Find Nice Wife Abroad? Think Again, Guys


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EnglishProf
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Take a look at this article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14535863/site/newsweek/

Even in traditionally conservative societies, women and couples are navigating new issues having to do with career, parenting, etc.

I don’t understand what is wrong with change.  Societies change and develop, as do people.  Besides, the Victorian myth of the domestic goddess, the “wife and mother,” the “angel of the house” is exactly that–a myth created in the 19th century.  Most women throughout centuries and cultures have had to contribute to their households and societies by doing work both inside and outside of the household.

I think this entire forum has been soured by a select group of upper-crust business men who have had their relationships end in divorce, or who have dated women who weren’t right for them.

No wonder feminism blossomed in the 60s, as women had had enough of the unabashed male ego and inflexibility exhibited in many of these posts.

So, go ahead, find yourself a “male centered” society and look for a wife there.  But you will still not be happy because the root of the problem has not changed–you have not solved your own emotional and spiritual issues.  You will continue to see life in terms of supply/demand, asset/liability.  Along the way, you may find that those “submissive” “foreign” women are much more like American women than you thought.

Actually, if you really think about it, the discussions on this post about finding a wife abroad should be extremely insulting to all of those women of different ethnicities who have immigrated to this country recently.  Racist is actually the better term.  You are objectifying the foreign “other” and seeking to obtain her to satisfy your own desires.  In historical and literary scholarship, we call that colonialism.

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08-31-2006 10:31 AM

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moneyneversleep
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Lets get something quite clear here.  Marriage is a losing proposition period for a man within the current legal climate.  That is a fact.   I agree with you that going overseas to seek a bride is useless as a man will merely bring them here, they will get citizenship, can sue for divorce and the result is the same as marrying a woman who is already here.  Men, if you are going to get married, don’t be afraid to REQUIRE a prenuptial agreement which lessens the incentive to steal.  Equality means that women are as capable of being adults as you are, hold them to that standard.  Have a woman waive spousal support and the share of the estate you have built.  Do not allow child support to be increased artificially to accomodate veiled spousal support within child support guidelines.   I am all for people getting married provided the consequences are shared in a manner which recognizes the financial contribution of both parties, the assets prior to marriage, income, etc. and does not let either party unreasonably profit from the other.  Remember, you are all about equality.  All people must be held accountable, responsible and liable for the consequences of their decisions and actions.  I like no fault divorce (I, personally, am agnostic so I won’t bother trotting out religious ideology to support any position, as it is flawed) and it won’t change, but don’t profit from someone merely by divorcing.  This would enable a man to justify marrying a career woman, if he wishes to take that risk, provided it is a level playing field with a prenuptial agreement and he doesn’t have to fight to see his children in the event of divorce.  What say you to that?  Remember, marriage is the creation of a corporation and when there is a divorce the first thing most women ask is how much are they going to get.  So, knowing that gives a man the power to level the playing field.  The author of the original article is right.  If you wish to have children and a stable family it is unlikely to be achieved with a career woman.  A simple, but accurate, premise.

08-31-2006 10:41 AM

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Antiriad
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Even in traditionally conservative societies, women and couples are navigating new issues having to do with career, parenting, etc.

I don’t understand what is wrong with change.

Reality belies this level of wishful thinking:

Liberal politics will prove fruitless as long as liberals refuse to multiply.

Simply put, liberals have a big baby problem: They’re not having enough of them, they haven’t for a long time, and their pool of potential new voters is suffering as a result. According to the 2004 General Social Survey, if you picked 100 unrelated politically liberal adults at random, you would find that they had, between them, 147 children. If you picked 100 conservatives, you would find 208 kids. That’s a “fertility gap” of 41%. Given that about 80% of people with an identifiable party preference grow up to vote the same way as their parents, this gap translates into lots more little Republicans than little Democrats to vote in future elections. Over the past 30 years this gap has not been below 20%–explaining, to a large extent, the current ineffectiveness of liberal youth voter campaigns today.

Alarmingly for the Democrats, the gap is widening at a bit more than half a percentage point per year, meaning that today’s problem is nothing compared to what the future will most likely hold. Consider future presidential elections in a swing state (like Ohio), and assume that the current patterns in fertility continue. A state that was split 50-50 between left and right in 2004 will tilt right by 2012, 54% to 46%. By 2020, it will be certifiably right-wing, 59% to 41%. A state that is currently 55-45 in favor of liberals (like California) will be 54-46 in favor of conservatives by 2020–and all for no other reason than babies.

