I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.


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I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.
tomshh
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tomshh

Why are the feminists upset.

For years feminists have preached that marriage is “slavery for women”, and feminists have preached that “men oppress women” and they have preached that “women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle”.

Well, you got your wish ladies.  We men are leaving you alone.  Go be independent and strong.  Prove us all wrong.  You should be HAPPY.  We men are no longer going to “enslave” you in marriage.

08-26-2006 08:46 PM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

tomshh wrote:
For years feminists have preached that marriage is “slavery for women”, and feminists have preached that “men oppress women” and they have preached that “women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle”.

First off, feminism is not homogenous.  Second, feminists are still interested in relationships with men, just not the old, traditional kind.

In other words, you’ve rather missed the point.

08-26-2006 08:52 PM

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tomshh
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tomshh

First off, feminism is not homogenous.  Second, feminists are still interested in relationships with men, just not the old, traditional kind.

In other words, you’ve rather missed the point.
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I didn’t miss any point.  Feminists have preached those things for years.  Now you want to change your opinion?  Now marriage isn’t “slavery for women”?

You have to make up your mind, before you have such strong opinions.

And no, men are not buying it.  As you can see here, or just go google the letters “PUA”.  Go for it.  See how men have changed so they can have MORE sex, and never get married.

08-26-2006 08:56 PM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

tomshh wrote:
I didn’t miss any point.  Feminists have preached those things for years.  Now you want to change your opinion?  Now marriage isn’t “slavery for women”?
Marriage used to be slavery.  Now it doesn’t have to be, thanks to feminism.  Try to wrap your head around that.

08-26-2006 08:58 PM

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tomshh
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tomshh

Marriage used to be slavery.  Now it doesn’t have to be, thanks to feminism.  Try to wrap your head around that.
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Oh, so now you have changed all the rules, and mariage now benefits you, so men are opting out (thus the marriage rate is at an all time low in the USA, and predicted to get much lower) it is a good thing.

Now I see why you are so upset.  You know that you NEED a man, but men no longer need you at all.  How humorous.

Well have fun with that, we men will keep going our own way.

08-26-2006 09:01 PM

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Romulus
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Nowadays marriage makes little sense for a man. Especially when women so readily engage in sex before marriage. In the past a man’s only access to sex was either though marriage or prostitution. As long as a man stays in shape and creates wealth, he can be attractive to women well into his 50s. The same can’t be said about women whose attractiveness to the other sex diminishes rapidly after 30. In fact now is the BEST time in history to be a man as long as you use feminism to your advantage – have sex and stay out of marriage. More and more men are waking up to this realization.

Message Edited by Romulus on 08-26-2006 09:11 PM

08-26-2006 09:10 PM

Re: I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.
Marta2003
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Marta2003

tomshh wrote:
Oh, so now you have changed all the rules, and mariage now benefits you, so men are opting out (thus the marriage rate is at an all time low in the USA, and predicted to get much lower) it is a good thing.
It’s a good thing that losers who won’t compromise aren’t getting married, yes.

Now I see why you are so upset.  You know that you NEED a man, but men no longer need you at all.
I have a man.

Next.

08-26-2006 09:11 PM

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IWentThere
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IWentThere

Oh snap!  I better not let my fiance read this. . .

Too late.

Well, the wedding is still on anyway, so another half-assed theory goes boom.

08-26-2006 09:22 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

If you’re fiance is still reading: RUN FOOL! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

Bah, he’s probably already pretty whipped if he’s gonna marry your ass.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

08-26-2006 09:25 PM

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IWentThere
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IWentThere

He can’t run.  I keep him chained to his chair.   I also keep him gagged so he will only speak when I allow him to.  We both agreed that it would be better this way.

If he is really good and satisfies me, I will let him out for a walk.  If he is bad, I don’t feed him for a week.

We are very happy.

08-26-2006 09:30 PM

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Re: I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.
tomshh
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tomshh

Exactly, we men are going to go our own way.

So why do you come here, wasting your free time, trying to change our minds?

Why?

Go do something else with your Saturday night, if you do in fact actually have a “man”.

08-26-2006 09:31 PM

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AnnG
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AnnG

I have a wonderful husband.  Thank you for your concern.  I’m here because he’s out of town, and I find reading comments from various people/dinosaurs/whatever to be rather amusing.

