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PANDORASBOX123
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I live in a predominately Mormon community.  The basic premises behind the Mormon church is to have a minimum of 4 children.  Women are not enocuraged in the least to get an education.  There are exceptions to their golden rule, however.  Women are told that they need to stay at home and take care of their children and prepare family meals while the husband works.
Unfortunately, after the wife has had 4 children or more, she is not quite as attractive or skinny as she once was.  I have seen many men here leave their wives for younger women who do not have children.  Now these uneducated women with 4 children or more are destitute with little empathy from the ex husband because his sexual needs are being met by his new babe.
It seems that since time began, man has been in charge of what women can and cannot do.  This is the reason why the oldest profession around (PROSTITUTION)  has been allowed (by men) to continue to prosper.  It benefits the men.  It literally terrifies men to be around an educated career woman.  This threatens them.  A woman can now pick up and leave HIM and buy her own house.  Men just won’t allow themselves to really see why they want a stay at home wife.
In my community most of the Mormon women look down on career educated women—-until their husband leaves them.  Then they look up to us and admire us….It’s usually a little to late for them.  It’s sad to see them scurry around to try and catch another man to take care of them.  If they were educated, they wouldn’t have to do this.
This is why I preach to my daughter…..Get an education and a career.  Don’t rely on some man to take care of you for he might not be around when times for you get a little too tough.
Also, the ERA was not ratified due to to heavy manipulation by the Mormon church….See Sonja Johnson…

08-26-2006 07:51 PM

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tomshh
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This is the reason why the oldest profession around (PROSTITUTION)  has been allowed (by men) to continue to prosper.  It benefits the men.
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Prostitution benefits women as much, if not more, than it benefits men.

Your hopes of having “career” women, is based on the hope that the great technology of the west survives.  If the middle east can knock us down a few pegs, all you weak women will be dependent upon men to survive again.

Have fun living with that thought.

08-26-2006 07:54 PM

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Marta2003
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tomshh wrote:
Your hopes of having “career” women, is based on the hope that the great technology of the west survives.  If the middle east can knock us down a few pegs, all you weak women will be dependent upon men to survive again.

Have fun living with that thought.

This pretty much exemplifies the mental illness of the defenders of Mr. Noer’s article.  Wistfully imagining terrorism’s success, so that you can feel like a king again?  For shame.

You realize you’re more like the enemy than not, right?  Little sicko.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-26-2006 08:00 PM

08-26-2006 07:59 PM

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PANDORASBOX123
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PANDORASBOX123

Women will do fine without Neandertals like youself…..Get a life

08-26-2006 07:59 PM

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tomshh
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tomshh

This pretty much exemplifies the mental illness of the defenders of Mr. Noer’s article.  Wistfully imagining terrorism’s success, so that you can feel like a king again?  For shame.

You realize you’re more like the enemy than not, right?  Little sicko.
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Who said anything about supporting it?

I am just facing the facts, while you live in a dream land.

And yes Pandora, your inferior female mind and body will need men to survive if western technology fails.  There is nothing you can do about this, but hope the men you rely upon are nicer than you are to men right now.

Enjoy living that life, I will laugh at you

08-26-2006 08:02 PM

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PANDORASBOX123
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PANDORASBOX123

Tom—exactly what did I say that gave you the impression that I am a weak female?  I am a career woman—probably make more money than you….lol…and I have never and will never rely on a man…You really shouldn’t be so defensive and get intouch with your femmie side….I bet you are over 45…

08-26-2006 08:07 PM

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IWentThere
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IWentThere

tomshh moronically spewed out:

Prostitution benefits women as much, if not more, than it benefits men.

Wow.

That was the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life and I have lost 10 IQ points because of it.

You, sir, can go DIAF.  (That’s Die In A Fire)

08-26-2006 08:08 PM

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tomshh
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Tom—exactly what did I say that gave you the impression that I am a weak female?  I am a career woman—probably make more money than you….lol…and I have never and will never rely on a man…You really shouldn’t be so defensive and get intouch with your femmie side….I bet you are over 45…
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And this is step two of the idiot feminist work.

When facts and logic do not work for them, they turn to personal attacks.

She has no clue who I am, where I live, or what I do, but she wants to assume that she makes more money than me, and that I am over 45 years old.

A good laugh, this is why I call you weak.  Because once facts and logic disagree with you, you turn to personal attacks.

Thank you for proving my point.

Looks like the feminist idiots are moving in, this board is about to get real busy it looks like.  But feminist idiots, your time is running out.  No matter how hard you try to badger men into putting up with your BS, they are no longer going to do so.  You have already lost.  It is in your best interest to return to IVillage and cry with each other.

08-26-2006 08:12 PM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

tomshh wrote:
Who said anything about supporting it?
I didn’t.  I said you look forward to it.  No amount of spinning is going to change that.