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08-31-2006 10:45 AM

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Cassius
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Even if i get married I still cant invest freely in my family. Gone are the times where a man could put his money in the education of his children. Nowdays a man has to buy 2 houses to make sure he has somewhere livible to go to if cupcake decides to kick him out because he forgot to take the thrash out he has to hide money and engage in all kinds of trickery to protect himself and on top of that if cupcake lets herself go and looses all interest in him because she just doesnt care he has to do hookers like some looser.

08-31-2006 10:50 AM

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…you have not solved your own emotional and spiritual issues…

We don’t have to. A capitalistic society (that same economic structure that provides enough individual wealth for that computer you are using right now) does not run on emotions and spiritual concerns. Our society – for better and worse – runs on supply and demand, tangible financial currency (cash), and the bottom line of business success as dictated by the financial balance sheet.

Historically, men have been the stewards of capitalism. Now, women are firmly ensconced in the the rough and tumble world of the social, capitalistic enterprise. But the fundamental rules of consumption, supply, labor, capital, and money have not changed a whit. Men know this. We are expected by society and women seeking to marry up to be successful in our capitalist society. Woe be unto the man who bails out of capitalism.

Emotions don’t buy shoes and SUVs. Spirituality is not accepted by the mortgage company as coin of the realm.

08-31-2006 10:54 AM

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I’d rather have a guy who is in tune with his spirituality than someone who can provide me with every material want.

This is the problem with our society and this entire discussion:  we have forgotten about the spiritual–we have lost our souls.

08-31-2006 11:05 AM

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Democles
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miscwit wrote:
…you have not solved your own emotional and spiritual issues…

We don’t have to. A capitalistic society (that same economic structure that provides enough individual wealth for that computer you are using right now) does not run on emotions and spiritual concerns. Our society – for better and worse – runs on supply and demand, tangible financial currency (cash), and the bottom line of business success as dictated by the financial balance sheet.

Historically, men have been the stewards of capitalism. Now, women are firmly ensconced in the the rough and tumble world of the social, capitalistic enterprise. But the fundamental rules of consumption, supply, labor, capital, and money have not changed a whit. Men know this. We are expected by society and women seeking to marry up to be successful in our capitalist society. Woe be unto the man who bails out of capitalism.

Emotions don’t buy shoes and SUVs. Spirituality is not accepted by the mortgage company as coin of the realm.

She does have a point there. Yes, the purpose of business is to make a profit, yet we are not soul-less drones. We can make all the money we want and still feel empty, most of us aspire to happiness (however you define happiness it’s another matter entirely). Don’t make light of her point, it is valid.

08-31-2006 11:05 AM

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Cassius
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EnglishProf if women are so enthralled with soulmates and spirituality how come they can not settle with less money and more spirituality ??

08-31-2006 11:05 AM

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moneyneversleep
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If you are seeking more emotional connection and spirituality then it should be no problem signing a prenuptial to allow you take that journey together.   Correct?  Ironic, since you are merely parrotting the same bullsh*t that most women say until, of course, they file for divorce and then ask how much they are going to get.

08-31-2006 11:13 AM

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Cassius
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But you still have a limit of materiality a guy has to provide do you ? can you go as low as 20k per year ?

08-31-2006 11:21 AM

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MartianBachelor
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Cassius wrote:
EnglishProf if women are so enthralled with soulmates and spirituality how come they can not settle with less money and more spirituality ??

Great point Cassius. I haven’t noticed poets and philosopher types having many groupies lately.

EnglishProf simply seems to be exhibiting what at its core is the same old-fashioned notion of women and men that she accuses others of harboring, that delicate womanhood needs protecting and bestial men need to be kept in line. Very Victorian…

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08-31-2006 11:51 AM

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Cassius writes:
“EnglishProf if women are so enthralled with soulmates and spirituality how come they can not settle with less money and more spirituality ??”

Some can, some can’t.  It depends upon the social circles in which one operates and sometimes geographical location (i.e. small town vs. NYC).

08-31-2006 12:02 PM

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EnglishProf
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“But you still have a limit of materiality a guy has to provide do you ? can you go as low as 20k per year?”

I’m doing it right now, as my husband is in school full-time.  Once he is finished, I  will cut down my working hours and we’ll think about kids.  It is all a partnership–a give and take on both sides.

