Jessica Lynch Rape?


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Jessica Lynch Rape?
jewels
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jewels

PatriarchVerlch wrote:

Jessica Lynch was raped so many times, her spine is permanently out of wack. She never fired a round, and all the men around her died in the ambush. Did you know she was driving the truck that took the wrong turn into the ambush?

Jessica Lynch wasn’t driving the Humvee that was attacked. Her truck was broken down and being towed long before the attack occurred in Nasiriyah. Given a ride by a Humvee, Jessica was riding in the the rear compartment, wedged between the bodies of two soldiers and surrounded by duffel bags of [clothing] and equipment. The supply convoy (not combat soldiers) was given the wrong turn signal by a roadside MP traffic stop who directed them onto the wrong road. The question is, how did the Humvee impact shatter bones on both sides of her body when pictures of the Humvee didn’t look badly damaged? Splintered bone injuries were consistent with a gun butt beating, maybe gun barrel rape caused bowel/back injuries. Would you verify this version of the story please with my buddies Donnie, Condi, and **bleep**, because I didn’t see your version anywhere.

You ignore the fact that rape and torture happens to both male and female in war as well as peace. Men rape men. Men rape women. I wouldn’t feel any “better” if my sons got tortured and raped than if my daughter got tortured and raped. Plenty of guys in the military have their own horror of getting bf*, while the military doesn’t seem to be doing much about it. Should they be eunechs, or be punished when they bf* the guy in the next bunk? Taking female soldiers out of the military will not end military rapists. Punish the perp (the rapist), not the vic.

09-02-2006 12:43 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

She wasn’t raped, rather she was saved by Iraqi medical personnel.  The current administration merely wanted to find a “hero” spun propaganda about events that didn’t occur.

09-02-2006 01:16 PM

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tomshh
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tomshh

From what I could gather on information, I thought her vehicle took a wrong turn, and wrecked in a creek bed.

If this was her fault or not, I do not know.

Then in the fire fight, she was the only one to live (I am guessing because Muslim men know women are inferior, and not only laugh at the USA for putting them in their military, but feel sorry for these women).

So they took her to some doctors, and she was saved by the enemy, while her fellow soldiers were slaughtered.

Then SHE was claimed a “hero”.

09-02-2006 01:28 PM

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PatriarchVerlch
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PatriarchVerlch

Men don’t get raped in war. They get shot at and captured.

There have been plenty of female POW’s sexually assaulted. Nearly all of them. A high percentage of them lie about being raped so as to not deter women from the military, or appear weak.

If only the truth was known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_combat

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,956255,00.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lynch

I believe the only reason she was kept alive was because she was pretty. Clearly war is not a place for a lady. To think that captured women soldiers would not be raped is beyond absurd. They are the enemy, women are in prison, they will get raped if captured.

Think back about all the stories throughout history. You think if the Chinese invaded America, they wouldn’t rob, rape, and pillage? Do you think the Germans didn’t rape the Polish women when they invaded? You women need your heads checked on this I’m Super Gender issues.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35463

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/6085435/the_forgotten_soldier/

The link below talks about all kinds of cons about women serving alongside men in the military.

http://www.bible-researcher.com/women/women-in-combat.html

In conclusion, it is my conviction that if women are to train as combatants that they need to learn how to fight as a last defense if men are immobilized. Just how Israel does it. Teaches women to fight, but only as a last resort.

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

09-02-2006 04:40 PM

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ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

moneyneversleep wrote:
She wasn’t raped, rather she was saved by Iraqi medical personnel.  The current administration merely wanted to find a “hero” spun propaganda about events that didn’t occur.

Someone who speaks about this with such authority must have been there.

Right?

09-02-2006 05:31 PM

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IshWishDish
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IshWishDish

Think back about all the stories throughout history. You think if the Chinese invaded America, they wouldn’t rob, rape, and pillage? Do you think the Germans didn’t rape the Polish women when they invaded? You women need your heads checked on this

Um, we know. I’m kind of amazed you’re acknowledging it; I was starting to think some of you guys didn’t believe real rape ever happened. The terrorism-based sexual assault of civilian women during war-time is an issue very much in the center of the spotlight of feminism, especially during a time like this. Wacky a notion as this may be, it doesn’t scare me away from the idea of women as combatants any more than the idea of getting shot or blown up. At least as a soldier, I’d have a gun and the Geneva Convention.

