Women still don’t get it


Reader Response to “Don’t Marry Career Women” – Women still don’t get it

Women still don’t get it
juliandroms
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juliandroms

Missem said:

1. What about “career men” leaving their wives for coworkers? Just because we’re women, we automatically become sluts at work?

YOU STILL DON’T GET IT.

(A) WE DON’T GIVE A RAT’S ARSE HOW OFTEN OTHER MEN CHEAT, the advice column WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR A FEMALE AUDIENCE. If you (a female) wanted to write a column directed at other females advising them NOT TO MARRY MEN WITH CAREERS, GO AHEAD BE MY GUEST! For reasons that are unknown to me, I doubt any of your female friends will listen.

Having said that, males initiate divorce 1/2 as often as females, so at least so far as divorce is concerned, men having or not having a career does not affect divorce rates. In fact, I bet if you looked deeper into the studies, you’d find that men without careers probably end up divorced more often.

Missem said:

2. Men who make remarks like that are so incapable of self analysis that it’s laughable–“Oh, she left me–it must be because she’s a **bleep**. There couldn’t possibly be anything wrong with ME, a self-centered sexist a-hole!”

Actually, more often the reverse is true. More often, it’s a female alleging, “There couldn’t possibly be anything wrong with anything I did because I’m a sweet innocent young thing.” Bull.

08-29-2006 01:38 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
cupcake
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08-29-2006 01:55 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
cupcake
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cupcake

Oops. Sorry about the blank post.

As to why women divorce men more often…  Since men cheat more often and are many, many times more likely to beat their spouses, I think that women have plenty of reasons beyond stealing your money and whatnot.

Marriage has always been worse for women than it has for men.  That’s why we have to pushed so hard and bribed with the parties and attention and such to swallow the inequity.  Plus we’re afraid of the repercussions.  If we’re not married, society essentially says “**bleep** you cat lady!” while labeling us sluts, our kids bastards and our parents failures.  Happy anniversary everybody!

08-29-2006 02:02 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
warbaby
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warbaby

cupcake wrote:

Oops. Sorry about the blank post.

As to why women divorce men more often…  Since men cheat more often and are many, many times more likely to beat their spouses, I think that women have plenty of reasons beyond stealing your money and whatnot.

Marriage has always been worse for women than it has for men.  That’s why we have to pushed so hard and bribed with the parties and attention and such to swallow the inequity.  Plus we’re afraid of the repercussions.  If we’re not married, society essentially says “**bleep** you cat lady!” while labeling us sluts, our kids bastards and our parents failures.  Happy anniversary everybody!

Sources? Please back up your assertions that marriage has equalled slavery for women, and that men cheat more often and are many, many times more likely to beat their spouses. Provable sources, please. Not feminist propaganda.

08-29-2006 02:14 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet
“men are many, many times more likely to beat their spouses,”

Whoops! Very common but blatantly false statement alert!

http://www.mediaradar.org/media_fact_sheet.php

Yet another host of statistics saying something that feminists would rather not hear, from the start:

Psychologist John Archer reviewed hundreds of studies and concluded, “Women were slightly more likely than men to use one or more act of physical aggression and to use such acts more frequently.” [Source: John Archer: Sex differences in aggression between heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review. Psychological Bulletin, Vol. 126, No. 5, pages 651-680]

The latest Personal Safety Survey in Australia also debunks this myth. Go to :

http://www.abs.gov.au/

and do a search for it if you don’t believe me.

Feminist love saying that and it’s a lie. Why do feminists lie?

Message Edited by Happy_Bullet on 08-29-2006 02:26 AM

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

08-29-2006 02:25 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
bowenj10
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bowenj10

Thank you for getting to it before I did.  One thing that I should point out is that over the past decade there has been a decline in domestic violence perpetrated against women by almost 50%.  That’s right, 50.  There has not been such a decrease in the violence against men.  My numbers come from the DOJ.  Look it up.  I have seen the other references that you’ve posted.

