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Men are always right
manly-and-proud
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manly-and-proud

I am a decent man and I think Michael Noer is spot on. Western women don’t realise who lucky they are. They go out with idiots and show-offs, then they complain that there are no decent men. And when they meet decent men, they reject them as boring and too nice, even ones who own their own homes.

And women are to blame for pornography. If women weren’t rejecting men, and women weren’t prepared to be porno models, pornography wouldn’t exist. Women say they need to be porno models to get money, but they wouldn’t need to do it if they married decent men and stopped being immature.

Women are so rude to men, and make up ridiculous lies to avoid us, with pathetic excuses like “having and early night”, “washing hair”, “studying for exams”.

Women cause nothing but misery to men and themselves.

08-29-2006 12:13 PM

Re: Men are always right
rjmck
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rjmck

Sorry, but I don’t think women are to “blame” for porn. Your use of the term “blame” implies that there is something wrong with a healthy interest in sex. Radical Feminist/religious fundamentalist objections, although ostensibly based on diferent analyses, are at their core hostile to male/female sexuality. Furthermore, feminist analysis of porn as a male dominated phenomena which objectifies women is simply not consistent with increasing female use of porn, both visual and print. The highest selling genre is “romance” novels, and females consitute the overwhelming majority of readers. This is actually a form of (not so) soft core porn used for sexual stimulation leading to masterbation, which is how many males (and females) use visual porn off the net. Physiological studies show that males and females respond identically to watching visual porn, by the way. The only difference is that more men can admit to being stimulated, while many women experience their sexual stimulation with shame and anxiety, and report negative feelings. Younger, more educated women, on the other hand, are more likely to report positive sexual excitement.
So what’s this got to do with the topic of career women? I find it interesting that as more and more men are declaring a “marriage strike” (see other posts), porn is becoming more and more aceptable for use by both men and women. If these posts are indicative of how American men now feel about women, we can expect to see our culture becoming more and more pornified (a word I just made up) as the genders drift apart for their sexual fulfillment. And the only thing wrong with that is that both men and women need emotional fulfillment as well (in spite of what moneyneversleeps and others might say).
In the end, folks, we’re more alike than we’d like to admit. Rather than “blaming” women for porn, we need to ask whether we want a culture of people living alone and getting off with vibrators, dildos and blow up dolls, or a society of mature, emotionally developed adults who finds ways to navigate their needs together.

08-29-2006 12:29 PM

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ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

manly-and-proud wrote:

And women are to blame for pornography. If women weren’t rejecting men, and women weren’t prepared to be porno models, pornography wouldn’t exist.

Oh, gawd.

Nice try.

08-29-2006 01:01 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

ftesyektsi wrote:

manly-and-proud wrote:

And women are to blame for pornography. If women weren’t rejecting men, and women weren’t prepared to be porno models, pornography wouldn’t exist.

Oh, gawd.

Nice try.

If you’re saying he’s wrong, then who would you blame for pornography?

Message Edited by Termi0n on 08-29-2006 01:22 PM

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

08-29-2006 01:21 PM

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IshWishDish
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IshWishDish

I suggest everyone print out a copy of this thread’s original post. In the future, if you (or, in the case of the feminists on this board, someone you’re debating) should express doubt that the continued existence of the women’s movement is necessary, simply refer to this post. Well, not the post, actually. Refer to the fact that there are still people who think this way.

Also, to the other feminists/working women/etc. on this board: I’m begging you; please don’t respond to the OP by questioning this guy’s attractiveness, virility, etc. The post speaks for itself, and hurling adolescent insults at him only lowers you to his level.

08-29-2006 01:31 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

IshWishDish wrote:
I suggest everyone print out a copy of this thread’s original post. In the future, if you (or, in the case of the feminists on this board, someone you’re debating) should express doubt that the continued existence of the women’s movement is necessary, simply refer to this post. Well, not the post, actually. Refer to the fact that there are still people who think this way.