And what did or didn’t happen to Jessica Lynch doesn’t change whether or not men and women are equally capable of serving.  There have been male deserters, males who have caused avoidable fatalities to their own side through incompetence, male POWs who have experienced unimaginable treatment, male perpetrators and male victims of every kind of atrocity, and male traitors. Does that mean men shouldn’t be allowed in combat?

09-02-2006 06:37 PM

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Argyle

I’m going to really have to agree with Fteys. (or whatever she’s called)… have any of you been there? Anyone ACTUALLY served in the US Army along side of women? I have.

Female soldiers are just like any other soldier… you have some studs, some dirt bags, and the majority are just average troops. I’ve been a company commander and have served in Afghanistan and Iraq. I have had female troops in my command. In every respect, they have performed no differently than the male soldiers.

And as for Jessica Lynch… she was a PRIVATE, people!! She had NO responsibility for what happened to that convoy. She was a driver, plain and simple. Her MALE company commander was solely responsible for getting them lost and ambushed… a fact even he owns up to.

Her unit, comprised of both men and women, were a combat support unit. They were, as a collective unit, poorly trained for direct combat action. As a result of their incident, the Army has vastly revamped their training of ALL units to include Infantry-based tasks, called Warrior Tasks, which more closely parallels how the Marines train. Everyone is an Infantryman first. Even the women.

I would really suggest for those of you who want to wax philosophical about who should be fighting the wars around here to get off their butts, go see a recruiter, and sign on the dotted line. Hell, women do it…

Message Edited by Argyle on 09-02-2006 06:43 PM

09-02-2006 06:42 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

Sh*t for brains, I have flown in combat in 2 theatres, most recently in the 1st Gulf War.  Shut it when you have no clue what you are talking about.

09-02-2006 06:53 PM

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Argyle
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Argyle

moneyneversleep wrote:
Sh*t for brains, I have flown in combat in 2 theatres, most recently in the 1st Gulf War.  Shut it when you have no clue what you are talking about.

Um… didn’t the qualifications I listed qualify me as knowing “what I’m talking about?”

And… times have changed since the early 90s.

And… if “flown” you mean in the Airforce, what qualifies you to talk ground combat? Just wondering.

09-02-2006 06:55 PM

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IshWishDish
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IshWishDish

Great post, Argyle. Thanks for interject some reality here.

09-02-2006 07:02 PM

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moneyneversleep
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Don’t open you piehole unless you have any idea what you talking about, which you don’t.  Lynch was no more than a propaganda puppet.  Part of my tour as an officer, was serving in the pentagon for approx. 9 months as a precursor to further advancement.  It is a very political environment which fosters lies and corruption, by both civilians and career officers who have little experience in actual combat.  It is always amusing when some imbecile such as yourself opens their mouth assuming they have a clue of what really goes on.  Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with now deceased David Hackworth.  Otherwise shut it.

09-02-2006 07:05 PM

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Argyle
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Argyle

moneyneversleep wrote:
Don’t open you piehole unless you have any idea what you talking about, which you don’t.  Lynch was no more than a propaganda puppet.  Part of my tour as an officer, was serving in the pentagon for approx. 9 months as a precursor to further advancement.  It is a very political environment which fosters lies and corruption, by both civilians and career officers who have little experience in actual combat.  It is always amusing when some imbecile such as yourself opens their mouth assuming they have a clue of what really goes on.  Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with now deceased David Hackworth.  Otherwise shut it.

You worked in the Pentagon? Wow. Neat.

My friend, I DO have a clue what goes on. Like I said, I was there, on the ground. I have worked with female soldiers and Officers. This is where I have direct experience.

If the Jessica Lynch thing was really a big Pentagon conspiracy, then I’ll admit that no, I wouldn’t be privey to that information. So just to be clear, you, as a mid-level Airforce Officer (and I’m assuming here, since you won’t really come out with it) were trusted with information proving the Jessica Lynch thing was a scam. If I’m wrong (and I hope I am), please set us all straight.

09-02-2006 07:14 PM

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Argyle wrote:

You worked in the Pentagon? Wow. Neat.