08-31-2006 12:05 PM

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EnglishProf wrote:
“But you still have a limit of materiality a guy has to provide do you ? can you go as low as 20k per year?”

I’m doing it right now, as my husband is in school full-time.  Once he is finished, I  will cut down my working hours and we’ll think about kids.  It is all a partnership–a give and take on both sides.

99% of all women don’t think like this (which includes the ones who think they do but get tired of it over time and eventually seek a divorce).

It is therefore foolishly self-destructive for a man to think along these lines, especially when divorce and CS laws are heavily stacked against him.

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08-31-2006 12:23 PM

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EnglishProf- I come from the same academic background as you, and share the same values (as far as I can “deconstruct” you from your “text”). You are correct about seeking wives elsewhere, unless these men are just looking for submissive women rather than real partners. But Moneynever…is correct as well when he argues that marriage with any woman in this legal climate is not a good gamble. Yes, he is looking at it in very capitalistic terms, but marriage is at bottom a contract, even if it is also about emotional and spiritual connection.
What the men here are saying, if I read them correctly, is that feminism, although perhaps well intentioned, has had the unfortunate unintended consequence of making marriage just not worthwhile for men. This accounts for much (although not all) of their ire. To some extent, it has been women in academia who have created this unfortunate state of affairs. Women’s Studies programs have created a hostile academic environment for men for years, at least on my campus. The male marriage strike is a very serious and rather disturbing social trend, but it is unlikely that academics will pick up on it and begin to examine it seriously, because our work environment is so PC that any kind of challenge to the dominant feminist dogma would not stand a chance, in spite of our lip service to free speach and thought.

08-31-2006 12:29 PM

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PatriarchVerlch
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English Professor?

You must be a woman, with zero math skills.

Do some math sister. The divorce rate with foreign wives and American husbands is 10%.

Another thing men can do is marry Orthodox women. The divorce rate is 3%.

Be a Rich man. The divorce rate amongst rich men is 3%.

Try to avoid the secular atheist self centered career woman, the divorce rate is 80%. A cold woman with an emotional complex, is hardly stable marriage material. A man has to marry a woman that wants to be there ‘by choice.’ A woman that is willing to revolve around the marriage, not the marriage revolve around her.

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

08-31-2006 01:13 PM

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EnglishProf, do you think we’re impressed by the fact that you’re married to a student who temporarily  has a low salary?  The only reason you’re keeping him around is that he’ll be filthy rich once he graduates.

08-31-2006 01:24 PM

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juliandroms
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“Actually, if you really think about it, the discussions on this post about finding a wife abroad should be extremely insulting to all of those women of different ethnicities who have immigrated to this country recently.  Racist is actually the better term.  You are objectifying the foreign “other” and seeking to obtain her to satisfy your own desires.  In historical and literary scholarship, we call that colonialism. ”

Actually, they’re saying that many women in foreign countries are far more amicable and appreciative of people who do hard work than are women in this country. It’s a compliment.

You’ve been spending far too much time reading “literature” and not enough traveling.

Liberal arts is for phonies. If you’d want to be useful, you’d teach english as a foreign language, or restrict your University activies to teaching expository writing. All thanks to the allmighty liberal tax dollar, you’re still here to make the world worse. Thanks, for that.

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08-31-2006 01:58 PM

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ftesyektsi
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Cassius wrote:
EnglishProf if women are so enthralled with soulmates and spirituality how come they can not settle with less money and more spirituality ??

Which “they” are you talking about?  Your question assumes all women want the same things, and that women – as a whole – can not settle with less money and more spirituality.

When will you get it through your head that not all women are the same?  You’re very blatantly stereotyping an entire gender, and it’s nothing less than foolish.  Rather than spit out some hasty retort, why not consider what EnglishProf is actually saying and try to approach it in a thoughtful way?

08-31-2006 02:00 PM

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ftesyektsi
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Antiriad wrote:

EnglishProf wrote:
“But you still have a limit of materiality a guy has to provide do you ? can you go as low as 20k per year?”

I’m doing it right now, as my husband is in school full-time.  Once he is finished, I  will cut down my working hours and we’ll think about kids.  It is all a partnership–a give and take on both sides.

99% of all women don’t think like this

Says who?

Anyone can throw out exaggerated percentages – you’re hyperbolizing in a way that merely emphasizes your general distrust of – and distaste for – women.

