‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?


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‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
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Feb. 22, 2006 — An alarming number of college-educated women are leaving the work force to stay at home and raise their children, a trend that is a tragedy not only for the mothers, but ultimately their children and women as a whole.

So said law professor and working mom Linda Hirshman in a 2005 article for American Prospect magazine that has ignited an intense debate among mothers.

Census figures show 54 percent of mothers with a graduate or professional degree no longer work full time. In 2003 and 2004 Hirshman interviewed about 30 women whose wedding announcements had appeared in The New York Times in 1996 and who had had children. Five of the women were working full time, and 10 were working part time. The rest were not working at all.

“We care because what they do is bad for them, is certainly bad for society, and is widely imitated, even by people who never get their weddings in the Times,” Hirshman wrote. “This last is called the ‘regime effect,’ and it means that even if women don’t quit their jobs for their families, they think they should and feel guilty about not doing it.”

Hirshman also said educated women choosing to stay home was bad for them as individuals.

“A good life for humans includes the classical standard of using one’s capacities for speech and reason in a prudent way, the liberal requirement of having enough autonomy to direct one’s own life, and the utilitarian test of doing more good than harm in the world,” Hirshman wrote. “Measured against these time-tested standards, the expensively educated, upper-class moms will be leading lesser lives.”

The Other Side

Faith Fuhrman has a master’s degree in nursing, but chooses to stay home with her children.

“The job I was in when I had, first had my child, I couldn’t have done it,” Fuhrman said. “I was working 14 hours a day. I was on call.”

When Debbie Klett became a mother, she quit her job in ad sales and started a magazine called Total 180 so she could work from home and spend more time with her children.

“For me, I feel it is vital to be there for my children every day, to consistently tend to their needs, to grow their self-esteem, and to praise them when they’re right, guide them when they’re not, and to be a loving, caring mom every minute of the day,” Klett said.

Klett acknowledged there were consequences to her choice to stay at home. To save money, her family has given up cable, does not go out to dinner, and does not go on vacations.

“We made tremendous financial sacrifices for me to be able to stay home with my children, and I wouldn’t trade that for the world,” Klett said.

What About the Children?

Hirshman argues that Klett’s children would be fine if she worked outside the home. Statistically there is no difference in the happiness levels of the children whose mothers work and the children whose mothers stay at home, she said.

Deborah Skolnick agrees. She is a magazine editor who will not give up her job and feels working is a good example for her children, and helps them in other ways.

“I think my kids are as well-behaved and as well-socialized, if not better, than a lot of a fair number of at-home moms,” Skolnick said. “I see at-home moms whose children won’t separate from them, won’t go to school, cry at the door. My children have learned, from an early age, that Mommy will be back. So they kiss me and they say goodbye.”

Fuhrman asked her 13-year-old son what he thought was the benefit of having a stay-at-home mom.

“He said, ‘Well, I really like to come home every day and finding you here,'” Fuhrman said.

“But on the other hand, my daughter says to me, ‘Mommy, when I grow up, I’m gonna get a job at your magazine, and I’m gonna sit at the same desk as you and we’re gonna be on the same magazine together until we die,'” Skolnick said. “And that makes me kind of happy.”

09-11-2006 02:20 PM

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“An alarming number of college-educated women are leaving the work force to stay at home and raise their children, a trend that is a tragedy not only for the mothers, but ultimately their children and women as a whole.”

The only tragedy I see in this trend, is the massive amounts of public tax dollars that were wasted on college educating these women simply so they could have a “choice” to chuck the college degree anytime they “choose”. Most state college systems suck down massive amounts of public tax dollars, so taxpayers are getting shafted on this deal. The last I checked, it doesn’t take a college degree to have and raise children. The only way to rectify this situation where taxpayers are getting shafted just so women can have illogical “choices”, would be for any college that accepts state tax dollars to require any female student to be sterlized upon admission to the said college. I think most all the leaders of the feminist movement would also agree with me on this sterlization idea because the feminist leadership considers the very act of childbirth to be a form of rape anyways. Besides, women would still have choices, the choices would just be limited to logical choices — either choose to forego college and choose to be a SAHM, or choose to go to college and be sterilized upon admission to any college that receives state tax dollars.