I’m not trying to change your mind.  That would require that you had one to begin with.  I make no such assumption.

08-26-2006 09:34 PM

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tomshh
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tomshh

I’m not trying to change your mind.  That would require that you had one to begin with.  I make no such assumption.
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And another childish personal remark.

When you post things like this, you just continue to prove me right.

Thank you for doing my work for me.  Enjoy your “exciting” Saturday night.

08-26-2006 09:36 PM

Re: I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.
Marta2003
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Marta2003

tomshh wrote:
And another childish personal remark.
Don’t you find it amusing, IWentThere and Ann, that a man who has deemed a whole nation of women beneath him takes offense at ad hominem attacks?

08-26-2006 09:41 PM

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AnnG
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True.  Though, I do regret my brief descent to his level.  It’s hard to take some of these posts seriously.

08-26-2006 09:45 PM

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tomshh
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tomshh

Don’t you find it amusing, IWentThere and Ann, that a man who has deemed a whole nation of women beneath him takes offense at ad hominem attacks?
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I never said you were beneth me, though American women have for the most part turned into a giant pool of turds to choose from.

Women are different than men.  Your bodies are different, your minds are different, you function different, you have different views of your life and what you want.

It is in your biology, and fighting it, only make you more and more sour.

You seem awfully bitter.

08-26-2006 09:46 PM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

tomshh wrote:
I never said you were beneth me, though American women have for the most part turned into a giant pool of turds to choose from.
Oh, the irony.

Women are different than men.  Your bodies are different, your minds are different, you function different, you have different views of your life and what you want.

It is in your biology, and fighting it, only make you more and more sour.

You seem awfully bitter.

Me?  I sound bitter?  HA!  That’s absurd, coming from you.

08-26-2006 09:48 PM

Re: I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.
tomshh
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tomshh
Me?  I sound bitter?  HA!  That’s absurd, coming from you.
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Certainly, coming all the way to this message board, to defend your stance, when you claim “it doesn’t matter to me”.

Something doesn’t add up, my guess, you are very bitter.

Eh, its up to you to find out, have fun.

08-26-2006 09:50 PM

Re: I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.
Marta2003
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Marta2003

tomshh wrote:
Certainly, coming all the way to this message board, to defend your stance, when you claim “it doesn’t matter to me”.
It matters to me for the sake of other women, because I care about other people in general.  I do not like the idea of women voluntarily signing up for servitude (especially not with the likes of you).  It is not good for them (or anyone else, for that matter, when you get down to it).

That’s why I get into arguments about feminism.  That, and I like a good fight.

08-26-2006 09:54 PM

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IWentThere
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Marta2003 eloquently spoke:

Don’t you find it amusing, IWentThere and Ann, that a man who has deemed a whole nation of women beneath him takes offense at ad hominem attacks?

I can’t stop laughing to be honest.  We know that the majority of men don’t think like this, so we can just giggle and point.

I actually feel kinda bad for the little guy.  It’s really hard to take someone who uses backward logic, double standards and personal insults seriously.

Maybe he just needs a hug?

08-26-2006 10:06 PM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

IWentThere wrote:
Maybe he just needs a hug?
I’m thinking lots of hugs, some encouragement and an agreement to actually have sex with him and have his kids.  If someone would give him that, I’m sure he’d be reasonable and “allow” them to work if they really wanted to.

08-26-2006 10:18 PM

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Anti_Feminist
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Anti_Feminist

As a single guy I have never gone without sex on a night where I felt like having sex. Can married guys say that? With that said are you really expecting this “ow, you have that attitude you can’t possible get laid B/S to work” I mean really do you live in a bubble or something?

08-26-2006 10:47 PM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

Anti_Feminist wrote:
As a single guy I have never gone without sex on a night where I felt like having sex. Can married guys say that? With that said are you really expecting this “ow, you have that attitude you can’t possible get laid B/S to work” I mean really do you live in a bubble or something?
I said he needs lots of hugs, encouragement, physical intimacy and a woman to accept him in such a fashion as to be willing to bear his children.

That’s a heck of whole lot more than just sex.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-26-2006 10:55 PM

08-26-2006 10:51 PM

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IWentThere
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IWentThere

As a single guy I have never gone without sex on a night where I felt like having sex. Can married guys say that? With that said are you really expecting this “ow, you have that attitude you can’t possible get laid B/S to work” I mean really do you live in a bubble or something?

