About – Don’t Marry Career Women


Guys: A word of advice. Marry pretty women or ugly ones. Short ones or tall ones. Blondes or brunettes. Just, whatever you do, don’t marry a woman with a career.

Why? Because if many social scientists are to be believed, you run a higher risk of having a rocky marriage. While everyone knows that marriage can be stressful, recent studies have found professional women are more likely to get divorced, more likely to cheat, less likely to have children, and, if they do have kids, they are more likely to be unhappy about it. A recent study in Social Forces, a research journal, found that women–even those with a “feminist” outlook–are happier when their husband is the primary breadwinner.

Not a happy conclusion, especially given that many men, particularly successful men, are attracted to women with similar goals and aspirations. And why not? After all, your typical career girl is well-educated, ambitious, informed and engaged. All seemingly good things, right? Sure…at least until you get married. Then, to put it bluntly, the more successful she is the more likely she is to grow dissatisfied with you. Sound familiar?

Many factors contribute to a stable marriage, including the marital status of your spouse’s parents (folks with divorced parents are significantly more likely to get divorced themselves), age at first marriage, race, religious beliefs and socio-economic status. And, of course, many working women are indeed happily and fruitfully married–it’s just that they are less likely to be so than non-working women. And that, statistically speaking, is the rub.

To be clear, we’re not talking about a high-school dropout minding a cash register. For our purposes, a “career girl” has a university-level (or higher) education, works more than 35 hours a week outside the home and makes more than $30,000 a year.

If a host of studies are to be believed, marrying these women is asking for trouble. If they quit their jobs and stay home with the kids, they will be unhappy ( Journal of Marriage and Family, 2003). They will be unhappy if they make more money than you do ( Social Forces, 2006). You will be unhappy if they make more money than you do ( Journal of Marriage and Family, 2001). You will be more likely to fall ill ( American Journal of Sociology). Even your house will be dirtier ( Institute for Social Research).

Why? Well, despite the fact that the link between work, women and divorce rates is complex and controversial, much of the reasoning is based on a lot of economic theory and a bit of common sense. In classic economics, a marriage is, at least in part, an exercise in labor specialization. Traditionally men have tended to do “market” or paid work outside the home and women have tended to do “non-market” or household work, including raising children. All of the work must get done by somebody, and this pairing, regardless of who is in the home and who is outside the home, accomplishes that goal. Nobel laureate Gary S. Becker argued that when the labor specialization in a marriage decreases–if, for example, both spouses have careers–the overall value of the marriage is lower for both partners because less of the total needed work is getting done, making life harder for both partners and divorce more likely. And, indeed, empirical studies have concluded just that.

In 2004, John H. Johnson examined data from the Survey of Income and Program Participation and concluded that gender has a significant influence on the relationship between work hours and increases in the probability of divorce. Women’s work hours consistently increase divorce, whereas increases in men’s work hours often have no statistical effect. “I also find that the incidence in divorce is far higher in couples where both spouses are working than in couples where only one spouse is employed,” Johnson says. A few other studies, which have focused on employment (as opposed to working hours) have concluded that working outside the home actually increases marital stability, at least when the marriage is a happy one. But even in these studies, wives’ employment does correlate positively to divorce rates, when the marriage is of “low marital quality.”

The other reason a career can hurt a marriage will be obvious to anyone who has seen their mate run off with a co-worker: When your spouse works outside the home, chances increase they’ll meet someone they like more than you. “The work environment provides a host of potential partners,” researcher Adrian J. Blow reported in the Journal of Marital and Family Therapy, “and individuals frequently find themselves spending a great deal of time with these individuals.”

There’s more: According to a wide-ranging review of the published literature, highly educated people are more likely to have had extra-marital sex (those with graduate degrees are 1.75 more likely to have cheated than those with high school diplomas.) Additionally, individuals who earn more than $30,000 a year are more likely to cheat.

And if the cheating leads to divorce, you’re really in trouble. Divorce has been positively correlated with higher rates of alcoholism, clinical depression and suicide. Other studies have associated divorce with increased rates of cancer, stroke, and sexually-transmitted disease. Plus divorce is financially devastating. According to one recent study on “Marriage and Divorce’s Impact on Wealth,” published in The Journal of Sociology, divorced people see their overall net worth drop an average of 77%.

So why not just stay single? Because, academically speaking, a solid marriage has a host of benefits beyond just individual “happiness.” There are broader social and health implications as well. According to a 2004 paper entitled “What Do Social Scientists Know About the Benefits of Marriage?” marriage is positively associated with “better outcomes for children under most circumstances,” higher earnings for adult men, and “being married and being in a satisfying marriage are positively associated with health and negatively associated with mortality.” In other words, a good marriage is associated with a higher income, a longer, healthier life and better-adjusted kids.

A word of caution, though: As with any social scientific study, it’s important not to confuse correlation with causation. In other words, just because married folks are healthier than single people, it doesn’t mean that marriage is causing the health gains. It could just be that healthier people are more likely to be married.

1. You are less likely to get married to her.

So say Lee A. Lillard and Linda J. Waite of the University of Michigan’s Michigan Retirement Research Center. In a paper, “Marriage, Divorce and the Work and Earnings Careers of Spouses”, published in April, 2000, they found that for white women, higher earnings, more hours of employment and higher wages while single all reduce the chances of marriage. “This suggests that (1) success in the labor market makes it harder for women to make a marital match, (2) women with relatively high wages and earnings search less intensively for a match, or (3) successful women have higher standards for an acceptable match than women who work less and earn less.” Some research suggests the opposite is true for black women.

Source: “Marriage, Divorce and the Work and Earnings Careers of Spouses,” Lee A. Lillard, Linda J. Waite, University of Michigan, Michigan Retirement Research Center, Working Papers, April, 2000.

2. If you do marry, you are more likely to get divorced.

In 2004, John H. Johnson examined data from the Survey of Income and Program Participation and concluded that gender has a significant influence on the relationship between work hours and increases in the probability of divorce. Women’s work hours consistently increase divorce, whereas increases in men’s work hours often have no statistical effect. “I also find that the incidence in divorce is far higher in couples where both spouses are working than in couples where only one spouse is employed,” Johnson said. A few other studies, which have focused on employment (as opposed to working hours) have concluded that working outside the home actually increases marital stability, at least when the marriage is a happy one. But even in these studies, wives’ employment does correlate positively to divorce rates, when the marriage is of “low marital quality.”

Sources: “A Treatise On The Family,” Gary S. Becker, Harvard University Press, 1981; “Do Long Work Hours Contribute To Divorce?” John H. Johnson, Topics in Economic Analysis and Policy, 2004; “Wives’ Employment and Spouses’ Marital Happiness,” Robert Schoen, Stacy J. Rogers, Paul R. Amato, Journal of Family Issues, April 2006.

3. She is more likely to cheat on you.

According to a wide-ranging review of the published literature, highly educated people are more likely to have had extra-marital sex (those with graduate degrees are 1.75 more likely to have cheated than those with high school diplomas.) One April, 2005 study, by Adrian J. Blow for the Journal of Marital and Family Therapy summed it up: “If a woman has more education than her partner, she is more likely to have a sexual relationship outside of her primary relationship; if her husband has more education, she is less likely to engage in infidelity.” Additionally individuals who earn more than $30,000 a year are more likely to cheat. “In a more general sense, it appears that employment has significantly influenced infidelity over the years,” Blow said. “The work environment provides a host of potential partners, and individuals frequently find themselves spending a great deal of time with these individuals.”

Source: “Infidelity in Committed Relationships II: A Substantive Review,” Adrian J. Blow, Journal of Marital and Family Therapy, April 2005.

4. You are much less likely to have kids.

According to the National Marriage Project, the incidence of childlessness is growing across the socioeconomic scale. In 2004, 20% of women over 40 remained childless. Thirty years ago that figure was 10%. But the problem–and it is a problem because the vast majority of women desire children–is much more extreme for career women. According to Sylvia Ann Hewlett, an economist and the author of Creating a Life: Professional Women and the Quest for Children, only 51% of ultra-achieving women (those earning more than $100,000 a year) have had children by age 40. Among comparable men, the figure was 81%. A third of less successful working women (earning either $55,000 or $65,000) were also childless at age 40.

Sources: The State of Our Unions 2006: Life Without Children, The National Marriage Project, July 2006. Creating a Life: Professional Women and the Quest for Children, Sylvia Ann Hewlett, Miramax Books, 2002.

5. If you do have kids, your wife is more likely to be unhappy.

A 2003 study published in the Journal of Marriage and Family concluded that wealthier couples with children suffer a drop in marital satisfaction three times as great as their less affluent peers. One of the study’s co-authors publicly speculated that the reason is that wealthier women are used to “a professional life, a fun, active, entertaining life.”

Sources: “Parenthood and Martial Satisfaction: A Meta-Analytic Review,” Jean M. Twenge, W. Keith Campbell, and Craig A. Foster, Journal of Marriage and Family, 2003; “Money doesn’t mean happy parenting,” USA Today, July 21, 2003.

6. Your house will be dirtier.

In 2005, two University of Michigan scientists concluded that if your wife has a job earning more than $15 an hour (roughly $30,000 a year), she will do 1.9 hours less housework a week. Of course, this can be solved if the husband picks up a broom.

Source: “Data Quality of Housework Hours in the Panel Study of Income Dynamics: Who Really Does The Dishes?”, Alexandra C. Achen and Frank P. Stafford, Institute for Social Research, University of Michigan, September 2005.

7. You’ll be unhappy if she makes more than you.

You aren’t going to like it if she makes more than you do: “Married men’s well-being is significantly lower when married women’s proportional contributions to the total family income are increased.”

Source: “Changes in Wives’ Income: Effects on Marital Happiness, Psychological Well-Being, and the Risk of Divorce,” Stacy J. Rogers, Danelle D. DeBoer, Journal of Marriage and Family, May 2001

8. She will be unhappy if she makes more than you.

According to the authors of a controversial 2006 study: “American wives, even wives who hold more feminist views about working women and the division of household tasks, are typically happier when their husband earns 68% or more of the household income.” Reason? “Husbands who are successful breadwinners probably give their wives the opportunity to make more choices about work and family–e.g., working part-time, staying home, or pursuing a meaningful but not particularly remunerative job.”

Sources: What’s Love Got To Do With It? W. Bradford Wilcox, Steven L. Nock, Social Forces, March, 2006; http://www.happiestwives.org.

9. You are more likely to fall ill.

A 2001 study found that having a wife who works less than 40 hours a week has no impact on your health, but having a wife who works more than 40 hours a week has “substantial, statistically significant, negative effects on changes in her husband’s health over that time span.” The author of another study summarizes that “wives working longer hours not do not have adequate time to monitor their husband’s health and healthy behavior, to manage their husband’s emotional well-being or buffer his workplace stress.”

Sources: “It’s About Time and Gender: Spousal Employment and Health,” Ross M. Stolzenberg, American Journal of Sociology, July, 2001; “Marriage, Divorce and the Work and Earnings Careers of Spouses,” Lee A. Lillard, Linda J. Waite, University of Michigan, Michigan Retirement Research Center, Working Papers, April, 2000.

1,274 comments so far

  1. Lisa on

    Any woman who puts her needs before her partner’s suffers abuse because she’s supposed to put her partner’s needs first while hers go second.