You are ill and it shows, as illness always will.  Get help.

08-26-2006 08:12 PM

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tomshh
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tomshh

I didn’t.  I said you look forward to it.  No amount of spinning is going to change that.
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Why do you assume I am looking forward to it?

Is your mind this simple?

I just know what is coming, and preparing myself.

08-26-2006 08:14 PM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

tomshh wrote:
Looks like the feminist idiots are moving in, this board is about to get real busy it looks like.  But feminist idiots, your time is running out.  No matter how hard you try to badger men into putting up with your BS, they are no longer going to do so.  You have already lost.  It is in your best interest to return to IVillage and cry with each other.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call delusions of grandeur.  They are the hallmark of little people and the mentally ill.

08-26-2006 08:14 PM

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PANDORASBOX123
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PANDORASBOX123

Tom–who is attacking who?…lol….and that must mean that I am right.

08-26-2006 08:15 PM

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PANDORASBOX123
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PANDORASBOX123

Marta—-you are a GOOD Girl!!!!!wink

08-26-2006 08:18 PM

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IWentThere
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Ok tomshh.  I’ll bite.

Apparently you are using the argument of logic here to make an attempt at strengthening your stance.

If you are going to make a statement such as “prostitution benefits women as much as, if not more than, it does men”, please back this up with logical reasoning.

I await with baited breath.

08-26-2006 08:21 PM

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tomshh
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tomshh

If you are going to make a statement such as “prostitution benefits women as much as, if not more than, it does men”, please back this up with logical reasoning.
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Easy (though it might be too difficult for you, since you think this is so “crazy”)….

Both the man and the woman feel degraded through the act.  The woman for the fact that she is, well, a whore.  But the man for the feeling that the only way he is worthly of getting laid, is by resorting to paying direct money for it.

But in the end, the woman ends up with some good money, and the man goes away with less money.

Hmmm, not too difficult.  Now I expect the “feelings”, wait, I thought you feminists said women were equal to men.  So that doesn’t hold water.

Not too difficult.

08-26-2006 08:44 PM

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sunhawk
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sunhawk
Easy (though it might be too difficult for you, since you think this is so “crazy”)….

Both the man and the woman feel degraded through the act. The woman for the fact that she is, well, a whore. But the man for the feeling that the only way he is worthly of getting laid, is by resorting to paying direct money for it.

But in the end, the woman ends up with some good money, and the man goes away with less money.

Hmmm, not too difficult. Now I expect the “feelings”, wait, I thought you feminists said women were equal to men. So that doesn’t hold water.

Not too difficult.

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In strictly monetary terms, what you are saying is accurate. But there are more factors involved than simply money. The risks and dangers women in the sex trade encounter on a regular basis is generally not, by any means, compensated by the money they make per john.

08-26-2006 08:51 PM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

tomshh wrote:
But in the end, the woman ends up with some good money, and the man goes away with less money.

So I assume you’re against capitalism then, in which money is exchanged for services?  That’s not a fair exchange, because one person ends up with money and the other has a service which often is of no more value than what a prostitute offers?

Again, you’re ill.  Get help.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-26-2006 08:55 PM

08-26-2006 08:54 PM

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tomshh
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tomshh
In strictly monetary terms, what you are saying is accurate. But there are more factors involved than simply money. The risks and dangers women in the sex trade encounter on a regular basis is generally not, by any means, compensated by the money they make per john.
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And as I said, all I have heard all my life is that women are equals.  The sex risk itself, eh, I will give the edge to women, so there we have it, it is even.

Women being poor whiddle victims, NO.  Not even close, as YOU wanted to be equals.

08-26-2006 08:54 PM

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tomshh
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tomshh

So I assume you’re against capitalism then, in which money is exchanged for services?  That’s not a fair exchange, because one person ends up with money and the other has a service which often is of no more value than what a prostitute offers?

Again, you’re ill.  Get help.
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<Yawn> boring, predictible.  Lets see, you went to an extreme hoping to prove a point (which you didn’t) then threw in a personal attack.

Good work, you are desperate.

Go back to Ivillage and get some new material.

08-26-2006 09:00 PM

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pattipatpat
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pattipatpat

I actually lived in what was a former whorehouse (without knowing until the johns started knocking on the door at all hours of the night, then day, lunchtime, during working hours, any time).  It wasn’t advertised the house was open for business, there was no indication that the new occupants were in the trade.  They consistently walked past a large sign, advising that the house was not what they thought it was, turn around, stay out, not what you’re looking for here!  Finally, I had to put a lock on the (high) gate.  They didn’t act too degraded about what they were about to do.  In fact, I would say they seemed somewhat keen if not positively darned near unstoppable.  And girls, they were of every type, not just obvious, slavering losers.

