Hatred Here is Shocking!


Reader Response to “Don’t Marry Career Women” – Hatred Here is Shocking!

Hatred Here is Shocking!
EnglishProf
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I have been reading this Forum over the past few days and am absolutely shocked at the bitterness and hatred towards women that has been expressed by many of the men writing.  The women described here are more interested in their careers than in raising kids, are constantly looking around in case someone better comes along, are looking to divorce and take a guy for all he’s worth, etc. etc.  I’m sorry, but this doesn’t describe any of the women I know.

In my small community in the “heartland,” I know very few people who are divorced.  Some moms work, some don’t.  Husbands and wives take care of the kids and household chores together.  Couples go to the Farmer’s Market together and fix dinner together–she makes salad, he grills.  Sometimes a woman might make more money than her husband, sometimes she won’t.  A woman’s job outside the home allows her to explore interests of her own and assist with the overall income, and she balances it well with family responsibilities.  No one here works over 40 hours per week.  Most people go to church on Sunday and believe in “love God and love your neighbor.”  Faith shapes how they see their families and marriages.  They are committed to seeing each other and their families grow, and not attempting to fit their lives and expectations in prescribed boxes.  Most people are just living their day-to-day middle-class existence, hoping to pay their bills on time and create a safe environment for their children.

I am assuming that most of the people reading this forum are interested in the business community, in their own investments, etc.  I am assuming that most are highly educated and informed (otherwise they wouldn’t be tuned in to Forbes).  So, I am looking at these bitter comments and thinking:  we have a general problem with personal ethics here.  No wonder we have WorldCom, Enron, etc.  The comments posted to this Forum indicate that many of out business leaders have no clue about what “good” is or “right behavior, or how right action is a result of right thinking.

Ethical behavior begins when you decide to treat another person as you would yourself, and to think of them as highly as you think of yourself.

So what does this mean in down-to-earth English guys?  It means that a woman was not put on this planet to serve your every need.  She is a person too, with her own hopes, dreams, and goals.  If you love her, you will want to see her nurture her goals and talents, and you will support her.  If she loves you, she will want the same for you.  If both of you are committed to the relationship, then you will work out together how responsibilities are divided and how income is earned and spent.

Want to know how to find a meaningful relationship with a good person?  Stop looking at every woman you meet as a potential date, or potential romantic partner, or potential wife.  Stop analyzing every woman you meet based on her physical appearance, or her ability to bear children, or her traditional or untraditional values.  Start looking for female friends and establish strong friendships with women.  Meet women that you have things in common with and who you respect.  Establish a friendship over the long term.  Who knows, you may find yourself someone to settle down with.  My husband did.

08-28-2006 03:23 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

Don’t be such a p*ssy.  Most men are not exhibiting hatred, rather they express trepidation and reluctance.  They are voting with their feet.  PS:  Working in the English Dept. of a college/university is not a very challenging endeavor in regards to competing careers.

08-28-2006 03:31 PM

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greatlife24
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Wow!  A calm voice of reason.  And decency.  And reasoned thinking instead of hate.

I too am surprised at the virulent attack on people who post their comments on this forum.  People just post their thoughts, and in response other people call them imbeciles, and a-holes, and dumbasses…  maybe there is something missing in terms of ethical decent behavior training in this country.

Maybe you someone taught these men that if you call people names they will shut up and you will think you won the argument?

Thank you.

08-28-2006 03:34 PM

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dflynn5656
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EnglishProf, your article ignores the problem.  So lets clear up some things  –

1.) Men don’t hate women

2.) Marriage is all about children, cause w/o them marriage is a losing proposition for a man.

3.) Traditional values and religion are what drive marriage.  If you don’t have them, don’t ask for the man to be traditional enough to want to “marry” you.

4.) The only Hate here is the feminists.  But they don’t hate men, because men don’t have the position they want.  God does.  So it is HE that they hate.  Men are just an incidental casualty of their war with God.

David

08-28-2006 03:36 PM

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aldarris
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aldarris
Yet another post that should be directed at women rather then men.

