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Reader Response to “Don’t Marry Career Women” – Testimony

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
Good day to all.

I read the original article as written by Mr. Noer before it was taken down. I would slightly modify Mr. Noer’s premise: Don’t marry Feminist Career Women.

Before I go into why I take this position, some quick background.

I’m a black male, late twenties. I work full time for a government agency in my city, and I am also a Senior in College. I speak Japanese, and have travelled to Asia many times, specifically South Korea and Japan.

Enough with the small talk.

I am currently married to a Japanese woman, who recently graduated from college and currently works about 45 hours a week.

Maybe at this stage you are asking why didn’t I just marry a local American girl? And gasp! She has a job!

I’m glad you asked that question! Let me explain further.

There are three very important reasons why I married this girl.

a) She is kind.

b) She respects me as a man.

c) She is willing to work part time, or quit working all together to manage our house and take care of our children, as circumstances dictate.

The American (and British) women I dated were none of these things.

They were difficult, disrespectful, and violent.

Being with this amazing Asian woman compared with the Western women I have known is like Night and Day. There truly is no comparison.

Men, you really owe it to yourselves to take heed to Mr. Noer’s sage advice.

Don’t settle. Be more discriminating. Get out there and see what the world has to offer. Americans only make up .05% or so of the world’s population; there is no need to lock yourself in.

In this legal climate we are in, marrying incorrectly can cost you your health, your wealth, your children, and maybe your liberty. Marrying a woman that has not been poisoned by Feminism can hedge that risk.

Good luck.

08-28-2006 09:52 PM

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tomshh
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tomshh

Mamonaku,

Great share, and you speak the truth.  I have NO clue why men still marry American women, no clue at all.

Smart man.

Oh yea, so the feminists don’t have to say it (because they are lining up to do so)….

“You can’t handle a strong indepdent woman, and you are not a real man”.

While they sit in their apartment, eating ice cream out of the bucket, crying themselves asleep at night, so they can get up and drive their brand new SUV they are paying 10% interest on, and making a “career” out of sitting in a cubical.

08-28-2006 09:55 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

Awesome. Totally agree.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

08-28-2006 09:55 PM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

Mamonaku wrote:
I read the original article as written by Mr. Noer before it was taken down. I would slightly modify Mr. Noer’s premise: Don’t marry Feminist Career Women.

I am currently married to a Japanese woman, who recently graduated from college and currently works about 45 hours a week.

There are three very important reasons why I married this girl.

a) She is kind.

b) She respects me as a man.

c) She is willing to work part time, or quit working all together to manage our house and take care of our children, as circumstances dictate.
Most feminists would do the same, if it made financial sense and they trusted you.  None of this is news.

08-28-2006 09:58 PM

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SM777
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SM777
“While they sit in their apartment, eating ice cream out of the bucket, crying themselves asleep at night, so they can get up and drive their brand new SUV they are paying 10% interest on, and making a “career” out of sitting in a cubical.”
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…and, Tom, getting fatter and by the minute.

08-28-2006 09:59 PM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

SM777 wrote:
“While they sit in their apartment, eating ice cream out of the bucket, crying themselves asleep at night, so they can get up and drive their brand new SUV they are paying 10% interest on, and making a “career” out of sitting in a cubical.”
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…and, Tom, getting fatter and by the minute.
I’m a 5’10” 160lb feminist, who owns a 1993 Nissan Altima, has no credit card debt to speak of, and who works as a nurse.  I’m proud of my career.  It affords me the ability to work 36 hours a week and get paid for 40, such that if and when I decide to have children, I will have 4 out of the 5 weekdays off to do what parents do.

Could you draw a more cartoonish picture?  Ignore reality some more?

Message Edited by Marta2003 on 08-28-2006 10:04 PM

08-28-2006 10:04 PM

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SM777
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SM777
“Most feminists would do the same, if it made financial sense and they trusted you. None of this is news.”
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Horsesh*t. Most feminists hate men way too much to show respect.

My problem is that most feminists don’t hate men enough to avoid marrying them. These feminists should really stop trying to put on an appearance and marry each other.

Like you for example, Marta. Does your wife approve of you wasting all of your quality time corresponding with men on this board?

08-28-2006 10:04 PM

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Marta2003
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Marta2003

SM777 wrote:
Horsesh*t. Most feminists hate men way too much to show respect. I’ve shown you plenty of respect.  Seems like you’re the one with the problem, not me.