09-11-2006 02:45 PM

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porkchops38 wrote:
“An alarming number of college-educated women are leaving the work force to stay at home and raise their children, a trend that is a tragedy not only for the mothers, but ultimately their children and women as a whole.”

The only tragedy I see in this trend, is the massive amounts of public tax dollars that were wasted on college educating these women simply so they could have a “choice” to chuck the college degree anytime they “choose”. Most state college systems suck down massive amounts of public tax dollars, so taxpayers are getting shafted on this deal. The last I checked, it doesn’t take a college degree to have and raise children. The only way to rectify this situation where taxpayers are getting shafted just so women can have illogical “choices”, would be for any college that accepts state tax dollars to require any female student to be sterlized upon admission to the said college. I think most all the leaders of the feminist movement would also agree with me on this sterlization idea because the feminist leadership considers the very act of childbirth to be a form of rape anyways. Besides, women would still have choices, the choices would just be limited to logical choices — either choose to forego college and choose to be a SAHM, or choose to go to college and be sterilized upon admission to any college that receives state tax dollars.

Porkchops for dinner… and President.

09-11-2006 03:18 PM

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dumbbroad
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“any college that accepts state tax dollars to require any female student to be sterlized upon admission to the said college”

so should any man who does not attend college be castrated?

09-11-2006 04:15 PM

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tellafriend
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dumbbroad wrote:
“any college that accepts state tax dollars to require any female student to be sterlized upon admission to the said college”

so should any man who does not attend college be castrated?

Idiot, who is subsidizing your couch sleeping marathons? We’re talking about direct cost to the public. Wow you’re stupid. But then again, your name pretty much spells out why your reasoning capacity is handicapped.

09-11-2006 05:06 PM

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porkchops38
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dumbbroad wrote:
“any college that accepts state tax dollars to require any female student to be sterlized upon admission to the said college”

so should any man who does not attend college be castrated?

Men don’t have any choice but to work and pay taxes, so when the state invests in the college education of men the state is getting a return on their investment because men who are college educated make more money — thus they pay more in taxes. When 50% of women who get college degrees end up being SAHM’s, that’s a tremendous waste of taxpayers’ money. If 50% of men who get college degrees refused to work, the economy would collapse tomorrow. This isn’t rocket science dumbbroad.

09-11-2006 06:18 PM

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Considering that men students at the college level is running about 43%, that is HUGE AMOUNT of state, Pell Grants and other taxpayer-funded scholarships wasted on those who will simply eject from the workforce when it becomes “unfulfilling”. Absolute BS…

A chant for them:
“Me me me, thank you for the free degree.”

09-11-2006 06:38 PM

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Each of us is born with talents, talents that require education to nuture.  Denying women education unless they are willing to be sterilized is “Taliban” like.

Since you are so eagar and willing to quote studies and such – how about studies that show the success and wellness of children is highly corelated to the education level of the mother?   This is independent of the education level of the father.

I have one that perhaps you will like….if a man fathers more than one child that he refuses to pay child support on – castrate him.  We can’t have men running around like that – a burden to the tax payers and all (you tend to like to talk about he burden of women) – and after all – according to you (not me) – we women are so stupid that we cannot be expected to say no!!!

After all of the posts I have read of the horrible things said about women by some of the “gentlemen” on this board, it is not surprising that you are not married and that you will be the reason why feminism – the definition being EQUAL OPPORTUNITY for all – Each to their ability – will still have to be pushed as it is not a “given” yet.

09-11-2006 09:59 PM

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“…if a man fathers more than one child that he refuses to pay child support on – castrate him.”

Sterilize her. She’s the one having the kids, not him.