08-26-2006 09:04 PM

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IWentThere
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This is going to be fun:

tomshh pissed and moaned:

Easy (though it might be too difficult for you, since you think this is so “crazy”)….

Knowing that your statement is weak, you try to subvert with the old fashioned “insult and intimidate” tactic.  Nice try, but you fail.

Both the man and the woman feel degraded through the act.  The woman for the fact that she is, well, a whore.  But the man for the feeling that the only way he is worthly of getting laid, is by resorting to paying direct money for it.

Ok, this has an iota of truth to it.  However, with that said, it still doesn’t explain how women benefit more from prostitution that men do.  Let’s move on.

But in the end, the woman ends up with some good money, and the man goes away with less money.

Payment for services rendered.  It’s the typical economic scenario.  Person A has a need for a service, person B provides service.  Person A pays person B for said service.  In other words, John was horny, Jane is a whore – thusly, John pays Jane to get his rocks off and all parties are satisfied.

Hmmm, not too difficult.  Now I expect the “feelings”, wait, I thought you feminists said women were equal to men.  So that doesn’t hold water.

Huh?  I boggle at that.

So, in summary, your logic does not stand.  A woman does not benefit more from prostitution than a man does.  And we didn’t even touch on the dangers of prostitution, (ex.  drugs, violence, etc), that would make it actually less beneficial to a woman – or male prostitute.

Anyway, not too difficult, as you said.

You fail.  Nice try, though.

08-26-2006 09:13 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

God these women are idiots.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

08-26-2006 09:21 PM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

Termi0n wrote:
God these women are idiots.

Right back at ya, tough guy.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-26-2006 09:24 PM

08-26-2006 09:23 PM

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IWentThere
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IWentThere

Idiotic woman > Termi0n.  AMIRITE??!

08-26-2006 09:25 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

OH MAN GOOD COME BACKS

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

08-26-2006 09:26 PM

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tomshh
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These women are not idiots, they are just women.  They have not been put in their place, so they think it is perfectly okay to say…

“We are equals to men”

Then 5 minutes later say…

“We need special protection from men”.

They show why they are losing the battle with feminists.  They are bringing a cap gun to a shoot out.

08-26-2006 09:33 PM

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sunhawk
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sunhawk
And as I said, all I have heard all my life is that women are equals. The sex risk itself, eh, I will give the edge to women, so there we have it, it is even.

Women being poor whiddle victims, NO. Not even close, as YOU wanted to be equals.

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None of what you just said appears to respond to anything I just said. Working in a dangerous field and acknowledging that fact does not make women into victims.

08-26-2006 09:49 PM

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tomshh
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tomshh
None of what you just said appears to respond to anything I just said. Working in a dangerous field and acknowledging that fact does not make women into victims.
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Why do you assume it has to be dangerous?

It is not dangerous for the women in Vegas, or in Europe.

Hmmm, you lost your ground.

08-26-2006 09:53 PM

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sunhawk
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sunhawk
These women are not idiots, they are just women. They have not been put in their place, so they think it is perfectly okay to say…

“We are equals to men”

Then 5 minutes later say…

“We need special protection from men”.

They show why they are losing the battle with feminists. They are bringing a cap gun to a shoot out.

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What place is it that women should be put in exactly?

Woman are equal to men in many ways but not generally on a physical level. Since many men are more statistically prone to act violently against others than woman are, women need to be compensated for their lack of physical strength through protective devices or the assistance of men and other women. This is not to say that men should not also be protected. It merely acknowledges the simple fact that very few woman come out the victor during a purely physical fight.

08-26-2006 09:54 PM

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IWentThere
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IWentThere

tomshh cried:

These women are not idiots, they are just women.  They have not been put in their place, so they think it is perfectly okay to say…

“We are equals to men”

Then 5 minutes later say…

“We need special protection from men”.

They show why they are losing the battle with feminists.  They are bringing a cap gun to a shoot out.

Is your first language english?  Just curious.

08-26-2006 09:57 PM

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sunhawk
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Why do you assume it has to be dangerous?

It is not dangerous for the women in Vegas, or in Europe.

Hmmm, you lost your ground.

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Do you actually believe that working the sex trade is not dangerous? Do you have no knowledge of the serial murder of sex trade workers in British Columbia in the last ten years? The job put women in very vulnerable and unprotected positions due to social stigmata and most countries laws. Even in Hollad it is not, by any means an easy job.

08-26-2006 09:57 PM

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sunhawk
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Is your first language english? Just curious.

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This is also something that has occured to me, which some will probably assume that it is asked with ill intent.

08-26-2006 09:59 PM

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IWentThere
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This is also something that has occured to me, which some will probably assume that it is asked with ill intent.

I can see how it would appear that way.  I actually am asking in earnest.

08-26-2006 10:08 PM

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AnnG
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Talk about uncalled for.  I apologize to all for sinking to the neanderthal level.  I was kidding.  But, I think it’s time for bed.  Goodnight, all.