08-28-2006 10:05 PM

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SM777
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SM777
Uh-huh. Is that your wife calling you? Isn’t it bedtime yet?

08-28-2006 10:10 PM

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placidlake
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placidlake
c’mon sm777 something constructive

08-28-2006 10:13 PM

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SM777
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OK, OK. I guess I will leave out the comment about the Looooooove Connection.

08-28-2006 10:14 PM

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porkchops38
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porkchops38
Good deal Mamo….

If I hear one more success story of an American guy marrying a foreign woman and being happy with her, I’m buying a plane ticket overseas…

and then i’m coming back with the cutest, most petite, little sexy thang that can cook in the kitchen and in the bedroom… and live happily ever after, end of story.

08-28-2006 10:15 PM

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placidlake
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placidlake
do u live in japan now?

08-28-2006 10:17 PM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
So, Mamonaku, does she have a sister by any chance?

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08-28-2006 10:39 PM

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placidlake
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placidlake
haha, that’s what i wanted to know

08-28-2006 10:42 PM

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abarnstall
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abarnstall

I hope Mr. Noer is reading all of these posts and is very satisfied with himself for giving all of these men a forum for venting all of their very mature frustrations about their mothers, sisters, friends, co-workers, accountants, realtors, mail carriers, doctors, nurses, etc, etc, etc. I just don’t understand where all this hatred is coming from. If you have had a bad experience with a woman who called herself a feminist, then I am very sorry. But not all women and not all feminists can be wrapped up in the dark little package you present. How about if Mr. Noer said, “Don’t marry an educated woman”? Would you all agree? I just don’t get it.

08-28-2006 10:49 PM

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phatkat811
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phatkat811
Since when does “woman with career” = “feminist”?? This is what I’m not understanding at all. And does the original poster realize that he married Noer’s epitome of the career woman that he called for all men to avoid?

There are plenty of American women who are kind, respectful, and perfectly willing to compromise. Just because a woman’s career may be a priority at a stage in her life in which she doesn’t have children, that does not mean that her priorities will not shift once children are in the future.

08-28-2006 10:54 PM

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
Hi Placid,

I live in the U.S., she lives in Japan. We are doing the supaaaaaa long distance thang at the moment.

I am applying for her American visa, she is applying for my Japanese visa.

Unfortunately, because of the man unfriendly laws in the country, I do plan on moving us to Japan eventually, where the laws are more reasonable.

In Japan to divorce, both parties have to agree to it. It was like this in the U.S. as well until “No Fault” divorce came on the scene.

Please see the quote below for more info. Its rather long, but its crucial to my thinking on this issue:


http://www.profam.org/pub/fia/fia.2004.htm

As this paper will explain, the Supreme Court’s new social philosophy has aimed at nothing less than an embrace of the sexual revolution, the extinguishing of traditional marital structures, the elimination of the autonomous home, and the elevation of the state into a substitute for the family.

To grasp the scope of this revolution in marriage and family law, one must first understand the roots and nature of the original American constitutional order.

The foundations of American family law lay in the social teachings of the early Christian Fathers, who crafted the moral basis of Western Christian civilization. Legal historian Charles Reid makes a compelling case that the “mental universe” of St. Augustine actually shaped the original American jurisprudence of marriage. Writing at the end of the fourth century, A.D., Augustine faced two challenges. On the one side stood the Manicheans, a heretical sect which so focused on the spirit that they practiced total abstention from reproductive intercourse. On the other side were the pagan Romans, among whom concubinage, prostitution, and easy divorce were common. Referring to the innate “sociability” of humankind and “a natural companionship between the sexes,” Augustine defined the true “goods of marriage” as threefold: procreation, fidelity, and sacramental permanence. Rejecting both extreme ascetisin and hedonism, Augustine affirmed that “the marriage of man and woman is something good.”[8]

These principles flowed into the making of public law. The Code of Justinian and his Novella 117 appeared in 542 A.D., and together they inaugurated the formal influence of Christianity on family law in the West.[9] They portrayed the family as a voluntary covenant union of a man and a woman resting on mutual fidelity and indissolubility…