It is futile to try and control reproduction by trying to control males. Females are the pressure point. If you castrate him, she will still have no problem finding plenty of other sperm donors. Sterilize her and they all become insignificant.

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09-11-2006 10:23 PM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
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MartianBachelor wrote:
“…if a man fathers more than one child that he refuses to pay child support on – castrate him.”

Sterilize her. She’s the one having the kids, not him.

It is futile to try and control reproduction by trying to control males. Females are the pressure point. If you castrate him, she will still have no problem finding plenty of other sperm donors. Sterilize her and they all become insignificant.

What about the men fathers different babies with different mothers and refuses to pay child support to any of them? I know two, both got two girls pregnant within one month.

Message Edited by 3rdworldwm on 09-11-2006 10:31 PM

09-11-2006 10:29 PM

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So, I guess you are saying that men should not have to deal with the consequences of their running around?  I thought that men, according to you, were smarter and thus able to see reason and accept consequences of their actions.  Women cannot have children without sperm.  Men – Are they out of control?  A tool for their hormones?  Then they cannot be in charge!!!  They cannot be the leader!  Too emotional!!!

Because the women have the children and therefore should be sterilized is, I am afraid, a cop out.

Can’t have it BOTH ways…..

Sarcasm aside – each person, in a hetrosexual relationship, of child bearing years, must be responsible.  None of this crap from men – “She got herself pregnant”!  Oh like she can reproduce asexually – and from women – “No glove – no love” – don’t tell me you don’t know how you got pregnant!

09-11-2006 10:37 PM

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OneSmartChick wrote:
feminism – the definition being EQUAL OPPORTUNITY for all – Each to their ability – will still have to be pushed as it is not a “given” yet.

The definition of feminism is not “EQUAL OPPORTUNITY for all”.

That’s the lie feminism promotes.

The definition of feminism is to use big daddy government to create an advantage for women by fleecing men. Feminism has nothing at to do with equal opportunity.

You’ll understand the definition of equality when big daddy government can no longer support feminism.

Feminists will get their comeuppance.

“With women or the female mindset imparted through feminization on the vast majority of society, it will be very easy to control the Empire…I mean…the republic.” – mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com

09-11-2006 10:39 PM

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“When 50% of women who get college degrees end up being SAHM’s, that’s a tremendous waste of taxpayers’ money.”

According to the most recent census returns, 63% of college-educated mothers are currently in the workforce, meaning that approximately 37% of college-educated women are stay-at-home mothers, not 50% (link)

If you want to make a list of things that are a tremendous waste of taxpayer dollars, we will be here all night. Maybe we could start with the war in Iraq — billions of our dollars being sent abroad at the behest of many an Ivy League educated politician while our own citizens in the Gulf Coast are still waiting for someone to rebuild their storm ravaged home.

Or maybe we could just peruse the many spending bills that come out of Congress … there’s a whole organization, Citizens Against Government Waste – spearheaded by John McCain, that lists the ridiculous things our government is willing to spend money on. Not once have I seen “educating women” among the list of offenders. In fact, it tackles unnecessary education spending … approximately $250 million spent on incentives (none of which were targeted at women) that didn’t really go anywhere … and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

To suggest that educating our nation’s women is akin throwing away tax dollars is laughable to say the least if you really examined where all these tax dollars actually end up.

09-11-2006 10:46 PM

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AMerica already has a massive child support system (federal, state, local) which essentially financially castrates men the more children they have. If that massive child support system can’t make the man pay for his progeny, it could only be because such a man is a nomad running from place to place to escape the clutches of the system, and if any woman gets pregnant from such a nomadic man, it’s kind of a no-brainer who is massively stupid in that situation.

09-11-2006 10:50 PM

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porkchops38 wrote:
AMerica already has a massive child support system (federal, state, local) which essentially financially castrates men the more children they have. If that massive child support system can’t make the man pay for his progeny, it could only be because such a man is a nomad running from place to place to escape the clutches of the system, and if any woman gets pregnant from such a nomadic man, it’s kind of a no-brainer who is massively stupid in that situation.

