The Marriage Strike is On


Reader Response to “Don’t Marry Career Women” – The Marriage Strike is On

The Marriage Strike is On
rjmck
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rjmck

After reading over a hundred of the postings on various threads, I have concluded thatseveral issues seem to dominate the discussions. The most important one, however, is this idea of a marriage strike by men. If this is true, then it will begin one of the most profound social transformations of our time. One female poster (Radiator, I think) argued cogently that what men get if they marry a career woman is “US”, That is, that we men get women who will provide us with the emotional and financial support that we need, and we in turn provide them with an equal measure of the same. Sounds good to me– it’s what I’ve been lucky enough to have had for the past 35 years with my successful career oriented/family committed wife.
But there’s a fly in the ointment, and it seems to come down to the unequal state of marriage in terms of legal obligations. Besides the ones that other posters have belaboured, let me mention another. Women have the right to abortion on demand. Men have only an obligation based on the woman’s choice. If we’re going to reach that nirvana of equality that so many female posters claim they want, and seem angered by men’s reluctance to provide, then let’s clear the playing field and balance the equation. Besides equality in marriage (which men do not currently enjoy– thus their strike) we also need equality in abortion rights. This would mean that a man can elect not to be responsible for a child. He would lose any legal claim to fatherhood (visitation etc.), but would also be as free as a woman not to be a parent. She would be free to have the child or not, but would be obliged to support it without his help.
Lest anyone argue that this makes men irresponsible, let me point out that no one argues that women are irresponsible if they have an abortion– her choice is sacrosanct, a right. But why should men be obliged to finanace her right to raise a child if he doesn’t want to? Why is a female right a male responsibility? Both entered the sexual act as equals, but only she has the right to determine the outcome if a child is produced. Time to balance the books here, as elsewhere.
Then maybe men will call off the strike.

08-29-2006 05:16 PM

Re: The Marriage Strike is On
MidsummerKnight
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MidsummerKnight
Brace for impact…

08-29-2006 06:24 PM

Re: The Marriage Strike is On
shovel
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shovel
If you actually read feminist forums, they agree that the legal system needs an overhaul; real feminists won’t argue with you. It WILL happen, but it takes time. I totally agree that custody and alimony should be on a case by case basis, but the laws haven’t yet caught up from past customs (based on the male breadwinning, female “fit as default promary parent” model). My cousin, for instance, is clearly the superior parent of his two sons, and his ex left voluntarily (tho I think they were way too young in the first place). She has primary custody, and it’s not at all fair.

The same goes for the abortion debate. I (along with most other feminists) don’t think a guy should have to fund a pregnancy he doesn’t want. However, as you mentioned, two people enter as equals in terms of conception. I think there is a perceived subsequent inequality from the male POV, but consider this; for every baby (unwanted by the father) that comes to term, there are many more women who still have to shoulder the initial burden of pregnancy for “wanted” babies.

It sucks to have no control, but it also sucks to have all control. Does this make sense?

08-29-2006 06:43 PM

Re: The Marriage Strike is On
rjmck
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rjmck

Sorry Shovel, your point isn’t clear. Perhaps if it sucks so much to have all the control, women could give an equal portion back to men rather than fighting for all of it. Your response actually surprises me, as I’ve yet to see a feminist ever argue for gender equality for men, as many of the male posters would agree. If women really do want to heal the rift, they’re going to have to be the ones to do it, however, Having taken “all of the control” as you put it, only they can do something about it. Until they do, men are going to exert the only control they have left, and write women out of their lives. That’s the bottom line to all of the threads currently running– we’re just sick and tired of women’s attitudes and behaviours, and unless you change in a big way, not only career women, but all of you, are going to have to get used to a life without men.

08-29-2006 06:50 PM

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GenghisKhan
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GenghisKhan
That’s the bottom line to all of the threads currently running– we’re just sick and tired of women’s attitudes and behaviours, and unless you change in a big way, not only career women, but all of you, are going to have to get used to a life without men.
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Well, not committed men. I still have sexual needs to be fulfilled which is not a problem anymore thanks to the sexually liberated female.

08-29-2006 06:57 PM

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khankrumthebulg
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khankrumthebulg
Have you wondered what happened to Sexual Attraction between the Genders? Seriously why are so many Men now needing Erectile Dysfunction Meds? Why are so many Young Men in their Twenties reporting being burned out to our young Women. We went from in the 1960s Women screaming “We do Not Want to be Treated as Sex Objects” to “Cuntfests” and Women proclaiming themselves to be **bleep** Warriors. We are our Vaginas declare women in the **bleep** Monologues. How is that working for you Ladies? Is it getting you what you want??