    • Dave on

      Lisa: So a woman must put all her needs before his or else it is guaranteed, she will A) suffer “abuse”? (this is not accurate w.r.t. real life scenarios) and, she does this B) “because she is suppose to put his need ahead of hers”? This is another absolute statement with no relative flexibility for many relationships that are not 100% vs 0%. Give and take is the rule rather than the exception. And may ask, who said and where is it written “because she is suppose to put his need ahead of hers”? I have some commentary accuracy to share with not only you but others herein. I’ve had civil conversations with tens of thousands of ladies for years and without any exaggeration, when talking to the vast majority of women on this Blog’s topic 2 things occur: 1) they would take this Blog’s statistics based on research or general trends and immediately zero in on their own personal relationship therefore completely ignoring the statistical evidence which are factual;, 2) in stating their inaccuracies they skirt the issues related to an entire population, which equates looking at the tree being themselves while ignoring even defying the forest. I believe that many of the females practising this inaccuracy are doing this for emotional reasons that you say males are doing such as, self-serving. When this happened to me during discussions and debating facts became futile, they would not give up but I did realizing they would never change their “feelings” that focused on disliking ALL men. The way I communicate with women would often keep them talking because I try not to be subject but objectively looking at Causes and Effects followed by obvious Solutions. Antagonizing someone when the problem is a GRAVE as the battle of the genders that is in its 5th decade and getting worse, is highly unwise for future generations of innocent children who have no Choice being born into such a culture. Specifically, what irks many fathers ruining their lives Lisa, is how so many mothers plus bias courts choose for the children the percentage of time spent with the Child’s parents. I’ll be blunt in fairly saying, this decision making is totally Immoral, cruel, and many authorities now say it should be Criminalized.

      As for the opening comments of this Article based on researched stats, we are ALL adults, and so why is it that many people’s comments herein completed ignore the opening Itemized research? Should we not take this research and do something about it IF “Equality” is to stop being the farce – fraud it is when it comes to raising our children Equally? Younger males I speak with more and more don’t want marriage or children because they are scared of losing so much especially after a child is born. This is a catastrophe I never thought could happen in our culture while growing up and NEVER hearing or seeing couples divorce. And all my friends had BOTH parents under one roof with an average of 4 children too. I never saw unhappy parents too even though their mothers were domesticated wives and mothers with proud husbands both having “Identity”.

      • Lisa on

        The writer of this entry thinks that women shouldn’t be self-serving. He thinks women should put his needs before theirs.

        • Dave on

          Lisa: I did not say what you have written above so again as a reminder, you are using “absolutes” meaning > being black or white with issues. And, for you to say “women should serve (his = my) needs”; this is saying I believe every woman I come in contact with whether a stranger, acquaintance, friend, relative, correspondent, etc. I expect them all to serve me hence agree or even obey me. Please try better to respond within this Forum analytically by actually reading what a person has written rather than I guess, merely browsing and then only pick out what you feel serves your prior purpose or, in this case, make things up …. otherwise, you can’t be taken seriously which is unfortunate. I am guessing that you have been hurt by a man or men. Just to share from a vast experience, often when this happens to your gender (and NOT 100% of the time ok?), they tend to Singularize their situation with such emotional bitterness and never really letting go or moreover wanting to SOLVE the problem but instead, try and recruit their entire gender to “feel” they are ALL discriminated against, victimized, etc. If you pay more attention to the Article written at the outset, plus multitudes of other online articles very similarly backed up with stats, and even communicate (as I have a ton) with citizens in the outside world of BOTH genders + walks-of-life, you will find the person who started this forum is sighting statistics that have been building up for decades in destroying the nuclear biological Family. So your obvious attempt through the sentence you typed above, is, to bring or keep onboard as many women possible which is an exhausted ploy to fuel the continuous of gender fighting/ bashing that in turn is gradually wiping out marriage & destroying our children. Also what is happening more and more Lisa, is an acceleration of “Infighting” within your own gender because, a growing number of ladies in their 30s and especially 20s are exhausted with the one-sidedness of Women’s Liberations’ needs. As they look over-top of many Baby Boomer & X-generation ladies to the elderly ladies of WW2 dying off, they see stable contentment therein therefore wanting a piece of that dying generation. Today’s response is not shooting back at you BTW (only sharing), because illogical non-factual confrontation I am adverse to. I will always pray for Family Unity’s return. Actually, I wish all church denominations would collectively come together even with other religions too,{since we are a diverse continent}, and speak out as a massive cry on major TV & Radio networks rather than in fragments online. One can hold their breath til the cows come home if they expect Government Institutions to improve largely what they created. Thanks for taking time to read this.

          • Eva on

            According to statistics I should be dead. Bah statistics. (This is very fun to me -debate- by the way).

            Anyway, you seem concerned quite a bit with American marriages. Is not your own marriage the only one that really matters? Or are you worried your beautiful ideal woman no longer exists? If that’s the case, whose fault is that? Thank you.

            • Dave on

              Lo…I’ve been on a sabbatical only to come back to people like you and Cat loving “debate”? I don’t unless issues are resolved rather than shooting the messenger rather than resolving the message using Empirical Evidence from history therefore nature’s laws and our creator as to how we should be living. As Time Passes By, western culture has gotten further away from how we were designed to live within a natural environment and, we should collectively care about this for our children’s future. For Career women who haven’t a child or perhaps not a man but married to their Careers, one cannot tell them anything for they justify what they want and got {money and status} NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE ELSE tries to suggest or teach to them. They are impossible arrogant women. Off to bed for a good night sleep. If you are not a lawyer, why not do another degree and consider becoming one…”Cat” would make a wonderful Prosecutor !

              • Patriot on

                Dave, we know a prosecutor must present facts and evidence at the hearing to even have a chance at winning.. cat apparently has a PhD but is still nowhere near she would like to be, lol
                Really man, who wants to waste time even eyeballing these impossible ones that you mention in reality? I sure don’t. Not to mention they are fucking ugly. Easy sluts are better than them in all respects.

            • Greg on

              Statistics gather information and put it together, not tell the future or determine fate.

        • Dave on

          LOL … oh yeah Lisa ALL women should turn to me like I’m Mecca lol. I’ll speak in basic language you will understand; a man for one woman or vice versa when matched are suppose to put the “better half” before themselves to become one. It is part of committing as in vows and works VERY effectively since the more you give the more you get rather than, I am in this for what I can get = narcissist and feminists are amongst the worst kind. Bed time !

          • Lisa on

            You’re quite a bitch. What happens when you men end up injured, killed, or unemployed? How will a woman help herself? Women are adults and have every right to work and make their own cash to support themselves fully.

            • Patriot on

              Your ‘man’ would definitely end up ‘injured, killed, or unemployed’. And so it is imperative that you work to survive. Also, it would be pragmatic to cheat on him today itself, find another mole to sponge off, considering your ‘prophecy’ would be fulfilled.

      • WoodchuckRN on

        See my end comment posted same date as this one. When/ where were you born that you NEVER saw divorce, I’m 43 & the rates have remained pretty steady on my lifetime.

        Also, why do you believe there’s a gender “war” and that it’s getting “worse” all the time? I actually perceive a lot of personal bias in that observation – you know, trees/forrest-wise.

    • Kindra on

      No no – you have a point. We just have to make sure we say the same for men. Women need to put their husband’s needs first, and husbands need to put their wives needs first. That’s a recipe for a happy marriage and a happy society.

      • Lisa on

        The person who wrote that article believes women should put their husband’s needs first only.

        • Anonymous on

          cambada de feminista filha da puta

  2. Dave on

    CAT, you said (paraphrasing) that you probably shouldn’t be spending as much time as you have already on this site and no wonder; there are few women here which suits your purpose.

    KIM, you haven’t responded to my polite request for offering suggestions which also, suits your purpose.

    LISA you too actually, as a trio … hmm, after you likely reflected on what is logical at the outset of this Blog yet written by OH NO a MAN? you cannot deflect his researched STATS while your emotions dislike his “title” “don’t marry a Career Woman”. You are not deceiving or manipulating anyone but yourselves BTW.

    Well, as much as that title may seem like a “stretchhhhh” , Career women (and I will say it) should NOT have children unless they are willing to sacrifice their Careers for at least a FEW years (oh isn’t that a SIN being so bored looking after something that came out of your precious womb),,, regardless of those prioritized Careers however, this will never happen and so CAT …

    … men on this blog are ALSO wasting their time sharing with one another because, BECAUSE (as you and all Career women know) the real Power of key Decisions are in your genders’ hands. Consequently, I am “unsubscribing” since this is a waste of my time as a “guy” “jerk” “aggression” who not only believes but knows that those “ancient” times back in the 60s and before this since the dawn of time, were more natural and thus NORMAL whereas today with your gender controlling things more and more in WESTERN culture and it’s declining everything … like, women decide whether they want a child or not and if their man does not toe the line IF a child is born, he’s out the door and IN comes a step Daddy. When families are destroyed, the people causing this will also be so don’t deceive yourselves into “LOL”, or “Ha Ha” or “whatever” into thinking you are above what created you, which gies for men too ! We did not create ourselves so WAKE UP B4 it’s too late after you pass on and meet face to face with your so called “spirituality”, “agnostic” or “atheism”. Everyone when faced with death says, “God know” and sometimes “I don’t want to die” so hmm. I know what selfless LOVE is because I’ve practising it for years farrrrr beyond the materialistic $$$ of the “Independent” “My Career” minded women that other women not like them and we “low life men” are exhausted with. Bye bye.

    • Patriot on

      You’re right.
      Pussy up for sale for $0 – but will only fuck whoever rages my hormones.
      This is the sad reality nowadays. Even worse than being a prostitute, to me.
      Generally cited reason will be: ‘I’m in control of my own sexuality’.
      When confronted, the general rebuttal will be: ‘Fuck off, creep.’ and/or ‘I don’t give a fuck about what you have to say, ok?’
      Ah lady I know very well that you give a fuck, you’re just interested in consensual sex with an equivalent shithead to lighten your guilt.

      You’re duping no one but yourself.

      • Lisa on

        Dave is a bitch like some other guys here.

      • WoodchuckRN on

        Huh? What’s wrong with consensual sex in any context?

        • Patriot on

          any context xD
          Nothing wrong, really. Nothing wrong. Enjoy your sex life.

    • Cat on

      I am actually agnostic/spiritual/almost atheist LOL. I believe that it were the humans who create the God… sorta…. well… sociologically by creating legends and myths and spiritually – I believe that the combined spirit of all the alive creatures forms the God and the parts of the God incarnates in the alive material forms and creates through it. Doesn’t matter there is too less time to talk about it.
      Anyway, I understand some of your concerns. Yes, the world nowadays is more suits me and of cause I will defend it. It is in my interests and it is in the interests of some men as well. My husband like it this way too. Basically what I need is equal opportunities for any gender. I don’t really need to oppress men. In California in the case of divorce usually custody is 50/50, the property that was gained during the marriage is also divided 50/50, if a husband was a stay at home dad he can get an alimony here. There are several cases were a husband got alimony after divorce. Usually the more liberal is the society the more it willing to consider genders really equally. The more it conservative the more it has tendency to see a women as a victim and a man as a big bad wolf. This perception effects the decision during the divorce a lot in favor of the woman of cause.
      So you need to decide what do you want – equal opportunity or the old way inequity. If equal opportunity I totally support it and we are on the way. There are still problems, but we are moving toward the solution. If you are for the old gender inequity then … I am not your supporter LOL, because it is against my interests.

  3. JUSTICE on

    The research was well done,lets call a spade a spade not a big spoon, these are facts unless someone wants to pretend.80% of working mothers have boyfriend you dont need to catch to prove it might only give stroke.What keeps us together is what we dont know about each other

  4. Natasha Alena on

    Why is it the woman who needs to stay home? If she has a good job which brings a nice paycheck home men can become stay at home dads, but most men wouldn’t like that would they? Oh, double standards. We don’t live in the 1950s anymore and it’s very important to stay independent (considering the high divorce rate nowadays).
    Furthermore in this day and age it is better if both have jobs and share the responsibility. Honestly, most men I know don’t like dependent women.

    • David on

      “Why is it the woman who needs to stay home?”
      Why is it the woman who wears make-up? Why is it the man who has to make the 1st move? Why is it the woman who has to take the pill and stops her body from producing eggs? The list could go on… you’re right 1950s is over, we are now in “Postmodernism” – a world where everything is questionable and can be deconstructed!
      And why would it be wrong for a man to marry a ‘stay-at-home’ mom if that’s his thing and he can afford to do it and she has no problem with it? What double standards? There’s no double standards – you’re just not the woman for that man! Like you put it “considering the high rate of divorce” you should stay independent and so should us men and hence the title of this webpage!