I agree with you 100% that those women are stupid. But the question here is not who is stupid, the question is should such men be physically castrated?

09-11-2006 10:54 PM

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Whether you liken it to castration – men should support their children.    So if man is stupid enough to go around producing child after child, then take his entire check away.  I mean – how smart is a man that does that?  And all I am hearing is that men are smarter then women, more entitled than women, better than women – how SMART is it to produce offspring that you cannot take care of – thus ensuring they will have a harder road to plow.  I mean – women – so you say – we are stupid – so we have to have men limit the number of places they shoot their sperm.  Far be it for a mere women to have that control!

09-11-2006 11:14 PM

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Termi0n
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3rdworldwm wrote:

MartianBachelor wrote:
“…if a man fathers more than one child that he refuses to pay child support on – castrate him.”

Sterilize her. She’s the one having the kids, not him.

It is futile to try and control reproduction by trying to control males. Females are the pressure point. If you castrate him, she will still have no problem finding plenty of other sperm donors. Sterilize her and they all become insignificant.

What about the men fathers different babies with different mothers and refuses to pay child support to any of them? I know two, both got two girls pregnant within one month.

Message Edited by 3rdworldwm on 09-11-2006 10:31 PM

You’re worried about child support… But not the fact that people are sleeping around and having children out of wedlock. The guy is sleeping around and having babies and not taking care of them. The mothers are sleeping around with a player/badboy. These are the consquences for their actions.

If they didnt do this in the first place, child support wouldnt be an issue. You’re sitting there saying he got them pregnant. He didnt rape them. The women had all the power to say, “no.” But they didnt. So what do they expect?

STOP SLEEPING AROUND IF YOU CANT DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.

No, he shouldnt pay child support. They should BOTH be more responsible people.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-11-2006 11:16 PM

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porkchops38
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The study I saw said 50%, still if 37% of men with college degrees “choose” to not work anymore, America collapses economically tomorrow. Men don’t have a choice.

You also have to remember that 63% of women with college degrees may be in the workforce, but that includes part-time employment — which is essentially a half-azzed usage of their college degree. Most men applying for high-paying jobs would have their azzes laughed out the building if they even inquired about working part-time. So, there’s nothing in this discussion about “equality”, this whole discussion is about special treatment and special priviledges for women only, a.k.a. “misandry”.

I don’t think I should delve into the financial state of things, since you mentioned $250 million as if that’s big money in your opinion. Cupcake, $250 million is soda-pop money compared to the financial disaster that the USA is economically headed to — right now the USA is in debt $117 trillion (public & private) and growing daily. Furthermore, it is projected that just the federal government alone faces a $65 trillion shortfall just on mandated federal entitlement spending in the future. So, if you’re arguing that we should continue to waste money on educating women with college degrees when 37% to 50% of those women will never utilize those college degrees to work full-time and make money to pay taxes back to the government, you’re going to need to come up with a better argument than “well, we waste money on other things”.

09-11-2006 11:17 PM

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3rdworldwm wrote:

porkchops38 wrote:
AMerica already has a massive child support system (federal, state, local) which essentially financially castrates men the more children they have. If that massive child support system can’t make the man pay for his progeny, it could only be because such a man is a nomad running from place to place to escape the clutches of the system, and if any woman gets pregnant from such a nomadic man, it’s kind of a no-brainer who is massively stupid in that situation.

I agree with you 100% that those women are stupid. But the question here is not who is stupid, the question is should such men be physically castrated?

It seems like you already answered your own question… unless you believe we should castrate men for women’s stupidity?