The Marriage Strike is becoming a Relationship Strike by Men and withdrawl from our culture. Our percentage of Men in College is down to 40% and still shrinking. Today a new Study is posted showing that the Gender of the Teacher effects the Learning of the pupils. When Men suggested all male Class NOW went Postal. Feminists see attempts to help Men as attacks on Women. We are fed up with your crap. I have been hearing this garbage, insane thinking, propaganda and outright lies for 4 decades. I have decided to retire outside of the US Sex Prison for Men . I am acquiring property elsewhere. And will come to visit my Children and Grandsons. I hate our Nanny Government, Women only matter and Men are disposable.

My Uncles stormed the beaches of Salerno, Normandy, Tarawa, and fought in the Battle of the Bulge, Bastogne. Two did not come home from World War Two. Once Uncle fought with the Marines at Iowa Jima, went to Korea and did two tours in VietNam. My Ancestors came here in the 1700s and a Great Uncle was a presiding Judge at the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal appointed by Harry Truman.

America has become a Gynocracy where only Women matter. Men and our problems are invisible. The Consumer spending is driven by Female Demand and purchases. Men labor as Wage Slaves to support Women and then are called Oppressors. This Oppressor is voting with his feet.

Real Estate overseas in male Friendly Countries has tripled and quadrupled in value. I have lived overseas, already speak two languages and will learn a third. Your feelings are irrelevant to me. And your complaints are falling on deaf ears. “You have sown the Wind. Reap the Whirlwind of your hatred for Men.”

08-29-2006 07:49 PM

Re: The Marriage Strike is On
Back2TheKitchen
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Back2TheKitchen
rjmck, you’ve highlighted one issue of many.

The fact that American Women have allowed a small minority of Feminists to speak for them while they stood on the side and did nothing about it speaks volumes.

What are American Women who disagree with the Feminist lies doing to remedy this situation? What are they doing to reverse our anti-male, anti-father, anti-family culture?

The answer? Nothing.

If you think we’ll “call off the strike” because of this one issue, you’re sorely mistaken.

The Feminists have succeeded at their goal of destroying marriage and the family.

You destroy the family; you destroy the country.

That’s precisely what we’re witnessing.

Until American Women Renounce Feminism, and start to reverse this situation, the strike will continue and increase.

And if American Women think you’ll get on our good side by claiming you’re not a feminist, think again.

As Eli J. would say, “SUCK IT UP BITCHES!”

http://www.mattweeks.com/strike.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_strike

“With women or the female mindset imparted through feminization on the vast majority of society, it will be very easy to control the Empire…I mean…the republic.” – mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com

08-29-2006 08:26 PM

Re: The Marriage Strike is On
shovel
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shovel
Sorry Shovel, your point isn’t clear. Perhaps if it sucks so much to have all the control, women could give an equal portion back to men rather than fighting for all of it. Your response actually surprises me, as I’ve yet to see a feminist ever argue for gender equality for men, as many of the male posters would agree. If women really do want to heal the rift, they’re going to have to be the ones to do it, however, Having taken “all of the control” as you put it, only they can do something about it. Until they do, men are going to exert the only control they have left, and write women out of their lives. That’s the bottom line to all of the threads currently running– we’re just sick and tired of women’s attitudes and behaviours, and unless you change in a big way, not only career women, but all of you, are going to have to get used to a life without men.

First of all the control comment referred to physical reproductive control. Since we have the hardware, we kind of have first say in what happens. It’s obviously not an easy process (when medical professionals ask a woman about her number on the pain scale, they will often ask if she has endured childbirth), but it’s evidently done all the time for “desired” babies. Once in a while, it’s going to happen for a baby undesired by the guy. That’s just how it is.

I also hate to break it to you guys, but a “marriage strike” isn’t going to target your desired demographic. Lots of feminists aren’t so hot on marriage to begin with, and it’s just not a priority for others, rather just seeing how things turn out. The ones who would get offended are technically not feminists…they’re the ones who have benefitted from feminism, but don’t want to identify themselves as such. They are the ones who want you to pay for all their dinners, and insist on the big diamond rings. See a pattern?