08-27-2006 12:20 AM

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tomshh wrote:
TAnd yes Pandora, your inferior female mind and body will need men to survive if western technology fails.  There is nothing you can do about this, but hope the men you rely upon are nicer than you are to men right now.

Enjoy living that life, I will laugh at you

Why do you assume we can’t defend ourselves? There’s plenty we can do about it. Both my very conservative father and my less conservative husband felt that there is no reason in the world why a “girl” can’t learn to fire a gun, use a knife for combat purposes, learn lethal hand-to-hand combat techniques. The only thing that keeps us from it is society’s ideas that women can’t do these things. Why not? I don’t plan to let anyone run roughshod over our country and culture, and I don’t plan to have any man defend me. My husband and I will probably be stuck defending the likes of you who talk big but don’t know jack.

08-27-2006 07:06 AM

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Pelican
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tomshh wrote:
TAnd yes Pandora, your inferior female mind and body will need men to survive if western technology fails.  There is nothing you can do about this, but hope the men you rely upon are nicer than you are to men right now.

Enjoy living that life, I will laugh at you

How interesting. The female mind, though differently wired, is certainly not weaker than the male intellect. So that seems to leave the “body” part of your equation.

I can only assume that you are implying that, when this vague destruction of society occurs, women will be bent under the rule of tyrannical men. That you will use brute physical force against us. In which case, I would certainly caution you against becoming too comfortable with the concept of women being less intelligent or less capable of retribution — did you know that the majority of poisoners are women? You seem to think that we’d try to come at you on an already uneven playing field of physicality, which is ludicrous; you don’t engage an opponent when you’re at a clear disadvantage.

You can’t unring a bell. Women adapt, and it would be very unwise for you to bank on a return of the obedient, subserviant wife. If you do manage to find someone who fits your particular bill, I suggest you be kind to her, or only eat prepackaged food and sleep with one eye open.

As for prostitutes in Europe being happily engaged in a no-risk, equal-debasement profession, I urge you to look up some sex trafficking statistics. And disease transmission statistics. And mental health statistics. Legal, monitored prostitution is one thing. The unlicensed trade is something else altogether.

Message Edited by Pelican on 08-27-2006 07:51 AM

08-27-2006 07:45 AM

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radiator
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radiator

There’s something Tommie hasn’t explained:

“Both the man and the woman feel degraded through the act.  The woman for the fact that she is, well, a whore.  But the man for the feeling that the only way he is worthly of getting laid, is by resorting to paying direct money for it.”

1) Why would men pay money for sex only to feel degraded?
2) Why don’t they find a nice woman, get married, and then have lots of free sex?  I thought that was how it was supposed to be traditionally.
3) Why is this the only way he can feel “worthy” of getting laid?  Does he have low-self-esteem?  Is he ugly?  Does he have bad hygiene?

3) To take the other approach, why should the woman feel degraded if she made good money?
4) In other words, why is it so degrading to be a whore?

I can understand, economically, why women might desperately decide to whore themselves in an economy where they have few opportunities, such as the men on this post are trying to recreate.

What I can’t logically understand is why men would deliberately degrade themselves, and PAY for it. Because, in fact, I don’t think this is all of the story at all.  Some men might feel degraded.  Others love hookers because the women are paid to make their egos feel good.  The men feel like hot shots, because they can get all the sex they want and also look down on the hooker because she NEEDS it, not because she WANTS it.  And money makes this seem like a clean, easy transaction, unlike actual relationships where you have to do some work.

08-27-2006 08:36 AM

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khankrumthebulg
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What is laughable is the insults by Career Women and Feminists. Recently Kim Gandy asked Feminists to stop attacking Stay at Home Moms. Many Career Women have opted out of the rat race, finding reality in the workplace. Men work to provide the economic means to take care of themselves and their Family if they have one. And Men are willing to work the harder, dirtier, more dangerous jobs. The “Glass Cellar” that you never hear about. That is why 94% of those who die on the job are Men. The disposable Gender.

Life is about Choices and Consequences. Women today want to be exempt from the consequences of their decisions. And need a Bogeyman to blame their faults on. So they blame all men “The Patriarchy” although the majority of Men are Drones who work for a paycheck, or Business Owners who pursue a dream.

Women thanks to Feminism have a Victimhood they must maintain. So they talk incessantly about their victim status dispite the realities of Men’s lives. Every 17 minutes a man takes his life in the US. We lose over 15,000 Men a year between 25-50 to suicide. We are 86% of Suicides.

There is in fact a new term coined for Women who leave Careers to be stay at home Moms. CHO (Chief Household Officers) for the highly educated Career Women who decide to raise their babies rather than an Au Pair or a Nanny.

08-28-2006 11:18 AM

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