09-11-2006 11:19 PM

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Fems have sown to the wind and now reap the whirlwind with generational repercussions. Sorry that many ignorant and unknowing women are being sucked into the funnel cloud of male undesireability. If you only had the cajones/knowledge to realize that something is really jacked up in man/woman relationships lately…

09-11-2006 11:21 PM

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Perhaps you did not read my previous post – the well being of the child is directly correlated to the educational level of the mother.   The more educated the mother is, the better off her offspring are.   College educations, unless they are highly specialized such as law or medicine, provide an indiviual – man or women ehancement in their daily lives, in addition to showing an employer they know how to process information and learn (well most college teach that) – educated women for example, that are stay-at-home moms are in a better position to educate their children at home or guide their career choices.

I think your opposition to women getting an education has to do with your general contempt for women as individuals.  Your posts seem to say that you are not comfortable with yourself – people that put others down like you do tend to have huge issues with their own place in the world.  I am sure if you thought about the significant women in your life, if any exist, you would want them to have as much education as they can get, as you would the significant males in your life.

09-11-2006 11:27 PM

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OneSmartChick wrote:
Perhaps you did not read my previous post – the well being of the child is directly correlated to the educational level of the mother.   The more educated the mother is, the better off her offspring are.   College educations, unless they are highly specialized such as law or medicine, provide an indiviual – man or women ehancement in their daily lives, in addition to showing an employer they know how to process information and learn (well most college teach that) – educated women for example, that are stay-at-home moms are in a better position to educate their children at home or guide their career choices.
College does not make you a better mother or father.

I think your opposition to women getting an education has to do with your general contempt for women as individuals.  Your posts seem to say that you are not comfortable with yourself – people that put others down like you do tend to have huge issues with their own place in the world.  I am sure if you thought about the significant women in your life, if any exist, you would want them to have as much education as they can get, as you would the significant males in your life.

You assume much. College does not make you a better person or parent. It makes you better at your choice of occupation. Thats it.

People have been raising children for 1000’s of years without college.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-11-2006 11:36 PM

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OneSmartChick
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Please read my post – I am not talking about being a good person.  I am talking about giving your children advantages – AGAIN – the well being of the child is directly correlated to the educational level of the mother.   The more educated the mother is, the better off her offspring are.   Why is that so hard for you to grasp?   If you look around the world – your know – outside the US – the more educated the society is, the better off the offspring are as they can avail themselves of the benefits of first world society.

Yes, people have been raising children for thousands of years without college.  We have become a more complex world and advances have been made.    Would you like to go back to horseback to travel because people did it for hundreds of years?  You still get from A to B?

College gives men and women flexibility in their lives – perhaps that is what you resent women having.  It’s something that does tells employers you know how to learn and have some discipline (maybe I am giving some colleges too much credit)    The more educated a society is the higher standard of living it has (usually)- did you take economics 101 in college???

You are a very bitter person when it comes to women.  Please don’t let your bitterness color your guidance to your daughters.

09-11-2006 11:49 PM

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I’ve never said women should be denied from going to college, I simply said that it’s quite illogical to offer women the choice to go to college while at the same time allow the same women to choose to throw their college degree in the garbage at a later date. Men do not have that choice, and it’s only misandry that says women should have choices that men don’t have.

If women choose to go to college, then they need to stick with that choice just like men do. Tax dollars are wasted just so women can “choose” to change her mind at a later date — that’s 100% assinine and 100% misandry. If sterlization of women who choose to go to college is too harsh for you, then there’s other ways to make society truly equal for both men and women. If women still want the choice to throw their college degree in the garbage at a later date, then we could eliminate all taxpayer funded programs that help women get college educations — for example state colleges would offer women higher tuition rates than men since 37% of those women are going to throw their college degree in the garbage at a later date anyway. So, you see my intent is not to deny women a college education, nor is my intent to sterilize women, etc., — my whole intent is to stop the assinine waste of taxpayers monies on a misandristic system just so women can have the right to make “choices”, choices that men never have and choices that wastes billions of taxpayers’ dollars.