08-30-2006 02:31 AM

Re: The Marriage Strike is On
rjmck
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rjmck

Sorry Shovel, but your point is a non sequiteur. Women can still have control over whether they have children or not– this isn’t a dimunition of their own control. But one reason often given for abortion is that women do not feel financially and/or emotionally capable of raising a child, and therefore should be allowed to abort it. What I’m pointing out is that men ought to have the same control. They will not be able to abort the child, of course, merely sign off on their responsibility to be a parent, just as women can. And although I am not a frequenter of feminists sites, I have yet to hear any woman argue for more equality when it comes to abortion. If females wish to heal the rift between men and women, then they might begin by showing that they actually believe their claims about equality for both sexes, rather than the hypocrisy of the feminist position currently.
As for your claim about targeting the wrong demographic with a marriage strike, you seem to have missed the point here. Although many men are arguing that they have no interest in career women (whom they seem to have confused with feminists), they are in fact saying that they don’t want to marry any women, as they have too much power in the law when it comes to divorce. Your own points about women who just want to use men for their money make this point in an even more profound way– it isn’t even divorce that’s the problem. It’s women in general, and their attitudes towards men and money. Of course, I want to avoid an overgeneralization here- there are some good women out there who treat men as eqauls and who are willing to marry a guy for who he is. But many, many of the men on this site have argued that their general experience with women  shows that there are very few of those good women out there.
I have another post wherein I talk about the effects of female hypergamy (“Are American Men just fed up with women?”). You might want to check out. This is where I point out why this problem is happening on what I think is a more fundamental level– feminists just didn’t understand the dynamic that exists in human sexual relations, and now this generation of women are paying for it. That’s the subtext of so many female posts on this site arguing why men ought to marry career women. The scary thing is that the young guys seem to be saying they’re no longer interested in women for anything except a quick screw. What a shame for everyone.

08-30-2006 12:54 PM

Re: The Marriage Strike is On
shovel
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shovel
Of course, I want to avoid an overgeneralization here- there are some good women out there who treat men as eqauls and who are willing to marry a guy for who he is. But many, many of the men on this site have argued that their general experience with women shows that there are very few of those good women out there.

Ok, let’s take the percentage of women who do apply feminism to their relationships…let’s say you find a girl who regularly goes Dutch, or take turns paying for dates. To whom will she be attracted? She’s most likely not going to go for the kind of guy who wants a SAHW and recognized as “head of household.” This itself may be overgeneralizing, but the point is, these women are out there. Now, if you prefer a woman who will defer to you, then you aren’t attracting a woman who wants to be in an equal relationship. That’s why a lot of men here will deny they exist. What I can say is that women who desire equal relationships in NO way “hate” men…quite the opposite, I assure you.

08-31-2006 03:48 AM

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rjmck
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Shovel– good to hear. You’re position is very close to my own, in fact. I’ve been married to one of the women that you describe for 35 years– a successful career woman who has perfectly complemented my own career. We’ve raised three great kids, and are very well off financially. The bottom line, actually, is that the best solution to all of this is not, not to marry any woman, or a career woman, but to marry a good one who’ll stick with you.
But the guys here who haven’t had my luck are saying that the risk is not worth the reward. Getting a 35 year marriage to a career woman is difficult. Of my close friends, 9 couples have divorced in the last 15 years. In only one case do I blame the guy– in 7 of the other 8 cases, she cheated and left him. In one of those cases, it was the second time she had been caught. He killed hi9mself. Sher collected the insurance, and is now living with another man. In 6 of those cases, she tried to stick him with the bills while she took the assests. One of these cases is now ongoing.
The problem isn’t women (although it’s clear from many posts that American men don’t have as high an opinion of women as women have of themselves.) Part of what’s going on here is that the women just don’t seem to get it: cut through all of the misogynist crap, the fundamentalist Christian nonsense, and the illogical non sequiteurs, and there remains a core of real, justified anger toward what men feel feminism has done to male-female relationships. It’s no good claiming, as so many women here do, that feminism is about making people equal. They are right to demand equality. Trouble is, that isn’t what feminism has delivered for men, no matter how feminists want to spin it.
Remember the old saying “To be conscious and to be female is to be in a constant state of rage”? Well, now that’s how men feel. If you’re old enough to remember the world before feminism, and how women felt, then you’ll begin to get how men feel now.
Until the laws change to make marriage a more equal contract, I’m afraid the marriage strike is on, and spreading. What a shame.

08-31-2006 12:15 PM

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