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chadtamara
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“An excellent wife, who can find? For her worth is far above jewels.  The heart of her husband trusts in her, And he will have no lack of gain.  She does him good and not evil All the days of her life.  She looks for wool and flax, And works with her hands in delight.  She is like merchant ships; She brings her food from afar.  She rises also while it is still night, And gives food to her household, And portions to her maidens.  She considers a field and buys it; From her earnings she plants a vineyard.  She girds herself with strength, And makes her arms strong.  She senses that her gain is good; Her lamp does not go out at night.  She stretches out her hands to the distaff, And her hands grasp the spindle.  She extends her hand to the poor; And she stretches out her hands to the needy.  She is not afraid of the snow for her household, For all her household are clothed with scarlet.  She makes coverings for herself; Her clothing is fine linen and purple.  Her husband is known in the gates, When he sits among the elders of the land.  She makes linen garments and sells them, And supplies belts to the tradesmen.  Strength and dignity are her clothing, And she smiles at the future.  She opens her mouth in wisdom, And the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.  She looks well to the ways of her household, And does not eat the bread of idleness.  Her children rise up and bless her; Her husband also, and he praises her, saying: ‘Many daughters have done nobly, But you excel them all.’  Charm is deceitful and beauty is vain, But a woman who fears the LORD, she shall be praised.  Give her the product of her hands, And let her works praise her in the gates.” – Proverbs 31:10-31

? – does she work outside the home?
? – is she industrious
? – what seems to be her purpose?

Let a widow be put on the list only if she is not less than sixty years old, having been the wife of one man, having a reputation for good works; {and} if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints’ feet, if she has assisted those in distress, {and} if she has devoted herself to every good work.  But refuse {to put} younger widows {on the list}, for when they feel sensual desires in disregard of Christ, they want to get married, {thus} incurring condemnation, because they have set aside their previous pledge.  And at the same time they also learn {to be} idle, as they go around from house to house; and not merely idle, but also gossips and busybodies, talking about things not proper {to mention.}  Therefore, I want younger {widows} to get married, bear children, keep house, {and} give the enemy no occasion for reproach; for some have already turned aside to follow Satan.  If any woman who is a believer has {dependent} widows, let her assist them, and let not the church be burdened, so that it may assist those who are widows indeed.” – 1 Tim 5:9-16
“Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips, nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be dishonored.” – Titus 2:3-5

08-26-2006 02:33 AM

Re: What does the Bible have to say about such …
Termi0n
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Termi0n
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08-26-2006 08:20 AM

Re: What does the Bible have to say about such …
porkchops38
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chadtamara wrote:
“An excellent wife, who can find? For her worth is far above jewels.  The heart of her husband trusts in her, And he will have no lack of gain.  She does him good and not evil All the days of her life.  She looks for wool and flax, And works with her hands in delight.  She is like merchant ships; She brings her food from afar.  She rises also while it is still night, And gives food to her household, And portions to her maidens.  She considers a field and buys it; From her earnings she plants a vineyard.  She girds herself with strength, And makes her arms strong.  She senses that her gain is good; Her lamp does not go out at night.  She stretches out her hands to the distaff, And her hands grasp the spindle.  She extends her hand to the poor; And she stretches out her hands to the needy.  She is not afraid of the snow for her household, For all her household are clothed with scarlet.  She makes coverings for herself; Her clothing is fine linen and purple.  Her husband is known in the gates, When he sits among the elders of the land.  She makes linen garments and sells them, And supplies belts to the tradesmen.  Strength and dignity are her clothing, And she smiles at the future.  She opens her mouth in wisdom, And the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.  She looks well to the ways of her household, And does not eat the bread of idleness.  Her children rise up and bless her; Her husband also, and he praises her, saying: ‘Many daughters have done nobly, But you excel them all.’  Charm is deceitful and beauty is vain, But a woman who fears the LORD, she shall be praised.  Give her the product of her hands, And let her works praise her in the gates.” – Proverbs 31:10-31

? – does she work outside the home?

? – is she industrious

? – what seems to be her purpose?