My friend, I DO have a clue what goes on. Like I said, I was there, on the ground. I have worked with female soldiers and Officers. This is where I have direct experience.

If the Jessica Lynch thing was really a big Pentagon conspiracy, then I’ll admit that no, I wouldn’t be privey to that information. So just to be clear, you, as a mid-level Airforce Officer (and I’m assuming here, since you won’t really come out with it) were trusted with information proving the Jessica Lynch thing was a scam. If I’m wrong (and I hope I am), please set us all straight.

Argyle – this is all very interesting.  From the beginning, and then reading over the multiple versions of stories, I always felt there was a big cover up which was then spun for scare tactic propaganda against women in the military.  Jessica is so brain dead she’ll never remember the details thank God.  Propaganda or no – her injuries are completely real.

09-02-2006 07:35 PM

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Argyle
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jewels wrote:

Argyle wrote:

You worked in the Pentagon? Wow. Neat.

My friend, I DO have a clue what goes on. Like I said, I was there, on the ground. I have worked with female soldiers and Officers. This is where I have direct experience.

If the Jessica Lynch thing was really a big Pentagon conspiracy, then I’ll admit that no, I wouldn’t be privey to that information. So just to be clear, you, as a mid-level Airforce Officer (and I’m assuming here, since you won’t really come out with it) were trusted with information proving the Jessica Lynch thing was a scam. If I’m wrong (and I hope I am), please set us all straight.

Argyle – this is all very interesting.  From the beginning, and then reading over the multiple versions of stories, I always felt there was a big cover up which was then spun for scare tactic propaganda against women in the military.  Jessica is so brain dead she’ll never remember the details thank God.  Propaganda or no – her injuries are completely real.

Interesting… sort of an “opposite conspiracy” to what our buddy moneyneversleep thinks.

My opinion on her situation is this: it happened the way the reports said it did. She was a private in a convoy. The convoy commander got lost, turned around in a town, and got ambushed. People died and/or were captured. Jessica was captured, and was protrayed by the media as a hero. She has said herself she was no hero. The Army responded well to her lack of training (and her whole unit’s lack of training) by instituting some long over-due training requirements for non-combat units.

America decided to make her into a hero because they simply aren’t used to women being so much in the forefront of actual combat. America and the media decided how to play her story out, not the Army.

09-02-2006 07:47 PM

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tellafriend
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tellafriend

We already know women are idiots. This forum only proves the point.

So we are we letting these idiot women into the military. Sure if we need more cooks or  more people to operate the vacuum cleaners.  But leave a man’s work to a MAN. Your menopause mustaches just don’t cut it.

09-02-2006 08:17 PM

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ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

tellafriend wrote:
We already know women are idiots. This forum only proves the point.

So we are we letting these idiot women into the military. Sure if we need more cooks or  more people to operate the vacuum cleaners.  But leave a man’s work to a MAN. Your menopause mustaches just don’t cut it.

Are you still talking?

09-02-2006 10:24 PM

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PANDORASBOX123
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PANDORASBOX123

Arg—-Thank you!  Much needed!

09-02-2006 11:25 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

You, also have no clue what you are talking about.  Providing logistical support, as a grunt employee of a company, for ground forces is very different that working with command staff and generals executing policy and strategy/tactics directed by civilian administration.  Unlike you fools I was both an officer in combat and worked in the pentagon.  Contractor employees are not privy to policy or or to tactics/strategy and have no clue of political machinations that occur to advance a specific agenda.  Next time open your mouth about something you know.

09-03-2006 01:04 PM

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tellafriend
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tellafriend

ftesyektsi wrote:

tellafriend wrote:
We already know women are idiots. This forum only proves the point.

So we are we letting these idiot women into the military. Sure if we need more cooks or  more people to operate the vacuum cleaners.  But leave a man’s work to a MAN. Your menopause mustaches just don’t cut it.

Are you still talking?

As long as your idiocy is still on autopilot, I will be here to keep your stupid ass in check

09-03-2006 02:27 PM

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ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

moneyneversleep wrote:
You, also have no clue what you are talking about.  Providing logistical support, as a grunt employee of a company, for ground forces is very different that working with command staff and generals executing policy and strategy/tactics directed by civilian administration.  Unlike you fools I was both an officer in combat and worked in the pentagon.  Contractor employees are not privy to policy or or to tactics/strategy and have no clue of political machinations that occur to advance a specific agenda.  Next time open your mouth about something you know.

