“Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”


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“Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
slats7

The hypocrisy in here is mindboggling. Like women aren’t constantly judging and rejecting men for every superficial reason under the sun? Too bald, too fat, too short, too poor, crummy car, crummy clothes, etc. Then there are the women’s mags and their insecurity-inducing tips on how to trap and keep a man, or which men to steer clear of. And what about “The Rules,” or “He’s Just Not That Into You?” Who’s buying these books, men or women? So now the tables are finally turned, and the feminazis here go absolutely ape**bleep**. Message to aging spinsters: this agony aunt article was written by a man FOR men. What you are doing is called eavesdropping. If men like me brush off the insulting man-hunt articles in Cosmo (and we do), then I suggest you get a grip and follow our example. Feminism is all about choices, right? Well, you career gals have made your choice, and now we men get to decide whether we like that or not. At the very least, you’ll still have your “exciting” careers to fall back on, no? In the meantime, have fun cuddling up to your Blackberry.

Message Edited by slats7 on 08-23-2006 07:15 PM

08-23-2006 07:13 PM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
its2006Forbes

Since when was Forbes mag articles restricted to men?

08-23-2006 07:19 PM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
Termi0n

Preach it brother! Amen!

08-23-2006 07:20 PM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
wisco-girl

Wake up and join the 21st century… In case you hadn’t noticed, Donna Reed and June Cleaver have been benched and women are now doctors, lawyers, Supreme Court Justices, corporate officers, members of the board of directors of Fortune 500 companies and USED to read Forbes Magazine.

If Forbes is so short-sighted to believe that only members of the “Good Old Boys” network read their magazine, let the canceled subscriptions do the talking. However, I hope that a magazine that touts itself as “Home Page for the World’s Business Leaders” is aware of the fact that many of those leaders, both now and in the future, are women.

If you are married, please give your wife my condolences…

08-23-2006 07:50 PM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
slats7

Excuse me, sweetie, but point me to where Mr. Noer urged women not to pursue corporate careers, not to go to grad school, or not to crash glass ceilings. You can’t, because he did nothing of the kind. You harpies bitch about the studies he cites, but do nothing to debunk them. Wanna make partner at your firm? More power to ya. But don’t act as if that won’t have consequences for your relationships and/or personal life. Earth to Bridget Jones: YOU CAN’T HAVE IT ALL. The sooner you realize that the better.

08-23-2006 08:02 PM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
RealityCheck

Slats does have a point.

You utterly failed to refute ANYTHING the man said.

08-23-2006 08:47 PM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
JohnJameson

Wisco-girl, honey, get a clue. Read the article. He cites scholarly articles that you yourself can look up. Surely you are one of the career women referenced, and therefore have an education adequate for base level research. For some reason, this article struck a nerve with you. Why???

start dramatic sarcastic rant: Oh my God! Two people who are both slaved to their career have a harder time maintaining a traditional marriage! OH MY GOD! IT CAN”T BE SO! end girl drama rant.

wisco, check out www.nomarriage.com for additional info on why marriage in general, to American women, is not a good idea anymore, career women or otherwise.

I love women and especially the professionals out there, but no way in hell will I marry them. Date? Yes. Knock up? Yes. Live with? Yes. Marry? Oh, hell no.

08-23-2006 09:04 PM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
its2006Forbes

Slats,
You oversimplify things by making blanket statements. Citing Cosmo is not very convincing. Yes there are women who have superficial reasons to reject ugly, fat, bald guys – just like men who reject women for the same reasons. Have you thought about the fact that there are different kinds of females out there, as well as men?

There are men who only want women with a body, brains optional; there are other men who hope to find both in one package. Those guys are not the same two guys. In the same way, there are women who reject men for superficial reasons(the ones you refer to); there are other women who take into account other important traits that can add value to the gene pool.

The point is: this is Forbes magazine, not a male version of Cosmo (to use your example) expressing this comment/view. Forbes WAS at one time a well-respected magazine regarded by most people in the business community as a resource for career- and business-minded people of both genders. Realize there are men that are pigs out there, women who are gold diggers out there, as well as gentlemen and women who are looking for more than a millionaire or a guy with a six-pack. In the ideal world, we want it all, don’t we? This article is making a statement that it’s this -or that. Not both.

08-23-2006 09:06 PM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
rykov

JohnJameson wrote:

Wisco-girl, honey, get a clue. Read the article. He cites scholarly articles that you yourself can look up. Surely you are one of the career women referenced, and therefore have an education adequate for base level research. For some reason, this article struck a nerve with you. Why???

Well, did you actually read the articles yourself? There are lies, **bleep** lies, and then there are statistics. I can cite scholarly articles all day and draw any conclusions I wanted, and use them in my arguments however I desire. The point being the conclusions the author drew from the scholarly articles were somewhat indirect at best. Having 1.9 less hours of time doing house chores does not imply a house is dirtier. It does imply both people have to contribute more to make the relationship work, assuming keeping a cleaner house is something you both care about.

