Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?


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Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
anonymom
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anonymom

Do fishermen (fisherpeople) have low life expectancies?

08-28-2006 07:13 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
miscwit
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Commercial fishing is one of the most dangerous jobs in the US.

08-28-2006 07:34 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
leeraconteur
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leeraconteur

Why ask me?

I didn’t post that tidbit.

Although, perhaps, the poster is alluding to the fact that being a commercial fisherman is one of the most dangerous jobs in the world.

The MOST dangerous job in the world is a Bering Sea Alaskan King Crab Fisherman.

08-28-2006 07:52 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
placidlake
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James Bond has the most dangerous job. And look where that got him.

08-28-2006 08:09 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
porkchops38
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leeraconteur wrote:
Why ask me?

I didn’t post that tidbit.

Although, perhaps, the poster is alluding to the fact that being a commercial fisherman is one of the most dangerous jobs in the world.

The MOST dangerous job in the world is a Bering Sea Alaskan King Crab Fisherman.

All this time, the women I date have been telling me that Alaskan King Crab is like an “aphrodisiac” for them. Now I see why, it’s because more men were killed bringing those Alaskan King Crab to her mouth than any other profession in the world… now that’s some food for thought, literally…

08-28-2006 08:26 PM

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placidlake
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placidlake
“ohhhhh, this crab is soooo good. I mean, i can just imagine the piles of corpses of Men! Men that captured this mighty, delicious crab! mmm, imagining those corpses makes these crabs taste even better. yummy. mmm.”

08-28-2006 08:29 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
miscwit
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miscwit

“ohhhhh, this crab is soooo good. I mean, i can just imagine the piles of corpses of Men! Men that captured this mighty, delicious crab! mmm, imagining those corpses makes these crabs taste even better. yummy. mmm.”

Yup, a feminist.

08-28-2006 08:31 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
placidlake
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haha, i doubt anyone would find their food still palatable after imagining “corpses of men”. Assuming only men captured the king-sized crab.

08-28-2006 08:33 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
placidlake
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god, people, i’m being sarcastic. do i need to make a *sarcasm* tag so people can understand?

08-28-2006 08:34 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
Pelican
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What’s the wage for that job?

08-28-2006 08:45 PM

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Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
porkchops38
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placidlake wrote:
haha, i doubt anyone would find their food still palatable after imagining “corpses of men”. Assuming only men captured the king-sized crab.

Trust me cupcake, you won’t find any women on those fishing boats in Alaska, and perhance there actually is/was a woman on those fishing boats — I’m sure no one would be able to tell that she’s a woman as their would be nothing feminine about her appearance whatsoever… LMAO

08-28-2006 08:56 PM

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MartianBachelor
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The quote was in a post by yours truly, and it was paraphrased. It should have been “When you buy fish, it’s men’s lives you buy.” The source is an unknown 19th century novelist. Maybe more research would turn up some specifics. Where’s English Prof. when you need him?

Considering how all the death professions are 95+% male, you could say the same thing about lumber, energy (coal/oil), anything that arrives by truck, anything grown on a farm, etc. Of the 343 public safety officers (firemen and policemen mostly) who died in the World Trade Center on 9/11, not one was a woman.

It is interesting how the more things don’t change the more they remain the same.

I wonder if the studies Noer cites would be quite different if women chose the same careers men did, rather than the ones following Farrell’s “Female Occupations Formula”:

1) Ability to Psychologically “Check Out” at end of day (department store clerk vs. lawyer)
2) Physical Safety (receptionist vs. fire fighter)
3) Indoors (secretary vs. garbage collector)
4) Low Risk (file clerk vs. venture capitalist)
5) Desirable or Flexible Hours (nurse vs. medical doctor)
6) No Demands to Move out of town “or else” — to “move it or lose it” (corporate secretary vs. corporate executive)
7) High Fulfillment relative to training (child-care professional vs. coal miner)
8) Contact With People in a pleasant environment (restaurant hostess vs. long-distance trucker)”

Occupations which employ more than 90 percent women almost always have in common at least seven of the above eight characteristics.

Speculations anyone?

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08-28-2006 09:00 PM

Re: It was me – I’m the guilty one…
Pelican
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I was actually just having a discussion with a programming coworker about male/female divisions. He’d just gotten back from a programming seminar and was remarking on there only being about two women there. He said, and I agree, that women are just naturally better communicators while men like more solitary and rigid work.

Looking at that list, I’d guess that part of the reason women fill those roles is that men don’t want them. Another part is that women typically have been the ones holding court at home, so they’ve looked for jobs that are more flexible and less volatile in preparation for a future home/work balance. As for some of the physical professions, women are physically not as strong as men on average — while I’d’ve liked to follow my grandfather’s footsteps and become a firefighter, I know that I’d possibly be taking the place of a guy who could haul more injured people down a flaming set of stairs. (I did become an EMT, though, which is no piece of cake in and of itself.)