08-31-2006 02:02 PM

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“You’ve been spending far too much time reading “literature” and not enough traveling.

Liberal arts is for phonies. If you’d want to be useful, you’d teach english as a foreign language, or restrict your University activies to teaching expository writing. All thanks to the allmighty liberal tax dollar, you’re still here to make the world worse. Thanks, for that.”

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Been there, done all that.  Have lived abroad extensively (not just as student but “on the economy” as a consultant).  Have also taught English abroad.  Have taught expository writing.  Have worked in corporate America.  Most of my work has been at private instutions–funded by student tuition rather than tax dollars.

Have you actually lived abroad for a significant amount of time and been in a serious relationship with a non-American woman?

08-31-2006 03:03 PM

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EnglishProf
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“Try to avoid the secular atheist self centered career woman, the divorce rate is 80%. A cold woman with an emotional complex, is hardly stable marriage material. A man has to marry a woman that wants to be there ‘by choice.’ A woman that is willing to revolve around the marriage, not the marriage revolve around her.”

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Not all academics are “secular atheist self-centered career women.”  I happen to be a religious person and would put my self in the “Orthodox” category.

08-31-2006 03:05 PM

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EnglishProf
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“EnglishProf, do you think we’re impressed by the fact that you’re married to a student who temporarily  has a low salary?  The only reason you’re keeping him around is that he’ll be filthy rich once he graduates.”

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And what do you know of my situation?  As a professor in a liberal arts subject and with student loans, no, I’m not looking forward to him being “filthy rich.”

My God, you guys are jaded.

08-31-2006 03:07 PM

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Antiriad
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ftesyektsi wrote:

Antiriad wrote:

EnglishProf wrote:

“But you still have a limit of materiality a guy has to provide do you ? can you go as low as 20k per year?”

I’m doing it right now, as my husband is in school full-time.  Once he is finished, I  will cut down my working hours and we’ll think about kids.  It is all a partnership–a give and take on both sides.

99% of all women don’t think like this

Says who?

Anyone can throw out exaggerated percentages – you’re hyperbolizing in a way that merely emphasizes your general distrust of – and distaste for – women.

Mine – and that of hundreds of thousands of other western men (many of whom are successful and are disinterested in being cheated out of the fruits of their hard labor).

Our numbers are swelling. Deal with it.

Message Edited by Antiriad on 08-31-2006 03:16 PM

08-31-2006 03:15 PM

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“Have you actually lived abroad for a significant amount of time and been in a serious relationship with a non-American woman?”

Though my opinions are going to be someone skewed since I have never married one of these women, yes, I can attest to what has been said of foreign women.  I do think, however, that a better argument would be for men to marry foreign-born women.  Many immigrants who grew up in foreign countries under the local cultural norms find it hard to discard those beliefs and values.

As for foreign women, yes, the are more amicable.  I lived for two years in Naples and am going Germany for two years in 2007.  I also have family living in Asuncion that I visit every year.  It is true that women in many countries are working and that the roles are changing.  HOWEVER, the women still respect men and are willing to cater to their needs in the “partnership” that is marriage.  The sense of family in places like Italy and Paraguay is stronger than we Americans can ever hope to achieve again.  My personal preference is Latin women.  Latin women, in my personal experience, want to be close to their family and friends.  I found it to be common for friends in Paraguay to see or talk to eachother every day.  They would actually worry if they didn’t hear from someone for a day or two.  My uncle never had to cook, but he did have to take care of the maintenance of the house and car.  Just because the work roles changed did not mean that the domestic roles had to change.  That, I think, is something that is lost on women here in the states.

08-31-2006 04:39 PM

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Mamonaku
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“Even in traditionally conservative societies, women and couples are navigating new issues having to do with career, parenting, etc.”

“No wonder feminism blossomed in the 60s, as women had had enough of the unabashed male ego and inflexibility exhibited in many of these posts.

So, go ahead, find yourself a “male centered” society and look for a wife there. But you will still not be happy because the root of the problem has not changed–you have not solved your own emotional and spiritual issues. You will continue to see life in terms of supply/demand, asset/liability. Along the way, you may find that those “submissive” “foreign” women are much more like American women than you thought.