Ethical behavior begins when you decide to treat another person as you would yourself, and to think of them as highly as you think of yourself.

Are you familiar with the phrase ‘nice guys finish last’? When men treat women with respect, they get opposite in return. Same with the other points — women are the ones that do not deliver and reciprocate, not men. Perhaps you should look outside of your community, for most people in modern world live in cities.

08-28-2006 03:36 PM

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Democles
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Don’t be such a p*ssy.  Most men are not exhibiting hatred, rather they express trepidation and reluctance.  They are voting with their feet.  PS:  Working in the English Dept. of a college/university is not a very challenging endeavor in regards to competing careers.

**bleep** you are tough! Give the guy a break, he is an English Prof. after all…LOL

08-28-2006 03:37 PM

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moneyneversleep
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I couldn’t help, I am sorry.  I am an investment banker and routinely put in well over 70 hours per week and really find his carping and whining offensive.  It seems more like a ruse to make the women he wishes to sleep with happy, so they will provide him relief he is seeking.

08-28-2006 03:40 PM

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khankrumthebulg
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khankrumthebulg
Professor what Planet have you been living on? When Men express the Legal, Societal, and policy sanctions against us in an open Forum it is labeled Hate Speech? You don’t control the Speech here. And expounding the reality of our lives is information exchange. Women rarely ask Men nor do we often get the opportunity to state our side of the opinion.

Colleges and Universities are monoliths of one opinion. A Leftist Socialist opinion. Speech Codes are rigidly enforced on College Campuses and those who disagree are punished. Men are in greater numbers everywhere where freely available expousing our dissatisfaction with our current status in this culture. A culture where only one gender is asked to defend it. Where only one gender is required to register for the Selective Service System.

NOW has loudly proclaimed the equality of our Women. We have lost 37 US Women in Iraq. Out of over 2600+ US Combat Deaths. That is NOW’s idea of Equality. Where disposable Males are killed off. Getting rid of “Violent Sexual Animals” benefits Society in Feminists viewpoint. What you are seeing is a Slave Revolt. It will get louder, and much uglier. Women are desperately trying to get Men back to relationships and we are saying in greater numbers than ever NO THANKS.

Does the phrase “A Woman Needs A Man Like A Fish Needs A Bicycle” ring any bells. You are not posting to ignorant College Freshmen here. Come ready to debate with some facts or go back to the Campus lounge.

08-28-2006 03:45 PM

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Pam
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Regardless of what others have said “English Prof”, I also appreciated your thoughtful answer…(btw are you a woman or a man? I read your post as if you were a man, but your last sentence, “My husband did”, made me think you’re a woman.) In any case the rage that I’m seeing here is making me quite sad, & also makes me wonder how my husband & I made it through 37 years!!–Pam

08-28-2006 03:50 PM

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AngryMuppet
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It’s not hatred…

…it’s fear.

08-28-2006 03:54 PM

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EnglishProf
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Some of you guys are hilarious!  You didn’t even read my posting carefully.  By your responses you imply that you think I am a man writing.  I am a woman.

And by the way, if you think the job of an English professor is not very demanding, then you don’t know a thing about academia.  Right now, my career has moved into higher-ed admin–so I know a thing about careerism.

Thank God I spent my 20s pursuing a Ph.D. rather than a husband.  I was the nerdy girl whom most of you guys wouldn’t have even noticed.  When I did date, I got tired of hearing that I wasn’t pretty enough, or sexy enough, or didn’t wear tight enough clothes, or blah, blah, blah.  But that’s what you get in big urban centers where everything is about “the look,” even human relationships.  I just wanted a nice guy.  Thank goodness I found him in my 30s.

08-28-2006 03:56 PM

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DontMarryNoer
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DontMarryNoer

aldarris wrote:
Yet another post that should be directed at women rather then men.

Ethical behavior begins when you decide to treat another person as you would yourself, and to think of them as highly as you think of yourself.

Are you familiar with the phrase ‘nice guys finish last’? When men treat women with respect, they get opposite in return.

