Fatherlessness in Prison Following Fathers Footsteps?


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Fatherlessness in Prison Following Fathers Footsteps?
jewels
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jewels

This is a serious problem and will have wide repercussions since young men are following their fathers and grandfathers into the prison system.  The baggy pants fashion which is popular in certain cultures today comes from the prison garb look, due to lack of belts being issued, and poor-fitting pants.  Where is that going?

75% IN PRISON FATHERLESS (majority African-American males?)
excerpts from David Blankenhorn
Author of Fatherless America
President of the Institute for American Values

Many African-American men in prison grew up in the ghetto without a father in the poor, black neighborhoods and projects because their own father was in prison, took off, didn’t care, or didn’t get along with baby-mama. Their mothers were ghetto poor, uneducated working long hours at low paying jobs. Compare to career women who DON’T live in the ghetto and can afford to hire sufficient child care services.
Note: FATHERLESSNESS NOT CAUSED BY CAREER WOMEN

The cycle of fatherlessness in black communities has been going on for generations. Almost seven out of 10 black children in the United States are born to unwed mothers.
Note: FATHERLESSNESS NOT CAUSED BY CAREER WOMEN

“There is a growing recognition that the single biggest crisis in the African-American community today — is massive separation of children from their fathers,” said David Blankenhorn, author of Fatherless America and president of the Institute for American Values, New York-based nonpartisan marriage-advocacy organization.
Once a week, he goes back to the Orange County Jail to tell his story to juveniles who have been charged as adults. Most of them are black, many of them are without fathers. Some are fathers themselves.
Note:  FATHERLESSNESS NOT CAUSED BY CAREER WOMEN

In the poor black neighborhoods most kids grow up without fathers. On Ivey Lane in Orlando, 68 percent of black children live in fatherless households. In Pine Hills, 77 percent of black children are living without dads.
Note: FATHERLESSNESS NOT CAUSED BY CAREER WOMEN

In the Metro Orlando area of Orange, Seminole, Osceola and Lake counties, nearly half of all black families are without fathers.
Note: FATHERLESSNESS NOT CAUSED BY CAREER WOMEN

The big rich basketball players are the role models and most of them have lots of children with unwed mothers.
Note: FATHERLESSNESS NOT CAUSED BY CAREER WOMEN

09-05-2006 07:40 PM

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juliandroms
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juliandroms
S H A R E D C U S T O D Y

09-05-2006 08:06 PM

Re: Fatherlessness in Prison Following Fathers Footsteps?
jewels
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jewels

N O   A R G U M E N T    F R O M    M E!

09-05-2006 08:09 PM

Re: Fatherlessness in Prison Following Fathers Footsteps?
Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
Hi there Jewels!!

I thought you were leaving us?? I knew you just couldn’t stay away!

Please read, from my earlier post on the “Ladies your anger is misplaced thread”:

How do we know that Feminism is the key factor in the destruction of the Mother Father married family? Please note:

The Real Danger of Same-Sex Marriage
By Stephen Baskerville
http://www.profam.org/pub/xfia_cur.htm

“…Marriage turns a man from a sperm donor into a parent and thus creates paternal authority, allowing a man to exercise the authority over children that otherwise would be exercised by the mother alone. Feminists understand this when they renounce marriage as an institution of “patriarchy.”[20] Among some conservatives, it has become almost a cliché that marriage exists foremost to civilize men and control their promiscuity.[21] If so, it performs this role as part of a larger function: to protect the father-child bond and with it the intact family. This point, potentially the strongest in their case, is overlooked by some traditionalists who argue that marriage undergirds civilization. For it is the presence of the father that creates both the intact family and, by the same measure, the civil institution itself. Thomas Hobbes attributed to married fatherhood a central role in the process of moving from the state of nature into civic life. In nature, Hobbes argued, “the dominion is in the mother”:

For in the condition of mere nature, where there are no matrimonial laws, it cannot be known who is the father, unless it be declared by the mother. And therefore the right of dominion over the child dependeth on her will and is consequently hers.[22]
Only in civil society, where “matrimonial laws” do operate, is authority over children shared with the father…

… The Abolition of Marriage
Some three decades ago, while few were paying attention, the Western world embarked on what may turn out to be the boldest social experiment in its history. With no public discussion of the possible consequences, laws were enacted in virtually every jurisdiction that effectively ended marriage as a legal contract. Today it is not possible to form a binding agreement to create a family.
The result was more than the removal of government from enforcement of the contract; it allowed the government to enforce the abrogation of the contract. Regardless of the terms by which a marriage is entered, government officials can, at the request of one spouse, simply dissolve it (and the household created by it) over the objection of the other with no penalty to the moving party. (Maggie) Gallagher aptly titled her 1996 book, The Abolition of Marriage. It is difficult to see how legalizing gay marriage can weaken an institution that has already been legally “abolished,” nor how a constitutional amendment can protect a contract that is now unenforceable in law.