Of course, there are elements of that list that are a bit variable. I’ve known waitresses who would’ve given their eyeteeth some months for a long, dark stretch of solitary highway. When the corporate world’s perception of a proper work/life balance starts to change and society stops needling working mothers, who knows, maybe those ratios will shift.

While we’re at it — what is up with the American holiday leave system?! Two weeks of vacation, and that pretty much covers the winter holiday season, a few one-day breaks around the calendar, and then maybe a week off in summer when the entire family travels. That’s not enough time for a man to spend with his kids, even with a stay-at-home-mom. I’m not talking about equality for women here, either, I’m just saying that two weeks to spend with your family per year is pretty inhumane.

08-28-2006 09:16 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
placidlake
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you know, that is also up in the air, the old “women crave relationships”, “men crave individuality” sorta things.

many recent studies show there is less differences between the sexes than previously suggested.

08-28-2006 09:22 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
porkchops38
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porkchops38

placidlake wrote:
you know, that is also up in the air, the old “women crave relationships”, “men crave individuality” sorta things.

many recent studies show there is less differences between the sexes than previously suggested.

Many recent studies show that you’re more full of crap than previously suggested.

08-28-2006 09:49 PM

Things that make you go hmmmmmm…
MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor

…women are just naturally better communicators

Then why is the enduring male question “just what the hell do women want”?!
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I’d guess that part of the reason women fill those roles is that men don’t want them.

Maybe because they don’t pay enough to support a family, or romantic dates, or whatever? Though the reason they don’t pay much is because, being low-skilled for the most part, there are always plenty of applicants (lots of women but many men too) so supply/demand causes the wages to be low.

I think plenty of men would take jobs of that sort if they paid well, in accordance with notions of male privilege and all that.

Maybe the jobs are reserved for women because women are seen as more needy and deserving? I don’t know what the answer is, only that it’s but a small percentage of the male jobs (CEO, Senator, etc) that women seem to have in mind when they talk about job equity, not the **bleep** jobs.

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08-28-2006 09:51 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
placidlake
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c’mon porkchops? you up for a duel? cause that last post doesn’t sound well-rationalized. it sounds like your steaming!

08-28-2006 09:53 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
porkchops38
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porkchops38

placidlake wrote:
c’mon porkchops? you up for a duel? cause that last post doesn’t sound well-rationalized. it sounds like your steaming!

What’s this? Typical Ameriskank wants to fight a man… with her wits of course… get lost pyscho…

08-28-2006 10:20 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
placidlake
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placidlake
first of all, porkchops, get my sex right. i’m a man.

and please, get some fresh insults.

08-28-2006 10:22 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
porkchops38
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porkchops38

placidlake wrote:
first of all, porkchops, get my sex right. i’m a man.

and please, get some fresh insults.

I think it’s insulting enough that you think you’re a man.

08-28-2006 10:25 PM

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placidlake
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yeah, seriously. i was getting confused with your insult, calling my psycho this psycho that… until i realized u thought i was a girl.

sigh porkchops, so transparent.

08-28-2006 10:26 PM

Re: It was me – I’m the guilty one…
leeraconteur
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While we’re at it — what is up with the American holiday leave system?! Two weeks of vacation, and that pretty much covers the winter holiday season, a few one-day breaks around the calendar, and then maybe a week off in summer when the entire family travels. That’s not enough time for a man to spend with his kids, even with a stay-at-home-mom. I’m not talking about equality for women here, either, I’m just saying that two weeks to spend with your family per year is pretty inhumane.

The U.S. is very productivity oriented.  We have always had this very nose to the grindstone work ethic, brought over by Puritans and assorted religious throwaways.

It is what took us from nowhere to #1 in GDP in 150 years flat.

One of the sacrifices is that we get, at best, two weeks holiday.  Most workers get one week.

I know, I know.  Everyone in Europe, over the pond and Downunder are aghast right about now that is reading this.

This has nothing at all to do with women, men or feminism.  It simply reflects the priorities of Americans.  Work, work work.

There are ways around this.  One is to temp work and take off a month every 6 months.  Another is to take off a month when starting a new job.

What would happen if you insist on, say 4 weeks Holiday?
-Most employers wouldn’t pay for it.  Why should they?  Are you producing while sitting on a beach?
-Most employers wouldn’t go for it.  They need you to produce.  Who will take your place?
-If they hire someone to fill in for you, what’s to say that person won’t take your job?
-It would raise costs.

08-28-2006 10:35 PM

Re: Things that make you go hmmmmmm…
Marta2003
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MartianBachelor wrote:
Maybe because they don’t pay enough to support a family, or romantic dates, or whatever?
Being a registered nurse does, let alone a nurse practitioner.  Still, men stay away in droves.

Though the reason they don’t pay much is because, being low-skilled for the most part, there are always plenty of applicants (lots of women but many men too) so supply/demand causes the wages to be low.
Again, not so of nurses.