The American Founders gave special attention to the family institution. They showed, in historian Nancy Cott’s words, a “Christian common sense” in taking for granted “the rightness of monogamous marriage.” In contrast, the Founders associated polygamy with Oriental absolutism and the harem with tyrannical rule. Drawing from the Baron de Montesquieu’s Spirit of the Laws, they viewed monogamous marriage and republican governance as mirror images of each other. They reasoned that Christian monogamy and a free republic were both voluntary unions, premised on consent.[13] In this spirit, John Witherspoon, president of Princeton University and signer of the Declaration of Independence, cited “the absolute necessity of marriage for the service of the state, and the solid advantages that arise from it.”[14] John Adams was even more adamant about the importance of strong homes to the nation:

[T]he foundations of national Morality must be laid in private Families. In vain are schools, Accademies [sic] and universities instituted, if loose Principles and licentious habits are impressed upon Children in their earliest years…. How is it possible that Christians can have any just Sense of the sacred Obligations of Morality or Religion if, from their earliest Infancy, they learn that their Mothers live in habitual Infidelity to their fathers, and their fathers in as constant Infidelity to their Mothers.[15]

The first seven decades of the 20th century witnessed Supreme Court decisions that continued, in fine Augustinian fashion, to affirm the family as natural and autonomous. In 1923, the Court ruled in Meyer v. Nebraska that it was “the natural duty of the parent” to educate his child.[23] Two years later, the Supreme Court declared in Pierce v. Society of Sisters that the “child is not the mere creature of the State” and affirmed “the liberty of parents and guardians to direct the upbringing and education of children under their control.”[24] In 1944, the Court recognized that “the custody, care and nurture of the child” resided first and foremost with parents whose primary functions and freedoms “the state can neither supply nor hinder.” These formed “the private realm of family life which the state cannot enter.”[25]

Other court decisions in the mid-20th century remained faithful to the Augustinian “goods of marriage” embraced by the American Founders…. In 1957, California Justice Roger Traynor drew on the corpus of extant Supreme Court decisions and ably summarized the place of the family in American law:

The family is the basic unit of our society, the center of the personal affections that enoble and enrich human life. It channels biological drives that might otherwise become socially destructive; it ensures the care and education of children in a stable environment; it establishes continuity from one generation to another; it nurtures and develops the individual initiative that distinguishes a free people…


And this paper is absolutely right. Without the harmonious joining of male and female into a marriage covenant, we are not free, we are slaves to the State.

The sad fact is that so long as No Fault Divorce, Corrupt Child Support systems, and Sexist laws such as VAWA (Violence Against Women Act) exist, all of us, man and woman alike, have the government in our bedrooms. All it takes is one phone call, made out of spite, or anger, to destroy a family.

And coming from a people that had previously experienced Slavery for 300 plus years, it breaks my heart to see the government, once again, enslave us in the name of “Equality”.

If I may be so bold, I think that the reason that most of us Men worry so much about divorce, custody issues, and the like, is because we KNOW that the Family Law process is not there to protect us.

We know for a fact that divorce laws are unjust.

Knowing what I know, I have to make good decisions.

I will not bring children into this world that have no father, as I had no father.

I don’t want my children to be latch key kids, like I was.

I refuse for my children to be vulnerable to neighborhood thugs, or “mommy’s boyfriends” like I was.

So therefore, I had to make double **bleep** sure that I marry right. And Fortunately, I have… but I had to travel ten thousand miles to do it.

Some would say that we men would avoid “career women” out of fear… I would respond that I avoided them out of Love.

Sorry about the longwindedness, but this is where I stand on this issue.

Thanks for reading!

08-28-2006 10:55 PM

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Back2TheKitchen
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Back2TheKitchen

porkchops38 wrote:
Good deal Mamo….

If I hear one more success story of an American guy marrying a foreign woman and being happy with her, I’m buying a plane ticket overseas…

and then i’m coming back with the cutest, most petite, little sexy thang that can cook in the kitchen and in the bedroom… and live happily ever after, end of story.

Unfortunately, you can’t bring her back to America, because the Feminists have used VAWA/IMBRA which automatically makes you guilty of bringing a “sex slave” into the US. Thanks Feminists!

Besides, if you want to witness an experiment in disaster, bring a foreign woman here and watch Sh*t American Women transform her into a Feminist.

“With women or the female mindset imparted through feminization on the vast majority of society, it will be very easy to control the Empire…I mean…the republic.” – mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com

08-28-2006 10:58 PM

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abarnstall
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abarnstall

Ummmm . . . somehow I have a hard time believing that feminists have made it illegal for you to bring your Japanese wife who is over 18 years old over to the US.

