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career women DON’T want cavemen
Celticgirl
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Yawn. Noer is yet another misogynistic hack making another cliched attack on feminism. Surely the fact that his last opus was reportedly titled “Wife or Whore?” gives some idea of where he’s coming from.

I am shocked at some of the comments I’ve read on here. Wake up guys – it’s the 21st century – not the 19th! Like it or not women are now becoming financially independent. Able to leave an unhappy marriage. To dump a boring/ageing/unattractive/abusive husband for a new model. Free to have affairs if they so wish. And not be a slave to the housework.

In short – behaving how men have been behaving for the last few hundred years.

You know, if staying at home keeping house and being totally economically dependent on your partner is so good – and a lot of the men here seem to think that women should consider it a priviledge to give up work and basically let our lives revolve around them – why aren’t more of THEM doing it?

08-29-2006 11:32 AM

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Democles
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Fact is, you will end up alone and bitter. ha ha ha

08-29-2006 11:36 AM

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GenghisKhan
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This is just another ad hominem attack against men for exercising their right to chose whom to marry. This is the one arena where no amount of personal attaks, shaming, arguing will change the fact that we choose who we wish to marry, where we have complete control. And now, career women are attempting to force our hand in vain. Attacks like this further reinforce how bitter, resentful, and unappealing such women are to marry. Guys take note.

08-29-2006 11:36 AM

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DontMarryNoer
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GenghisKhan wrote:
This is just another ad hominem attack against men for exercising their right to chose whom to marry. This is the one arena where no amount of personal attaks, shaming, arguing will change the fact that we choose who we wish to marry, where we have complete control. And now, career women are attempting to force our hand in vain. Attacks like this further reinforce how bitter, resentful, and unappealing such women are to marry. Guys take note.

She seems pretty happy and inconcerned to me. I doubt she’d ever go near you anyway, so no need to worry.

08-29-2006 11:38 AM

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ericca_jsu
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ericca_jsu

One the most intelligent posts I have read lately. Well stated.

08-29-2006 11:38 AM

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Smile
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Let me guess, Mr. Noer has been dumped by a series of professional women and is somewhat bitter.  He probably also drives a compensatory sportscar.

Bottom line, ladies, is would you want to be involved with any man who does not value your talents and brains?  If a man’s sense of self is so grotesquely unstable that he cannot handle a woman who is her own person and uses her own talents, he should get a goldfish and spend the rest of his life watching “Seinfeld” reruns in sports bars!

And before I get a series of flames telling me that I’m clearly a bitter feminist, I’ll point out that I happily married at 33 (and am still very happily married) to a wonderful man who values me as a person, supports my goals, and respects my mind.  I also have a terrific business that fulfills me mentally.  Ladies, there are a lot of guys out there who will respect your mind and talents.  You just have to go through a lot of losers with expensive cars to get to the good guys.  My advice?  Give the losers the time of day so they’ll spend money on you, and use the daylights out of those guys for money until you find a real sweetie!

08-29-2006 11:45 AM

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Hiiiii
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Hiiiii

“You know, if staying at home keeping house and being totally economically dependent on your partner is so good – and a lot of the men here seem to think that women should consider it a priviledge to give up work and basically let our lives revolve around them – why aren’t more of THEM doing it?”

See my I want to be a house husband post a couple of posts down the board… I cant seem to find a rich woman who wants to oppress me by letting me live in her mansion.

08-29-2006 11:45 AM

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MartianBachelor
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Oh geez, not another “liberated” woman crying misogyny, while spouting her own misandry about ugly abusive cavemen. Can you say “double standard”?

Puh-leaze, give us all a big freakin’ break!

Anytime women want to start supporting men and their families, I say “have at it”. Because that’s why men work, and that was the basis for men being advantaged in the workforce several generations ago; supporting men was a way of supporting women and children. Men didn’t work to be independent of women and families — except that now more and more men are becoming like women and using the money they earn to do just that. And for good reason.

After all, meals at good restaurants, a maid service, and a twice-a-week whore are a lot better deal than the average woman offers.

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08-29-2006 11:47 AM

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karma-sucks
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The only reason women are becoming financially independent is because of the technological advances produced by men. A scene from Stepford Wives (the new one) comes to mind. Something to the effect that while women were busy becoming men, men were becoming gods.

08-29-2006 11:51 AM

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Cassius
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Why marry at all ? It is not in a mans nature to settle down. A man needs a change in his sex life from time to time and marriage makes him cost dearly for it.