      • Patriot on

        Don’t bother commenting to this. It’s almost certain from the writing style that this is the same person masquerading under different names(cat) and trying her best to ‘engage the enemy’ through eternity, burn him out in the process, hence weaken his resolve and force him to submit.
        Or maybe all these ‘winners’ are like this. Lol.

        • Cat on

          You are paranoid. No I write only using name Cat. No other names. And you really shitty in recognizing different writing styles. LOL

          • Patriot on

            Doesn’t matter.

      • Cat on

        Yes it’s ok to marry a stay at home mom if she is ok with it. It is also ok to marry stay at home dad. It is also normal that the stay at home one gets alimony. At least here in California a man also can get alimony after divorce. And it is ok for a man to wear make-up. It is Ok for a woman to make a first move. Actually it is already goes more this way – a woman usually make a first move nowadays. And contraceptives equally exist for men and women.

  5. JUSTICE on

    If you are unable to provide for your wife then find her a job and count yourself as castrated being. if you cant provide for the family as a man where is your pride as the head of the house. You are encouraging immorality in your home if you let your wife work. RISE UP AS A MAN

    • Anonymous on

      This is 2014. Women work. Take that fundamentalist nonsense and stick it where the sun don’t shine. Better yet, go find some quiverfull/fundamentalist female, because mos twomen aren’t interested in your antiquated rant.

  6. Daniel on

    This is incredibly demeaning. I have a wife, and yes, she is the breadwinner as she is a lawyer and I’m a hair stylist. But we are a MODERN family. Male and female roles today are different from 60 years ago. Be more opened minded people!

    • Patriot on

      Of course! Hats off to you, General! Now go out there and live your life! Fuck and get fucked over! Just do a little thing for me will ya? When you change your underwear next time, would you just check to make sure you have a pussy down there?
      Live it, love it!

    • Eva on

      Daniel I know lots of men who have loving wives that are lawyers, nurses and one spouse that is in med school to be a surgeon. Her husband is a military doctor and he brags all the time about his wife. These men respect their girls and love the freedom the extra income provides. The men who hate working women just see them as competition and taking resources away from them, just like they hate successful blacks and hispanics. I see these red neck types now and then (few and far between) but they are insignificant and struggling to survive. I giv them a break. It’s a tough economy and who wouldn’t feel less of a (white) man when professional career focused minorities and women are on the rise. If being a hair dresser is your passion, you will be happy, successful in that field, and that is a success. IMO, you can have your cake and ice cream too (good money) and that’s enough to attract haters and envy.

      • Dave on

        Yet Eva, IF women wish secretly shhhh to be a housewife don’t you dare say, “if that’s what she wants” because they started getting shot down in the 1970s by the worst counterculture that ever cancered (new word) our natural world which BTW God did create and cannot be pleased with this Movement. Men have not changed but certain types of females Careerists due to Feminism have drastically changed themselves and forced normal natural women and most men to follow their ideology. Traditionalists and Modernists should not live in the same geographical area and this is not a racist or sexist statement because most immigrants non-white want nothing to do with this certain type white women’s ideology NOR due many white women secretly. Policies endorsed by Career women have forced these issues on these groups. IF one speaks to the dying off WW2 generation of women and men that are left, they view these women as out of this world odd-balls! Having met over a million ppl and conversed on this topic I have their pulse.

        • WoodchuckRN on

          What irrational confirmation bias there, Dave. You’ve met a million people who all confirm what you think? Now, gee I wonder why academics don’t consider that a reliable means of scientific investigation….

          • Patriot on

            Have you done any kind of introspection (scientific investigation in your sense) before you declared yourself a feminist and started treading on this path? Truth, in any area, has a bad reputation in this era given the fact that ‘highly educated’ people like you are responsible for analysing, assembling the statistics and then presenting it before the public.

            • WoodchuckRN on

              And yet the vast majority of colleagues generating the same kind of research I do are…men.

              Sure, everyone has personal biases, especially in psychological research. But we’re pretty rigorously trained throughout a 7-year doctoral & 2/year post-doc program on identifying outs & setting them aside, following the data, and interpreting the data as objectively & rationally as possible. Uncertainty about conclusions or conflicting interpretations become the basis more refined hypothesizing & research, in a giant dialectical process toward discovery. Doctoral candidates simply wouldn’t survive these programs’ rigorous training & hiring standards without the ability to set aside their biases. Our research is anonymously peer-reviewed by 3-5 colleagues in the field prior to publication, so there’s not much room for personal bias there, either.

              My feminism is really incidental to my research, which focuses on something called heuristics – a fancy term for the conscious & subconscious ways we evaluate & execute quick judgments about our environment, and it’s influences. To me, feminism is about people’s right to self-determine equally within the similar contexts. That’s an ethical – not a scientific – claim, meaning it has no place in the lab. Data’s data, and when academic peers disagree on its interpretation, we develop better tests & measurements of it.

              I mean, you can go the philosophical route of critiquing scientific method & epistemology in general, but that’s not science, either, just more opinion.

      • Lisa on

        And these White men hate it when minority men talk to their women, White wives or girlfriends. They think minority men have the spell to steal their women away and knock them up with mixed kids that aren’t theirs, which is why they hate minority men being more successful than they are, including Blacks and Latinos. They think these men will steal their women from them, especially the handsome Latinos who age slower and look better longer than they are. Hey, minority men are the same about White men with their women too. Men are far more racist towards each other than women are.

        • Patriot on

          This is exactly the kind of attitude why no one will EVER think of you as marriage material. And even if you get some massively drunk gigolo to marry you, he’s no doubt going to have second thoughts about you, just like what you said.

          • WoodchuckRN on

            Wha??? So you speak for all men now? None of the ones I have or would date, and I dated a lot before marriage.

            I can only imagine you’ll respond that any woman who gets many dates is a “whore,” while those who get fewer are “shrews” and “nags” – a no-win situation for women everywhere!

            Well, I guess there’s also “The Virgin” for them to find – the only acceptable alternative within their emotionally-soaked paradigm. Yet whatever man’s moral code says it’s okay for guys to have casual sex, but not women, the only ethical solution is for such guys to start casually banging each other until their Virgin arrives. Yeah, I wanna read THAT fairy tale!!!

            • Patriot on

              ‘Yet whatever man’s moral code says it’s okay for guys to have casual sex, but not women..’
              Man’s moral code does not say this bitch. Or else you’d have no asshole ever date you.
              Also, why are you so keen on providing solutions for men over here? It’s not like they’re paying you or sum. The author of this article has proposed his conclusion as one solution. Many men agree with it. Does that upset you?

              P.S. – A virgin deserves a virgin. A whore, well you guessed it. That’s exactly how your husband treats you.

              • WoodchuckRN on

                Wow….bitch, whore…the fact that you get so emotionally worked up in response to a woman who issues thoughtful, educated, and rational critique of the OP

                • Patriot on

                  Do yourself a favor and use this time cajole your husband some more. We men are not so bad. He’ll probably have some pity on your thoroughly dicked womb and shoot his load inside.

    • Dave on

      Open minded? Daniel don’t be offended by your money making difference professionally however, don’t expect all people to accept the unusual difference between yourself and wife in this area. If I were in your shoes I wouldn’t.

      • WoodchuckRN on

        And don’t expect others to accept your standards, either (It goes both ways, you know). And all this stay-at-home-mom ostracization you claim is rampant among feminists & career women is just another of your bogeymen. Pockets may exist, but they’re a dying breed. Third wave feminism – which Gen X women pioneered – is about choice. Any choice. Your choice. Mine. I agree you should never marry a career woman. And I respect your right to admonish others from doing the same. Just as I have the right to my opinion that anyone who’d follow your advice for your reasons is a fool.

  7. Eva on

    Ladies– commenting on this message board is like sharing beliefs on racial harmony on a KKK message board. I work in the military with men who I respect and who respect me. I am often admired by my peers and men, and there is not this divide though I am a professional career woman. Marriage is tuff when your man can’t find work, has not found his nitch or is stuck in a job he hates. You are rising in your job and are admired and looked up to, given much authority, and he deals with having others at his job lord over him and treat him like crap. I see all kinds of marriages. Most our female Noncommissioned officers are married to other NCOs or to an officer/warrent officer. Rarely is that reversed. Most commissioned female officers are single or married to another officer. I am in the minority. My husband is a civilian. He gets depressed often since he is out of work and has not found his career nitch. It is hard sometimes but I love him, and he knows I need him. He loves me too I know this, but he must find his way, and I give him the space he needs sometimes and encouragement. But yes,a ssuccessful career woman will make your average blue collar guy insecure and sadly, envious. Rare is the man who’ll stand by his career girl and help hold her together when he is unable to find work. My husband is a rarety. I suppose I’ll be called a b-word and feminist, but I knew that and am posting at my own risk. God help each and everyone find the right mate perfect for him, rather she be traditional or she be a money maker -there must be love and mutual respect.

    • Anonymous on

      tl;dr..

    • Lisa on

      The reason why marriage is tough for men without jobs or with jobs that have less pay is because men with steady jobs and education will snatch women away from them real easily.

      • Patriot on

        which includes trailer trash with big dreams like you

    • Brigitte on

      “He gets depressed often since he is out of work and has not found his career nitch. It is hard sometimes but I love him, and he knows I need him. He loves me too I know this, but he must find his way, and I give him the space he needs sometimes and encouragement. But yes,a ssuccessful career woman will make your average blue collar guy insecure and sadly, envious”… You seem to offer further proof of # 7 :)

    • WoodchuckRN on

      I agree. And the following comment is in response to I believe “Patriots” criticism of the research I produce as probably biased (I guess…was kinda difficult following his logical gist):

      And yet the vast majority of colleagues generating the same kind of research I do are…men.

      Sure, everyone has personal biases, especially in psychological research. But we’re pretty rigorously trained throughout a 7-year doctoral & 2/year post-doc program on identifying outs & setting them aside, following the data, and interpreting the data as objectively & rationally as possible. Uncertainty about conclusions or conflicting interpretations become the basis more refined hypothesizing & research, in a giant dialectical process toward discovery. Doctoral candidates simply wouldn’t survive these programs’ rigorous training & hiring standards without the ability to set aside their biases. Our research is anonymously peer-reviewed by 3-5 colleagues in the field prior to publication, so there’s not much room for personal bias there, either.

      My feminism is really incidental to my research, which focuses on something called heuristics – a fancy term for the conscious & subconscious ways we evaluate & execute quick judgments about our environment, and it’s influences. To me, feminism is about people’s right to self-determine equally within the similar contexts. That’s an ethical – not a scientific – claim, meaning it has no place in the lab. Data’s data, and when academic peers disagree on its interpretation, we develop better tests & measurements of it.

      I mean, you can go the philosophical route of critiquing scientific method & epistemology in general, but that’s not science, either, just more opinion.

      • WoodchuckRN on

        Its influences, not it’s (sorry, I’m grammar snob).

        • Patriot on

          “sorry, I’m grammar snob”
          xD you are one eternally confused pathetic snob.

          • WoodchuckRN on

            And you posses no critical rationale for any your convictions, because if you did, you’d be thicker-skinned when intellectually challenge by a woman and respond in kind with, not dissolve into a ball of frothy feelings & nerves & and spew ad hominems. You just sound like a cornered rabid animal lashing out. You are one wounded & angry individual. Some woman hurt you big-time. I genuinely wish you healing from that & peace.

  8. Jennifer Wainwright-Winther on

    This is the stupidest thing I have ever read. No career woman would want to waste her time on any man whose balls are so small he couldn’t find them with tweezers and a magnifying glass if she tried and the author of this post seems to fit that bill.

    • Anonymous on

      u mad?

      • Eva on

        Maybe she’s mad, who knows; but yeah, that’s how many of you guys appear, really insecure and self-emasculated by the presence of women that make more money than you –and in many cases more talented and creative than you. Emasculated to me means totally insignificant. Did you think being a white male, for example, equated to brilliance, creativity and success in this life? Maybe it did for some, but I guess you got short changed because those damn women and minorities took all your opertunities away. Did she take your manhood too, or did you really just leave it at home?