Same can be said for single and married gals.  If you feel that sex is the main thing a woman can offer you, than mayhaps it be best for you not to marry (I am saying this in earnest, without sarcasm).

We said he needed a hug, and love and stuff.  Why are you equating that with sex?  He needs a hug because he has poor self-worth.

Message Edited by IWentThere on 08-26-2006 11:01 PM

08-26-2006 10:57 PM

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Anti_Feminist
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Anti_Feminist

I note you have to take my argument out of context in order to refute it. I was pointing out that shame tactics involving assumptions on people personal live are pointless due to there being completely untrue. by sex I meant all inclusive, maybe I should have considered the language gap between men and women a little better before I posted but the point remains, you cant prove he is in any way unhugged or unloved either. Or that he or I go without anything relationships offer. Now I myself choose to go without female love and companionship (Marriage) because female greed, bigotry, selfishness and arrogance massive detract from and overshadow both. Coupled with massive legal gender bias and men like myself of which there are many simply conclude you as people are not worth the effort and you only become useful as sex objects.

08-27-2006 12:18 AM

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leeraconteur
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leeraconteur

Marriage used to be slavery.  Now it doesn’t have to be, thanks to feminism.  Try to wrap your head around that.

Marriage was never slavery, and by 1900 there was nothing close to it in the popular conception of marriage.  This was decades before the modern post WWII Feminist movement.  Liberalisation of marriage laws and customs had nothing to do with Feminism, except for the creation of No-Fault Divorce (which should be referred to by its proper name:  Unilateral Divorce).

Feminism was about equality until 1980 or 1985, then it morphed into fullblown Female Superiority.  Couple that with pervasive laws to correct alleged past inequities, and Females have a place of total priviledge in this society.

Unfortunately most of them perceive their situation to be one of oppression, low wages and limited career options.

08-27-2006 12:32 AM

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IWentThere
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IWentThere

Bwahahahaha!  Oh. . .you’re being serious.

I note you have to take my argument out of context in order to refute it. I was pointing out that shame tactics involving assumptions on people personal live are pointless due to there being completely untrue. by sex I meant all inclusive, maybe I should have considered the language gap between men and women a little better before I posted but the point remains, you cant prove he is in any way unhugged or unloved either.

No, you needed to consider the language gap between you and normal society.  The phrase “Aww – so-and-so needs a hug”, is generally a sarcastic statement meaning the person in question is a victim of their own low self-worth.  This is used by sarcastic people; men and women alike.

Now I myself choose to go without female love and companionship (Marriage) because female greed, bigotry, selfishness and arrogance massive detract from and overshadow both. Coupled with massive legal gender bias and men like myself of which there are many simply conclude you as people are not worth the effort and you only become useful as sex objects.

Sounds like someone recently got either dumped or turned down hardcore.  Bitter much?  Well, from the sounds of you, on behalf of all women everywhere I thank you.  You can be a one-nighter for us single sisters.

Craimore?

08-27-2006 12:34 AM

Re: I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.
hayfever
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hayfever
Actually, historically there was a division among feminists about the issue of freedom with regards to sexuality. Many feminists felt that “free love” benefitted men, and therefore should be avoided. Actually, that was the sort of litmus test applied to these kinds of quandries, “Who recieves the benefits?”

I don’t think marriage is no longer slavery for many women because men have changed. They are feminists as well, and find it tedious, boring, unsexy and amoral to have a wife who resents him because she is subjugated to his will.

Some women and men like this arrangement, however, and lucky for them they can have that relationship as well.

“Feminist” is not the dirty word. Being a feminist is a recognition that society is affected by gender, and that there is inequality in many sectors of culture and society based purely on gender. The Feminist Movement has many branches each with its’ own social and political goals. Feminism has come through several “waves”–I think we are in the 3rd wave now. I think the face of feminism today is about being positive role models, it is about finding balance in life among family, career and personal goals, it is about maintainting goals achieved by feminists past, and it is about assessing and supporting a social and political climate that allows these goals to be realized.

So, go ahead and attack contemporary women using outdated issues and political slogans–but they don’t make you look very smart. Wikipedia has good info about feminism–you should check it out.