Actually, if you really think about it, the discussions on this post about finding a wife abroad should be extremely insulting to all of those women of different ethnicities who have immigrated to this country recently. Racist is actually the better term. You are objectifying the foreign “other” and seeking to obtain her to satisfy your own desires. In historical and literary scholarship, we call that colonialism.”

Professor, pleased to talk with you.

I would like you to know upfront that I am not critizing you, but I am critizing your ideas, which are fair game.

Before I get started, I would like to repost my statement that I made to the thread “testimony”

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Good day to all.

I read the original article as written by Mr. Noer before it was taken down. I would slightly modify Mr. Noer’s premise: Don’t marry Feminist Career Women.

Before I go into why I take this position, some quick background.

I’m a black male, late twenties. I work full time for a government agency in my city, and I am also a Senior in College. I speak Japanese, and have travelled to Asia many times, specifically South Korea and Japan.

Enough with the small talk.

I am currently married to a Japanese woman, who recently graduated from college and currently works about 45 hours a week.

Maybe at this stage you are asking why didn’t I just marry a local American girl? And gasp! She has a job!

I’m glad you asked that question! Let me explain further.

There are three very important reasons why I married this girl.

a) She is kind.

b) She respects me as a man.

c) She is willing to work part time, or quit working all together to manage our house and take care of our children, as circumstances dictate.

The American (and British) women I dated were none of these things.

They were difficult, disrespectful, and violent.

Being with this amazing Asian woman compared with the Western women I have known is like Night and Day. There truly is no comparison.

Men, you really owe it to yourselves to take heed to Mr. Noer’s sage advice.

Don’t settle. Be more discriminating. Get out there and see what the world has to offer. Americans only make up .05% or so of the world’s population; there is no need to lock yourself in.

In this legal climate we are in, marrying incorrectly can cost you your health, your wealth, your children, and maybe your liberty. Marrying a woman that has not been poisoned by Feminism can hedge that risk.

Good luck.
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Now with that being said, I would call your statement arrogant at best, and racist and propagandist at worst. As if you have the right to dictate to Adults who they can and cannot marry. And as if foreign women are dumb cows because they do not embrace the Satanic corruption of Feminism as you do?

Do these women also have the right to choose in your eyes?

During the entire time I’ve been posting here, I have done my best to avoid making statements that were generalizing and demeaning.

You madam, have done both.

While not every foreign woman is made of solid gold, there is a discernable difference between your typical western woman and your average (in my case Asian) woman.

Agreed, Feminism is beginning to pollute these societies… but I am pleased to report that Asian men are resisting these foreign influences.

Understand my dear lady, that over the centuries, Asian men have come to understand the importance of families, that children need both parents, and that some women and men would exploit the desires of other people for political gain, which is what Feminism does best. The only spiritual issues that need to be solved are the empty and meaningless promises of Feminism.

Luke 9:25
What good is it for a (wo)man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?

In summary,

I would be hesitant to make such bold statements if I were you Professor.

Good day.

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08-31-2006 05:11 PM

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Find Nice Wife Abroad? You Bet.

Who cares what people think?  If you like foreign women, then head overseas and date.  It’s no ones business but your own.

Most men already know marriage is a BAD, BAD deal for men – especially in North America.  The odds are stacked against them with a 56% divorce rate, of which 70% are initiated by women (and those ever changing feeeelings).  You best bet in North America is to either sport f*ck and let your “bad boy” loose (after taking the necessary precautions) or simply opting out of the marriage-slavery system altogether.

But should you be one of the dwindling number of men who actually want to date (or even marry) then why not head out to other countries?  Many beautiful, family orientated women to be found in many nations.  Allot of nations have family and FATHER friendly laws…not the anti-male attitudes and laws such as found in North America.

If any women here shouldn’t like that, well, really none of thier d*m business anyways.  It’s YOUR life, you call the shots what happens in it and they have no say in it at all.

MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) … it’s about time.

08-31-2006 07:36 PM

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Pete
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EnglishProf wrote:

Take a look at this article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14535863/site/newsweek/

So, go ahead, find yourself a “male centered” society and look for a wife there. But you will still not be happy because the root of the problem has not changed–you have not solved your own emotional and spiritual issues. You will continue to see life in terms of supply/demand, asset/liability. Along the way, you may find that those “submissive” “foreign” women are much more like American women than you thought.

IOW, you’re trying to sell us on American women – by saying that foreign women are just as bad as you. LOL

Not that foreign women are angels, of course – they are not. And they can be as bad as you American women.