        • Patriot on

          I can tear each of your 8½ year old like argument to shreds. But you know what? I’m going to let you bask in the glory you think you’ve attained. If you’re even the least bit analytic you’ll come across the reality of your own self and how your modern society effectively short-changed you all this time, say 20 years from now.

          • WoodchuckRN on

            When in reference to a person’s qualities, we say “analytical.” “Analytic” is in reference to disciplinary processes like calculus & engineering.

            • Patriot on

              I really have no intention of employing you as my secretary. Thanks for the correction, though.

      • B. on

        You small? You must be if you agree with this nonsense

        • Patriot on

          You super loose? You must be if you’re trained to refute facts and forever hide under your cloud of ignorance. No one needs your smelly pussy here, fuck off

  9. Eva on

    Eva signing out, lol.

    • Royce on

      The advice given in this piece is broadly correct and the statistics are undeniable.
      If a woman wants to be career oriented I think that’s fine and provided she competes on an equal footing then that is clearly and obviously her right – but men should of course treat her as just another co-worker and compete against her in the same way one would a man if that is what is required in the job, however, the idea that you would get romantically involved with her is a really bad idea.

      I’m not saying it cannot work because there are examples of everything under the sun – but you are seriously decreasing the probabilities of having a good life and a successful relationship unless you are submissive and/or effeminate.

      Of course, we’re talking proper relationships here, to be crude if you just want a temporary f___ buddy that’s different again :-)

      • Cat on

        LOL What a wonderful simplification! Relations where one partner is submissive are not good. Actually real life is much more complicated.
        One of the example of long lasting relations where a wife is a career woman and not submissive would be a traditional family business. It was very common for traditional family and business that while husband is supervising the technical side of the business wife is doing book keeping, accounting. Successful couples used any opportunity that allowed woman to participate in the business. More opportunity society give to the women the more family uses it. I know families where a husband was a physicist and his wife was a chemist and he could ask her professional opinion on Chemistry and she asked his on Physics.
        In the same time romantic relations with co-workers indeed can cause lot of problems. I’ve seen how it could hurt women. I’ve seen that if a husband and a wife both working in the same area people start spreading rumors that the husband uses his influence to help her career. I personally tried to avoid romantic relations with co-workers, even short-term. 1) I didn’t want any rumors that I wasn’t treated fairly and 2) short term relations could back fire if I would like to end it and the guy doesn’t. My experience tells me that guys also often don’t take break ups easy. Girls as well sometimes don’t take break ups easy. It can complicate work a lot.
        Competition between spouses is ok if both have some good achievements that the other spouse admire. Actually it is very unhealthy when one of the spouses is constantly submissive and always have to admit the other spouse’s superiority. Usually couples that could be in the relations for a long time like something about each other and treat each other as professionals in some areas and sometimes could equally compete in some games like tennis or chess. I like to play tennis with my hubby, we are both not very good in it. But it is fun to play. He is stronger but I also have some tricks to make it almost equal. You know if I wouldn’t work hard to win he would be bored playing with me. I don’t try to win to show my superiority I just want the game to be entertaining for him as well. Table tennis is even more fun because we are even more equal there. I absolutely agree that he is superior as a musician and he is superior when he is riding dirt bikes. I am making more money and he never even tried to get into my professional area. But he encourages me to ride bikes and to play music with him.
        Maybe the worst situation is when both spouses are professionals in the exactly the same area and one is much better than another. In this situation the loser (gender doesn’t matter) could be so jealous that he will have to change the profession, or will have to work harder to be equal or the relations will fall apart. Although … It is basically same as between friends of the same gender. If they compete but they are equal, they would like to be together because they could share ideas and inspire each other. If one is too much better than another it could cause jealous feeling but it depends… Genius people also have friends so the spouses can still stay together even if one of them is genius lol.
        The problem is that people should learn to treat a spouse as a friend. That means you should compete equally even she is a woman and even you are romantically involve. Nothing could be more disrespectful than treating a wife or a girl that you are in love with as some sort of incapable creature.

        • Dave on

          Boy, something happened to you back where you grew up so maybe you should come to grips with it and attend to your husband OR have a child? You even have another male basher Laura involved below. Sooooo educated yet so arrogant.

          • Anonymous on

            Women aren’t broodmares or incubators. Maybe she doesn’t want a child? Have you ever thought of that? No, you haven’t. Figures….

      • Laura on

        Wow, are men really this stupid?

        • Dave on

          Your IQ must be at least 75 with that statement. Pathetic.

        • Anonymous on

          Yes, they are.

    • Dave on

      Another high IQ statement. So revealing “lol” even “Cat” at least has something to say though she can never be wrong. Career women here are proving this Article applies to their so called Educated arrogance hence marriage to them is a grave risk.

      • Anonymous on

        That’s OK, nobody wants to marry your low-wage, smelly ass. Hypergamy and all, ya know. You keep enjoying the welfare queens! Us educated women will just have to settle for the educated men. Life is hard :)

        • Patriot on

          Your education goes both ways. You claim to keep yo high wage ass clean and still no educated man has yet chosen to settle for yo ass yet. I guess your type of guy wants his paycheck(a little bigger handout) all to himself, just like you. He also reserves to fuck yo ass and then reject it for marriage.
          Life is hard. No surprise here.

        • WoodchuckRN on

          Great post! :-)

  10. Tainia Lami on

    This is a testimony that I will tell to every one to hear. I have been married four 4years and on the fifth year of my marriage, another woman had a spell to take my lover away from me and my husband left me and the kids and we have suffered for 2years until I met a post where this man prophet jakula have helped someone and I decided to give him a try to help me bring my lover back home and believe me I just send my picture to him and that of my husband and after 48hours as he have told me, I saw a car drove into the house and behold it was my husband and he have come to me and the kids and that is why I am happy to make every one of you in similar to met with this man and have your lover back to your self. His email:spirituallove@hotmail. com

    • Patriot on

      Are you saying that he came back because of the spell and not because he had anything to do with you..?
      And what if the other woman casts the spell yet again??

  11. In short, this article is indirectly asking women to aim lower for men to feel better about themselves.

    • Anonymous on

      Career scrubs can aim whatever they want, I don’t give a fuck…

    • Madeline on

      men hate us women in Toronto because men are losers who are jealous that Toronto women are more successful and independent.

      Toronto men are losers, I wouldn’t even let one near my rear end because Toronto men don’t even deserve to look at my butt because he is a rapist child molesting bum. I have a career and I already have 50% downpyment for a new home in Toronto. Men don’t save anything Toronto men are worthless.

      • Patriot on

        do yourself a favor and get murdered in that condo.
        such a nice place..

      • Blogger on

        Wow I’m good that I’m not living in Toronto or Orwell Canada. If this is the type of women who live there.

  12. Writer on

    This is probably one of the dumbest articles I’ve read in my entire life…. My faith in humanity just keeps on diminishing. You guys have obviously nothing useful to do with your lives other than bad mouth other people. Pathetic.

    • Anonymous on

      Good to know.

  13. Brian on

    This article is spot on. At some point we are all going to just have to give up on the notion that men and women are the same because its not true. Women respond differently to careers than men do. Why is it then, that women are so offended? It is because of the illusion that they are equal to men (equal mathematically speaking). Likewise, men are not equal to women. If a study reveals data, it is plausible that the data is true. The way that people respond to that data is the only real bias.

    If this data is accurate, which I chose to believe, then the opposite is likely true. Meaning that stay at home dads are probably not a good choice for career women. This is not an article targeting women. It is sound advice for men, by men. We don’t go to your Cosmo webpages and tell you how to council each other, do we? If you are a career woman, married and reading this; just be glad that someone cared enough to bring the issues to the table. What is left unsaid, will often never be heard…. And that is where the real marriage issues begin.

    • Cat on

      Look, I don’t go to “Cosmo” webpages as well. I don’t go to your pages usually, just accidentally run into and stated my opinion. Of cause it is up to you to marry somebody or do not marry. Nobody cares. I disagree with your statement that women respond differently. Actually there are no study to support it. There are study that shows that human brain is extremely flexible. The training especially in earlier years could shape it to give a certain responses. So it is not as much of an illusion that men and women are equal in most of areas. Men are statistically stronger physically though the tails of the Gaussian distributions have a sufficient cross over even here. Anyway it is up to you who you’d like to marry. Career women are quite happy and don’t really care. The only thing they care to be treated at work equally. We don’t need a special actions for us we just need to consider without the thoughts like “oh she is a woman she wouldn’t be as good as a man”.

      • Dave on

        I thought if I left this site for some time and came back, you (as a married woman Cat) would be happy enough in YOUR marriage to not have to come to this site a Argue. A happily married person would not appear in this site so how can anyone take you serious. Shaking my head as in pathetic.

        • Cat on

          Hey, I gave up already, long ago. Today I’ve ran into a site about how to calculate alimony. You know, men rights activists constantly were complaining about how women screw them on divorce. So I looked the law. Surprise, surprise, law is absolutely symmetric. If a wife makes more money she will pay alimony. I posted a calculator. The equal rights bothers me and I see here that many guys are actually still treat women not equally. Although I see already that people like you don’t take people like me serious anyway, you don’t even make a little effort to understand, that is why I gave up. Exactly as Eva said like talking to KKK about equal rights. But I though my link will be useful for you Could save you a few bucks on the consultation with lawyer.

          • Patriot on

            That calculator? It’s just a fun tool for ladies to use for approximating the minimum that they must get. Isn’t worth shit for a man. Read the huge disclaimer.
            I could also give you a calculator which will show you how many heartbeats you have left before your soul plunges into the dark abyss for eternity.
            Finally, I’m confident a guy like Dave certainly has enough brains not to marry a bitch like you so he’ll never need anything like this silly stuff that you bring forth as evidence to debate over.
            Enjoy your life fighting in vain for equal rights till you have no more strength left in your cat ass.

  14. Patriot on

    To everyone out here, instead of coming out here every time and banging your head on the wall:

    Be patient and view it in its entirety. And it’s needless to say, but the truth chooses it’s own persons.

  15. Sarah on

    Marry who your heart desires to .. But think about this … Are men turning into women .. Hmm ?

    • Dave on

      No they aren’t and, some say women have turned into men but No they have not either instead, many Career women have become cold hearted reptiles narcissists for sure. They put their desires ahead of all men and most children too. God LOL is out of their existence too for they have all the power.

      • Lisa on

        And if women stare at penises and butts and try to rape men, you think they should be raped back, do you?

  16. Anonymous on

    the writer is one fucked up son of a bitch who is insecure and is looking for a bimbo coz he can’t handle a nice normal lady. duhh grow a pair

    • Anonymous on

      You grow a pair of nice boobs and buns first – it’s the prime reason why guys overlook you and go for bimbos

  17. Laura on

    Many men are jealous and insecure by nature. That is why they are extremely competitive, so that they can prove how much better they are than whoever they are competing with. That is why they want to be so much better than us. BUT jealousy only comes from a feeling that the other person IS better, so they do everything in their power to prove differently. It’s almost childish. A man who doesn’t marry a career woman is simply jealous of her. It’s obvious. It’s a man who does not want a woman to succeed so that he can always be “above” her. The solution is to not date these types of men. These are the types that will cheat on you or beat you (or both) anyway because he will always want to demonstrate his power over you. A woman with a career or not, should stay away from these men and date the more secure type of man who is confident enough in himself to treat a woman properly and not feel threatened by her status and be supportive instead.

    • Lisa on

      It’s always better to cheat on a man to demonstrate your power over him.

      • Patriot on

        Could you dig up your family tree or societal history and tell me how the cheaters were publicly ‘rewarded’?
        Now, the government may have culled such a reward practice, but I can more than assure you that ‘interpersonal’ reward policies are common.

        Anyway, I could demonstrate my power over you but it would mean you never going to that suck ass job of yours again, if there’s even one. But I don’t really want to spoil your show, so I’ll just sit back and watch.

        • Lisa on

          Screw it, any woman can demonstrate power over you whether you like it or not.

