If Not Marriage Rights, Then Reproductive Rights…


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If Not Marriage Rights, Then Reproductive Rights…
miscwit
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miscwit

The ultimate leverage that women have in American society is the control of reproductive rights. Keeping the abortion issue to one side, women are mostly responsible for birth control and the results of not using birth control. True, there are men with vasectomies (bank and snip is the best possible alternative for men) but in the heat of the moment, a woman must be responsible if she doesn’t want to get pregnant. Oh yes, it’s unfair. Biology is not necessarily fair.

However, what if a man could safely, easily, discreetly, and conveniently prevent pregnancy? That would certainly balance the issue of reproductive responsibility.

Yet here is the problem. Women might happily yield the responsibility for birth control. But would they yield the power of pregnancy over a man? Would they yield that control?

Which leads to an interesting question: Where is the male birth control pill?

08-30-2006 03:19 PM

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juliandroms
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juliandroms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_oral_contraceptive#Pharmaceutical_companies_are_seeking_male_pill_drugs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISUG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vas-occlusive_contraception

This one looks particularly promising:

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4237
http://goliath.ecnext.com/comsite5/bin/pdinventory.pl?pdlanding=1&referid=2750&item_id=0199-3999329

Message Edited by juliandroms on 08-30-2006 03:31 PM

08-30-2006 03:22 PM

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miscwit
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miscwit

Good links, thank you.

An interesting analysis would be to predict the social and cultural impact if men had control of their reproductive options if a widely available oral contraceptive were available.

I know this is off topic, but it certainly has an impact on how men and women relate to each other.

08-30-2006 03:31 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

There is a simple solution to this:  Always assume a woman is lying about birth control and wear a condom to insure you are protected from STD’s and unwanted pregnancy.  After I turned 35 I took it one step further and got my vasectomy as I am quite serious about not having children or marrying.  Thus, you always control your own reproductive rights if you ALWAYS wear a condom.

08-30-2006 03:48 PM

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toadman
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toadman

Yep, the Male Pill is on its way but “stalled” in FDA approval. Gee, no surprise there. It puts the onus on men to be more responsible right?

Message Edited by toadman on 08-30-2006 04:17 PM

08-30-2006 04:15 PM

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juliandroms
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juliandroms
I’ve had many condoms rip in the past.

Also, it becomes hard after several years of being married, telling your wife that you’re yet uninterested in screwing her without a condom.

Trust me, I know from experience.

> Always assume a woman is lying about birth control
> and wear a condom to insure you are protected from
> STD’s and unwanted pregnancy.

Why I never had sex with my wife without a condom.

Message Edited by juliandroms on 08-30-2006 04:20 PM

08-30-2006 04:17 PM

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zacharias
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zacharias
“Also, it becomes hard after several years of being married, telling your wife that you’re yet uninterested in screwing her without a condom.”

On the other hand, telling a girlfriend who has herpes that you won’t have sex with her without a condom comes fairly easy.

08-30-2006 04:23 PM

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DontMarryNoer
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DontMarryNoer

How about instead of “assuming she is lying”, take some responsibility in the first place instead of taking a free-ride and then crying entrapment. Don’t put the burden completely on one person ever. Biology doesn’t care about trust.

08-30-2006 04:39 PM

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juliandroms
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juliandroms

DontMarryNoer wrote:
How about instead of “assuming she is lying”, take some responsibility in the first place instead of taking a free-ride and then crying entrapment. Don’t put the burden completely on one person ever. Biology doesn’t care about trust.

Obviously, if you assume she’s lying, you’re always using a condom with no exceptions.

The reason to advise your fellow man to always “assume the woman is lying,” is because if you don’t tell a guy to assume his girlfriend is lying, that leaves the guy with no advice about what to do when his girlfriend (most often without his asking) goes on the pill anyhow, and asks him to go without the rubber.

What’s wrong with guys assuming women are lying? Does that offend you? It shouldn’t.

Message Edited by juliandroms on 08-30-2006 06:24 PM

08-30-2006 06:22 PM

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DontMarryNoer
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DontMarryNoer

Obviously, if you assume she’s lying, you’re always using a condom with no exceptions.

One should do that anyway and lose the “the burden is sompletely on the woman and I can have all the fun, no fuss no muss” mentality. Even though biologically the men provide the seed and it would make sense for them to take the majority of responsibility, it goes for women too. ALWAYS cover up. Make no mistake. Use the condom no matter what if you don’t want a kid. BC pills don’t always work and for that matter neither do condoms. But always take responsibility. It comes out of you afterall.