08-27-2006 01:21 AM

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singletxwoman
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singletxwoman
The same can’t be said about women whose attractiveness to the other sex diminishes rapidly after 30.

Wow, I’ve seen a lot of women in Hollywood (and in real life) who are very attractive past their 30s. I’ve also seen both attractive and unattractive men who are past their 30s. To suggest that women past their 30s are unattractive is just plain rude!

Oh, and btw, I’m 30. And I date men. Hmmm…I guess they didn’t know your little “fact” above.

08-27-2006 01:51 AM

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singletxwoman
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I’m not trying to change your mind. That would require that you had one to begin with. I make no such assumption.
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And another childish personal remark.

When you post things like this, you just continue to prove me right.

Thank you for doing my work for me. Enjoy your “exciting” Saturday night.

I think that we are getting a little rude at this point. If you don’t want a career woman, don’t have one. It is your right. There’s plenty of guys who do want career woman (I don’t think I know of any guy that doesn’t, but maybe that’s just my crowd.) Let’s not go to this level.

08-27-2006 01:54 AM

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Re: I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.
Xasthur_Within
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Xasthur_Within

hayfever wrote:
“Feminist” is not the dirty word. Being a feminist is a recognition that society is affected by gender, and that there is inequality in many sectors of culture and society based purely on gender. The Feminist Movement has many branches each with its’ own social and political goals. Feminism has come through several “waves”–I think we are in the 3rd wave now. I think the face of feminism today is about being positive role models, it is about finding balance in life among family, career and personal goals, it is about maintainting goals achieved by feminists past, and it is about assessing and supporting a social and political climate that allows these goals to be realized.

So, go ahead and attack contemporary women using outdated issues and political slogans–but they don’t make you look very smart. Wikipedia has good info about feminism–you should check it out.

Feminism was always about female priviledge over men. Don’t kid yourself. Men have responsiblities, women have choices. Women have reproductive choice—abortion or go to full term. Men have no say so, and can be forced to pay CS via state coercion, even facing jail time.

If women want REAL equality, let them fight their own battles, both figuratively and literally.

Any woman have to register for the draft lately?
Any American women dying en mass over in Iraq?
Any American woman worry about dying far earlier than their male counterparts (on average)?
Any American woman spend more time in jail (on average) than men for the exact same crime?

I could go on, but that’s a start for now.

Feminism is a sham that places the needs of women above men’s at the latter’s expense.

Anyone believing otherwise has some investigating to do.

Message Edited by Xasthur_Within on 08-27-2006 02:14 AM

08-27-2006 02:10 AM

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sunhawk
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sunhawk

Feminism was always about female priviledge over men. Don’t kid yourself. Men have responsiblities, women have choices. Women have reproductive choice—abortion or go to full term. Men have no say so, and can be forced to pay CS via state coercion, even facing jail time.

If women want REAL equality, let them fight their own battles, both figuratively and literally.

Any woman have to register for the draft lately?
Any American women dying en mass over in Iraq?
Any American woman worry about dying far earlier than their male counterparts (on average)?
Any American woman spend more time in jail (on average) than men for the exact same crime?

I could go on, but that’s a start for now.

Feminism is a sham that places the needs of women above men’s at the latter’s expense.

Anyone believing otherwise has some investigating to do.

Message Edited by Xasthur_Within on 08-27-2006 02:14 AM

Not all countries have the draft nor are they involved in a prolonged and unwarranted military assault on another country. I don’t believe women OR men should be forced into involvement in such things.

Men statistically earlier than women for health reasons which can hardly be blamed on women or anyone other than the individual. Statistically, women visit the doctor more often than men, which is their own decision.

Men spend more time in jail because they, again statistically, commit more serious crimes than women do. What crimes are you speaking of that both men and women commit?

08-27-2006 02:21 AM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

Xasthur_Within wrote:
Men have responsiblities, women have choices. Women have reproductive choice—abortion or go to full term. Men have no say so, and can be forced to pay CS via state coercion, even facing jail time.
This is an injustice that must be corrected.  I agree.  There should be a period of time (equal to that during which a woman can abort) during which a man can simply divest himself of any responsibility for parenting a child.  Then the type of unscrupulous woman who would use a child as a way to acquire income and stability would be SOL.