08-29-2006 11:56 AM

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warbaby
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Guess what, hon? Family-oriented women don’t want cavemen either. That’s what you and your sisters consistently miss. Or are you just writing us off as “brainwashed” because we follow our hearts instead of feminist propaganda?

08-29-2006 11:57 AM

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GenghisKhan
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You just have to go through a lot of losers with expensive cars to get to the good guys. My advice? Give the losers the time of day so they’ll spend money on you, and use the daylights out of those guys for money until you find a real sweetie!
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Fantastic, all the wealthy men out there will use such women for sex and dump them for a younger model. Then these women can go trade down and marry the nice guys (ones that solely say “ok, honey” and not challenge their wives’ decisions or ideas). Doomed to live a life of constant unhappiness as they complain to their girlfriends over lunch how their husbands dont fulfill their needs and contemplate why they couldn’t find a rich man who would marry them. Sounds like a deal.

Message Edited by GenghisKhan on 08-29-2006 12:28 PM

08-29-2006 12:02 PM

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leeraconteur
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I am shocked at some of the comments I’ve read on here. Wake up guys – it’s the 21st century – not the 19th!

Too bad.  You cannot control what we think, or the opinions we have, or what criteria we chose to utilise to make the decision of whom we should or should not marry.

Like it or not women are now becoming financially independent.

Again and again posters have responded that WE DON”T CARE IF YOU ARE INDEPENDENT.  Good for you.  We just chose to not marry women like that.  It is a free country, we are free to chose as we wish.

Able to leave an unhappy marriage. To dump a boring/ageing/unattractive/abusive husband for a new model. Free to have affairs if they so wish. And not be a slave to the housework.

Here you expose the shallow, non-comittal attitudes of many women, and many career women.  Marriage vows don’t include provisions for whether your spouse is boring, unattractive or aging.  It’s for better or worse, or do you make promises you don’t intend to keep?

Women were always free to have affairs, and now they cheat just as much as men do.

08-29-2006 01:15 PM

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Celticgirl
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Wow – quite an interesting response. A few points:

I am not anti-marriage. I come from a family with many happy long-lived marriages and when a marriage is good (ie equal) it is the relationship model to aspire to.

Hence I am NOT attacking married women. I hope you all have wonderful lives with wonderful men – and yes I know there are many out there!

All I am saying is that for some women the handsome prince often turns into a nasty frog and thank god feminism and feminists have helped give us all the option of getting out of unhappy marriages, buy our own homes, have our own careers – if we want to do it. 50 years ago it wasn’t an option.

I am defending unmarried career women because I am fed up of us being constantly picked on and lazy writers reducing us to cliche. I am very happy with my life and not looking for a husband. Or a meal ticket. Have any of these men who rant about ‘gold-diggers, etc’ realise how offensive it us for most women who earn and pay our own way to be spoken of in such terms?

And we’re not all desperate to get wed – especially not to the kind of men who assert they have ‘the right to choose who to marry’ and talk about relationships in terms of ‘complete control.’ May I suggest these men start going to different pick-up joints, or even better, start looking beyond the sort of women who are only interested in your money. We are not all like that.

As for the laughable point that ‘women are reaping the financial benefits of the technical advances provided by men’. Well, honey did you ever stop to think about how women’s lives used to be when they were prisoners of their biology and gave routinely gave birth to 15 kids in a lifetime? May I suggest that if men had to go through that they’d still be working out how to invent the wheel……

As for supporting a house husband – well why not? If I had the money and he was cute, made a mean martini and didn’t give me too much grief, I’d be up for it. After all, forget husbands – what every career woman REALLY wants is a wife!

08-29-2006 01:16 PM

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GenghisKhan
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Celticgirl,

I agree with you and respect your views and decisions about your life. But, the article was simply advising men not to marry career women. Yet, many of the women on here feel the need to justify their position and contibutions as career women. This is perfectly fine but it has no connection to Noer’s article. If he had written that career women lower productivity in the workplace, I can understand their reaction but he didn’t. The contributions that career women make to the workforce – their education, independance, etc. are not of much use to men when dealing with the traditional concept marriage. Therefore, their reaction only leads me to believe that they are trying to control/manipulate a man’s decision to choose them because they feel threatened and many posters’ language and remarks seem to prove just that. This makes sense because when it comes to choosing whom to marry, men are the selectors.