          • Patriot on

            Compulsive liar, lol

    • Brigitte on

      “Many men are jealous and insecure by nature.” I think you are projecting; this is our sex you are describing and you know it perfectly well. “That is why they are extremely competitive [...]” this is true but to impress women not out of jealousy as you claim. “A man who doesn’t marry a career woman is simply jealous of her.” We still have freedom of association so a man can marry who he wants! “It’s a man who does not want a woman to succeed so that he can always be “above” her.” This is so stupid and childish. Yes a husband (any and all husbands want their wives to suffer and be miserable for ever and ever/ sarcasm. “The solution is to not date these types of men.” These types of men don’t want to date you in the first place, I think…. “These are the types that will cheat on you or beat you (or both) anyway because he will always want to demonstrate his power over you”. Aren’t men taught from a young age not to hit girls/women? One man said he thought it was really strange that adults needed to say that to him because it was so self-evident even from a young age. How many men have cheated on you? How many have hit you? How about all your girl firends? “A woman with a career or not, should stay away from these men and date the more secure type of man who is confident enough in himself to treat a woman properly and not feel threatened by her status and be supportive instead.” Men are not attracted to (women’s) status; you are projecting what attracts women to men.

      • Anonymous on

        Finally an honest woman..

      • Patriot on

        lol that is true but you gotta face the truth that the ones who’ve rated down this comment of yours are those who pride themselves in being called a ‘woman’.
        Probability ≈ 1.00

        • Brigitte on

          Patriot- I’m not sure about that. These type of women hate being, well, women. It is very frustrating; it’s like being attacked from all sides. I’m not a man. I cannot be more of a man than an actual man! Women such as these telling me that I have to act/do/live like a man are in reality saying that I am not good enough/ womanhood is not enough. To me that = misogyny!

          • Brigitte on

            I can’t express this accurately from thought to ‘paper’. Bummer!

            • Patriot on

              Hmm ok, I think I understand.

  18. Anonymous on

    Please tell me this article
    is not serious. You’re basically saying, only successful women will cause hardships in marriages..uhm that goes both ways? Ladies, focus on your careers first for the love of God. People that write articles like this are obviously sexist and need to go back to the 50’s. Such an embarrassment.

    • Anonymous on

      Do you work for the nsa

    • Madeline on

      Men are losers, they are jellous that we women in Toronto have better opportunities and we are rewarded fairly with 77% less pay..

      Toronto men are nothing but rappists. Because we have bigger butts, cleaner farts and cleaner buttholes we take care of our bodies and we eat better foods. ungrateful toronto men hate us for no reason other than jealously

      • Patriot on

        That’s is right, I is KNOW what profession you earn your pays from

        • Blogger on

          Patriot, are you thinking what I’m thinking? M*deline sounds like some Women Studies Sociology student who advertises her escort ad on the Backpages or Craiglist.

          See how I edited her name? This is to prevent any Canadian women from crying out cyberbullying Canada is a nation with messed up laws and infringing freedom of opinion.

          • Patriot on

            Lol!
            btw I’m reading up on many good guys lament how horrible living in Canada has become. Apparently the feminist movement(or whatever kind of lifestyle you want to call it) —
            Wait, my bad. That’s not a lifestyle, it’s a deathstyle.
            Ok so this seems to be at the peak in Canada? I read saddening tales of men who never deserved to receive such ‘treatment’. The best lamb goes to the slaughter first.. My heart goes out to them. On first glance Canadian girls seem so pretty and innocent to me…
            But that’s a big paradox, I know.. actually now I’ve gotten much more scared of beautiful girls. An evil person does not bear a certain mark on his face/body that I could recognize.. in fact I’ll give anything to not end up being married to a beautiful girl with rotten insides.. even if that means lowering expectations of physical attraction. Still haven’t met a genuine girl like that so that adds up a little to how fucked society really is.

  19. Madeline on

    Who wrote this article? A Muslim from Middle East?! Toronto men are no diffrent than Muslim men!

    I would stick to my career in teaching. I don’t need any man to dictate to me how I should live my life!

    Toronto men are ungrateful that we women in Toronto have jobs. I assume that most Toronto men are rapists because these losers have the audacity to stare at my cleavage and butt! The men should be locked up for attempting to rape me! Men are scum, losers, douchebags!

    • Patriot on

      I agree with you on all points. You should probably live alone.
      Butt you must prepare yourself for that old guy hungrily staring at your saggy tits and wrinkled azz at the retirement center.
      Everything will be alright.

      No?..
      Didn’t think so.

  20. vinodh on

    Hi,
    I agree with the fact that home will be dirtier if the lady works.
    regards
    vinodh

  21. vinodh on

    Hi,
    while I accept that divorce is more likely I doubt that career woman cheat.
    regards
    vinodh

    • Patriot on

      Haha you can’t be serious. You probably live in India so according to what the author is saying its 30k dollars = 17.5 lac rupees. Now redefine your filters and get back to me.
      Ok, now you will probably want to make statements about the difference in economies but I assure you that a super wannabe is more dangerous than someone who has been around it all. Even then, I’ll give you a whopping 42.9% discount. 10 lac rupees. Now check again.
      I’m sure you’ll find girls who treat family like trash, like they themselves came from another planet altogether. They can’t have a loving relationship with anyone for ever. They think that the corrupting western influence in all its forms is so cool and they’ve been washed away with it. Too far in most cases. Funny thing is they can’t even do that right because only a western bitch can. No one wants to marry them based solely on love and that’s why their photos are all over matrimonial websites. They do all their shit as they want and “ok now, I want to get married. I know that I earn much money so my parents are searching within my caste and also checking with their acquaintances. To be double sure I’ll upload my photo to site xxx or change my style in fb so the RIGHT guys would notice.”
      At last the only type of marriage they can have is an arranged marriage, which again is based purely upon greed from both sides. Elders in the family usually have pathetic attitudes(last 2-3 generations or so, I didn’t bother looking up earlier than that). The marriage negotiations make me want to throw up on their faces.
      All this at a price point of only 6-7 lac rupees minimum. Beat me, I challenge you. I wanted an Indian wife so I’ve done my research.

  22. Cat on

    There was a fella here who was talking about alimony. LOL here it is. An interesting info. Actually you can estimate how much a career woman will pay you after divorce.
    http://www.cadivorce.com/tools-resources/child-spousal-support-calculator/
    Somewhat like $2000 a month easy.
    So, please, stop crying, my dear men rights activists..

    • Patriot on

      You’ve gotta be stupid+naive.
      Fact #1: If you didn’t comprehend yet, men ‘cry’ during this scenario because they’re worth significantly more than the gold digger bitch who’s bent on extracting money from them.
      Fact #2: Not everyone’s as spineless and poor as your husband. You both chose each other because you KNEW you couldn’t get any better.
      Fact #3: Who in the blue hell told you that the laws are symmetric?? And in Cali, of all states? Hehe.
      You feminists only imagine this in your head, because you like to think you’re pro-equality. But when you actually initiate the divorce, there’s nothing you want more than the fattest wad of cash you can get per month.

      You put a man and woman in the same divorce situations and I guarantee you that the man would be relieved of much more money than the woman, in every case.
      There are countless men whose lives have been destroyed by divorces, there are tens of thousands who did and are still doing jail time for not being able to pay the ridiculously high alimony, after complete liquidation of their assets..
      I don’t see too many women going to jail(and staying there) over this.

      You’re living a lie.

      • Cat on

        LOL dude. How can a CAREER woman get any money from divorce if she is making much more money than her husband? The rule in Cali is 40% of highest income – 50% of lowest. Ok if her income is 140K (reasonable for a career woman) and his is 50K (reasonable for a average guy) she will have to pay (0.4*140K-0.5*50)/12= $2583 a month. Are we still talking about career women? Or if we are talking about gold diggers than they do make much less than their husbands and the husband will pay her in divorce. Look I don’t care who you or Dave would like to marry. That’s all up to you. But if you do worry about potential alimony than you’d be better to marry a woman with income bigger or equal yours. In this case there will be no alimony or you can get alimony from her. Child support is different story and here again you can screw a career woman better if you’d be a stay at home daddy. In this case you can argue that she never stayed with the kid and doesn’t have time because of her career and the kid is attached to daddy…. In the usual case with stay at home mom that will be her arguments.
        Well if a guy, especially in Cali, married a “nice family oriented” lady that wants be a housewife and raise kids he will be screwed in divorce. It is 50/50 of all assets even if she did nothing and he worked 24/7. It is alimony, because her income is zero and it is child support.
        I do believe it is quite controversial to put anybody to jail for not paying but I know they do it. Here you are right I think they justify it as they put to jail for the person didn’t follow the court order not for the debt that would be unconstitutional.
        Dude, you are right I can’t get any better than my husband I am madly in love with him and honestly I can’t fell in love with anyone else. I can’t imagine sex with other than him. And well.. I am actually an extremely good looking woman. So he is attracted to me as well. Anyway it is my personal life, nobody should care.
        It looks to me that you actually want a gold digger. You think that gold diggers are more attractive because somebody wants to pay for sex with them. Well in reality they could be attractive or could be just normal and take you by pretending to be the woman of your dreams – that innocent family oriented girl. Career woman could be very physically attractive women that are interested in some areas of science, art, business. One of the thing that I tried to explain you about sexuality that women are selective. The selection is most likely determined by biology. Woman selects a man that genetically perfect for her children. That is why between several men that are successful, good looking etc she choses one that is not obviously the best choice. If society put her in the position when she can’t care for her self and needs a man to do it her biological instincts are suppressed and she will exhibit a behavior that will give her best success in the society. That is why we have gold diggers. But the success of the gold digger is coming with a price. She never will be happy in her sexual life that is why she most likely will have a lover or simply never will be happy in her sexual life. The career woman can take care of herself, she doesn’t need a man to provide so she can let her biological instincts to chose her partner. That is why she have better sexual life with her husband. But sometimes people surprised by her choice. Oh well… Who cares.
        Ok, I feel like really have to leave. All this sounds like a broken record.
        P.S. I watched a video you posted. Well.. yea, most of the girls don’t really know what they want. If a girl is saying she wants a good Christian guy she definitely doesn’t know what she wants. Well I am not into strippers but I was raise thinking that a human body is not flesh – it is one of the most beautiful creation of nature or of God if you’d like. I would say that if you are a religious person you offend the God by calling a woman’s body a flesh. I love ballet and rhythmic gymnastics that shows the human body in a very grace motion. I still see a stripers as a sort of artist but of a very low kind. And I don’t like when a guy see it as a showing flesh. Anyway there was no stripers in USSR we preferred to watch ballet. American strip bars are sort of barbaric to me but I don’t judge. I don’t believe in standards. I believe that the goal to find the right guy that is attractive biologically for a girl. Other than that – most of people are normal. There are maybe few psychopaths but the majority is normal and if a girl has a physical attraction to a guy and if she solves her problems ( financial, social, whatever else I don’t know, legal maybe) herself, she can find a way to understand and accept the man that she is in love. If she needs a daddy to solve her problems than she should change herself first. If a guy is “cheating” on her… then for me it simply means he is not into her. Let him go. Don’t be mad. Just let him go. Unfortunately not everyone that we are attracted to is attracted to us. That’s life. Same advice to guys. Let her go. Don’t be mad, don’ call her whore, she is not into you. It doesn’t mean that you are a lesser man. You can be very attractive for another girl. You success has nothing to do with her choice. You just didn’t mean to be together.

        • Patriot on

          How come you have a PhD if you can’t even get the basic gist of what people say. Thank you education system for another useless product.
          I sighed again when I read this. I don’t want to yap much right now but I’ll tell you three basic mistakes that you’re repeating over and over.
          1. You pay your lover’s income in taxes, that does not entitle you to say that all men are broke-ass idiots like him. A career woman earning even 250k+ would make me uncomfortable when I think about divorce, because I’m worth more than she can ever be. Money is the equivalent of shit anyway. One who worships shit 24/7 is bound to smell very shitty indeed.
          And let me tell you that even financially challenged good men don’t need your 2583 dollars in alimony. They just long for a loving relationship and a marriage which is forever.