09-12-2006 12:06 AM

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Men have choices – they can work part-time or stay home with kids.  Because they choose to not avail themselves of their choices does not mean they are not present.  Since you all love to quote stats – go out and find out how many stay-at-home men exist.  And I’ll be willing to bet over 50% of them have college degrees.   I do know the number of men staying at home, while their female partner works for money, is on the rise.   Because someone stays at home and does not do paid work does not mean their degree is not used.   What about the stay-at-home partner that does volunteer work – using their degree.  Is that not enhancing society?

Men and women (both!) with a college degree have flexibility in their lives.  What about the man that spends thousands of my tax dollars in pell grants (and I do pay lots of federal income tax – but I bet that most of my dollars are in Iraq) to be an engineer and ends up selling computers.  That is a WASTE.  He got a five year degree when an associates should do – but – like a woman, he used his flexibility of having a degree to ehance his life.    One does not need to understand the laws of thermodynamics to sell computers.

The bottom line is both genders benefit from education and resenting women for staying at home raising children that have a degree and saying men don’t have  that choice is – parden me – BU(LS*IT.

09-12-2006 12:19 AM

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MartianBachelor
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“Men have choices – they can work part-time or stay home with kids. Because they choose to not avail themselves of their choices does not mean they are not present.”

In order to have the choice you allude to, men would need to have women willing to support them in that choice, and pick up the tab while the guy stays at home or brings in less money by working only part-time. The number of such women is quite small. Consequently, the number of such men is quite small.

You have it backwards. The choice for men to stay home is not generally present, so saying men aren’t availing themselves of it is meaningless.

The poll numbers of high school students have for some time shown something near half of the boys saying they wouldn’t mind being stay-at-home dads, or that they’d like the opportunity to work part-time in order to be able to spend more time with their kids. The fact that only about 2% of dads are stay-at-home dads indicates the unwillingness is on the part of the women, who are needed to support such a system, not the men.

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09-12-2006 01:15 AM

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The number of women who marry a man who stays home and takes care of the kids while she is the breadwinner is such an insignificant percentage that it doesn’t warrant being mentioned. However, just for the sake of argument, we should take that tiny % of men who graduate from college and use their degree to be a stay at home dad, and we should punish them economically just like we should punish women who do the same. It’s that simple. Maybe if we started doing that instead of wasting billions of tax dollars on educating people who never use it, people would start getting serious about life — we’re talking about adults here, not children who can’t make up their minds. Colleges are filled with adults, not wishy washy children who can’t make up their minds about their course in life. We should start treating adults like adults, not treating adults as if they are little children who can change their minds on a dime and send the bill to the taxpayers. $117 trillion in debt is enough.

09-12-2006 01:25 AM

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dumbbroad wrote:

Or maybe we could just peruse the many spending bills that come out of Congress … there’s a whole organization, Citizens Against Government Waste – spearheaded by John McCain, that lists the ridiculous things our government is willing to spend money on. Not once have I seen “educating women” among the list of offenders. In fact, it tackles unnecessary education spending … approximately $250 million spent on incentives (none of which were targeted at women) that didn’t really go anywhere … and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

To suggest that educating our nation’s women is akin throwing away tax dollars is laughable to say the least if you really examined where all these tax dollars actually end up.

You stupid biitch, OF COURSE they can’t say “educating women is a waste.” You dumb biitches would go ballistic with the PC aftermath.

It’s amazing that we have to keep pointing out your idiocy when your name already acknowledges your own idiocy.

Never let a woman think out loud. EVER. I mean female idiocy is astronomical… the root word being comical. The fact that men have to be redundant and think for you is pretty telling. This board is basically a prime example of why educating females is a waste of time. You morons don’t have the MENTAL CAPACITY to grasp anything intelligent and coherent. This is why the kitchen isn’t made from logic and common sense. It’s made out of carrots, peas, meat, eggs and butter– all things willing and able to compete with your laughable IQ’s.