Also, to the other feminists/working women/etc. on this board: I’m begging you; please don’t respond to the OP by questioning this guy’s attractiveness, virility, etc. The post speaks for itself, and hurling adolescent insults at him only lowers you to his level.

Ya send it to everyone you know. Including men, women and children (in that order).

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

08-29-2006 01:33 PM

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MartianBachelor
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Just like yours merely exhibits your ability to discount what he says.

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08-29-2006 01:34 PM

Re: Men are always right
IshWishDish
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IshWishDish

Just like yours merely exhibits your ability to discount what he says.

… Yes.

I disagree with him.

Did you have a point?

08-29-2006 01:42 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

IshWishDish wrote:
Just like yours merely exhibits your ability to discount what he says.

… Yes.

I disagree with him.

Did you have a point?

Doesnt mean you’re right.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

08-29-2006 01:48 PM

Re: Men are always right
IshWishDish
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IshWishDish

Doesnt mean you’re right.
True. Doesn’t mean he is either. Now that we’ve re-clarified the basic concept of opinions, would you or Martian like to contribute an actual idea or position here? Or do we need to review any more fundamentals of human discourse?

08-29-2006 02:02 PM

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Re: Men are always right
ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

Termi0n wrote:

ftesyektsi wrote:

manly-and-proud wrote:

And women are to blame for pornography. If women weren’t rejecting men, and women weren’t prepared to be porno models, pornography wouldn’t exist.

Oh, gawd.

Nice try.

If you’re saying he’s wrong, then who would you blame for pornography?

Message Edited by Termi0n on 08-29-2006 01:22 PM

What do you mean, “blame”? That’s part of what’s wrong with our country – everyone wants to blame someone for something.  It’s all part of a refusal to take personal responsiblity combined with denial that, sometimes, bleep just happens.

HUMANS are to blame for pornography.  If there weren’t buyers, it wouldn’t sell.  If women wouldn’t agree to be in it, there would be a lot less of it.

Not sure what your point is…

08-29-2006 02:06 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

IshWishDish wrote:
Doesnt mean you’re right.
True. Doesn’t mean he is either. Now that we’ve re-clarified the basic concept of opinions, would you or Martian like to contribute an actual idea or position here? Or do we need to review any more fundamentals of human discourse?

And they wonder why we dont want to marry them.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

08-29-2006 02:07 PM

Re: Men are always right
ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

Termi0n wrote:

IshWishDish wrote:
Doesnt mean you’re right.
True. Doesn’t mean he is either. Now that we’ve re-clarified the basic concept of opinions, would you or Martian like to contribute an actual idea or position here? Or do we need to review any more fundamentals of human discourse?

And they wonder why we dont want to marry them.

I would wager it’s because you can’t enter into an intelligent debate by way of offering thought-out and thoughtFUL responses, so a woman who can (a career woman, as Noer pointed out, is more likely to be educated) would simply back you into the closet you’re now hiding in while you squeak out pointless one-liners through the keyhole.

08-29-2006 02:12 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

ftesyektsi wrote:

Termi0n wrote:

IshWishDish wrote:
Doesnt mean you’re right.
True. Doesn’t mean he is either. Now that we’ve re-clarified the basic concept of opinions, would you or Martian like to contribute an actual idea or position here? Or do we need to review any more fundamentals of human discourse?

And they wonder why we dont want to marry them.

I would wager it’s because you can’t enter into an intelligent debate by way of offering thought-out and thoughtFUL responses, so a woman who can (a career woman, as Noer pointed out, is more likely to be educated) would simply back you into the closet you’re now hiding in while you squeak out pointless one-liners through the keyhole.

Oh no. Guess I better not marry one of those women. Thanks.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

08-29-2006 02:21 PM

Re: Men are always right
ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

Termi0n wrote:

ftesyektsi wrote:

Termi0n wrote:

IshWishDish wrote:
Doesnt mean you’re right.
True. Doesn’t mean he is either. Now that we’ve re-clarified the basic concept of opinions, would you or Martian like to contribute an actual idea or position here? Or do we need to review any more fundamentals of human discourse?

And they wonder why we dont want to marry them.