          2. ‘Well if a guy, especially in Cali, married a “nice family oriented” lady that wants be a housewife and raise kids he will be screwed in divorce.’
          You can’t get anything to fit properly in your head. With a good woman there is no chance of divorce. Ever. She will be a diamond – pair her even with a bluff stone and her radiance will rub off on it and it will shine too.
          And enough with your biological selection bullshit. It’s so pathetic it isn’t even hilarious. Don’t try to justify the many experimental dicks that you had in your womb to achieve this empirical wonder formula. The rule is very simple – if a good man marries a good woman they will be blessed immeasurably.

          3. One thing is very clear but I don’t know why, why the heck are you bent on tipping the scales in career women’s favor?? I don’t think any housewives are on this page spewing poison everywhere they can see. Unlike you they’re too busy living a fulfilling life, taking care of their family, loving their husbands, raising their children to become good men and women so humanity remains strong.

          Lastly you don’t believe in standards because you don’t have any. None for the world and less than none for yourself. I bet your work lab adheres to more standards than you do.

          • Cat on

            Dude, didn’t you still figured that I don’t see any value in man’s ability to make money. So the rest of you conclusion ain’t worth 13 cents. On the other hand of cause you worth more that 250+, every human is priceless. I don’t know what education you’ve got but definitely you don’t see difference between correlation and causation and have a tendency to base your opinion on you personal experience. I never assumed all men are broke ass, My example of alimony calculations I based on statistical values for average income.
            If someone doesn’t want to think about divorce it doesn’t matter he never gets one. Any way I wish you luck to find a woman for you, I don’t have time to follow this tread like you do.
            You are right about the problem that women most of the time are paid less than man for the same results at work. That is actually the only problem that really bothers me. The rest of stuff … I don’t really care. Yea, money doesn’t buy the best things in life – love first in the list that one can’t buy.
            Good luck.

            • Patriot on

              Now why you say things like ‘every human is priceless’? Pathetic working biatch who gets worked every day haha

              ‘You are right about the problem that women most of the time are paid less than man for the same results at work. That is actually the only problem that really bothers me.’
              Another funny thing, cuz dumbasses like you MUST be paid less if the American Dream has to be kept alive. That’s what keeps the debauchery in society going.

              ‘man’s ability to make money’
              xD too funny, your ‘thinking’, that is. which company do you work for? I can safely say the head honcho is a man haha. whereas losers like you, JOB4LIFE hhahahahhaa

              • Cat on

                I have a tenure in a University and independent contracts and in a process of starting my small business. One of the companies I worked with had a female CEO tho.Yea, it is not always easy to find an occupation that brings money and is interesting. And if women are still treated like they worth less it could be even more difficult for a women. Although the picture you draw about beautiful life of stay-at-home-mom in the past is not true. If you’d read O’Henry you’d learn a lot about the life of the majority of women in the past. They were working but they never were allowed to get a high paid jobs, they were working long days in a horrible conditions for a very little money.
                Anyway, I found a article for you
                http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/contemplating-divorce/201311/three-reasons-why-you-shouldn-t-marry-love
                This is how it works basically. It is sad but true. I personally would prefer to be alone than marry without feeling that he is “the one”, that means physical attraction. I don’t see my husband, as you said, “broken ass”. And what is “broken ass”? For somebody with income 250K 99% of Americans with medium income about 40-50K are “broken ass”, for someone that makes few M a year 250K is broken ass. I rely only on my income and I don’t see any extra value in ability of my husband to bring home a paycheck.
                Anyway, good luck with your relations. I am not sarcastic. I really wish you to find your diamond and stop crying in the internet. Actually, I never tried to put you down, I told that your thought process is strange to me that’s it.

        • Brigitte on

          Cat-you talk so much and yet say nothing of value. Why are you *so* interested what the alimony laws are in California??? Are you entertaining the idea of leaving your hubby? Seeing what your options are? How much money you can get out of him? You are the one who is obssessed with money. Why are you here if your are married?

  23. Dregs on

    I’m laughing my ass off at the women and their sexist annoying comments. You talk all that shit on here yet you can’t take your own advice and just leave the article altogether. So the ladies commenting on here never in their wildest dreams ever own a company and if you did, did you cheat on your hubby because you thought he was below you?

    I’m also laughing because the women commenting are some of the biggest idiots and annoying cunts ever. So it’s post 60s and you still think its right for a woman or man to cheat because of their business status lol wow the dumbest argument ever. Second, the article writer wasn’t using any demeaning or hateful words, but let it be to women to use insults to think they are making a point, wow ladies I hope you don’t have children because you are truly a bad example of being a parent and rolemodel.

    I do not agree with everything the writer said, but the majority i do agree about. The only female businesswomen I never heard of cheating or leaving their man and children are the smart businesswomen who wouldnt want the bad PR on them.

    Futhermore, if you should comment on my comment to insult me please be sure me and my family will be laughing at you over your childish comments so please get all your PMSing anger out on someone who are offended because nothing you all can say to make me mad. So make yourself look like a fool and comment with an insulting comment because I refused to comment on such sites with so much negativity it’s not even funny.

    Deuces

    • Brigitte on

      But..but..but- having standards is so boring!

      Having a conscience is a liability in 2014.

  24. A. Ivenson on

    Many men in Tdot are have a hard time finding a job, because some feminist HR or employer gave preference to the B.A. in Gender Studies graduate.

    The leftwing government run by feminists, manufacturing jobs lost, companies closing down

    Remaining good paying jobs left are in public sector and service sector. Lots of B.A. female graduates filling these jobs while men have to search, search and search because the men jobs are lost in Ontario.

    Employers are afraid of hiring males because these feministized women are litigious too much risk to be in court when the Judge is a feminist and believes everything a woman says in court, except minority and poor women.

    The feminist movement in Canada is terrible. Most of the career women are feminists, that is how they recieved perference for the job.

    • Patriot on

      Sorry to hear that, it sounds grim. Women are nowadays being made to do jobs that men used to do for so long. Reason – her employer notices that she isn’t inclined to spend time with her family, she wants the money just because she thinks she’s got a degree which men usually get, she doesn’t even know anything about the twisted corporate world when she steps in. So the employer gets away with giving her a lot of work for lesser pay than a similarly educated man would ask for, with practically the same work expectations…
      Misery attracts misery – that explains your ‘receiving preference for the job’ thing..
      They are required to dress like men, act like men, talk like men. Day after day, everyday? It’s not funny.
      They cannot handle the stress, no matter what kind of white collar job it is.. it causes all kinds of havoc in their life and consequently in society.
      Women are not men – they never can be. Women are mothers, women are nurturers. Women are comforters. A man can easily toil for a whole day only to rest on his beloved’s lap in the evening.. modern society has become so evil, nobody seems to get it…
      Women are gentle beings full of warmth in their hearts.. the second she tries to act like a man, that’s where the problem starts.

      • Blogger on

        Let me add a little:

        Ivenson can’t gain employment because he is viewed as the villain by the misandry sheep.

        Canadian women look far worse than American women for the sole reason that Canada enforces strict speech laws which limit freedom of speech. Anything a man says is demonized and impure to the feminists, which causes uproars (Google: Statement which caused the SlutWalk).

        I’ve been to Nova Scotia for a couple of months, it was better than my business visit in Toronto. Career women look at men on the streets as dangerous, but at clubs these same women flock to the gangbangers and rich old men for their money.

        Ivenson, I understand your plight.

      • Anonymous on

        Wow, this is refreshing. I had worked in two offices up North (and still EXTREMELY apprehensive to try again). I will not say everything that is on my mind here, but, I will say that I am a woman who is totally disgusted by the horrible treatment and bullying of other woman in the workplace. It has turned me completely off to trusting other women in those types of situations, as you can only be nice until a certain point, then when you realize you have to start sticking up for yourself. And, can you guess where this gets you?? Of course, the big manager career hag will then make it a goal to make you look crazy, try to intimidate, and even mess with your work. ..Immaturity at it’s finest.
        And THAT is why I think being a “working woman” is such a crock. This was just a personal experience of mine. Maybe it was because I am younger and skinnier? But I am a good, warm-hearted person who tried for months to be nice, show them that I was on their level as a human being, etc. and realized that there was nothing I could do. The nicer I was, the meaner they became..
        it seemed. I am just fortunate enough to not have kids yet, and have to just put up with being put down in order to provide for children.
        THIS is why nowadays I decided to go with the minority and long for a more 50’s kind of lifestyle in which men provide. It only makes sense to me now. A simple life where I can get along with the opposite sex. So what if there is a little less money coming in-there is much more peaceful and happy moments.

        I love your comments, and this article.

        • Patriot on

          Wow, who are you, a nobody? Do not fear to include your name.

          ‘And THAT is why I think being a “working woman” is such a crock. This was just a personal experience of mine.’
          No comments.

          ‘But I am a good, warm-hearted person who tried for months to be nice..’
          No longer I guess? The old adage proved right once again – there is unimaginable power in company. Be very careful who or what you share your time with – you’ll never know how you ended up being like it/them.
          With your current disposition and predicament, tell me how you can attract someone like me who will love you forever? Why put yourself in a situation where the one who you really desire from the inside will not even be able to identify you if you both crossed paths someday?
          Fyi, I will not change due to the ‘influences’ that are around me or swept upon me. I’m a fair person. I will be just like my beloved who I want to attract. I’ll not put myself in a situation where I have to ‘fake it’. For life, till the day I die. And if I still don’t find the person I will simply refuse to be born again on this earth lol.

          ‘show them that I was on their level as a human being..’
          xD you really attempted to do this??

          ‘The nicer I was, the meaner they became..’
          And how else do you think it should have been? It was not I who urged you to step into this twisted side of reality. Find out who or what is responsible for you making this decision, and nip it’s influence in the bud.

          ‘I am just fortunate enough to not have kids yet..’
          No comments..

          ‘It only makes sense to me now. A simple life..’
          This is not about men, its about yourself first. Respect yourself. I am of the opinion that career women do not genuinely respect themselves as a woman. No matter how high in the ‘hierarchy’. Most of them are the female versions of disgruntled factory workers, from inside: albeit, more disgruntled than males. But anyway, at least you can find the wisdom to say these words. I think you are headed in the right direction.
          May you see reality for what it really is.

          • Anonymous on

            All I have left to say is that I am still nice to every one I meet, until they are in a situation in which it becomes that I have to defend myself. These woman did not make me hate people or turn cold-they’ve simply made me fear working in places where people are not that interested in working-just dominating and playing immature games. I fear that kind of environment tremendously, and it has (so far) been the only kind I’ve seen.

            I am still a positive person, and I really like the Walt Whitman quote you shared. They don’t change who I am, but having to have to enter into that kind of environment on a daily basis can definitely lessen a person’s zest for life. I try not to think about all of the days I was forced into misery with them, but when I do, it still creeps me out. I have also heard similar stories from good female friends in the past.
            Nonetheless, it came to a point where I just messed with them back, to show I knew they were trying to step on me, and I was NOT having it. I had to demonstrate to them that just as I couldn’t prove what they were doing to me (to the male managers and higher ups), they couldn’t prove what I was doing. ..It was not only for myself, but the few others I could spot that were good women, afraid to stick up for themselves. And trust me, I DO NOT enjoy this kind of game; I just had to do it out of courage, for I knew I might be risking the job to get these crazies to keep their distance from standing over me, trying to intimidate, humiliate; whatever was their “productive” goal of the day.

            Furthermore, I would like to state that I am thankful for the handful of women out there that trained me right, and were actually genuine. THEY are the beautiful ones. I’m just sick of seeing good men buy into bad women because they have a career-on the outside, it looks great!
            And I’m sure men feel the same when it is the other way around.

            No more comments from me, as I never make comments in forums. I don’t really care to have some argumentative person start getting crazy on the computer with me. This article was just a rare thing, and I saw people with similar viewpoints as my own…thought it was very enlightening to see.

            Thanks.