09-12-2006 02:08 AM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
tellafriend
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tellafriend

OneDUMBFUGLYBIITCH wrote:
Whether you liken it to castration – men should support their children.    So if man is stupid enough to go around producing child after child, then take his entire check away.  I mean – how smart is a man that does that?  And all I am hearing is that men are smarter then women, more entitled than women, better than women – how SMART is it to produce offspring that you cannot take care of – thus ensuring they will have a harder road to plow.  I mean – women – so you say – we are stupid – so we have to have men limit the number of places they shoot their sperm.  Far be it for a mere women to have that control!

Look you dumb biitch, if you closed your legs, you wouldn’t have to worry about producing any kids now would you?.. Dumb biitch do you ever think?.. You’re going to pull a brain cell at this rate.

And what does a fugly fatty like you have to worry about men anyway. Men are looking for hot chicks not fugly looking menopause mustache-toting butch Marge Schott twins. If you learned how to give a decent bj when you opened your mouth, maybe a guy would have a perfect place to put his sperm. God knows nothing productive is coming out of that tiny brain. Might as well put something in it.

Message Edited by tellafriend on 09-12-2006 12:50 PM

09-12-2006 02:17 AM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
tellafriend
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OneSTUPIDBIITCH wrote:
Please read my post – I am not talking about being a good person.  I am talking about giving your children advantages – AGAIN – the well being of the child is directly correlated to the educational level of the mother.

You gullible stupid biitch, the well being of a child is directly related to how well the mother learns to STFU and let the man LEAD THE WAY. When dumb biitches like you presume to think for us, we end up with carjackers, murderers, rapists, etc..

You stupid biitches are directly responsible for your own climate of fear that you’ve perpetuated and escalated. This is what happens when you let dumb biitches decide social policy.

09-12-2006 02:26 AM

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tellafriend
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OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:
Men have choices – they can work part-time or stay home with kids.  Because they choose to not avail themselves of their choices does not mean they are not present.

You stupid biitch are you kidding me?

WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS SHEER IDIOCY?

This is why dumb biitches belong in the KITCHEN and not behind a keyboard. It’s a wonder you didn’t electrocute yourself being that stupid.

09-12-2006 02:32 AM

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dumbbroad
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“if any woman gets pregnant from such a nomadic man, it’s kind of a no-brainer who is massively stupid in that situation”

so by that logic, if a man marries a woman who ends up going after all his money in a divorce proceeding, then he is also just massively stupid for having married her? from previous posts, i don’t know that some of the men on this board would agree, but it seems the two scenarios are similar.

09-12-2006 10:08 AM

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dumbbroad
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“Cupcake, $250 million is soda-pop money compared to the financial disaster that the USA is economically headed to”

Brownie, it must be nice to consider $250 million such a paltry offering, but as I said, that is just the tip of the iceberg. I’m well aware of the country’s dire financial situation. But if you really examined how tax dollars are spent, Angel Food Cake, higher education is not exactly high on the offender list. President Bush has consistently cut funding for Pell Grants in recent years. It’s not like every American high school student is just skipping off to college with a free ride.

You also make it sound like every man who gets a college degree is just slaving away for the next 40 years while his female counterparts are using their diplomas to fan themselves while vacationing in the Hamptons. I can assure you, my dear peach cobbler, not every man (or woman) who received a college degree is using that education to the best of his ability. But I don’t see you suggesting that a college-educated man who decides to chuck it all and become a ski bum out west is nothing but a tax burden who should be sterilized.

And what about education for the sake of education? Don’t you ever investigate things simply because they interest you? Of course you do. Should you be penalized if you take a film class but never produce a movie? If you take French classes but never make it to Paris? No, because part of college is exploring what makes you tick and becoming a more independent person. Putting such strict parameters on someone’s life at age 18 is going to stifle the country’s innovation more than a few tax dollars “wasted” on a woman …

Message Edited by dumbbroad on 09-12-2006 11:37 AM

09-12-2006 10:36 AM

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porkchops38
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dumbbroad wrote:
“if any woman gets pregnant from such a nomadic man, it’s kind of a no-brainer who is massively stupid in that situation”

so by that logic, if a man marries a woman who ends up going after all his money in a divorce proceeding, then he is also just massively stupid for having married her? from previous posts, i don’t know that some of the men on this board would agree, but it seems the two scenarios are similar.