Every child should be a wanted child.  That includes “wanted” by their fathers.

Any woman have to register for the draft lately?
Lobby what is almost certainly your congressman.

Any American woman worry about dying far earlier than their male counterparts (on average)?
That’s a downside of having a Y chromosome.  No amount of feminism or male privilege will change it.  Everything has its downside.

Any American woman spend more time in jail (on average) than men for the exact same crime?
Again, where true, this is an injustice that must be remedied.  It does not, however, have anything to do with feminism.  I’m quite sure this practice existed long before feminism did.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-27-2006 02:23 AM

08-27-2006 02:22 AM

Re: I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.
Xasthur_Within
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Xasthur_Within

Marta2003 wrote:

Xasthur_Within wrote:
Men have responsiblities, women have choices. Women have reproductive choice—abortion or go to full term. Men have no say so, and can be forced to pay CS via state coercion, even facing jail time.

This is an injustice that must be corrected.  I agree.  There should be a period of time (equal to that during which a woman can abort) during which a man can simply divest himself of any responsibility for parenting a child.  Then the type of unscrupulous woman who would use a child as a way to acquire income and stability would be SOL.

Every child should be a wanted child.  That includes “wanted” by their fathers.

Any woman have to register for the draft lately?

Lobby what is almost certainly your congressman.

Any American woman worry about dying far earlier than their male counterparts (on average)?

That’s a downside of having a Y chromosome.  No amount of feminism or male privilege will change it.  Everything has its downside.

Any American woman spend more time in jail (on average) than men for the exact same crime?

Again, where true, this is an injustice that must be remedied.  It does not, however, have anything to do with feminism.  I’m quite sure this practice existed long before feminism did.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-27-2006 02:23 AM

-Women get better treatment in being jailed for a crime. Feminism may not have been a part of this in the beginning, yet feminist myth claims that women are punished more (which is not true, generally).

-There are men who live roughly the same length of time in other cultures and time periods. Having a Y chromosome is only a correlative agent, not a direct indication of longevity. Even in some places on the globe, currently, this holds true, but why is it different in America?

-Every lawsuit against the draft by an individual man has been slapped down. I could be wrong about this, but I’m even pro boxer Ali served time simply because he was against it. How can a working class man hope to win on moral objections alone?

However, I actually do agree with you on the fact that women use and exploit men in various situations about having children (lying about paternity/paternity fraud, lying about birth control, using benefits for her instead of the child, and what not).

Message Edited by Xasthur_Within on 08-27-2006 03:12 AM

08-27-2006 03:07 AM

Re: I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.
Marta2003
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Marta2003

Xasthur_Within wrote:
-Women get better treatment in being jailed for a crime. Feminism may not have been a part of this in the beginning, yet feminist myth claims that women are punished more (which is not true, generally).
I’ve been a feminist for going on 18 years now, and I’ve never heard ANY feminist assert that women are more harshly punished, or punished more often.

-There are men who live roughly the same length of time in other cultures and time periods. Having a Y chromosome is only a correlative agent, not a direct indication of longevity. Even in some places on the globe, currently, this holds true, but why is it different in America?
My comparatively extensive knowledge of biology tells me otherwise.  Where men live as long as women, it is typically the result of an artificially depressed lifespan for all, or as a result of maternal death during childbirth, which skews the statistics.  If your average woman dies at 50, of course the men may live that long.  However, in societies where adequate health care and health promotion aren’t a factor, men will always die about 7-8 years younger than women.  Scientists believe it is due to a number of factors, including but not limited to, the protective quality of estrogen, the greater tendency of women to visit healthcare providers, and the tendency of men to actively seek out high stress/risk situations.

However, I actually do agree with you on the fact that women use and exploit men in various situations about having children (lying about paternity/paternity fraud, lying about birth control, using benefits for her instead of the child, and what not).
Some women do this.  It is awful when they do.  I think they should be exiled and their children taken from them.  Ugh.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-27-2006 03:18 AM

08-27-2006 03:18 AM

Re: I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.
Xasthur_Within
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Xasthur_Within

Marta2003 wrote:

Lobby what is almost certainly your congressman.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-27-200602:23 AM

Which women also voted for, BTW. And as I mentioned, Congress doesn’t exactly have American men’s rights as a priority piece, does it?