08-28-2006 11:00 PM

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placidlake
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placidlake
lol @ back2thekitchen

08-28-2006 11:01 PM

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SM777
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SM777
“Unfortunately, you can’t bring her back to America, because the Feminists have used VAWA/IMBRA which automatically makes you guilty of bringing a “sex slave” into the US. Thanks Feminists!

Besides, if you want to witness an experiment in disaster, bring a foreign woman here and watch Sh*t American Women transform her into a Feminist.”
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Yes, indeed. That’s why it’s best to expatriate before getting married and once you are married, to stay out of the legal jurisdiction of Amerika.

Amerika is the best place in the world to be single though. Free sportsex is everywhere. Yep, I am grateful to the feminists for something.

08-28-2006 11:07 PM

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placidlake
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placidlake
sm777, amerika -> america
it was bothering me, and i needed to post something.

08-28-2006 11:08 PM

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porkchops38
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porkchops38

Back2TheKitchen wrote:

porkchops38 wrote:
Good deal Mamo….

If I hear one more success story of an American guy marrying a foreign woman and being happy with her, I’m buying a plane ticket overseas…

and then i’m coming back with the cutest, most petite, little sexy thang that can cook in the kitchen and in the bedroom… and live happily ever after, end of story.

Unfortunately, you can’t bring her back to America, because the Feminists have used VAWA/IMBRA which automatically makes you guilty of bringing a “sex slave” into the US. Thanks Feminists!

Besides, if you want to witness an experiment in disaster, bring a foreign woman here and watch Sh*t American Women transform her into a Feminist.

I don’t care, if I meet a girl I want overseas, then I can be happy just like Mamo found happiness. And when I bring her back to America I wouldn’t let my wife hang around any Ameriskanks or watch any feminist propaganda here like “desperatate houseskanks” or “skanks in the city”. Heck, the Muslims in America can go back to their countries and bring back their women and throw bed-sheets on them and parade them around the malls here, I don’t see anyone stopping the Muslims from bringing their women to America? Besides, I would treat my foreign wife better than a Muslim guy would, I wouldn’t beat my wife like the Koran says to do in Sura 4:34 if your wife is rebellious.

08-28-2006 11:11 PM

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phatkat811
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phatkat811
Mamo, I’m not understanding. You’re eligible for a visa as a spouse of a Japanese national (http://www.embjapan.org/english/html/travel_and_visa/visa/faq.htm#b2) . Not so sure about the US visa requirements as they’re a little more complex, but I can’t imagine they would try that hard to keep a US citizen’s spouse from entering the country.

08-28-2006 11:13 PM

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
Hello Phatkat,

Yes, my young Honey has a good job for a major research company in Osaka, and she has a bachelors from a respected private college in Japan.

Speaking ONLY FOR MYSELF,

I don’t mind that so much. What was important to me was that she was

1) Kind.

2) Respectful to me as a Man.

3) Willing to put our household and children first.

Let me address each of these in turn.

And let me say beforehand, this is the kind of person she is. Many American women I know, are not.

Kind:
She puts my needs first. If I am hungry, she will cook. If my body is aching after a long day, she will massage me. If I am moody or stressed out, she will support me. If I don’t want to talk at a particular moment, she will give me my space, until I search for her and hold her in my arms.

The Western women I have know/dated/worked with would consider this kind of behaivor to be totally unacceptable.

Respectful to me as a Man:
In a word, submissive.
Many people in our society see this as the most deadly sin, but all of us submit in our daily lives.

We submit to traffic signals.

Muslims (and Christians too) submit themselves to God.

We submit to our supervisors (mine happens to be a woman, and she is a good manager).

We submit to the laws of our state and nation

We submit to our religious elders.

I could go on.

My analogy is this…

Two people are riding in a car. One person is the passenger, the other is the driver. The driver and the passenger are human beings with immortal souls, and have the same value before God. However, the driver sets the pace. The passenger has valuable input, and the driver takes the views of the passenger in most cases (except when asked to stop and ask for directions ). If the passenger is always trying to fight the driver for control of the vehicle, they won’t get anywhere.

I think feminists have confused the issues of roles and authority, with worth. Submission is not bad in itself, as we all do this.

(In certain erotic situations, submission is quite nice! but that’s another topic for another time.)

In my relationship, I am the Driver. She accepts my authority. There is no fighting or arguing about this.

As an aside, I realize that different people will have different arrangements. In some couples, the woman is going to be Dominant. And that’s all cool. I believe that people should have the ability to choose that for themselves… NOT to have it enshrined in culture and law that I am a bad guy simply because I am a man.