What’s wrong with guys assuming women are lying? Does that offend you? It shouldn’t.

I don’t really know what you mean. They are discounting their own biology and making it only about what the woman can do. Wrap it up, take some responsibility.

08-30-2006 06:52 PM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4237

Did anyone else notice that none of the research mentioned is being done in the US?

I was surprised someone didn’t point to Do Women Really Want a Male Birth Control Pill?
NB: “Power is the reward which comes with responsibility.”

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“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

08-30-2006 08:36 PM

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toadman
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toadman

Excellent article, MB!

Message Edited by toadman on 08-30-2006 09:48 PM

08-30-2006 09:47 PM

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bowenj10
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bowenj10

Even though this may not belong on this forum, it certainly belongs on this website.  Male birth control is going to be HUGE.  Get ready to invest as soon as you find out which companies are offering.

08-30-2006 10:12 PM

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fishnamedjames
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fishnamedjames
Male birth control would rock. I can’t take the pill for health reasons, so it would be great if my guy could. The more options the better.

Peeps should still use condoms more often though! Disease, disease, disease!

08-30-2006 10:58 PM

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bowenj10
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bowenj10

What about an IUD, cervical cap, diaphragms, the shot, the patch, the ring, Norplant, female condoms, sponges, and tubal sterilizations?

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-control-pregnancy/birth-control.htm

Message Edited by bowenj10 on 08-30-2006 11:20 PM

08-30-2006 11:19 PM

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Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet

uh.. you HAVE marriage rights. If a guy comes up to you and asks you to marry him and you say “no thanks”, you have just exercised your “marriage rights”.

The ability to say to a guy “hi I’m a career girl marry me” and for him to HAVE TO SAY YES, is NOT YOUR RIGHT MMKAY?

That is an ENTITLEMENT, a PRIVILEGE. Something that VIOLATES THE RIGHTS of men.

This is so typical of the logic used to pass feminist legislation….

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

08-30-2006 11:50 PM

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fishnamedjames
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fishnamedjames
It’s not that I don’t appreciate those, but more stuff for the guys would be good too.

The shot and the patch are the same deal as the pill. You shouldn’t take them if you have blood clotting problems. I also happen to be allergic to spermacide, which makes some of the other methods not as good.

I’d love to get a IUD again, but it made already bad lady issues even worse by several orders of magnitude. I’ll spare the rest of the details.

I’d think I was an anomaly, but talking to people has made me realize that there are more people like me than you’d think. I want to have children someday so I don’t want to get my tubes tied. Even if I did, insurance usually won’t cover those operations in young women.

I’m not saying it’s hopeless, obviously, I’m just saying new stuff would be welcome. If he wanted to try doing some of the birth control stuff, which he might if it was available, that would be pretty cool.

08-30-2006 11:53 PM

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bowenj10
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bowenj10

I appreciate the fact that you are aware of the other forms of birth control.

“I’m not saying it’s hopeless, obviously, I’m just saying new stuff would be welcome. If he wanted to try doing some of the birth control stuff, which he might if it was available, that would be pretty cool.”

One way to push the whole male birth-control issue along is to write your senator/representatives and try to get them involved.  True, you are going to get some canned responses (i.e. “Thanks for your concern.  We’ll certainly look into it.”), but you might just be that one person who makes them take notice.  You can go to the House’s website (www.house.gov) or the Senate’s website (www.senate.gov) and find your state’s reps and Senators.  You can also find the subcommittee that deals with BC issues.  It does help to be active in politics, whether it’s directly by working for the politicians, or indirectly by voicing your opinion.  I think I’m going to write a standard letter that people can use to contact their respective politicians.

08-31-2006 12:17 AM

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fishnamedjames
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fishnamedjames
Good thinking. Thanks.

08-31-2006 12:43 AM

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Kristilyn3
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Kristilyn3

Always assume a woman is lying about birth control???
If you are that paranoid and/or think you are THAT sought after perhaps you should seek professional help… hahahaha

Better yet – abstain from messing with us women kind – stay home – you have your parania to keep you company!!!

08-31-2006 02:58 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

No, I just prefer not be with with women who are overweight and unattractive such as you.

08-31-2006 03:42 PM

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toadman
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toadman

It’s not that we don’t trust you, Kristilyn.
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It’s that we don’t trust you.

08-31-2006 04:32 PM

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