In contrast to same-sex marriage, no-fault divorce was never subject to a public debate. Gallagher once attributed this silence to “political cowardice”: “Opposing gay marriage or gays in the military is for Republicans an easy, juicy, risk-free issue,” she complained. “The message [is] that at all costs we should keep divorce off the political agenda.” No American politician of national stature has seriously challenged involuntary divorce. “Democrats did not want to anger their large constituency among women who saw easy divorce as a hard-won freedom and prerogative,” writes Barbara Dafoe Whitehead. “Republicans did not want to alienate their upscale constituents or their libertarian wing, both of whom tended to favor easy divorce, nor did they want to call attention to the divorces among their own leadership.”[39] In his famous denunciation of single parenthood, Vice President Dan Quayle was careful to make clear, “I am not talking about a situation where there is a divorce.”[40] The exception proves the rule. When the late Pope John Paul II spoke out against divorce in January 2002, he was roundly criticized from both the right and the left.[41]…

…This is only one example of how the penal consequences of marital weakening are not symmetrical. Overwhelmingly when children are involved, the spouse on whom the penal apparatus will be brought to bear, and who will experience the state’s growing capacity to seize children and criminalize the involuntarily divorced, is the father.
Some believe this is logical, and it may be inevitable. Certainly it would be appropriate if, as popularly believed, the father is the one abandoning the marriage. In fact, when children are involved, the divorcing parent is almost always the mother, usually without grounds.[65]

The failure of policymakers to accept this fact, and instead to address its symptoms, has led to ever-more invasive measures into private life and a panoply of highly repressive law-enforcement actions against primarily (though not exclusively) fathers. These are invariably justified to protect and provide for women and children once the father is gone. Yet these policies create the very fatherless homes they ostensibly assist. They are presented as responses to alleged social problems that were not problems only a few years ago: domestic violence, child abuse, and child support. Significantly, no public outcry ever demanded a government response to these claimed ills; the initiative has come entirely from government officials and government-funded interest groups.
Foremost among these are feminists. For the criminalization of divorced fathers did not come about by accident, and neither did no-fault divorce. Growing out of the cultural climate of the sexual revolution, it was really feminists who created the divorce revolution. The National Association of Women Lawyers (NAWL) claims credit for pioneering no-fault divorce, which it describes as “the greatest project NAWL has ever undertaken.” “By 1977,” NAWL proudly notes, “the ideal of no-fault divorce became the guiding principle for reform of divorce laws in the majority of states.”[66] Divorce has a long feminist pedigree,[67] and Germaine Greer argues that the high divorce rate should be celebrated as the major sign of feminist progress.[68] Today, divorce liberalization continues to be promoted by feminist activists worldwide, often unopposed as a “human rights” measure. When Spain’s socialist government came to power in 2004, their three domestic priorities were legalized abortion, same-sex marriage, and liberalized divorce. Turkey was forced to withdraw a proposal to criminalize adultery by the European Union, but liberal divorce counted in their favor.
Divorce has actualized the radical feminist dream of political warfare against men, and unlike other items on the feminist agenda, it has done so virtually unchallenged. By playing upon popular and conservative sympathy for women and children and the fear of all politicians and advocacy groups to be seen as defending wife-beaters, child molesters, and “deadbeat dads,” the feminist-driven divorce industry has launched, with hardly a voice of opposition, the greatest destruction of constitutional liberties in the Western world today. Dean Roscoe Pound has said that “the powers of the Star Chamber were a trifle in comparison with those of our juvenile court and courts of domestic relations.”[69]..(Baskerville)”

There you have it. FEMINISTS destroyed Marriage through the ABOLITION of marriage via NO FAULT DIVORCE. Do you think Feminists such as yourself are satisfied?

Of course not! Please read:

Feminists call for abolition of marriage

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2055&date=20050909
Published: 9th September 2005 10:56 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2055

As Sweden’s Feminist Initiative meets in Örebro on Friday for its annual general meeting, one of the group’s more radical proposals has been revealed: the abolition of marriage.

Instead the group, which is expected to become a fully-fledged political party following the meeting, wants a ‘cohabitation law’ which ignores gender – and allows for more than two people to be included.
The proposal is one of the group’s ‘prioritised political demands’ which the newspaper Svenska Dagbladet got hold of before the meeting.

FI founder and board member, Tiina Rosenberg, told the paper that the group wants to create “a modern concept which does not favour and promote couples and heterosexual norms…”

Let me continue, so I can drive this concept home that FEMINISTS have always agitated for the destruction of the family and marriage.
And Fathers are ESSENTIAL for the well being of their children.
Yes I know that there are economic and other social changes that have their part to play; but the assault on Fathers and Marriage by Feminists, is the key catalyst.