I don’t know what the answer is, only that it’s but a small percentage of the male jobs (CEO, Senator, etc) that women seem to have in mind when they talk about job equity, not the **bleep** jobs.
That depends on how you define “**bleep**.”  Just like any other job, being a nurse has its ghastly parts and its good bits.  Ghastly including wounds the size of a basketball, bed baths of incontinent patients, and dealing with families that are full of assholes.

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-28-2006 10:50 PM

08-28-2006 10:50 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
porkchops38
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placidlake wrote:
yeah, seriously. i was getting confused with your insult, calling my psycho this psycho that… until i realized u thought i was a girl.

sigh porkchops, so transparent.

Telling a psycho that they are psycho is not an insult. It was meant to help you realize that you are a psycho and in need of professional help.

You thinking you are a man, that is insulting. Are we clear now? I thought so, good.

08-28-2006 10:54 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
placidlake
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placidlake
heh, porkchops, what u don’t realize is that there is a group of us composing these responses. cheers

08-28-2006 11:02 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
porkchops38
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porkchops38

placidlake wrote:
heh, porkchops, what u don’t realize is that there is a group of us composing these responses. cheers

I’m well aware that psychos often have mulitple personality disorder, in the past I’ve dated a few good-looking women that had it, they got help for it, and that’s why I suggested you do likewise.

08-28-2006 11:25 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
placidlake
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placidlake
yeah, i was just about to say. that group consists of me, myself, and i. talk about an unoriginal joke.

but boy porks, you don’t give up easily. i really want the last post to this conversation. just let me have it… please?

08-28-2006 11:27 PM

Re: Things that make you go hmmmmmm…
MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor

…Still, men stay away in droves.

I don’t know what the answer is. I see the same thing in elementary school education. Especially with all the single-mom kids, many don’t have a real male authority figure in their lives until they’re at least well into junior high.

Maybe the ads I see on TV for the 2 year colleges need to feature male models more rather than the stereotypical female ones for the entry-level health care services programs. I mean, they show women becoming criminal justice and homeland security types. Maybe the shows like ER need a plotline where the female doc falls for the male nurse (but please not a George Clooney pretty-boy) — and then gets in a big heap o trouble over a sexual harrassment charge. Just kidding. Maybe the nursing programs of the 4 year variety need special scholarships and the like for men, just like there are special incentives for women to go into math/science programs. Maybe when a field is or becomes female-dominated men avoid it like the plague because masculinity is always suspect — as in, the pressure to always show you’re a “real man” as opposed to whatever options there are (“unreal man”, “fake man”, ??).

I’ll have to ask my MD sister if she has any theories on this since she’s way closer to that world than I am. Right now she’s in a hospital in Singapore, which is traditional Asian patriarchal, and so she’s mentioned being mistaken for being (merely) a nurse, not being taken seriously (she was at Yale Medical for a few years), etc. The upside of her couple of years there is she appreciates the much more liberal attitudes here in the US a whole lot more after having lived there. (The downside is my 10 year-old niece has picked up all the mannerisms and some of the look of a delicate little asian princess, but that’s another story…) But they’re coming back here in the next couple of months so I’ll have to remember to ask.

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08-28-2006 11:45 PM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

Yes, sfb, only men work in Bering Sea and northern pacific on the fishing vessels.  Get a clue.

08-29-2006 09:55 AM

Re: Leeraconteur– What does “when you eat fish, it’s men’s lives you consume” mean?
khankrumthebulg
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Underground mining, Lumberjacks, Deep Sea Commercial Diving, just a few of the “Glass Cellar” Occupations Women have zero interest in. While Women complain about lack of “Glass Ceiling” Careers they ignore the deaths of 13 Coal Miners. Who wrote their last dying declarations of love and appreciation for their Wives and Children. Not a single Woman in this dangerous and high risk occupation. That Men do for the Wages it pays to support a Family. Only one survivor and it turns out the Emergency Equipment was defective. But is was only Men the disposable Gender.

Trouble that is no being applied to Boys. Feminists, and the American Association of University Women amongst others are waging a War against our Boys. America has become a Feminist Gulag for Men. Where Men are reduced to Wage Slaves, Sperm Donors, with the Government holding a gun to our head. Where is this headed? Look at New Zealand where the Kiwi Men dispise their Women and when educated are leaving in droves.

Want to see what is happening check out Real Estate prices in ExPatriot communities that are Male Friendly. Rapidly escalating Real Estate prices reflect Men’s desires to Leave America when they retire. I have already made inquires to retire outside the US. I have had my fill of this Gynocracy. It is all about what Women want. Men simply don’t matter. The New Bold Moves commercials by Ford Motor Company featuring a Divorced Dad paying for the Vehicle his exwife is driving is priceless.

Who is having children in the US? Anchor Babies accounted for 24% of US Births in the Last census. One in four were children of Illegal Aliens. We have the dregs of Society breeding like Rats. Decent Men are giving up on our Women in huge and growing numbers. Want to see the future of the US. Look at New Orleans Parish 80% Single Mother homes. And a massive criminal populace.

09-03-2006 03:39 PM

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