Um, what is it with you and hostility?  Are you utterly incapable of having a civil discussion?

09-03-2006 02:57 PM

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tellafriend
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tellafriend

Don’t mind her idiocy. She’s a woman. Is there really any other explanation required?

09-03-2006 03:04 PM

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rjmck
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First of all: Tellafriend, would you please stop interupting? The adults are trying to have a conversation. Shouldn’t you be getting ready to go back to school or something?
Moneyneversleeps… I don’t understand your hostility. It’s really detracting from whatever argument you’re making, which is also not too clear.
As for Jessica Lynch…in Canada we were privy to a BBC documentary which investigated the Jessica Lynch story in some depth. The finding was that Lynch was hurt in the crash, was taken in an unconscioous state by the Iraqui’s to a hospital, where she was well cared for. Several Iraquis tried to let the American military know where she was so they could take care of her (as she was getting all of the medical supplies they had, depriving other Iraquis of help), but the Americans fired on the Iraquis, so they retreated.
Several days later, the Americans got another tip as to where she was, and agreed with  the Iraquis on how to pick her up. Then they got some camera equipment and staged a “rescue” for the folks back home, making it look as if they were somehow under fire, when there was no opposition at all. The American public needed some good news, and she became a “heroine” who was “saved” by the military. The only point I can see here that is germane to this discussion is that it was only because she was female that she was worth “saving” in this way, rather the way the American public was conned into believing that premature babies were being bayonneted by Iraquis during the first gulf war. Women and childred still count as innocent victims who can be exploited by propagandists to get the American public to do anything.

09-03-2006 04:30 PM

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Argyle
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Argyle

moneyneversleep wrote:
You, also have no clue what you are talking about.  Providing logistical support, as a grunt employee of a company, for ground forces is very different that working with command staff and generals executing policy and strategy/tactics directed by civilian administration.  Unlike you fools I was both an officer in combat and worked in the pentagon.  Contractor employees are not privy to policy or or to tactics/strategy and have no clue of political machinations that occur to advance a specific agenda.  Next time open your mouth about something you know.

Tell you what, moneyneversleep, I have been an Army Officer for quite some time and I have never… NEVER heard ANY Officer speak like you do. I am beginning to really doubt your credentials, and would advise any reader to this forum to take what you say very lightly. You really sound like a high school kid… way too argumentative, defensive, and just plain unintelligent. You do not sound like an Officer – you don’t sound like an adult or a gentleman. So if you are not an Officer, please stop pretending you are. It is disrespectful to all those who serve honorably. And if you are an Officer, please, for the sake of all those on this site who would look up to you for your supposed honor and experience, please act appropriately.

09-03-2006 06:35 PM

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IshWishDish
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IshWishDish

Tell you what, moneyneversleep, I have been an Army Officer for quite some time and I have never… NEVER heard ANY Officer speak like you do. I am beginning to really doubt your credentials, and would advise any reader to this forum to take what you say very lightly.

Don’t worry too much, Argyle. I’d bet that the only people who’d buy this guy’s Tom Clancy-like story are those who are already so rabidly devoted to believing the same nonsense he does that they just wouldn’t want to question it. I really can’t imagine anyone sensible enough to even concern yourself with would be actually swayed into a belief based on his claims.

09-03-2006 06:51 PM

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Argyle
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Argyle

IshWishDish wrote:

Don’t worry too much, Argyle. I’d bet that the only people who’d buy this guy’s Tom Clancy-like story are those who are already so rabidly devoted to believing the same nonsense he does that they just wouldn’t want to question it. I really can’t imagine anyone sensible enough to even concern yourself with would be actually swayed into a belief based on his claims.

Very true. Thanks.

09-03-2006 07:15 PM

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crella
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crella
‘As for Jessica Lynch…in Canada we were privy to a BBC documentary which investigated the Jessica Lynch story in some depth. The finding was that Lynch was hurt in the crash, was taken in an unconscioous state by the Iraqui’s to a hospital, where she was well cared for. Several Iraquis tried to let the American military know where she was so they could take care of her (as she was getting all of the medical supplies they had, depriving other Iraquis of help), but the Americans fired on the Iraquis, so they retreated…..(snip)’

What you write there is basically what was in the Time interview with her as well. The Iraqis tried to relay the fact they had her but were fired on. The iraqi medical staff were insulted by the ‘rescue’ and the claims that she was abused in the hospital.