Willing to put our house and children first:
This is self evident.

So, in summary, there are quite large differences between my wife and the US and UK women I have known.

Some of the differences are culturally related, but I also hold the position that Feminism, and the sexist laws that it has inspired, has made the risk of choosing the wrong woman too great.

Articles such as Mr Noer’s go a long way to helping men make life altering, and life changing decisions.

Thus I urge Men to go out and explore the world. Then, and only then, should he make his choice. Or, maybe he will choose not to marry at all.

08-28-2006 11:29 PM

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placidlake
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placidlake
so in other words, let’s discover it all for ourselves.

08-28-2006 11:32 PM

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
In a matter of speaking.

The problem as I see it, is that the laws of this country, and feminism as a philosophy, have already decided that Men are guilty until proven innocent.

I don’t like that one bit.

Also in making decisions, one has to rely on the experiences and knowledge of others.

Which is why I commend Mr Noer for having the bravery to put this article out in the first place.

Even those who would argue that his stats were wrong, the slant of his article was biased, etc etc, know that he’s not getting this information from UFOs.

There is a (rather large) kernal of truth to the article, and men have every right to know about it before rushing off into a potentially devastating decision such as marriage.

08-28-2006 11:39 PM

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placidlake
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placidlake
but you have to admit, just the sheer amount of anti-feminist men on this board is a testament that america is capable of not being held down by one movement. it is a fluid, versatile system, and we are able to freely bitch about feminists. it is good dialectical discourse.

08-28-2006 11:41 PM

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phatkat811
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phatkat811
Problem is, Noer did NOT say “Don’t Marry Feminists”. I probably wouldn’t have too many issues with such an article, depending on what was presented and how. The problem is that he said “Don’t Marry Career Women”, which does NOT mean feminists. Mamo, you said people should make their own choices (I’m all for it) and you went against Noer’s advice and married a career woman (again, good for you). So tell me again why you’re supporting the article?

08-28-2006 11:47 PM

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
(*** Full Disclosure ***)

I belong to several Men’s Rights sites, and I am a MRA offline.

I really didn’t know anything about Men’s issues until about a year ago when I first started dating non American women.

I wanted to know why Asian women were so different than the girls I knew, and I began to look into it.

The Anti Feminists on this particular board are but a small number of the male (and female) souls that have been freed from the Fematrix.

Many Many more are still plugged in. There is much work to be done!

08-28-2006 11:55 PM

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placidlake
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placidlake
lol, fematrix. omg.

08-29-2006 12:07 AM

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
“Mamo, you said people should make their own choices (I’m all for it) and you went against Noer’s advice and married a career woman (again, good for you). So tell me again why you’re supporting the article?”

Good question Phat.

I posted the attributes that drew me to my young Honey like a moth to a candle in an earlier reply. And, at the end of the day, I made an informed, calculated decision, risk nonwithstanding.

And, by marrying whom I did, where I did, I have reduced my risk that I will end up in Divorce Court. Not eliminated it, but reduced it dramatically.

A) Feminism, in my opinion, research, and experience, is a driving force that has caused a great amount of suffering and discontent in our country.

B) Feminists were the folks that decreed, and still decree, that the only valuable woman is a “career” woman. This is a fact that has been posted to this message board repeatedly, so I won’t go into it here.

C) Armed with No Fault divorce laws that make the marriage contract meaningless (which Feminists and their supporters pushed for), the probability that a feminist career woman will initiate divorce proceedings against her husband has increased dramatically, for reasons that the Author and the Anti Feminist men on this board have already covered.

D) Therefore, if a man considers marriage to a “Feminist career woman”, as was my premise, not the author’s, he needs to be aware of the odds that are stacked against him.

For these reasons, I commend Mr. Noer’s article. He didn’t say Feminist Career Woman, that was my emphasis. But I do think, just my opinion only, that he was alluding to Feminist Career Woman indirectly.

08-29-2006 12:15 AM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
Sorry for wandering slightly off-topic, but I’ve always wondered why if there’s a Great American Man Shortage that “mail-order” *grooms* haven’t developed into a booming business. Ideas, anyone?

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08-29-2006 12:20 AM

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
“Sorry for wandering slightly off-topic, but I’ve always wondered why if there’s a Great American Man Shortage that “mail-order” *grooms* haven’t developed into a booming business. Ideas, anyone?”