Message Edited by GenghisKhan on 08-29-2006 02:11 PM

08-29-2006 01:46 PM

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Mamonaku
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“As for the laughable point that ‘women are reaping the financial benefits of the technical advances provided by men’. Well, honey did you ever stop to think about how women’s lives used to be when they were prisoners of their biology and gave routinely gave birth to 15 kids in a lifetime? May I suggest that if men had to go through that they’d still be working out how to invent the wheel……”

Hi Celticgirl.

This is an important point.
Women are spending a lot of time doing things that are contrary to their nature.

Women are not men, they are women. This is something that you may want to consider before it’s too late for you. All the Kings birth control will not change what God created you to be and do.

“All I am saying is that for some women the handsome prince often turns into a nasty frog and thank god feminism and feminists have helped give us all the option of getting out of unhappy marriages, buy our own homes, have our own careers – if we want to do it. 50 years ago it wasn’t an option.”

That’s where you may be mistaken.
In the good ol days before Feminism, divorce laws actually assigned FAULT.

In other words, if a party to the marriage, Male or Female, violated the marriage covenant, they would be subject to penalty.

While I personally hate the concept of divorce, I don’t oppose it. I agree that sometimes nasty frogs come out of the pond.

What I don’t agree with is utilateral divorce without cause. There is no JUSTICE to that, and I humbly think THAT is the issue that most Men have with our insane divorce laws.

Not to mention the extreme financial penalties that fall disproportionately on the man.

Message Edited by Mamonaku on 08-29-2006 01:57 PM

08-29-2006 01:55 PM

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DwightSpace
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Celticgirl,
I have read a few of your postings and I completely agree with you. The reason why career women are such a threat is because women that are attractive and well-educated can decide who they want to be with based on an actual feeling and not be blinded by shiny things that rich men throw at them to get them in bed. I am willing to guess, based on what you have said, that you fall into this elite category of women and that is driving these men nuts!
I think that a lot of these people opposing your opinions are assuming that women want only a career and will make that the whole focus of their lives, which would in turn ruin their household. You seem to understand that by disagreeing with Noer, you are not an anti-marriage feminist that is waging a war against men!

08-29-2006 04:36 PM

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
“I think that a lot of these people opposing your opinions are assuming that women want only a career and will make that the whole focus of their lives, which would in turn ruin their household. You seem to understand that by disagreeing with Noer, you are not an anti-marriage feminist that is waging a war against men! ”

Dwightspace, good to meet you.

While a small minority of women that disagree with Noer are not anti-marriage feminists, the majority are.

And make no mistake, Feminists are waging war on all of us, male and female alike. If you peruse some of the older posts on this topic, there are plenty of quotes coming from hardcore feminists who make no secret about thier anti-marriage agenda.

Or maybe if you google the terms “marxist feminism” and “cultural marxism”, you will be able to examine the evidence for yourself in more detail.

Please read this quote from the Communist Manefesto, the bible of the feminist movement.

http://www.juntosociety.com/i_documents/communist.html

“The immediate aim of the Communist is the same as that of all the other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.”

Substitute Feminist for Communist, and substitute Women for Proletariat.

“Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.

On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.

The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.

Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty…

The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parent and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all family ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labour.”

“Bourgeois marriage is in reality a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with, is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalised community of women. For the rest, it is self-evident that the abolition of the present system of production must bring with it the abolition of the community of women springing from that system, i.e., of prostitution both public and private.”

There you have it. Straight from the horse’s mouth.

Destruction of marriage, and Careerism among women have always been major goals of both Communism, and its kissing cousin, Feminism.

Educate yourself sir, before you find yourself on the wrong side of the courtroom.

Message Edited by Mamonaku on 08-29-2006 04:58 PM

08-29-2006 04:47 PM

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DwightSpace
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DwightSpace

I admit, I am new to this forum and topic so I have not read the older posts. I do plan to educate myself more on feminism and I appreciate your advice. I find it unfortunate, however, that you think I would ever find myself on the wrong side of a courtroom!
I would also like to remind you that the word “majority” is not synonymous with the word “all.”

08-29-2006 05:03 PM

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
“I would also like to remind you that the word “majority” is not synonymous with the word “all.” ”

/Agreed

My position is that men should have all the facts at their disposal before getting into such a lifechanging committment as marriage.

08-29-2006 05:20 PM

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DwightSpace
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I agree with you also. Having the facts when entering into any contract is powerful and necessary. Unfortunately, many people (men and women) that begin a marriage do not think to gather these facts. Lest you think that I am one of them, let me state that I am not married and when I do sign a legal commitment binding me to a person, I will be fully aware of any future consequences that my signature will bring.

08-29-2006 06:00 PM

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