She admitted that she never fired a shot, that she is not a hero. I give her the credit for admitting the PR was all crap. She could have kept her mouth shut and lived off it. She still needs months if not years of rehab, she has to wear diapers, according to Time.She really got messed up. She also debunked all the stories of being abused in the hospital, she said the nurses all took turns caring for her.

It was manufactured ‘good news’, evidently.

09-03-2006 07:45 PM

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tellafriend
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tellafriend

rjmck could you please keep your biitchass quiet. We’re trying to speak in coherent English here and your idiocy is not helping the cause. Pehaps there’s some dishes or laundry your biitchass could attend to?

Now run along, Princess

09-03-2006 07:58 PM

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rjmck
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Let’s take a vote: how many feel tellafriend is older than 14? Mentally, that is. Anyone? Anyone…? I suggest that from now on, no one, male or female, respond to his (her?) remarks.
You’re the one hurting the cause, tellafiend, if only you had the brights to know why.

09-03-2006 09:02 PM

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Argyle
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Argyle

rjmck wrote:
Let’s take a vote: how many feel tellafriend is older than 14? Mentally, that is. Anyone? Anyone…? I suggest that from now on, no one, male or female, respond to his (her?) remarks.
You’re the one hurting the cause, tellafiend, if only you had the brights to know why.

I vote he’s 15. And no, I’ll not respond to that flamebait anymore.

09-03-2006 09:07 PM

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IshWishDish
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IshWishDish

Let’s take a vote: how many feel tellafriend is older than 14?

Ever watch the first Star Trek movie? My theory is he’s a computer program, originally designed to create random taunts for villains in on-line computer games, which encountered and fused with a bot program designed to locate on-line porn sites. Somehow he gained a rudimentary form of sentience, and has escaped the control of his programmers. So I figure he’s about 2, which given the ever increasing accelleration of programming technology makes him about 11 in human years.

Yeah, I should probably go eat something now…

I suggest that from now on, no one, male or female, respond to his (her?) remarks.

Aw, man… fine, you’re right… But I hope you appreciate this, rjmck; you’re apparently one of the few guys on here who will understand why having him around is actually in my side’s best interest.  (and since none of us seem to have our senses of humor on at this point, let me point out that that was a joke. sort of.)

09-03-2006 09:37 PM

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tellafriend
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I love it when stupid biitches try to think out loud

Run along now and bake yourselves some more brain cell pie.

YUMMY!

09-03-2006 10:00 PM

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PatriarchVerlch
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So do you all think there is a possiblity of rape when a female soldier is captured?

That’s a dumb question. But it deserves an answer.

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

09-04-2006 06:10 AM

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ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

PatriarchVerlch wrote:
So do you all think there is a possiblity of rape when a female soldier is captured?

That’s a dumb question. But it deserves an answer.

Of course there is.

There’s also a chance of torture and having your head sawed off if you’re a man.

What’s your point?  Women shouldn’t be in the military because, like men, they’ll get hurt?

I think they – like men – are willing to take that risk, and it’s not your job to protect them from themselves.

09-04-2006 06:59 AM

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moneyneversleep
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The issue of women serving with men, in the US Military, is a cultural one where men are predisposed to “protecting” women at their own peril.  This is not the same in Israel (I go to Tel Aviv 1-2 times a year), or in the Far East and other cultures where it is more accepted that women serve side-by-side with men and, in many instances, mandatory civil service is the norm (I, for one, support 2 years of mandatory civil service).  With these issues it is typically a liability for serving alongside the typical mindset of the normative US Military enlisted man who is of average (or less than average) intelligence and typically has cultural issues ingrained within them from a very young age.

09-04-2006 12:12 PM

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ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

moneyneversleep wrote:
The issue of women serving with men, in the US Military, is a cultural one where men are predisposed to “protecting” women at their own peril.  This is not the same in Israel (I go to Tel Aviv 1-2 times a year), or in the Far East and other cultures where it is more accepted that women serve side-by-side with men and, in many instances, mandatory civil service is the norm (I, for one, support 2 years of mandatory civil service).  With these issues it is typically a liability for serving alongside the typical mindset of the normative US Military enlisted man who is of average (or less than average) intelligence and typically has cultural issues ingrained within them from a very young age.