            • Patriot on

              ‘ I fear that kind of environment tremendously, and it has (so far) been the only kind I’ve seen.’
              Consider the author’s premise again. Anguish starts 30k and above. Well when it comes to 100k and above, it’s definitely THIS kind of environment that you’re talking about. Situation exacerbates as you increase the pay. Filled with everyone who wanna be on top of the chain. Crazies. The demonic type, really.

              I am okay with your comment though. You’re probably one of the aware women who has/had some sort of career and is still able to discern how it’s like.

    • Blogger on

      What wud you expect for a politically correct nation which bans American journalists and bloggers from entering Canada, or the infamous trial of a male historian and thought crimes?

      Haven’t you guys read Brave New World? Is that banned in Canada too?

  25. Anonymous on

    I am a woman and I agree with this article

    • Patriot on

      Pray tell me why you made this comment anonymous? You don’t want other women to see you? Is the pressure to live fake so much? Your thoughts on this will not be gone wasted, share them.

      • Brigitte on

        I can’t speak for her but I am thought of as “not nice” when I observe reality.
        I wish that I could not live within the parameters of reality but I can’t so…. It sure would be easier though. People are not capable (or willing?) of introspection and self-reflection. But they all just talk and talk and talk. I think all that noise that they make serves to mask the ugly truth that lies within people.

  26. Riko on

    Sometimes all you need is bit of humor

  27. caprizchka on

    I became a “career woman” on the advice of men which basically means that women do not have a monopoly on bad advice.

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  29. Anonymous on

    What absolute rubbish!

  30. Foo on

    I feel dumber having read all your petty and partisan comments by both men and women. In this sense both you men and you women are equally stupid and culpable. You all seem more interested in pointing fingers at each other then getting to the heart of the matter. No one here has chosen to analyze the “research” or question the alleged facts or Delve into the underlying economic realities which may be shaping these academics conclusions. You all seem to except the underlying conclusions as either inherently true or inherently false. Both sides have chosen to defend their world view without any regard to whether the research is in fact proper research. Instead you have all chosen to two bicker argue name call attack ridicule and otherwise verbally assault one another. You are no better than baboons.

    As someone who makes well over $400,000 a year I can tell you that I can easily afford to have my wife stayed home and take care of the children. She had a successful career but we have collectively decided that it is better for her to enjoy the raising of our children while I take on the responsibility of paying for their education and other such expenses. I do not believe that it makes my wife in anyway subservient to me by doing “domestic work”. She is an exceptional mother spouse and friend. I choose to take care of business because it is the way in which I can contribute to the whole family. There is no hierarchy or domination because I earn money. The money is merely a tool or he resource for us to share in the support of the family as a whole. Because I make more money than other people I do not feel superior to them nor device feel superior to people of different genders or ethnicities. I feel fortunate that I am able to support our life’s decisions. Aside from income which I believe is simply a trivial and banal requirement of daily living, our emotional lives are much more important than the things we have or don’t have.

    That said, I have to agree as an executive that all the female executives in our very large company are not happily married. This is not coincidental. Conversely, over the senior executives in my company who are men are happily married. And I may also add that none of their wives work outside the home. Whether we like this were not tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years of human societal evolution has brought us to the point where we are today. The feminist movement of the last several decades cannot erase 250,000 years of gender preference and division of labor. While this may sound sexist I do not intend it to be so. I am merely observing what I have seen across to many dimensions of extremely successful marriages of both professional and domestic partnerships it appears that the most successful and enduring relationships are the more quote on quote traditional familial arrangements otherwise known as the 1950s idealized family unit. For those old enough to remember the television show Ozzie and Harriet you may recall that Ozzie respected Harriet and Harriet respected Ozzie. That was a relationship built on love not power or money. The husband made money to support the family unit. His career did not define his relationship to his wife. They had an independent and mutually respectful relationship. Ozzie’s career was simply a means to an end. Cell development and satisfaction came from doing a job well not making money. It is important to remember that income is not an end in and of itself. It’s also important to point out that women have every bit the right and ability to earn a living. The debate we are having is what arrangement in a domestic sonority oh is ideal for the raising of children and the maintenance of a long happy satisfying marriage. To answer those questions we must look to history and tradition. Wild tradition may have not served everyone as well as it could have, there is a reason why it has endured to be called tradition. It is because it has worked. Those things which cervine from an evolutionary standpoint survive because they are successful. Whether we like it or not is of no consequence. We have inherited systems which have been passed down from generation to generation to generation for tens of thousands of years. These would not have been able to be passed down if it did not work for more people than it did not work for. And that is simply logic. That said, it is only our judgment and desire to be seen as superior “the competitive hierarchical ape” characteristic which attempts to judge or condemn others. The article here as I read it is not attempting to place judgment or negative aspersions on those who are outliers to the “norm”. Simply, the article is attempting to state the research on the topic of marriages and careers and how competition effects happiness. Perhaps the greater story is not one of the genders but rather competition and capitalism itself. It should be noted that the research primarily concerns North America and or Western civilization. There is no mention of Middle Eastern African or Asian societies. Let alone, any discussion of socialist or communist regimes. It would be interesting to understand if these same conclusions would have held true across multiple societies and economic or political systems. My sense is the conclusions would not necessarily remain consistent. Also it would be interesting to understand in gay marriage is if these exact issues did not also come up between the two partners. What we may be witnessing is simply the impact of hierarchy and economics and not battles between the sexes. Therefore the need to point fingers berate attack or otherwise otherwise harangue your fellow commenters is completely unwarranted on necessary and a new believably immature. I feel embarrassed to have to lecture you people on etiquette. But you would do well to recognize that these are fellow humans commenting on these threads and add homonym attacks or simply not conducive to understanding or education.

    If someone wants to comment further it would be enlightening if someone could actually comment on the research itself and not inventing nonsensical or fanciful rationale for their own inherent biases and prejudices.

    Good day. I leave you all to your mudslinging gladiatorial time wasting extravaganza.

    • Patriot on

      Your long-ass comment about your own life proves that this article hits home, old man.

  31. A on

    And this is why you will remain single for the rest of your life.
    Go ahead marry the one that is subservient in all ways to you (good luck finding her) you may want to go back to the 1800’s

    • Anderson on

      ok

    • Patriot on

      You may want to take this very route and go ahead to the 2200’s.

      Stupid bitch.

  32. maddaliswetha on

    IN THIS FIRST FEW LINES SAYING………………..
    Guys: A word of advice. Marry pretty women or ugly ones. Short ones or tall ones. Blondes or brunettes. Just, whatever you do, don’t marry a woman with a career.

    OKAY THEN I HAS A VERY GOOD ADVICE TO WOMEN. PLEASE DON’T MARRY A MAN WITH A CAREER.
    ACCORDING TO MY KNOWLEDGE……..
    1. MAN WITH CAREER — ALWAYS BUSY, BUSY…BUSY.
    2. FULLY MONEY – ORIENTED MINDSET.
    3. ALSO BUSY IN ATTENDING MEETINGS
    4. CAN’T TALK TO HIM IN FREE -HOURS.
    5. TACKLE BUSINESS MEETING IN NIGHT TIME ALSO WITH BUSINESS CONFERENCES.
    6. NEVER ENGAGE IN HIS TIME WITH KIDS AND FAMILY.
    7. THE COMMON WORD FROM HIS MOUTH – WHEN SERVANTS ARE THERE WHY THE NEED OF ME TO ATTEND YOUR BIRTHDAYS, PLAYING WITH KIDS, WHEN FAMILY MEMBERS ARE ILL-HEALTH.
    8. MEN WITH CAREER — MAKE MENTAL HARASSMENT TO WOMAN – TO EARN MONEY, GET IN GOOD POSITION JOB; YOU ARE LESS THAN ME COMPARING TO EDUCATION, LESS IN KNOWLEDGE.
    9. HUSBAND SAYS — MY WIFE IS DIRTY.
    10. HE SAYS THAT SHE CAN’T EVEN EARN MONEY AND NOT COMPETITIVE NATURE LIKE ME.
    11. COME GIVE ME SEX (CRUEL NATURE) — I AM FREE FOR AN HOUR.
    12. MY WATCH IS RICH THEN YOUR WATCH….TRY TO SPEND MONEY ON USEFUL THINGS LIKE ME.
    13. YOU ARE SPOILING MY TIME, MONEY, FAME, GIVEN BIRTH TO DIRTY KIDS. LIKEWISE SO ON…
    But there are some men and women courage their marriage life by leading with good mutual understanding in both of them. Only thing is that time and needs are important. Before you have mentioned the word “divorce” …… HAVE YOU STUDIED THE LEGAL DOCUMENTS OF HUSBAND AND WIFE? PLEASE READ THE LEGAL DOCUMENTS … YOU WILL KNOW THE REASONS FOR DIVORCE.

    • Patriot on

      You’re a grand bigot. Haven’t you realized that this virus can affect either gender? Same fucking symptoms. We men have been tackling this shit(AND YOU TOO!) for thousands of years – you lusty freedom bitches with your fucked up hormones have burnt our civilization to the ground in less than 200! And what legal documents are you talking about? In the harrowing majority of cases where the woman initiates the divorce and stakes claim on all of the much richer husband’s property and even then expects him to pay alimony while he’s afraid he’ll land in jail / in jail?

      Bi D way, I thinks yo pussy reeal funny. Curtins gapin’ wide n shit.

  33. Anonymous on

    people like you are a scar to the society. this is ruining the world . according to u woman shud be bounded to her family and nothing beyond it . conclusion: Don’t marry a career woman because she does not deserves to “HAVE A LIFE” . …what a shame . !

  34. WoodchuckRN on

    I have a PhD, and am familiar with all the research here. Those interested would do well to read such studies’ “discussion” sections and understand the logical difference between “causation” and “correlation.” Each & every study explicitly states that their evidence does NOT show that career & education CAUSE higher divorce rates, but simply CORRELATE with it. This means that education/career & marriage duration are both connected to some third variable yet untested (since that requires a randomized controlled experimental design – something you can’t ethically intake of these subjects). It’s the golden 3rd variable that’s the subject of so much speculation. & hypothesizing here on these very boards.

    I just point this out, because the devil’s always in the details, while simplistic rhetoric & assumption appeal far more to our limbic (emotional) brains.

    My hypothesis is that there is no SINGLE 3rd variable, but a variety of them that vary in prevalence. The most prevalent is simply that anyone who doesn’t HAVE to continue enduring an unpleasant experience (marriage included), and survive ending it, will end it. Men have always enjoyed this freedom; however, they rarely exercised it until recent decades due to social stigma. Thankfully for them, there’s never been much stigma attached to husbands engaging in affairs, so there’s that.

    Women only recently began enjoying comparable earning power. On its own, this is unlikely to have CAUSED divorce rates to rise so long as stigmas against it remained. But the same zeitgeist enabling women & minorities to enter the white collar work force coincided with relaxing social mores about the sacredness of the marriage institute. On this point it’s important to note that men have since been just as statistically likely to leave their marriages as women. Only now many women can literally afford to leave theirs, as well. Men & women in fact do so at equal rates.

    In response to the original point, sure, wives who face destitution upon divorce are likelier to stay in an unhappy marriage, and likely to become pretty damn resentful as a result. But is that really the preference of guys here? That marriage is all-good so long as we’re both trapped? In that case, I hope you also believe in marital therapy, but can’t you aim a little higher?

    So while emotionally appealing for spurned lovers & ex-husbands to blame their abandonment on their wives’ education & careers, it conveniently overlooks all the divorces men initiate &
    misses the greater point, that NEITHER MEN NOR WOMEN LEAVE GOOD MARRIAGES, no matter how educated or gainfully employed.

    It takes a lot of work for anyone who feels like they’re the victim of divorce to find peace again. But they’ll find that peace by looking inward, not by blaming “society” or “kids these days” or “that damn rock & roll music.” It’s funny how idyllically people imagine the days when they were growing up; we’be been doing it for centuries!