08-23-2006 09:21 PM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
slats7

If I oversimplify things (doubtful), then you’re guilty of being too narrow. Yes, Forbes published a provocative article. So what? Time and Newsweek piss off their readers on a weekly basis, whether the topic is male/female brain differences, teaching evolution in schools, or the influence of the religious right. You’d rather they be tepid and stale? Frankly, it sounds like your feelings have been hurt. Instead of censoring Mr. Noer, how ’bout firing off a letter to the editor?

08-23-2006 09:21 PM

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articlecomment

nomarriage.com apparently cites something about 48% of men wanting their woman to work.
http://www.nomarriage.com/article_housewives.html

08-23-2006 09:58 PM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
JohnJameson

Yep, basically it’s a poor idea to marry any American woman. This article in Forbes focuses on career women, but let’s face it: ANY Westernized woman is not worth your time. They are costly, nagging, and use sex as a weapon, denying it pretty much from the time you say “I do.” For that reason, you are MUCH better off just keeping a girl you like as your girlfriend.

Do the Kurt Russel-Goldie Hawn thing. You can have kids and remain together without ever getting married and dealing with all the messiness that ensues. It is far sexier to be a girlfriend than a wife. I don’t know whay ANY guy would want a wife?? Just keep her as your girlfriend. What benefits will you ever receive from a woman by being married? The women, at least in America, get the bulk of benefits from arriage, which is why they push so hard for it. Marriage is not natural. It stems from antiquated religious nonsense.

If you want a truly great wife, go to Poland or Croatia (been there, done that) where the women (even career women) truly appreciate you as a man, respect your being a man, allow you to make decisions as a man, will not nag you constantly, look beautiful (not fat pigs) and maintain themselves throughout marriage. Basically they won’t take you for granted.

Best of luck to the men out there. Get some skills with women and you will see that your opportunities are limitless. Marriage is for the men who believe they will never be able to successfully seduce another woman. It comes from a scarcity mentality, fear of being alone. Once you learn how to attract women, you will never even consider settling for a substandard one. Better yet, you will maintain control of the relationship, rather than be the typical American male who is slowly emasculated by his American wife. Google David Deangelo or fastseduction for information on how to start being a better man, where you don’t have to ever deal with these issues, and are able to take control of your sex life and relationships.

08-23-2006 10:09 PM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
mikesurf

slats-
how exactly is tearing apart the idiocy of a poorly constructed opinion piece censoring the author?

08-24-2006 02:09 AM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
Termi0n

mikesurf wrote:

slats-
how exactly is tearing apart the idiocy of a poorly constructed opinion piece censoring the author?

Because its not a poorly constructed opinion piece.

08-24-2006 02:16 AM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
mikesurf

what does that have to do with my question?
How is criticizing something censoring the author?

08-24-2006 02:23 AM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
Termi0n

mikesurf wrote:

what does that have to do with my question?
How is criticizing something censoring the author?

Because they weren’t just criticizing they were trying to shut him up. Are you blind?

08-24-2006 02:32 AM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
mikesurf

By your own standards, you are trying to shut them up.

08-24-2006 02:35 AM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
CandyGramm

Dear John:

You complain that Western women are too costly and use sex as a weapon, and then you proceed to talk about traversing the globe to find beautiful Eastern European women. What is the difference between the two? Western women have money and career choices. Eastern European women are financially desperate. I was watching a program about older successful American men who go for the Eastern European types. Beauty was on the top of the list. For the women, they were financially desperate, admitted that they found the men unattractive, but were realistic about their situation and what they needed to do. Sex as a weapon, or tool for survival, as you say. So what does that make you, aside from being a giant embarrassment to the entire country, taking advantage of people who don’t have a choice. How does one maintain any character or self-respect by taking advantage, oh, excuse me, “having relationships” with people who serve it up because they HAVE to and not because they think you truly deserve it?

08-24-2006 02:31 PM

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Re: “Waaaah. Successful men won’t want me. Waaaah.”
khankrumthebulg

What is really sad here is the fact that the Career Women cannot connect the dots. Your assumptions about Eastern European Women is full of stereotypes. There Men have all the advantages. There is no Child Support or Government safety net. And there in the Former Soviet Union its the Men who file for Divorce 70% of the time. American Men as a whole are known for being stable, loving, decent, appreciative, and kind. Women there want a reliable, faithful, loving Partner. Most would prefer to stay at home rather than come here. Family is very important to them. I know personally of no less than 12 Marriages to Foreign Women. All in two decades of duration the Women tell me they are happy, the men are very happy. All but one has children.

Life is about maximizing your opportunities and happiness. Men have choices too. Unless Women in the US change their attitudes, you face many lonely, and childless years ahead. You are unreasonable and unrealistic.

09-19-2006 12:31 PM

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