Which still leaves you modern American women today as poor marriage prospects for men, regardless.

That’s why it’s in men’s best interest to explore all options available for different types of female companionship. Such as leaving you American women by the wayside while he looks overseas for foreign, non-westernized, non-career women. Or just using American women as f*ck toys for his sideshow amusement. These are just some of the options available to him.

Actually, if you really think about it, the discussions on this post about finding a wife abroad should be extremely insulting to all of those women of different ethnicities who have immigrated to this country recently. Racist is actually the better term. You are objectifying the foreign “other” and seeking to obtain her to satisfy your own desires. In historical and literary scholarship, we call that colonialism.

Gee, how moving. Your pious concern for those “poor women of different ethnicities” just moves me to tears. {sob}

While it’s possible there may be some men who bother wondering whether they are “objectifying the foreign ‘other’,” it’s more likely, they’re just thinking about having a good time with a sweet, feminine woman (for once), and trying to forget the unpleasant experience of being married to an American woman.

08-31-2006 07:59 PM

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MartianBachelor
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Welcome aboard ericw. Good post.

Not that I think anything much is sinking in.
Most of the women here are rather dense.

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08-31-2006 08:14 PM

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ericw
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Thanks MartianBachelor.

Incidently, very much enjoying your posts and that of the other men here.  I have never seen so many women get thier collective as**s whooped as I have in this place.  If this were a S/M get-together, the women would be “M”‘s here!

One correction.  You wrote, “Not that I think anything much is sinking in.  Most of the women here are rather dense.”

Who cares what the women think or want (especially when it comes to men’s dating lives)?  It’s the men who are wising up reading the comments and that is all that matters.

Perhaps links to men’s resource sites should be posted so men visiting this site for the first time know where to get more information.

08-31-2006 08:37 PM

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Re: Find Nice Wife Abroad? Think Again, Guys
EnglishProf
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EnglishProf

“You’ve been spending far too much time reading “literature” and not enough traveling.

Liberal arts is for phonies. If you’d want to be useful, you’d teach english as a foreign language, or restrict your University activies to teaching expository writing. All thanks to the allmighty liberal tax dollar, you’re still here to make the world worse. Thanks, for that.”

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Been there, done all that.  Have lived abroad extensively (not just as student but “on the economy” as a consultant).  Have also taught English abroad.  Have taught expository writing.  Have worked in corporate America.  Most of my work has been at private instutions–funded by student tuition rather than tax dollars.

Have you actually lived abroad for a significant amount of time and been in a serious relationship with a non-American woman?

08-31-2006 03:03 PM

Re: Find Nice Wife Abroad? Think Again, Guys
EnglishProf
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EnglishProf

“Try to avoid the secular atheist self centered career woman, the divorce rate is 80%. A cold woman with an emotional complex, is hardly stable marriage material. A man has to marry a woman that wants to be there ‘by choice.’ A woman that is willing to revolve around the marriage, not the marriage revolve around her.”

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Not all academics are “secular atheist self-centered career women.”  I happen to be a religious person and would put my self in the “Orthodox” category.

08-31-2006 03:05 PM

Re: Find Nice Wife Abroad? Think Again, Guys
EnglishProf
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EnglishProf

“EnglishProf, do you think we’re impressed by the fact that you’re married to a student who temporarily  has a low salary?  The only reason you’re keeping him around is that he’ll be filthy rich once he graduates.”

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And what do you know of my situation?  As a professor in a liberal arts subject and with student loans, no, I’m not looking forward to him being “filthy rich.”

My God, you guys are jaded.

08-31-2006 03:07 PM

Re: Find Nice Wife Abroad? Think Again, Guys
Antiriad
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Antiriad

ftesyektsi wrote:

Antiriad wrote:

EnglishProf wrote:

“But you still have a limit of materiality a guy has to provide do you ? can you go as low as 20k per year?”

I’m doing it right now, as my husband is in school full-time.  Once he is finished, I  will cut down my working hours and we’ll think about kids.  It is all a partnership–a give and take on both sides.

99% of all women don’t think like this

Says who?

Anyone can throw out exaggerated percentages – you’re hyperbolizing in a way that merely emphasizes your general distrust of – and distaste for – women.

Mine – and that of hundreds of thousands of other western men (many of whom are successful and are disinterested in being cheated out of the fruits of their hard labor).

Our numbers are swelling. Deal with it.