As to the alleged cheating.  If you do a google on the subject, you will find various articles referencing studies that show women are cheating more and more.

One thing that she doesn’t mention is the fact that women benefit when either party cheats in a marriage.  As previously stated in another thread, the advent of no-fault divorce has allowed women to sleep with whomever they want to and still take a man to court for vaginamony and the 50%.  I have a feeling that once vaginamony is scrapped, there will be a drop in either cheating or marriage, or both.

08-29-2006 03:15 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet
No probs Bowen,

I’ve seen statistics that the rate of children being unwittingly fathered by their non-biological father is 1 in 6 in the UK, but here’s a more compelling statistic:

A 1999 study by the American Association of Blood Banks that found that in 30 percent of 280,000 blood tests performed to determine paternity, the man tested was not the biological father.

Women cheat marginally less than men, but when women cheat some unwitting guy will end up raising the resultant kids as his own.

A lot of feminist organisations have to update their statistics as a result of the Personal Safety Survey, including Amnesty International with their Stop Violence Against Women campaign whose statistics are now way off.

It’s not surprising a lot of people unwittingly believe men are far more violent in relationships with the amount of falsehoods spread about it though.

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

08-29-2006 03:49 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
Jet_Jaguar
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Jet_Jaguar

The difference is that those men who are getting beaten up by their spouses deserve it.  I’m sure they did something so that those women could justifiably beat them.  That’s why Lorena Bobbit did what she did and she was right to do it, because her husband was a jerk and he deserved it.
And now men are paying for 3000 years of men oppressing women, and stuff.  So, you go grrls!  Women are just getting revenge for 10,000 years of oppression.  And even though none of us are 50,000 years old, we still must pay for the sins of the fathers.

08-29-2006 03:58 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
bowenj10
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bowenj10

What you are suggesting brings to mind another controversial subject.  Slave reparations.  I always use this as my example to show these women how ignorant and rediculous that argument is.

Basically, there are these groups who are trying (unsuccesssfully thank god) to lobby for reparations.  They want the government (who gets its monies from the people – you and I) to hand every black person who is a descendant of a former slave (how they would prove that is not one of the priorities of these groups) a big fat check.  Nevermind the fact that millions of people immigrate to this country every year and have no family that is in any way connected to slavery.  Nevermind the fact that there is not a person alive today who was alive when slavery was legal.  Those arguments are lost on such hardliners.  Basically, they want to rob from Peter to pay Paul, even though Peter may have nothing to do with happened to Paul.

This is the basic logic behind feminism as we know it today.  Feminists think that it is ok that the laws are slanted in favor of women because men had it easy years ago, even though the vast majority of men today weren’t alive or in any position to do anything about it.  Two wrongs make a right in their book, and anyone who says otherwise must be a misogynist or have “mommy issues”.

08-29-2006 04:16 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
Doc_Savage
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Jet_Jaguar wrote:
The difference is that those men who are getting beaten up by their spouses deserve it.  I’m sure they did something so that those women could justifiably beat them.  That’s why Lorena Bobbit did what she did and she was right to do it, because her husband was a jerk and he deserved it.
And now men are paying for 3000 years of men oppressing women, and stuff.  So, you go grrls!  Women are just getting revenge for 10,000 years of oppression.  And even though none of us are 50,000 years old, we still must pay for the sins of the fathers.

So two wrongs make a right do they?

Normally I believe that the issue should be debated in general terms because the article that started this was a talking about general trends and not specifics. But if I may I’d like to bring my own personal history into this for a moment.

My father was a wife beater. When I was 16 he split (taking a considerable sum of family savings) and my mother had a nervous breakdown and turned to drink. I had a brother 4 years younger than me still at school so I got a job and became the primary bread winner (although I was only earning what amounted to a pittance).