08-27-2006 03:19 AM

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Xasthur_Within
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08-27-2006 03:21 AM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

I can’t see your last post.  Wacky.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-27-2006 03:23 AM

08-27-2006 03:23 AM

Re: I don’t understand why the feminists are upset.
Xasthur_Within
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Xasthur_Within

Marta2003 wrote:

Xasthur_Within wrote:
-Women get better treatment in being jailed for a crime. Feminism may not have been a part of this in the beginning, yet feminist myth claims that women are punished more (which is not true, generally).

I’ve been a feminist for going on 18 years now, and I’ve never heard ANY feminist assert that women are more harshly punished, or punished more often.

-There are men who live roughly the same length of time in other cultures and time periods. Having a Y chromosome is only a correlative agent, not a direct indication of longevity. Even in some places on the globe, currently, this holds true, but why is it different in America?

My comparatively extensive knowledge of biology tells me otherwise.  Where men live as long as women, it is typically the result of an artificially depressed lifespan for all, or as a result of maternal death during childbirth, which skews the statistics.  If your average woman dies at 50, of course the men may live that long.  However, in societies where adequate health care and health promotion aren’t a factor, men will always die about 7-8 years younger than women.  Scientists believe it is due to a number of factors, including but not limited to, the protective quality of estrogen, the greater tendency of women to visit healthcare providers, and the tendency of men to actively seek out high stress/risk situations.

However, I actually do agree with you on the fact that women use and exploit men in various situations about having children (lying about paternity/paternity fraud, lying about birth control, using benefits for her instead of the child, and what not).

Some women do this.  It is awful when they do.  I think they should be exiled and their children taken from them.  Ugh.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-27-2006 03:18 AM

Concerning health matters when men don’t live as long as women, you would realize that more funding and healthcare provisions is geared towards American women (breast and ovarian cancer, as opposed to prostrate or testicle cancer), which is a prime example.

High risk behavior is linked to genetics, but doesn’t relay a definitive cause. While it is true that women (in this culture) will generally seek out medical assistance more quickly than men, this isn’t just based on sex differences, solely. Men are often expected to “suck it up” and deal with pain.

Abusive elements (alcoholism, drug use, cigarettes, exposure to hazardous situations, chemicals, tools, equipment, dangerous jobs) also contribute to male morality rates in this culture.

Imbalances in estrogen can also be linked to various health problems in women. With your knowledge of biological functions, you should be aware of that.

As far as your claim that feminists don’t state women are given heavier sentiences, I KNOW people in the workplace that have made these statements openly. One of them was actually a proud ‘male feminist’ as well, so I’m surprised you’ve never heard the sentiment.

08-27-2006 03:32 AM

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Marta2003 wrote:

I can’t see your last post.  Wacky.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-27-2006 03:23 AM

Just pressed the wrong button. Crap.

08-27-2006 03:35 AM

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Xasthur_Within
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Marta2003 wrote:

Some women do this.  It is awful when they do.  I think they should be exiled and their children taken from them.  Ugh.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-27-200603:18 AM

Again, believe it or not, I’m not at odds with you here.

08-27-2006 03:39 AM

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Marta2003
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Xasthur_Within wrote:
Concerning health matters when men don’t live as long as women, you would realize that more funding and healthcare provisions is geared towards American women (breast and ovarian cancer, as opposed to prostrate or testicle cancer), which is a prime example.
That’s a result of market forces, not feminism.

High risk behavior is linked to genetics, but doesn’t relay a definitive cause. While it is true that women (in this culture) will generally seek out medical assistance more quickly than men, this isn’t just based on sex differences, solely. Men are often expected to “suck it up” and deal with pain.
As a nurse, my experience isn’t that men are trying to be stoic, they just don’t like to be exposed, prodded and vulnerable.  They see it as humiliating to convey such personal information.  Who knows if it’s nature or nurture; it’s a problem that can and should be addressed.

Imbalances in estrogen can also be linked to various health problems in women. With your knowledge of biological functions, you should be aware of that.
What does that have to do with women’s longer life expectancy, though?

As far as your claim that feminists don’t state women are given heavier sentiences, I KNOW people in the workplace that have made these statements openly. One of them was actually a proud ‘male feminist’ as well, so I’m surprised you’ve never heard the sentiment.
You can tell him from me that he’s retarded.  But honestly, I’ve never heard such a thing.