You ever hear of Nice Guy Complex? Where the guy believes it is about him being “nice”, but inr eality he just feels entitled to get her into bed simply because he acted as a friend to her?

khankrumthebulg wrote:
Professor what Planet have you been living on? When Men express the Legal, Societal, and policy sanctions against us in an open Forum it is labeled Hate Speech? You don’t control the Speech here. And expounding the reality of our lives is information exchange. Women rarely ask Men nor do we often get the opportunity to state our side of the opinion.

Colleges and Universities are monoliths of one opinion. A Leftist Socialist opinion. Speech Codes are rigidly enforced on College Campuses and those who disagree are punished. Men are in greater numbers everywhere where freely available expousing our dissatisfaction with our current status in this culture. A culture where only one gender is asked to defend it. Where only one gender is required to register for the Selective Service System.

NOW has loudly proclaimed the equality of our Women. We have lost 37 US Women in Iraq. Out of over 2600+ US Combat Deaths. That is NOW’s idea of Equality. Where disposable Males are killed off. Getting rid of “Violent Sexual Animals” benefits Society in Feminists viewpoint. What you are seeing is a Slave Revolt. It will get louder, and much uglier. Women are desperately trying to get Men back to relationships and we are saying in greater numbers than ever NO THANKS.

Does the phrase “A Woman Needs A Man Like A Fish Needs A Bicycle” ring any bells. You are not posting to ignorant College Freshmen here. Come ready to debate with some facts or go back to the Campus lounge.

NOW does not control the war in Iraq. In fact, I believe they oppose it. It is powerful men who keep women out of combat and send young men to die for what another man decided. Sounds like you read too much Warren Advocates-Incest-of-Young-Girls-and-Feels-Entitled-To-Bed-Yound-Women-Who-Don’t-Want-Him Farrell.

08-28-2006 03:57 PM

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operachic
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Thank you for your thoughtful response to such bile….

08-28-2006 03:58 PM

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Pritha
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MoneyNeverSleep…hmm, a sexist investment banker, wow..how original!

Is there some factory in the depths of hell that people like you come out of..perhaps from an assembly line of some sort?? Your ignorance is clearly demonstrated by insulting someone else’s career, especially that of a teacher. If you knew how terrible America’s education system was due to the shortage of professors and teachers, you would think twice before you said something that stupid.

To all of you fearful and ignorant men: I understand. You’re scared, you no longer live in a world where your most fearless competitor is the guy sitting next to you, now you have to compete with the fearless girl sitting on the other side of you. Before, you made all the money, you had something to offer, a woman was just there to first: exude sexuality, then marry you, have your children, put up with your irritating parents..and that made you feel like a man..a real man..a man’s man. Now, you live in a world, where the job market requires you to actually compete with competent, capable women who are not afraid of their sexuality, they are not trying to hide it and ridiculously so..they are actually getting PAID as much as you are. What nonsense is this?! So now what do you do? But of course..you do what you’ve always done since the dawn of time: you demonize women. Before you used to call them “whores” for trying to be your equal, now you call them “selfish, self-centered bitches.” Let’s see if it works.

08-28-2006 04:08 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

So you are a chick, shut it.  Don’t comment about issues you know nothing about, especially posing as a man, unless of course you have **bleep** envy.  Shut it.

08-28-2006 04:11 PM

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khankrumthebulg
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Feminists are Frauds. Real Oppression of Women happens in the Third and Fourth World. Women in Central Asia and the Middle East know what real Oppression is about. Phyliss Chessler knows she was a Married wife in Afghanistan. Feminists ignore the Clash of Cultures and want us to believe if we withdraw from the Middle East and Central Asia and adopt an Isolationist policy it will make us safe. They ignore centuries of history.

Two Jehovah’s Witnesses were behead in the Phillippines last week. A mother and her Son. Jehovah’s Witnesses are Pacifists. Buddhist Monks have been murdered in Thailand. Christian Girls beheaded in Indonesia. If you wish to inform yourself of the issues of Ground Combat, I suggest you read some of the documents on the website The Center For Military Readiness. The Phillippines withdrew from Iraq. Thailand has no Troops in Afghanistan or Iraq.

http://cmrlink.org/WomenInCombat.asp?docID=219

http://cmrlink.org/WomenInCombat.asp?docID=65

Oh Nice touch on the Warren Farrell is a Pedophile nonsense. More shaming language and insults rather than addressing the arguements.