I’ve had several long term relationships but have never married or had kids. I’ve had many more short flings and one night stands. I have never ever hit a woman in my life and I’m now 45.

As far as violence towards me from women the only serious incident took place in a resteraunt when I called my then girlfriends cooking rubbish. She stabbed me with a fork on the back of my hand.

Your telling me that I should pay for my fathers sins?

Please explain?

08-29-2006 06:10 AM

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Re: Women still don’t get it
crella
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crella
I just think he was being ironic.

08-29-2006 06:30 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
juliandroms
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juliandroms

Cupcake said:
As to why women divorce men more often…  Since men cheat more often and are many, many times more likely to beat their spouses, I think that women have plenty of reasons beyond stealing your money and whatnot.

No, this is just another example of what I was speaking about.

It’s another example of yet another woman who maintains, “I am a tender sweet young thing and therefore how could you dare think of me capable of so much as a crooked thought you bad bad man.” Which is in fact a load of bull.

Both of her allegations are completely false.

Here is an aggregate of 147 studies which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners:

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

Most of the studies initiated at the behest of feminist groups which are alleged to demonsrate that men are more likely to be violent don’t even look at female on male violence. They don’t want to ask about it, because they don’t want to know about it.

And while it is arguable true that women 50 years ago were less likely to cheat, studies performed within the last few decades show that in anonymous surveys, women now admit to cheating almost as often, if not as often as men. And that’s just the number who will admit to it! There is now even evidence that women will lie and misrepresent the true extent of their sexual activities, even when asked about it on anonymous surveys!

http://hubel.sfasu.edu/courseinfo/articles/sex_lies.htm

Sweet tender young things, my ass! Of the couples I know of where cheating has occurred, it is by far more common for the woman to cheat. The only difference is, they’ll lie after the fact and allege that the previous relationship was over before it was really over.

And to add insult to injury, my best friend’s wife cheated on him and she still got custody of the kids and the house!

Women in this country are officially now freaking ridiculous.

Tender sweet young thing — yeah, right.

Message Edited by juliandroms on 08-29-2006 02:54 PM

08-29-2006 06:34 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
leeraconteur
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leeraconteur

Since men cheat more often…

This is no longer the case.

A 1997 Ball State University study suggests that young women, those under age 40, are just as likely to commit adultery as men their age.

Peggy Vaughan, author of The Monogamy Myth, numbers show that 60% of men, and about 40% of women, will have at least one extramarital affair in their lifetime. However, since she also concludes that accuracy is questionable to some extent, there is no way to be certain. The Kinsey Report stated that 50-60% of middle and upper-income males under the age of 60 had participated in at least one affair, and that 40-50% of women in the same bracket had done so.

are many, many times more likely to beat their spouses,

Ah, the BIG LIE.  Domestic Violence is perpetrated at almost equal levels.

-55% male on female.
-45% female on male.

This, under no stretch of anyone’s imagination, could never be construed as ‘many, many times more likely to beat their spouses.’

08-29-2006 07:47 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
Doc_Savage
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Doc_Savage

crella wrote:
I just think he was being ironic.

After reading some other posts by Jet Jaguar I realise that now.

Duuuuuh.

08-29-2006 07:55 AM

Re: Women still don’t get it
khankrumthebulg
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khankrumthebulg
Did Lorena Bobbit’s Mother deserve to be attacked by Lorena with an 8″ Butcher Knife too? Yes Lorena took a knife to her Mother in an arguement. It seems Ms. Bobbit has some anger control issues. If the tables were reveresed whould a Woman deserve having a knife used to remove Body parts, in other words to be mutilated? This is classic FemNag thinking. Violence against Men is okay they deserved it. Trouble is now that thinking extends to Boys even.

With campaigns like the T Shirts “Boys are Stupid Throw Rocks At Them”.
Or our current Educational System that drugs 5 Million of our School Age Boys into submission because of the crime of being born Male.

08-29-2006 08:25 AM

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