Message Edited by Antiriad on 08-31-2006 03:16 PM

08-31-2006 03:15 PM

Re: Find Nice Wife Abroad? Think Again, Guys
bowenj10
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bowenj10

“Have you actually lived abroad for a significant amount of time and been in a serious relationship with a non-American woman?”

Though my opinions are going to be someone skewed since I have never married one of these women, yes, I can attest to what has been said of foreign women.  I do think, however, that a better argument would be for men to marry foreign-born women.  Many immigrants who grew up in foreign countries under the local cultural norms find it hard to discard those beliefs and values.

As for foreign women, yes, the are more amicable.  I lived for two years in Naples and am going Germany for two years in 2007.  I also have family living in Asuncion that I visit every year.  It is true that women in many countries are working and that the roles are changing.  HOWEVER, the women still respect men and are willing to cater to their needs in the “partnership” that is marriage.  The sense of family in places like Italy and Paraguay is stronger than we Americans can ever hope to achieve again.  My personal preference is Latin women.  Latin women, in my personal experience, want to be close to their family and friends.  I found it to be common for friends in Paraguay to see or talk to eachother every day.  They would actually worry if they didn’t hear from someone for a day or two.  My uncle never had to cook, but he did have to take care of the maintenance of the house and car.  Just because the work roles changed did not mean that the domestic roles had to change.  That, I think, is something that is lost on women here in the states.

08-31-2006 04:39 PM

Re: Find Nice Wife Abroad? Think Again, Guys
Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
“Even in traditionally conservative societies, women and couples are navigating new issues having to do with career, parenting, etc.”

“No wonder feminism blossomed in the 60s, as women had had enough of the unabashed male ego and inflexibility exhibited in many of these posts.

So, go ahead, find yourself a “male centered” society and look for a wife there. But you will still not be happy because the root of the problem has not changed–you have not solved your own emotional and spiritual issues. You will continue to see life in terms of supply/demand, asset/liability. Along the way, you may find that those “submissive” “foreign” women are much more like American women than you thought.

Actually, if you really think about it, the discussions on this post about finding a wife abroad should be extremely insulting to all of those women of different ethnicities who have immigrated to this country recently. Racist is actually the better term. You are objectifying the foreign “other” and seeking to obtain her to satisfy your own desires. In historical and literary scholarship, we call that colonialism.”

Professor, pleased to talk with you.

I would like you to know upfront that I am not critizing you, but I am critizing your ideas, which are fair game.

Before I get started, I would like to repost my statement that I made to the thread “testimony”

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Good day to all.

I read the original article as written by Mr. Noer before it was taken down. I would slightly modify Mr. Noer’s premise: Don’t marry Feminist Career Women.

Before I go into why I take this position, some quick background.

I’m a black male, late twenties. I work full time for a government agency in my city, and I am also a Senior in College. I speak Japanese, and have travelled to Asia many times, specifically South Korea and Japan.

Enough with the small talk.

I am currently married to a Japanese woman, who recently graduated from college and currently works about 45 hours a week.

Maybe at this stage you are asking why didn’t I just marry a local American girl? And gasp! She has a job!

I’m glad you asked that question! Let me explain further.

There are three very important reasons why I married this girl.

a) She is kind.

b) She respects me as a man.

c) She is willing to work part time, or quit working all together to manage our house and take care of our children, as circumstances dictate.

The American (and British) women I dated were none of these things.

They were difficult, disrespectful, and violent.

Being with this amazing Asian woman compared with the Western women I have known is like Night and Day. There truly is no comparison.

Men, you really owe it to yourselves to take heed to Mr. Noer’s sage advice.

Don’t settle. Be more discriminating. Get out there and see what the world has to offer. Americans only make up .05% or so of the world’s population; there is no need to lock yourself in.

In this legal climate we are in, marrying incorrectly can cost you your health, your wealth, your children, and maybe your liberty. Marrying a woman that has not been poisoned by Feminism can hedge that risk.

Good luck.
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Now with that being said, I would call your statement arrogant at best, and racist and propagandist at worst. As if you have the right to dictate to Adults who they can and cannot marry. And as if foreign women are dumb cows because they do not embrace the Satanic corruption of Feminism as you do?

Do these women also have the right to choose in your eyes?

During the entire time I’ve been posting here, I have done my best to avoid making statements that were generalizing and demeaning.

You madam, have done both.