08-27-2006 03:53 AM

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Marta2003
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Xasthur_Within wrote:
Concerning health matters when men don’t live as long as women, you would realize that more funding and healthcare provisions is geared towards American women (breast and ovarian cancer, as opposed to prostrate or testicle cancer), which is a prime example.
That’s a result of market forces, not feminism.

High risk behavior is linked to genetics, but doesn’t relay a definitive cause. While it is true that women (in this culture) will generally seek out medical assistance more quickly than men, this isn’t just based on sex differences, solely. Men are often expected to “suck it up” and deal with pain.
As a nurse, my experience isn’t that men are trying to be stoic, they just don’t like to be exposed, prodded and vulnerable.  They see it as humiliating to convey such personal information.  Who knows if it’s nature or nurture; it’s a problem that can and should be addressed.

Imbalances in estrogen can also be linked to various health problems in women. With your knowledge of biological functions, you should be aware of that.
What does that have to do with women’s longer life expectancy, though?

As far as your claim that feminists don’t state women are given heavier sentiences, I KNOW people in the workplace that have made these statements openly. One of them was actually a proud ‘male feminist’ as well, so I’m surprised you’ve never heard the sentiment.
You can tell him from me that he’s retarded.  But honestly, I’ve never heard such a thing.

08-27-2006 03:54 AM

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Xasthur_Within
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Marta2003 wrote:

Xasthur_Within wrote:
Concerning health matters when men don’t live as long as women, you would realize that more funding and healthcare provisions is geared towards American women (breast and ovarian cancer, as opposed to prostrate or testicle cancer), which is a prime example.

That’s a result of market forces, not feminism.

High risk behavior is linked to genetics, but doesn’t relay a definitive cause. While it is true that women (in this culture) will generally seek out medical assistance more quickly than men, this isn’t just based on sex differences, solely. Men are often expected to “suck it up” and deal with pain.

As a nurse, my experience isn’t that men are trying to be stoic, they just don’t like to be exposed, prodded and vulnerable.  They see it as humiliating to convey such personal information.  Who knows if it’s nature or nurture; it’s a problem that can and should be addressed.

Imbalances in estrogen can also be linked to various health problems in women. With your knowledge of biological functions, you should be aware of that.

What does that have to do with women’s longer life expectancy, though?

As far as your claim that feminists don’t state women are given heavier sentiences, I KNOW people in the workplace that have made these statements openly. One of them was actually a proud ‘male feminist’ as well, so I’m surprised you’ve never heard the sentiment.

You can tell him from me that he’s retarded.  But honestly, I’ve never heard such a thing.

Actually, ‘market forces’ are only a factor in health care. Government has a huge hand in it. Personally, I never heard of feminists also stating cancer that strikes men specifically as a concern, while breast and ovarian cancer are issues. I understand the latter on a personal level—my own grandmother had moderate bouts with cancer before she died at 82, and survived surgery in her 70s to live a few years more. But there is heavy emphasis on women’s health issues while this culture is slow to give credence to men’s. This is changing, but not the rate it should.

You are a nurse? Well, if I had better coverage, I’m not that shy around women. My physical therapist (which is a woman) could tell you that; she’s seen everything on me by now (and no, it’s not that type of outfit). Yes, it IS a problem, again, men’s medical problems are as important as women’s.

And yeah, the male feminist is a real person—his name is Josh, actually.

08-27-2006 04:16 AM

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sunji
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tomssh wrote:

I never said you were beneth me, though American women have for the most part turned into a giant pool of turds to choose from.

LOL…..more name calling from uptight, hysterical misogynists. I guess that’s all they have left. Sad, but entertaining at the same time

08-27-2006 09:03 AM

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SM777
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Marta2003, maybe you should have a long discussion about this subject with your wife and cease with all the posts which make you appear to be a complete idiot.

08-27-2006 01:58 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

It is obvious that he is not a man then, but another woman.  You really did switch teams didn’t you.  Good to have you on our side, the man’s side.

08-27-2006 01:59 PM

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PANDORASBOX123
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So–you just use women for……..SEX?  If women would quit lower themselves to men like you—You’d have carpol tunnel syndrome—You probably already do…

08-27-2006 02:33 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

Most women prefer men like me:  Decisive, good looking, fit, alpha males, financially successful who don’t suffer fools as you.