Message Edited by khankrumthebulg on 08-28-2006 08:37 PM

08-28-2006 04:12 PM

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EnglishProf
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EnglishProf

MoneyNeverSleeps writes:
So you are a chick, shut it.  Don’t comment about issues you know nothing about, especially posing as a man, unless of course you have **bleep** envy.  Shut it.”

I did not disguise my gender.  YOU didn’t read my post accurately.  I hope to God you aren’t the one managing my mutual funds.

Oh, by the way . . . my husband is a professor too, and works on average 70-80 hours per week.  He probably makes a fraction of what you make per year.  So, according to you, how much money one earns makes him a p***?  What a little creep you are!

And don’t you dare tell me to shut it.  After all, I’m responsible for teaching the next generation–and hopefully I will do a better job than the individuals who taught you.

I’d like to hear from people on this forum who have *real* jobs–not the high-flying Wall Street types.

08-28-2006 04:18 PM

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onesweetheart
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Moneyneversleep: HOW DARE YOU!!! You are a complete a-hole, behaving like that!! Is that the best you can do?!?! You don’t like what a women has to say, so you tell her to “shut it”!!! If you are married, I pity your wife and forewarn that she will leave you sorry butt. May you be a women in your next life with a husband just like you. Then you might get a clue!

08-28-2006 04:21 PM

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DontMarryNoer
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DontMarryNoer

Feminists ignore the Clash of Cultures and want us to believe if we withdraw from the Middle East and Central Asia and adopt an Isolationist policy it will make us safe.

Hahahahahaha!

Oh Nice touch on the Warren Farrell is a Pedophile nonsense. More shaming language and insults rather than addressing the arguements.

You didn’t make an “argument”, rather an incoherent rant of scatter-shot issues. You can start by not using “shaming language” against the straw-feminists.

08-28-2006 04:22 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

Typical english prof:   fat fugly chick.  Insecure and useless.

08-28-2006 04:26 PM

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Democles
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Typical english prof:   fat fugly chick.  Insecure and useless.

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Message Edited by Democles on 08-28-2006 04:33 PM

08-28-2006 04:28 PM

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moneyneversleep
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Cupcake, I live in a different world than you do.  It is darwinian in nature where only the fittest and best prepared survive and thrive.  It is a meritocracy where you are rewarded based upon your abilities and your effort, not Title IX or other legislation designed to favor you based upon gender.  You get to eat what you kill.   I prefer it that way as it is the purest form of success and failure defined.  You couldn’t survive.  Nether could the english prof.  The english prof lives in a lovely little world which has nothing to do with actual performance and success is defined as publish or perish, rather than her skill as a prof/teacher.  I have my BS in EE from one of the 3 US Military Academies and a Masters in Business from Yale.  I am judged by performance.  I don’t perform, I don’t get paid.  How about you.  I don’t lie and don’t suffer fools.  The prof is a fool.  If you would have read my other postings I make too much money to get married and have a young girlfriend.  I will never marry sweet cheeks.  It is a bad investment.

08-28-2006 04:36 PM

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EnglishProf
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MoneyNeverSleeps proves one of my initial points:  men like him only look at physical appearance.  This shallowness and sense of entitlement baffle me.

I don’t care about a guy’s bank account, or where he got his degrees.  I care about his character.  You, sir, have none.  You sound very unhappy.

Message Edited by EnglishProf on 08-28-2006 04:39 PM

08-28-2006 04:36 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

Don’t confuse entitlement with achievement.  You have the sense of entitlement, I have achieved.  Outside of cushy academia you couldn’t survive.

08-28-2006 04:38 PM

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Pritha
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Pritha
fugly? My God..you’re an insult, even to men! Do me a favor man: I want you to go the bathroom and check if you have the numbers “666” etched somewhere on your scalp.