Martian,

The foreign guys that I know all tell me that marrying an American woman is a huge no no. Having lived in America for a while, they were quite anxious to get home for some female companionship.

In East Asia, the men are expected to carry on the family name. And to bring home a foreign woman would be a huge scandal. Sometimes Asian men marry their Western lovers, but its kind of rare.

Other than Asia, I can’t speak about other parts of the world.

08-29-2006 12:34 AM

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crella
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crella
‘And to bring home a foreign woman would be a huge scandal.’

Not a scandal exactly, Japanese parents are afraid that a western daughter-in-law will come into the family with elbows out, boss everyone around. The image of American women is really poor everywhere.

Congratulations Mamonaku (cute name!That’s one of my brother’s favorite Japanese words). My brother married a lovely Japanese women about 5 years ago after an Ameriskank raked him over the coals about 10 years ago. He has never regretted his decision.

08-29-2006 12:40 AM

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tomshh
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tomshh

Actual Marta, I am into Amature Natural Body Building, so my body fat currently is at about 10%, or in the exteme elite levels for men.

But lets not let facts get in the road.  As facts and feminists have nothing to do with one another.

08-29-2006 12:59 AM

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
“Not a scandal exactly, Japanese parents are afraid that a western daughter-in-law will come into the family with elbows out, boss everyone around. The image of American women is really poor everywhere.

Congratulations Mamonaku (cute name!That’s one of my brother’s favorite Japanese words). My brother married a lovely Japanese women about 5 years ago after an Ameriskank raked him over the coals about 10 years ago. He has never regretted his decision.”

Great Post!

I earned the name Mamonaku after a long night of drinking with some buddies in Tokyo. Only in Japan can you drink a beer on the train! Beautiful country!

Train announcement:
“Mamonaku, Tokyo Desu, Tokyo Desu”

Anyhoo,
Articles like these get people talking. While I know its hard for some people to swallow, the Author is saying what many men were already thinking.

It is my hope that women will read, take heed, and change before they are outsourced for good.

Message Edited by Mamonaku on 08-29-2006 01:13 AM

08-29-2006 01:06 AM

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bowenj10
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bowenj10

Great answer.  I can speak for another part of the world.  I have cousins who live in Asuncion (Paraguay for those of you not familiar) who I talk to on an almost daily basis.  I try to visit about once a year if I can manage.

On this year’s trip, a subject very similar to this one came up.  A friend of my cousin’s mentioned that she thought all Americans were cold and unfeeling.  She was surprised that I was so friendly and fun.  Of course, I stuck up for us Americans by letting her know that we’re not ALL like that, but what she said rings true in many countries across the world.

Since I’ve been in the Navy, I’ve been to almost two dozen countries between the two coasts.  I’ve talked with locals in all the ports that I’ve been to, and there are a couple of things that these people have in common.

First, as you stated, foreigners know the problems that come with marrying American women.  The image of the fat, whiny, demanding American wife is prevalent in many of these societies.  Though our television shows are watched abroad, many of the people that watch them don’t agree with the messages put forth.

The second common belief is that American men are “manginas”, as someone called us.  This is nowhere more true than in Latin American countries.  Men are expected to behave in a certain way, and to take on certain responsibilities.  As our newspapers and television shows are syndicated to more and more countries, the rest of the world is getting a better idea of what we are like.  That is why I have run into more of the type of women that I mentioned above when I travel.

*Disclaimer*

The statements above are based upon my own personal experiences and in no way represent the beliefs of the entire world.  So, please, if you are an exception, don’t bother to let me know.  I don’t care.

08-29-2006 02:45 AM

Re: Testimony
moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

Most feminists won’t, and I see that you are not married.  I doubt your boyfriend will marry you, realistically.  It is highly unlikely unless you are supporting him and he is getting strange on the side.

08-29-2006 09:48 AM

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Re: Testimony
sha_nnie
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sha_nnie

ahh, to be a man, to be a man, what a glorious life it would be

Sure would be. I mean the posts are all structured so nicely here guys when in fact what you are really meaning is you want a wife as:-

A person who is your property and obliged to work for you –
Someone to dominate and influence and they cannot complain about it-
A person who is compelled to work very hard for you –

Yep, that’s what it really comes down to without all the glorified words of “kind”, “respectful” etc. The real word for the meanings 1), 2) and 3)  by the Oxford Dictionary is “SLAVE”.