I would wager it’s because you can’t enter into an intelligent debate by way of offering thought-out and thoughtFUL responses, so a woman who can (a career woman, as Noer pointed out, is more likely to be educated) would simply back you into the closet you’re now hiding in while you squeak out pointless one-liners through the keyhole.

Oh no. Guess I better not marry one of those women. Thanks.

I don’t think you’d have the choice.

08-29-2006 02:45 PM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor

….Now that we’ve re-clarified the basic concept of opinions, would you or Martian like to contribute an actual idea or position here?

Ok, I’ll bite.

I’d only point out that when you look around the globe what you see is that the most feminized societies, those where women have the most independence, these societies have the most porn, whereas the most traditional and patriarchal societies (the Taliban in Afghanistan would be a possible example, as would either China or Saudia Arabia, or even the US before the 1950’s and Playboy) have the least. There’s a pretty good inverse correlation which bears pondering.

Message Edited by MartianBachelor on 08-29-2006 12:48 PM

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08-29-2006 02:47 PM

Re: Men are always right
Termi0n
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Termi0n

ftesyektsi wrote:

Termi0n wrote:

ftesyektsi wrote:

Termi0n wrote:

IshWishDish wrote:
Doesnt mean you’re right.
True. Doesn’t mean he is either. Now that we’ve re-clarified the basic concept of opinions, would you or Martian like to contribute an actual idea or position here? Or do we need to review any more fundamentals of human discourse?

And they wonder why we dont want to marry them.

I would wager it’s because you can’t enter into an intelligent debate by way of offering thought-out and thoughtFUL responses, so a woman who can (a career woman, as Noer pointed out, is more likely to be educated) would simply back you into the closet you’re now hiding in while you squeak out pointless one-liners through the keyhole.

Oh no. Guess I better not marry one of those women. Thanks.

I don’t think you’d have the choice.

Doesnt matter.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

08-29-2006 02:50 PM

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IshWishDish
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IshWishDish

Martian:

There has always been pornography in America (what, you never heard of “stag films”?), as well as most of the rest of the world. It is true that societies with more widespread personal freedom generally have a more conspicuous porn culture. That is most likely because a society that values widespread personal freedom is less likely to feel it has the right to tell its citizens what forms of entertainment they may and may not expose themselves to. Hence, the porn industry in such a society will likely be much freer to operate and publicize itself.

Also, remember on this point that it is not simply taken as a given that porn is an inherently negative thing. There are many people on both sides of this debate who feel pornography is essentially harmless or even beneficial.

08-29-2006 03:19 PM

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manly-and-proud
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manly-and-proud

Lets face it, feminism has failed. People are more miserable and lonely than ever. Feminsts don’t want equality. They have been saying for years that all men are rapists, sex and marriage is rape and oppression, children are an obstacle to careers, so they need to eliminated (abortion).

Go to any nightclub and try talking to women, you’ll get an anti-social response, and that’s because of feminism. And I’m talking about Western women here, particularly white ones. They get careers and they think they are too precious for men, but they only have those careers because men have invented computers which has created office jobs.

08-29-2006 08:06 PM

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sunhawk
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And women are to blame for pornography. If women weren’t rejecting men, and women weren’t prepared to be porno models, pornography wouldn’t exist. Women say they need to be porno models to get money, but they wouldn’t need to do it if they married decent men and stopped being immature.

LOL that has to be my favourite odd theory of the night. If women weren’t prepared to be porn models, i’m sure something more perverse would likely be substituted. Goats? Nude vegetables? Sofa porn?

08-29-2006 11:58 PM

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LOL that has to be my favorite odd theory of the night. If women weren’t prepared to be porn models, I’m sure something more perverse would likely be substituted. Goats? Nude vegetables? Sofa porn?

There wouldn’t be any need for porn because people would be getting great sex from being in a relationship. Porn exists because women avoid men to have careers and other women are prepared to be porn models.

Don’t you understand anything ? If you think women will like you because you agree with their destructive lifestyle choices, you will be disappointed.

08-31-2006 01:17 PM

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