Then when you find it, I want you to look at yourself in the mirror and utter these words “I am clearly trying to make up for something that I’m lacking.” Look south and you’ll find out what it is.

Good luck Psycho!!

08-28-2006 04:43 PM

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EnglishProf
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You wanna bet?  I have worked 60-70 hour weeks in corporate America and made quite a bit of money.  I enjoyed the corporate sector and would return if it were feasible (it is not geographically–I prefer to live with my husband than have a commuter marriage).

By the way, I hope the markets are closed, because you have been on this forum for quite some time.  As have I . . . back to grading papers.

I wish you luck with your much younger woman–don’t worry, she’ll wake up someday.

08-28-2006 04:43 PM

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DontMarryNoer
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moneyneversleep wrote:
Don’t confuse entitlement with achievement.  You have the sense of entitlement, I have achieved.

Hahahahaha!

08-28-2006 04:45 PM

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onesweetheart
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Moneyneversleep:
You are without a doubt the most idiotic, childish and ridiculous person I have ever had the unfortunate experience to come across. Just because you have something hanging between you legs does not make you God, or even slightly intelligent for that matter. And the way you are behaving – it’s surprising that you are able to function in normal society. This women has a wonderful grasp of family, marriage and life; while you seem to think that if you put down a women that gives you bonus points. Grow-up!!!! Real men do not behave this way!!!! And whoever taught you otherwise had a few wires loose.  And yes I am a women – a strong, highly intelligent, happily married women!

(No doubt you will think you have the right to tell me to “shut it” also; however, as I don’t take that $!#* from anybody else, I’m sure the hell not going to take it from you! So don’t bother! Your words are like listening to a spoiled five year old brat!)

08-28-2006 04:46 PM

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Pritha
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I get it, you’re THAT guy. The guy who feels the need to recite his resume when he feels cornered? An MBA from Yale huh?? They must be giving those out for free these days…you represent a Yale MBA. Wow..I can only imagine the expression on the faces of your alumni classmates when they read the post where you used the word “fugly” to describe someone. Yes indeed, Yale does know how to crank out those quality businessmen!!

08-28-2006 04:58 PM

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khankrumthebulg
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Ladies here is a tip. When you use the prejorative insult “If you were a Real Man”, you might as well be talking in Old Aramic. We immediately see it as BS and tune you out. Life is about Choices. The author pointed out that Men who wish to maximize their Marital choices should avoid Career Women. He used stats, data, and empirical evidence to support his opinion. You are entitlted to ignore it. Many Men are adopting Mitigation Strategies. We are forced to do so. If you live near the Ocean or a River, Flood Insurance is a prudent measure.

Men are looking at their liabilites and don’t want to squander their Resources. We are realists and Stoic in our view of life. We are more linear in our thinking. One Woman pointed out that Men crave Respect from Women. What we get when we express ourselves is insults. The polar opposite of Respect. Fine, revel in your Freedoms, Independence, Careers. And Invest in Cat Food Companies. The odds are growing against you. This is not my opinion. It is peer reviewed, documented, Societal Trends.

I love the little thing in your pants comments. The postings here are the best ammunition for us. It reveals Women’s uncensored thoughts about Men and relationships. It confirms our assertions that Marriage is like playing Russian Roulette with a half Loaded Gun.

The website http://www.Fu%$edcompany.com’s Board had a posting on Men Who hate your Marriage. It grew to over a thousand pages. The Best of Craigslist also has postings about Men who bailed on Marriage. Life is about Cause and Effect. The Effects of Feminism are having an impact on our culture. Men are adapting in unexpected and unpleasant ways for Women.

08-28-2006 05:05 PM

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AngryMuppet
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khankrumthebulg wrote:
The Effects of Feminism are having an impact on our culture. Men are adapting in unexpected and unpleasant ways for Women.

Making my point yet again. You see, ladies, it’s your fault. Not a man’s fault. It’s your fault. Feminism’s fault. If we do something unpleasant to you, it’s your fault. How unseemly!