08-27-2006 02:48 PM

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You mean Non career women prefer men like you……

08-27-2006 03:02 PM

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Let me clarify for you, since most career women are unattractive and overweight.  Most women who are fit and attractive prefer men like me.

08-27-2006 03:45 PM

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I bet you are single…..lol—no one could be attracted to your personality…..Most career women I know work out at Gold’s Gym with me…..and they look HOT….Most SAHM—look dumpy after a while….

08-27-2006 03:57 PM

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Marta2003
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SM777 wrote:
Marta2003, maybe you should have a long discussion about this subject with your wife and cease with all the posts which make you appear to be a complete idiot.
I’m a woman.  A non-fat (5’10, 160lbs), nonugly (I modeled in my twenties) career (registered nurse) woman.  I have a boyfriend, not a wife.

As for posts making people look like idiots, yours takes the cake.  Completely out of left field, absolutely lacking in substance, and resort to ad hominem.  Oh yeah, you’re looking super brilliant there.

08-27-2006 04:41 PM

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Most career women I know work out at Gold’s Gym with me…..and they look HOT….Most SAHM—look dumpy after a while….

QFT.

My fiance is quite happy that, unlike a large number of SAHM, I won’t be packin on the pounds after we get married.

It’s funny that most of the SAHM I know let themselves go – I wonder why this is?  I know for a fact that when we have kids I will still be hittin that gym – or at least working out in my home if I can’t get out.

08-27-2006 04:56 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

It’s ok if you are chunky and fugly, I am sure you will find someone blind.

08-27-2006 05:22 PM

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Money—You didn’t mention that your girl was blind.  Who would have thought?

08-27-2006 05:56 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

I can’t help you, nor do I have an interest in you, as you are clearly over 40 and not attractive.

08-27-2006 06:26 PM

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PANDORASBOX123
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Did I bruise you male ego, money??? LMAO—I one hot babe—I would never give you a first glance.

08-27-2006 06:40 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

I am sure you are not hot.   Hot women don’t pick such obvious screen names, they are only reserved for fugly fat chicks.  No, not interested.

08-27-2006 06:58 PM

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You’re a homosexual, right?

08-27-2006 08:37 PM

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‘You’re a homosexual, right?’

You lose. This is, in gender-based arguments, the equivalent of calling someone a Nazi, the argument loser’s last desperate shot.

With remarks like these (I’m so hot, you’re a homo) you really don’t convince any man that women are intelligent. You drag us all down. Too many making posts like yours here, you are proving the men right every time you post like this. Women like you give us all a bad rep.

08-27-2006 11:02 PM

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Get some humor–lady

08-28-2006 12:17 AM

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crella
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You’re not funny. I can just imagine your reaction if someone were to ask if you’re a lesbian. It wasn’t your first remark of this ilk either. I wouldn’t like to meet you in a bad mood if this is a remark representative of your sense of humour.

Your ‘homosexual’ remark followed this:

‘Did I bruise you male ego, money??? LMAO—I one hot babe—I would never give you a first glance.’

Message Edited by crella on 08-28-2006 07:32 PM

08-28-2006 05:30 AM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

No, I just don’t like angry, fat, fugly women like you.  No man does.  Go find another victim you can take advantage of.

08-28-2006 10:00 AM

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PANDORASBOX123
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Crella–please check all the negative comments Money has made to women on this site…….He deserves it.  He states that over 40 women are useless while over 40 men only get better with age.  He was attacking me–I just let him know that I am very attractive….

08-28-2006 06:53 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

Your being over 40 is your problem.  You made your choices, now live with them.

08-29-2006 10:15 AM

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Moeny—-you are weird and lonely.  I can tell.  I actually feel for people like you.  I feel like I am speaking to a baby.  For your info. I am quite wealthy myself.  Go to China and find youself a woman.  I hope you speak to her better than you speak to people here.
I’m done corresponding to your dribble…..

08-29-2006 07:05 PM

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moneyneversleep
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I doubt you are quite wealthy, being in education doesn’t pay very well.  Ergo the only way you could be wealthy is to have fleeced a man through divorce or inheritted it.   You seem to have a problem sticking to the facts you present.

08-29-2006 07:35 PM

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