Let a widow be put on the list only if she is not less than sixty years old, having been the wife of one man, having a reputation for good works; {and} if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints’ feet, if she has assisted those in distress, {and} if she has devoted herself to every good work.  But refuse {to put} younger widows {on the list}, for when they feel sensual desires in disregard of Christ, they want to get married, {thus} incurring condemnation, because they have set aside their previous pledge.  And at the same time they also learn {to be} idle, as they go around from house to house; and not merely idle, but also gossips and busybodies, talking about things not proper {to mention.}  Therefore, I want younger {widows} to get married, bear children, keep house, {and} give the enemy no occasion for reproach; for some have already turned aside to follow Satan.  If any woman who is a believer has {dependent} widows, let her assist them, and let not the church be burdened, so that it may assist those who are widows indeed.” – 1 Tim 5:9-16

“Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips, nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be dishonored.” – Titus 2:3-5

Chad, that verse in proverbs does not sound like 50/50 to me, I mean the wife there is the first one to arise in the morning and the last one to sleep at night, all the while it just mentions her husband just “sits at the gate”. I think this verse is part of the reason why fascist feminists want god dead so they can act like gods themselves and try to dictate everyone must live under their fascist views to try to force all relationships moreso like 50/50 (however the fascist women deem what is 50/50 of course). I think most fascist women would deem that proverbs verse sounds more like a slave than a wife. If that verse is really from the bible, then i’m sure the fascist feminist women have some way of rationalizing or censoring it away.

08-26-2006 11:05 AM

Re: What does the Bible have to say about such …
padapa
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padapa
Dear porkchops38,

I write this reply to you from my wife’s Silicon Valley office, we call it the house. I am both a successful technology professional and part- time preacher. Let me help you understand what the Word of God is saying in Proverbs 31. She is a business woman, working from home, and caring for her family. She is not a slave, for she has chosen to be the best she can be.

When the verses says “Her husband is known in the gates, When he sits among the elders of the land.” Cities and towns were always walled in and the gates were the entrances to these places. The gates were closed at night to protect the inhabitants. To “Sit in the Gates” was a position of leadership, reserved for men that were high successful, men sought out to do trade with as well as seek advice from. Little more is said of him, since the focus of this text is about his wife. It is noteworthy that her children bless her (verse 28) and her husband does even more so in verses 29-30. His comparison of his wife to other women is “but thou excellest them all”.

You must understand that marriage was created by God, not man. Each of us has a role to fulfill in marriage and in the book of Ephesians (New Testament) we can read:

Eph 5:22-24 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

You see here the roles require the wife to submit to the authority of the husband as head of the family, not because he is “better” in some way, but because God, the designer of the marriage covenant has designed us and marriage to work that way. I know many “modern” women bristle at the thought of “subjection” , but someone has to ultimately be responsible. Subjection does not mean dominated, it simply means “under the leadership of”. With the leadership role comes the responsibility for the family and that job is the man’s, according to God.

The flip side of that coin is that the man is told of the incredible responsibility that the man has to place her needs above his own. The example being Jesus Christ, who died for the Church, so the man here must do everything he can to enable her to fulfill her best potential.

08-26-2006 03:54 PM

Re: What does the Bible have to say about such …
porkchops38
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porkchops38
Preacher, as long as you’re here, I guess I’ll ask you. I got a couple buddies who are Catholic, and both are married to lazy wives. Both guys are miserable in their marriages. Both guys work about 50 hours a week — one lays drywall and the other is a mechanical engineer. They both bought old houses, and after working about 50 hours a week, they both spend a lot of time after work and on the weekends fixing up the old houses they bought. Neither wife cooks much, so these guys basically cook for themselves and their kids just eat junk food for the most part. Both of their wives work about 30 hours a week. I go over to their houses and it makes me uncomfortable to be there when I see my buddies being ridiculed right in front of me by their wives. My buddies tell me they have tried everything under the sun to get their wives to treat them better, but nothing works. One of the wives, constantly tells my buddy that if he doesn’t do what she says then she will take him to divorce court and “take him for everything he’s got” — those were her exact words, as she said them right in front of me too. Like I say, it’s kinda uncomfortable to see a woman ridicule her husband, a husband who is basically slaving away his entire life for his wife and children. Now my question is, if these guys are the “leaders” in their families, then how do they get their wives to stop nagging and complaining all the time? And, how can the husband ever be the “leader” in a family when the wife says that if she does not get whatever she wants that she will take him to divorce court and take him for everything he’s got? Thanks.

08-26-2006 06:13 PM

Re: What does the Bible have to say about such …
padapa
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padapa
porkchops38,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I agree it is very uncomfortable to see men disrespected by their wives. I am working on your answer and have a few questions about your buddies and their wives. Are they practising Christians? Are their wives?

Be back soon.

09-01-2006 10:10 PM

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