Be men! Take some goddamned responsibility for yourselves, dammit!

08-28-2006 05:08 PM

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EnglishProf
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Well, I suppose I shouldn’t lower myself to discuss further with MoneyNeverSleeps.  But the “Yale MBA” and “achievement” posts are sending me down that path:

Just for the record, I have four degrees from Ivy League institutions (3 are graduate degrees).  I’d say I have a sense of achievement.  I have also taught at-risk community college students, built houses in Central America, taught English abroad–things that mean more to me than making the next buck on the stock market.

And . . . most of my friends and colleagues certainly wouldn’t describe me as “fat” or “fugly.”  Career women can afford to take care of themselves, by the way.

Time to go home to my husband . . . I’m cooking him a gourmet meal from scratch.  Does your younger girlfriend cook for you, or does she expect to be taken out to a 5-star restaurant?

08-28-2006 05:09 PM

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Democles
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Just for the record, I have four degrees from Ivy League institutions (3 are graduate degrees).  I’d say I have a sense of achievement.  I have also taught at-risk community college students, built houses in Central America, taught English abroad–things that mean more to me than making the next buck on the stock market.

What a waste of resources when one degree can pay to feed a single family. Oh, and showing up at the construction site doesn’t count, you need to swing the hammer and do the actual work.

08-28-2006 05:16 PM

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DontMarryNoer
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AngryMuppet wrote:

khankrumthebulg wrote:
The Effects of Feminism are having an impact on our culture. Men are adapting in unexpected and unpleasant ways for Women.

Making my point yet again. You see, ladies, it’s your fault. Not a man’s fault. It’s your fault. Feminism’s fault. If we do something unpleasant to you, it’s your fault. How unseemly!

Be men! Take some goddamned responsibility for yourselves, dammit!

I think their own irony went right over their heads. It was much funnier when it isn’t pointed out to them, though. Still, not as funny as the man in complete denial of his own privledge.

08-28-2006 05:21 PM

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Pritha
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I have to say..all these derogatory postings made against women by those who would love nothing more than to lower the glass ceiling by a few hundred feet really shows how difficult is must have been for those feminists fighting for equal rights during the turn of the last century.

I’m reading what some of you people are saying and am appalled. I’m a 23 year software engineer who is also getting her MBA as a part time student. I work hard, I go to school, I love to achieve. My ambitions also involve having a family and children sometime in the future and hopefully I will be able to achieve all of that with a level-headed man who looks at me as a person rather than a baby-birthing factory.I see a lot of postings by women who want someone to look at them as a person first and foremost. An individual. The sheer simplicity of such a wish is saddening because it should be a given. Women SHOULD be looked at as individuals first, instead..I see these men, who think just because they have degrees from 5 different institutions, that that makes them knowledgeable experts at what it takes to raise a happy family and have a good marriage. Here’s an equation for you brainiacs: Education != Knowledge. “!=” for those of you who don’t know means “is not equal to” in my field of expertise.

I’m sorry if some of you guys have had experiences with women that somehow made you feel less macho or what not, but please don’t propogate your stupid philosophies on women and what they should be or shouldn’t be. Women are proving themselves to be better in academics than their male counterparts (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/31/60minutes/main527678.shtml), we’re better managers than men in corporate america(http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_47/b3708145.htm), and we keep it together at home. You can either try to beat us and eventually lose of course, or you can join us. Make a decision and stick to it, isn’t that what being a “man” is all about?