08-29-2006 09:58 AM

Re: Testimony
Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
“Sure would be. I mean the posts are all structured so nicely here guys when in fact what you are really meaning is you want a wife as:-

A person who is your property and obliged to work for you –
Someone to dominate and influence and they cannot complain about it-
A person who is compelled to work very hard for you –

Yep, that’s what it really comes down to without all the glorified words of “kind”, “respectful” etc. The real word for the meanings 1), 2) and 3) by the Oxford Dictionary is “SLAVE”.”

Hello Sha_nnie.

From Merriam Webster.

SLAVE
Function: noun
1 : a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
2 : one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence

Lets be frank… I neither own my wife nor do I have her completely subservient to me under duress. She expresses her needs and wants without hesitation. What she does for us she does so out of her OWN FREE WILL, and furthermore, she is HAPPY to do so.

Gentlemen and Ladies, I submit that the attitude of this poster is exactly why:

a) I agree with Mr. Noer’s premise, slightly altered to read “Don’t Marry Feminist Career Women”

b) I sought out and married a non Western woman.

Women who feel like Sha_nnie, who don’t seem to know what the words kind, respectful, and homemaker really mean, are the type of women I would never, in a thousand years, propose marriage to.

In closing, let me educate you briefly on what these words mean.

KIND:
Function: adjective
1 chiefly dialect : AFFECTIONATE, LOVING
2 a : of a sympathetic or helpful nature b : of a forbearing nature : GENTLE c : arising from or characterized by sympathy or forbearance
3 : of a kind to give pleasure or relief

RESPECT:
Function: noun
3 a : high or special regard : ESTEEM b : the quality or state of being esteemed c plural : expressions of respect or deference.

HOMEMAKER
Function: noun
: one who manages a household especially as a wife and mother.

Thank you for reading.

Message Edited by Mamonaku on 08-29-200601:38 PM

Message Edited by Mamonaku on 08-29-2006 01:38 PM

08-29-2006 01:32 PM

Re: Testimony
sha_nnie
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sha_nnie

Mamonaku,
First of all, so you know, I am not a career woman. Yes I returned to work eight years ago once my youngest child had turned 16 years old, and I am a  Teacher, but I certainly am not what you would typically class as a “Career Woman”.

Secondly I do know what the words kind, respectful, and homemaker really mean (you said I don’t). I not only have been bought up with good morals and standards to respect people but know I am also very respected by my family, friends and the community in general. I am a kind and giving person to my friends and family and also the community having done much charity work to help people. As far as being a “homemaker” I have never had any complaints from anyone, first and foremost my husband. I do all the typical ‘homemaker’ work, I am a great cook,  plus take care of the gardens and lawns.

You actually sound like you would be a good and fair husband. Don’t get me wrong, I know there are good husbands out there, or good men in general. My main “gripe” is when a man expects it is the womans job to do all of the housework and take care of everything to do with the children. I don’t think it is right that a man goes to work for 8 hours then come home and thinks he does not have to do ANYTHING around the house or with or for the children at all. A housewife and mothers work does not stop after an 8 hour day, it goes on and on and into the night and early the next day. It would just be nice to have received some help instead of having to do everything.  I do hope you have a good marriage and for your wifes sake (and in the long run yours) I also hope you help her a little bit with some household chores and the children you have together. It doesn’t have to be anything big. Just some little bits of help here and there to show you love and appreciate her instead of take her for granted.

Message Edited by sha_nnie on 08-30-2006 08:13 AM

08-30-2006 03:43 AM

Re: Testimony
Mamonaku
Regular Contributor
Mamonaku
“I don’t think it is right that a man goes to work for 8 hours then come home and thinks he does not have to do ANYTHING around the house or with or for the children at all. A housewife and mothers work does not stop after an 8 hour day, it goes on and on and into the night and early the next day. It would just be nice to have received some help instead of having to do everything. I do hope you have a good marriage and for your wifes sake (and in the long run yours) I also hope you help her a little bit with some household chores and the children you have together. It doesn’t have to be anything big. Just some little bits of help here and there to show you love and appreciate her instead of take her for granted.”

Of course

She will need my help. That’s basic. I have two good hands and am able bodied.

While I “wear the pants” in this thing, I am not a monster.
What I ask for, I give in return. Fair is fair after all. I just want it to be known, up front, that she has primary responsibility for the domestic scene.

Have a good one.

08-30-2006 07:38 AM

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