Yeah – very true.  That’s why women aren’t allowed into direct combat…because men can’t stop themselves from wanting to protect.  Not our fault, but hey…why should YOU have to try to change, right?  Or maintain professionalism on a level that wouldn’t have you compromising a mission in the interest of being manly.

Women will stay in the military, though…the more people, the better, and the service women provide is as important as that provided by men.  If you would have all women leave the military to suit your standards of what men and women “should” do, who would you have replace them?  Or would you rather the numbers simply deplete, because too few is better than having women in there?

09-04-2006 12:31 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

I, for one, would not try save a woman at the expense of a unit of men in combat.  It would be a mistake, a waste of time and resources, and not worth the effort.  Then again, I am a cold blooded pragmatist.  I am not polluted by cultural issues or erroneous social mores that corrupt good judgment or logic. I have been this way since a boy, why change now.  It has nothing to do with being manly, be a loser to someone else who cares.  Try using some logic rather than evading the issues and throwing up your own insecurities.

09-04-2006 01:37 PM

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ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

moneyneversleep wrote:
I, for one, would not try save a woman at the expense of a unit of men in combat. Is this discussion about you, or about your thoughts on women in the military?  It would be a mistake, a waste of time and resources, and not worth the effort.  Then again, I am a cold blooded pragmatist.  Oh, I don’t know…you get pretty heated and irrational on these boards.  I’d hardly call you logical. I am not polluted by cultural issues or erroneous social mores that corrupt good judgment or logic. Er…I have been this way since a boy, why change now.  It has nothing to do with being manly, be a loser to someone else who cares.  Try using some logic rather than evading the issues and throwing up your own insecurities.  Blah blah yadda yadda…

09-04-2006 02:06 PM

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tellafriend
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tellafriend

Let this idiot woman do hand to hand combat with the potatoes in the kitchen. Just in case the enemy needs french fries or something.

09-04-2006 02:58 PM

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moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

You are very insecure.

09-05-2006 10:12 AM

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Anti_Feminist
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Anti_Feminist

Here’s some food for thought. I put it to you that the reason that men don’t want women in the military for the fear that they will use the same tactics to get ahead they use in all other parts of life. Namely to try and bring men down to a level where they can compete with them. The proof, in Australia the old entry point score system has been replaced with a new grade A-F system. What they don’t tell you is that the requirements needed to score an A as a woman are far less than the requirements needed to score an A as a man.

now don’t get me wrong i do believe there are places in the military for woman. But i put it to you none of those places are armed combat roles. Where people become confused is with the issue of technology. Advanced missile guidance systems that have the ability to track a target over incredible distances and still connect with pin point accuracy do not care which gender pushes the button. And our current technology level more than compensates for biological differences between the sexes when working at its peak (it would want to given the U.S. army is the largest employer of single mothers in the world to date). But it when that technology fails that we encounter a problem.

The ultimate example is nam. Where America had just finished fighting with Russia and still had all the technology it had developed from that conflict when trouble with Vietnam had to be dealt with. America went in relying on its technological superiority to win. But the harsh conditions of the jungle meant that most of what they had soon became useless. The most well know of which was the rifle developed for Russia which was advertised as self cleaning! Now what that meant in practical terms is that they had done away with the need for oil to clean the gun because in Russia the oil froze. It didn’t mean you could neglect cleaning you weapon, which is of course what the soldiers did. Needless to say when they came to use it, it didn’t work. Now what happens to our single mother soldiers when the technology blurring the genetic boundaries fails? And what happens to the men who put their lives on the line believing that their “fellow officers” would pull their own weight?

09-05-2006 10:53 AM

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When I was a cadet at one of the 3 major US Military Academies the female cadets routinely brokes rules and expected special consideration.  They were unable to keep up with their male counterparts and knew that they would rarely face discipline as the funding from Congress was directly tied to participation and graduation rates.  The fact is/was their attrition rate was much higher than men and they don’t belong in the service academies.  I ignored them as they were an unpleasant distraction and not worthy of the attention they received to encourage their success and eventual graduation.