08-28-2006 05:34 PM

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rjmck
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Well, I guess we’re all agreed then…. conservative male chauvanist pigs don’t want to marry bitchy feminist sows. Who can blame any of them? Seriously, like the English prof, I’m disheartened by the level of hatred expressed by both men and women against each other in these threads. When you cut through all of the rhetoric, though, one thing seems to be emerging. American men seem to be pretty much fed up with American women — not just career women, and not just because they’re threatened, as true as that often is. But what I’m hearing here is a growing sense of anger about the way men are treated in this culture…and yes, I know, I know, women were treated badly, and continue to be treated badly, as well. But that seems to be sufficient justification for many women to treat men badly in response, a clear double standard, which feminists claim they are against. And when men raise legitimate grievances, issues that would get a serious hearing if women raised them, they’re told to “grow up, stop whining, be a man, the problem is in your pants” etc. comments which actually support the claim that many women in America are as sexist as the men.
As for the claim that men don’t want to marry career women, that is probably true for many of them, and due to the influence of what sociologists call “female hypergamy”, the tendency of women in all cultures to want to marry men whom they perceive as being superior — being wealthy, taller, older etc. Although many men may objectify women as sex objects, many women not only do the same thing (check out Chippendale dancers, for example) but also treat men as money objects. The result is that career women are now attracted to men whom they percieve to be higher on the social ladder than their husbands, and so move on. This is what many traditional men fear, and for good reason. Better not to become involved with such women in the first place. As for those “alpha males” who attract many women (check out rock stars and athletes) there is no reason to settle for one woman when so many are available. So who’s left? Mediocre men who will settle for women who don’t respect them. And so many men are left living lives of quiet desperation in which they are blamed for everything that causes their wives to be so dissatisfied with their lives as well. Welcome to American marriage in the 21st century.
So as hard as this is to hear, ladies, there are probably good reasons why many men — not just traditional ones– are deciding to avoid women, or at least avoid marriage. When you objectively assess the entire package, it’s just not worth it. And never mind the old fashioned notions of romance and love — as far as men are concerned, these are just sexist myths meant to trap men into supporting women. Liberation of women also means liberation for men, a concept, it seems, that many modern women just don’t get.

08-28-2006 06:03 PM

Re: Hatred Here is Shocking!
SM777
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SM777
“Thank God I spent my 20s pursuing a Ph.D. rather than a husband. I was the nerdy girl whom most of you guys wouldn’t have even noticed. When I did date, I got tired of hearing that I wasn’t pretty enough, or sexy enough, or didn’t wear tight enough clothes, or blah, blah, blah. But that’s what you get in big urban centers where everything is about “the look,” even human relationships. I just wanted a nice guy. Thank goodness I found him in my 30s.”

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WOW. It sounds like you have been liberated from men all of your life!

Well, what are you complaining about? You should be happy that all of those useless bicycles left you completely alone.

For the sake of young men, I thank God you spent your 20’s pursuing a Ph.D. instead of a husband too.

Congradulations! Keep up the good work!

08-28-2006 06:21 PM

Re: Hatred Here is Shocking!
PANDORASBOX123
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PANDORASBOX123

EnglishProf—I enjoyed your article.  I agree with you as well.  Keep up the good writing.  Just Ignore Moneyneversleeps.  He is very angry and bitter.  He says the most obnoxious things to women in here.  I wonder if his wife knows his views on women, if he is even married?  I feel sorry for her if he is.  She’s probably locked up in the basement barefoot and pregnant.  Just an insight…

08-28-2006 09:21 PM

Re: Hatred Here is Shocking!
PANDORASBOX123
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PANDORASBOX123

English Prof—-I know many of these men want the Stripper/Hooker looking type of women that have no intelligence.  Then they complain when she doesn’t offer much to the relationship.

These men overlook the intelligent/educated women because most of them don’t walk around with the cheeks of their bums hanging out.  Good men seek good women.  Men wanting strippers get what they deserve.

08-28-2006 09:25 PM

Re: Hatred Here is Shocking!
moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

Well, not being married, not have been married and never getting married, I don’t know why you opened your piehole to wonder what my wife thinks since I am a happily single man.  GFY.

08-28-2006 10:06 PM

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PANDORASBOX123
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PANDORASBOX123

I am a happily single man.

Are you a 50 year old virgin still living at home with mommy?

I don’t know why you opened your piehole

You are so intelligent! GFY twice

08-28-2006 10:21 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

I am just telling you to GFY since no one else will.

08-29-2006 10:02 AM

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PANDORASBOX123
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PANDORASBOX123

You’re a joke/

08-29-2006 06:55 PM

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