Welcome back!

09-05-2006 09:23 PM

Re: Fatherlessness in Prison Following Fathers Footsteps?
jewels
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jewels

Mamonaku wrote:
Hi there Jewels!!

I thought you were leaving us?? I knew you just couldn’t stay away!

Hi M – generally your style of writing portrays a good and kind, humble and faithful spiritual man of quiet firm belief.  Many on this forum are not in your class sir. Respect given is respect returned.

Frankly I don’t know much about f**inists dogma, and don’t like how the word is bandied about to portray that all women of intelligence are Black Widow spiders. There is much misunderstanding among the genders.  So what else is new since the beginning of time.

I’ll delight to read your posting in next couple days – busy for now and must go.

09-05-2006 09:42 PM

Re: Fatherlessness in Prison Following Fathers Footsteps?
Freeyourself
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Freeyourself

jewels wrote:

Mamonaku wrote:
Hi there Jewels!!

I thought you were leaving us?? I knew you just couldn’t stay away!

Hi M – generally your style of writing portrays a good and kind, humble and faithful spiritual man of quiet firm belief.  Many on this forum are not in your class sir. Respect given is respect returned.

Frankly I don’t know much about f**inists dogma, and don’t like how the word is bandied about to portray that all women of intelligence are Black Widow spiders. There is much misunderstanding among the genders.  So what else is new since the beginning of time.

I’ll delight to read your posting in next couple days – busy for now and must go.

Most women will deny their Feminists but will never give up laws like no fault divorce. If you deny by word but agree by action then I would consider you a Feminist.

09-05-2006 10:06 PM

Re: Fatherlessness in Prison Following Fathers Footsteps?
Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
“Hi M – generally your style of writing portrays a good and kind, humble and faithful spiritual man of quiet firm belief. Many on this forum are not in your class sir. Respect given is respect returned.”

/Bow

Thank you.

Strong men are naturally kind.

I don’t hate the player, I hate the game.

Based on what I have read, you are probably my mother’s age, and I bet that your experience rasing your children was paraell to my experiences growing up with just my Mother, younger brother and I.

One should respect their elders after all. That’s basic.

On my cosmic journies, I discovered that we have all been had by this thang called Feminism, which, if you have read some of my other posts, was set up by godless Men who called themselves Nilists, Socialists, and Communists.

What happened was that a Frenchwoman named Simone de Beauvoir (please Google for more info), and her contemporaries, took up the banner of Marxism and ran with it.

And sealed us all into one Doom.

Some of the Men here are more strident than others. We MRAs are a big tent.

Some of us are like Brother King, who said we will learn to Live together… or die together as fools.

Some of us are like Brother Malcom, who demanded civil rights by any means necessary.

Even in the Mens Movement, you have diversity of opinion.

But we Men collectively understand what has happened to us. We see where this dark road leads. And we are raising our voices loudly in alarm.

You might have seen that movie “Return of the King?”

You are living during the age when Men will come into their own. And we will not be denied. You know it, and I know it.

Men have been slumbering for quite a while now… handing over our personal power to women, who, by and large, never asked to carry 100% of the burden. We are waking up.

We are a big tent, but we are very dedicated in our purpose. Feminism, and Feminist thought, will not long survive.

So Mother (a mark of respect in Asia), come with us. Join our cause.

You don’t know me personally. However, I can guess that your sons may be feeling the same as I felt; not sure what my place was, not knowing what was expected of me as a man, feared and hated by many just for being a man. Looked upon as a future abuser, a future murderer.

Feminism has done this to millions of men all over this nation… indeed the entire English speaking world.

But your sons can never express these feelings to you, or to anyone. They most likely keep it inside, as I did. They will struggle on, and never let the world know about their hurts.

Help them. Take our words (minus the cursing of course!) to heart.
Open your mind for their sake. Unlearn what you have learned. Then, pass the information on to others.

I’m not asking you to blindly believe what I say, but ponder what you have read thus far.

Please.

http://www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com/artman/publish/
http://awomanagainstfeminism.blogspot.com/

09-05-2006 10:19 PM

Re: Fatherlessness in Prison Following Fathers Footsteps?
c4d
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c4d
hey blah blah blah blah blah.. miss NO MEANS NO if those women said NO those prison bound unqualified fathers would have NEVER HAD KIDS

09-05-2006 10:38 PM

Re: Fatherlessness in Prison Following Fathers Footsteps?
Happy_Bullet
Regular Contributor
Happy_Bullet
Boys without fathers grow up with a higher likelihood of ending up in prison. Okay that’s a given.

Boys WITH fathers don’t have that same likelihood.

How then can the situation of “without” fathers be attributed more to “following in their father’s footsteps” than the situation of WITH fathers and the boys thus being under MORE of their father’s influence?

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-06-2006 09:24 PM

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