09-05-2006 11:12 AM

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moneyneversleep wrote:
When I was a cadet at one of the 3 major US Military Academies the female cadets routinely brokes rules and expected special consideration.  They were unable to keep up with their male counterparts and knew that they would rarely face discipline as the funding from Congress was directly tied to participation and graduation rates.  The fact is/was their attrition rate was much higher than men and they don’t belong in the service academies.  I ignored them as they were an unpleasant distraction and not worthy of the attention they received to encourage their success and eventual graduation.

This reminds me of Rocky3. Rocky thinks he can beat MrT(forgot his movie name, was it Lane?) the new hungry fighter with no problem only to have the trainer tell him his last fights were rigged with lesser weaker opponents. Women think they can do more than they actually can because someone lowers the standards to make them feel successful. What happens when the enemy didn’t lower his standards? You get knocked out.

09-05-2006 12:50 PM

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Women and the Draft

Published On Wednesday, March 05, 2003  12:00 AM
By ANAT MAYTAL

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Last month, Rep. Charles B. Rangel, D-N.Y., spoke at the ARCO Forum about his consciousness-raising bill to reinstitute the military draft. In his speech, Rangel insisted that war or no war, there has to be more “shared sacrifice” in this country—and this needs to include not only men of all races and classes, but women as well.

Of course, there has not been a military draft since 1973, but in 1980 Congress, receiving a bill from President Jimmy Carter, reinstated a requirement for 18-year-old men to register with the Selective Service System so that in the event of a military conflict where volunteer forces are not sufficient, they may be called to serve their country. Men who do not register are barred from receiving federal student aid and are subject to criminal prosecution. Women, on the other hand, are not allowed to register at all.

The Supreme Court, in 1981, upheld Congress’ decision not to register women—the argument being that since women were restricted from combat positions, they would serve the military no useful purpose in a draft intended to gather troops for combat.

However, the court’s argument is undermined by the success of women in the current American military and in the armed forces of other countries—particularly in Israel, the first country ever to conscript women. Since the country’s independence in 1948, the Israeli armed forces have drafted both men and women without any hindrance to their ability to fight and win wars—wars that, in fact, could not possibly have been won without women. For decades, Israeli women have served their country by working in technology, intelligence and other behind-the-scenes positions crucial for military effort. Their work in these non-combative roles allowed more men to move to the front lines. And ever since 1995, many drafted women have proven themselves to be proficient in their new assignment as paramilitary border police, which is the equivalent of combat work.

In the U.S., however, though the draft may honor citizens for their patriotism, it is also one of the most glaring examples of state-sanctioned sexual discrimination. The reality is that despite persisting stereotypes about the weak nature of women in the military, women can and do fight in combat positions with as much strength as their fellow male soldiers. In 1995, the U.S. Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine in Natick, Mass. found that after 24 weeks of physical training, more than 75 percent of the ordinary female civilians in the study could do the tasks male soldiers were required to do as efficiently and sometimes even better than men. These were mothers, lawyers, bartenders and students doing the exercises of male U.S. Army soldiers. Clearly, testosterone is not a prerequisite to be a competent soldier.

Trends in America defy traditional beliefs about women in the military. While women cannot be required to register for a draft, a growing number of women are volunteering for military service. In 2002, there were 212,000 women on active duty serving in nearly every type of unit, including combat units. Over 40,000 women fought in the Persian Gulf War of 1991, and one out of every five women in uniform was deployed in direct support of the troops in Iraq and Kuwait.

Times have clearly changed, and the role of women in the military has changed dramatically, as well. Women have finally begun to break through the glass ceiling and have achieved a level of equality never seen before. However, their exclusion from the draft only confirms the military’s persistent doubts about the capability of women to fight wars. Granted, not all women are capable of fighting, but then again, not all men are capable either.

As we approach another war with Iraq it is hopeful and likely that a draft will not be necessary. Nevertheless, as long as the Selective Service System is in place, women should be required to register. After all, as the Department of Defense concluded in its 1981 review of the Selective Service System, “the success of the military will increasingly depend upon the participation of women.”

09-05-2006 11:39 PM

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1.  It will never happen.  The draft is dead and buried.

Are you for real or just prone to vomitting up any bs you read on the internet?

09-06-2006 09:58 AM

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