While not every foreign woman is made of solid gold, there is a discernable difference between your typical western woman and your average (in my case Asian) woman.

Agreed, Feminism is beginning to pollute these societies… but I am pleased to report that Asian men are resisting these foreign influences.

Understand my dear lady, that over the centuries, Asian men have come to understand the importance of families, that children need both parents, and that some women and men would exploit the desires of other people for political gain, which is what Feminism does best. The only spiritual issues that need to be solved are the empty and meaningless promises of Feminism.

Luke 9:25
What good is it for a (wo)man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?

In summary,

I would be hesitant to make such bold statements if I were you Professor.

Good day.

Message Edited by Mamonaku on 08-31-2006 05:14 PM

Message Edited by Mamonaku on 08-31-2006 05:16 PM

08-31-2006 05:11 PM

Re: Find Nice Wife Abroad? Think Again, Guys
ericw
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ericw

Find Nice Wife Abroad? You Bet.

Who cares what people think?  If you like foreign women, then head overseas and date.  It’s no ones business but your own.

Most men already know marriage is a BAD, BAD deal for men – especially in North America.  The odds are stacked against them with a 56% divorce rate, of which 70% are initiated by women (and those ever changing feeeelings).  You best bet in North America is to either sport f*ck and let your “bad boy” loose (after taking the necessary precautions) or simply opting out of the marriage-slavery system altogether.

But should you be one of the dwindling number of men who actually want to date (or even marry) then why not head out to other countries?  Many beautiful, family orientated women to be found in many nations.  Allot of nations have family and FATHER friendly laws…not the anti-male attitudes and laws such as found in North America.

If any women here shouldn’t like that, well, really none of thier d*m business anyways.  It’s YOUR life, you call the shots what happens in it and they have no say in it at all.

MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) … it’s about time.

08-31-2006 07:36 PM

Re: Find Nice Wife Abroad? Think Again, Guys
Pete
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Pete

EnglishProf wrote:

Take a look at this article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14535863/site/newsweek/

So, go ahead, find yourself a “male centered” society and look for a wife there. But you will still not be happy because the root of the problem has not changed–you have not solved your own emotional and spiritual issues. You will continue to see life in terms of supply/demand, asset/liability. Along the way, you may find that those “submissive” “foreign” women are much more like American women than you thought.

IOW, you’re trying to sell us on American women – by saying that foreign women are just as bad as you. LOL

Not that foreign women are angels, of course – they are not. And they can be as bad as you American women.

Which still leaves you modern American women today as poor marriage prospects for men, regardless.

That’s why it’s in men’s best interest to explore all options available for different types of female companionship. Such as leaving you American women by the wayside while he looks overseas for foreign, non-westernized, non-career women. Or just using American women as f*ck toys for his sideshow amusement. These are just some of the options available to him.

Actually, if you really think about it, the discussions on this post about finding a wife abroad should be extremely insulting to all of those women of different ethnicities who have immigrated to this country recently. Racist is actually the better term. You are objectifying the foreign “other” and seeking to obtain her to satisfy your own desires. In historical and literary scholarship, we call that colonialism.

Gee, how moving. Your pious concern for those “poor women of different ethnicities” just moves me to tears. {sob}

While it’s possible there may be some men who bother wondering whether they are “objectifying the foreign ‘other’,” it’s more likely, they’re just thinking about having a good time with a sweet, feminine woman (for once), and trying to forget the unpleasant experience of being married to an American woman.

08-31-2006 07:59 PM

Re: Find Nice Wife Abroad? Think Again, Guys
MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
Welcome aboard ericw. Good post.

Not that I think anything much is sinking in.
Most of the women here are rather dense.

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“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

08-31-2006 08:14 PM

Re: Find Nice Wife Abroad? Think Again, Guys
ericw
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ericw

Thanks MartianBachelor.

Incidently, very much enjoying your posts and that of the other men here.  I have never seen so many women get thier collective as**s whooped as I have in this place.  If this were a S/M get-together, the women would be “M”‘s here!

One correction.  You wrote, “Not that I think anything much is sinking in.  Most of the women here are rather dense.”

Who cares what the women think or want (especially when it comes to men’s dating lives)?  It’s the men who are wising up reading the comments and that is all that matters.

Perhaps links to men’s resource sites should be posted so men visiting this site for the first time know where to get more information.

08-31-2006 08:37 PM

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