    First, we were always kids in those golden days, hopefully sheltered from the ugly realities inherent to every epoch. Second, our parents & grandparents suffered just as many private & interpersonal problems as we do – they just never talked about it. Third, blaming “the times we live in” is an easy scapegoat & substitute for introspection & personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is an especially apt concept here. It was essential to being at peace with oneself “back then,” has been ever since, and remains that way today.

    So set your goals a little higher, seize what you can control, let go of what you can’t, be vigilant over the difference, and no one can ever steal the peace & well-being that follows.

    • Patriot on

      Let me get this straight. You’re 43. Relationship status unknown, but I’ll ass ume it’s good. Have a PhD. Have high goals. Probably a career woman at best. Asserts that the devil is always in the details and not simplistic rhetoric and assumption, but is all about the latter in her post. Familiar with everything in society. Advocates that people should not stay for a moment in relationships where they feel ‘trapped’. Feels that there is no hiccup in consensual sex in any context. Never blames the ‘times’ (that includes people too). Claim to be capable of self-introspection. Have a good idea about personal responsibility. Seize what you can control. Vigilant.
      Peaceful and content on the inside.
      Now if the author creates this webpage citing references to detailed social studies and concludes that there are so many factors which are linked to people like you and unhappy marriages, why the fuck are you here trying to deny it with all your might and ridiculing people who agree with the obvious conclusion?
      Your personality has a big hole in it. Anyway, be a little more content with your situation and fuck off.

      • WoodchuckRN on

        And whom did I ridicule, BTW? Observing how emotionally you reacted to my reasoned post isn’t ridicule – just more cool analysis on my part. A bit of meta-analysis now; you can’t just espouse reason when it suits your beliefs, and dispense with reason when it doesn’t. When people do that, it betrays something called “ideology.” While politics is all about ideology, it’s anathema within rational, scientific debate. I’m actually an experimental psychologist who studies just those biases & emotionally-tainted thought processes in a lab dedicated to random controlled experiments. It’s one of the most fascinating subjects around.

        Peace again.

  35. WoodchuckRN on

    Wow, that last sentence is pretty hostile & personal in contrast to some empirically-sound rational observations on my part. Go figure you’ve concluded that all but your own attitude’s to blame for your female frustrations! Plus, you don’t dispute a single of my actual points. Talk about a forfeiture of critical thinking in lieu of emotional reactivity. And I thought your entire narrative this thread was how logical you were compared to my fairer sex?

    My statement regarding consensual sex simply means that so long as sexual activity is consensual, it’s ethical. Morality refers to the possibly higher standards to which we hold ourselves & our own intimates, recognizing that those standards are personal. What non-intimates do sexually is none of my business – so long as it’s consensual. Get the difference? I only address it because I hear about so many men engaging in casual sex & subsequently indicting their partners as “whores.” It’s fine not to want to marry such women, but if what they offer is so repugnant, what exculpates men from devouring it as eagerly as they apparently do?

    I’m a happily married American woman, wed to a strapping Irishman, childless by compromise (his choice due to childhood issues). He’s simply the coolest guy in the universe, and I a lucky lady to have him!

    I found these boards out of concern for my husband’s friend whom we believe has been unwittingly trapped into becoming a father – an unconscionable thing. So I googled “men’s rights,” and found these boards. While some men’s observations have been insightful, relevant & important, I found most of yours to be pretty refutable. That’s all I can really comment since you never disputed any of my specific points or arguments. Just the “fuck off” invective at the end – indicating your poor preparation for any rational dialogue on this subject.

    Peace!

    • Patriot on

      This is what high order education does do you, women. Your degree(s) don’t mean shit here. This is the internet.

      ‘empirically-sound rational observations’
      That’s exactly what the author did. However, he came up with detailed evidence and you just claim to have done it.

      ‘your female frustrations’
      Remember you’re 43 years OLD without a child your husband doesn’t want to get you pregnant. Do you know what this implies?

      ‘Talk about a forfeiture of critical thinking in lieu of emotional reactivity.’
      If I am critical towards you then I am emotional. Well done, jerk.

      ‘What non-intimates do sexually is none of my business – so long as it’s consensual. Get the difference?’
      I can accept that, but the way you retorted specifically to this leads me to believe that you have no standards of your own either.

      “I only address it because I hear about so many men engaging in casual sex & subsequently indicting their partners as “whores.” ”
      “such women”
      “men”
      Now these are ‘such women’. And the men? ‘Men’. That invariably means you accuse all the men. Retard.

      “I’m a happily married American woman, wed to a strapping Irishman, childless by compromise (his choice due to childhood issues)”
      “I found these boards out of concern for my husband’s friend whom we believe has been unwittingly trapped into becoming a father – an unconscionable thing. ”
      Sounds like the same person to me. That is your husband.

      “That’s all I can really comment since you never disputed any of my specific points or arguments”
      I don’t need to. You’re full of shit anyway.

      • WoodchuckRN on

        Not wanting to get me It implies that he has a history

      • WoodchuckRN's Husband on

        Hey, buddy. Woodchuck’s husband here. The reality is that I can’t have children as a result of undergoing a teratogenic course of chemotherapy & radiation while fighting Hodgkins lymphoma many years ago. I’d love her to be the mother my children, like she’d want, but it’s biologically just not something I can offer. She knew this, and was willing to marry me anyway. The loyalty manifest in that sacrifice confirmed she was the one, and I’ve never since doubted it.

        I financially supported us both through the end of my wife’s post-doc training. She never had to work after marrying me, since I earn a good living for both of us. But she’s brilliant, and her professional accomplishments make me proud, too (she’s also a witch in the kitchen – huge bonus). It’s also nice knowing my wife is with me by choice, not necessity like the chick I suspect tricked my buddy into having a kid. Its because I know how to keep my girl happy – an important art form of manhood.

        I recently realized another benefit of having an educated wife with a career: my malignancy recently re-occurred, forcing me to stop work again for several months while I underwent event more brutal treatment. My wife cared for me both physically & financially during that time.

        Any man who either doesn’t see the benefits a good woman can provide – educated or not – or regards them as a threat to their manhood, is only short-changing himself. But so long as they’re sparing those same women from the kind of masculine posturing & hostility evident in your posts, I suppose you’re doing everyone a favor by staying single & leaving the hurdles & rewards of marriage to Real Men to handle.

        Good luck.

      • WoodchuckRN's Husband on

        “If I am critical towards you then I am emotional. Well done, jerk.”
        Sigh, “critical thinking” and “personal criticism” are two completely different things. I engage in the former, and you respond with the latter.

        “I can accept that, but the way you retorted specifically to this leads me to believe that you have no standards of your own either.”
        More personal criticism over critical thinking. Meaning you interpret the question, “What’s wrong with consensual sex?” as indicative of low personal standards. Does this mean you’d prefer a nanny state, there, “Patriot”? Not very American of you…but maybe you’re actually a patriot of North Korea, China, or other states that police people’s personal liberties.

        “Now these are ‘such women’. And the men? ‘Men’. That invariably means you accuse all the men. Retard.”
        More ad hominem in response to rational argument. Read my statement again, genius. I wrote “many men.” Now you’re just making stuff up.

        “Sounds like the same person to me. That is your husband.”
        Yet even more personal criticism in life of critical thinking. Now, why on earth would I want to read up on men’s rights in order to help a husband who betrayed me?

        “I don’t need to. You’re full of shit anyway.”
        And a final personal insult from you! Do you got any other game, bud? Ive got you so emotionally worked up, you know you’d take my arguments on point-by-point if you could. But you can’t; so you just spew more emotional invective. Man up!

        • Patriot on

          ‘Woodchuck’s Husband’ responding from the same account, replying further in favor of the sentences that HE claims to have said sometime ago. Somebody got one serious bipolar disorder here.

          Anyway you’re super dumb if you think American citizens have got more personal liberties than people of most nations on the planet. Your liberties are being snatched away one by one and you’re too high to even take notice. Very few of them remain as of today. I’d prefer to communicate with a Chinese or Korean any day but not with your sorry ass.

          And who do you accuse of ad hominems, dumb educational product? I never even knew you existed on the face of the earth, you just randomly picked one of my responses and bombarded it with a shower of ad hominems.

          Wait a second, wait a second. Man UP? To your standards? Seriously, does your dick even get up? Sorry dude, I’d like to reserve the right to come someday and get a woman pregnant. I appreciate your concern.. but this is not for me.
          You one EFFECTIVE gigolo.

          • WoodchuckRN's Husband on

            YAWN. I had my fun, but now I’m bored by this exchange. Bye, and good luck with whatever it is you’re about.

            • Patriot on

              You could have had more fun sucking your husband’s tumor-laden dropdown dick. Anyway, good for you to acknowledge that you must fuck off.

              • WoodchuckRN on

                I’m interested if the OP would reveal his source the for the following alleged “2001 study” quote, since anyone claiming the ability to draw causal conclusions from observational research designs is a pseudoscientific hack. Since RCTs on the subject would completely violate institutional review board ethics, I guarantee that NO peer-reviewed journal would ever substatiate – much less publish – the following claim:

                “A 2001 study found that having a wife who works less than 40 hours a week has no impact on your health, but having a wife who works more than 40 hours a week has “substantial, statistically significant, negative effects on changes in her husband’s health over that time span.” The author of another study summarizes that “wives working longer hours not do not have adequate time to monitor their husband’s health and healthy behavior, to manage their husband’s emotional well-being or buffer his workplace stress.”

              • WoodchuckRN on

                I challenge the OP to cite the source of the following supposed “2001 study.” Anyone claiming to draw causal conclusions from observational study designs is a pseudoscientific hack, while an RCT on the subject would never clear institutional review board ethics. Sweeping claims on a subject such as this require footnotes, not just a few selective in-context citations & a couple end references. As Chritipher Hitchens once wrote about theistic claims, “That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof”:

                “A 2001 study found that having a wife who works less than 40 hours a week has no impact on your health, but having a wife who works more than 40 hours a week has “substantial, statistically significant, negative effects on changes in her husband’s health over that time span.” The author of another study summarizes that “wives working longer hours not do not have adequate time to monitor their husband’s health and healthy behavior, to manage their husband’s emotional well-being or buffer his workplace stress.”

  36. WoodchuckRN on

    And yet the evidence here suggests I’m more qualified to be your professor!

  37. WoodchuckRN on

    I also responded because:
    1). That’s precisely what blogs with answer forums invite – responses , and not just those that agree;
    2). I’m used to working with highly emotional types like you in both the clinic & lab;
    3). I’ve dedicated decades to studying social cognition – an operative premise in all the OP’s cited research;
    4). I’m although well familiar with the observational, correlational research methods employed by all the research cited here, and in the hierarchy of evidentiary quality observational studies are way inferior to the Random Controlled Experimental designs my lab employs;
    5). And finally, in reaction to post after post here by women challenging the articles conclusions, you harp that they’re not addressing the facts & twirl a smug, self-satisfied tribal dance around your alleged genius, while gleefully appointing yourself the debate’s winner.

    Well, I answered your challenge with well-reasoned, empirically-based arguments, and you’ve hurled nothing but hostile invectives in response, showing You Can’t Handle rational dialogue after all. To you, hating career women is an emotional premise, not a reasoned conclusion, and I surmise that such a boatload of therapy can change that reality.

    • Patriot on

      bahahaahah go open shop somewhere else, stupid bitch. No one here is buyin empty words. Guess that’s what your education’s been all about.

  38. WoodchuckRN on

    I challenge the OP to cite the source of the following supposed “2001 study.” Anyone claiming to draw causal conclusions from observational study designs is a pseudoscientific hack, while an RCT on the subject would never clear institutional review board ethics. Sweeping claims on a subject such as this require footnotes, not just a few selective in-context citations & a couple end references. As Chritipher Hitchens once wrote about theistic claims, “That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof”:

    “A 2001 study found that having a wife who works less than 40 hours a week has no impact on your health, but having a wife who works more than 40 hours a week has “substantial, statistically significant, negative effects on changes in her husband’s health over that time span.” The author of another study summarizes that “wives working longer hours not do not have adequate time to monitor their husband’s health and healthy behavior, to manage their husband’s emotional well-being or buffer his workplace stress.”


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