Bingo cupcake! That’s why wise men today are not getting married at all. You must have took your smart pills this morning.

09-12-2006 12:01 PM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
porkchops38
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dumbbroad wrote:

“Cupcake, $250 million is soda-pop money compared to the financial disaster that the USA is economically headed to”

Brownie, it must be nice to consider $250 million such a paltry offering, but as I said, that is just the tip of the iceberg. I’m well aware of the country’s dire financial situation. But if you really examined how tax dollars are spent, Angel Food Cake, higher education is not exactly high on the offender list. President Bush has consistently cut funding for Pell Grants in recent years. It’s not like every American high school student is just skipping off to college with a free ride.

You also make it sound like every man who gets a college degree is just slaving away for the next 40 years while his female counterparts are using their diplomas to fan themselves while vacationing in the Hamptons. I can assure you, my dear peach cobbler, not every man (or woman) who received a college degree is using that education to the best of his ability. But I don’t see you suggesting that a college-educated man who decides to chuck it all and become a ski bum out west is nothing but a tax burden who should be sterilized.

And what about education for the sake of education? Don’t you ever investigate things simply because they interest you? Of course you do. Should you be penalized if you take a film class but never produce a movie? If you take French classes but never make it to Paris? No, because part of college is exploring what makes you tick and becoming a more independent person. Putting such strict parameters on someone’s life at age 18 is going to stifle the country’s innovation more than a few tax dollars “wasted” on a woman …

Message Edited by dumbbroad on 09-12-2006 11:37 AM

Scratch that previous brain-fart I had about you taking your smart pills this morning. $117 trillion in debt makes $250 million look like soda-pop money, sorry if you are intellectually challenged with those numbers. The reason why we got to this mess of $117 trillion in debt is because of people who think like you saying, “well we waste money on other things”. Someone has to stop the money train before it jumps the tracks, and it will only start when people start attaching responsibilities to rights. Again, you seem to be intellectually challenged when faced with numbers of 37% to 50% of college-educated women chucking their college degrees. If men did that, the economy would collapse tomorrow, but when women do that it’s called a woman’s “choice” and the taxpayers get sent the bill.

If people don’t know what they want to do by the time they are 18, then you’ll need to explain to me why I should be punished financially with higher taxes and $117 trillion in debt, simply because of someone’s else indecision and/or stupidity. You cannot make a logical case for such punishment of decisive people just to give indecisive people the benefit, and if you try to make the case you’re simply saying that $117 trillion in debt is not big enought yet, it needs to go higher and taxes need to go higher so we can punish decisive people more and more for other people’s indecision. Like I say, this isn’t rocket science cupcake.

09-12-2006 12:13 PM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
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the rocket science cupcake comment gets funnier every time you say it. no, seriously.

anyway, perhaps you could quote some statistics on what percentage of those 37% actually got grants or scholarships from the government? I dunno about the rest of the women on here, but the only assistance I got from the government was loans.

also, according to your rationale, not only do we need to punish people who don’t make full use of their government-funded degrees, we also need to punish anyone who switches majors or careers, at any point.

09-12-2006 12:26 PM

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acrawfield wrote:
the rocket science cupcake comment gets funnier every time you say it. no, seriously.

anyway, perhaps you could quote some statistics on what percentage of those 37% actually got grants or scholarships from the government? I dunno about the rest of the women on here, but the only assistance I got from the government was loans.

also, according to your rationale, not only do we need to punish people who don’t make full use of their government-funded degrees, we also need to punish anyone who switches majors or careers, at any point.

I’m talking about the bigger picture, but if you want to nitpick until hell develops icecaps, then why don’t we just make it simple and get the government out of the social engineering business altogether, and let’s go back to the dog-eat-dog real world. Just cut all education funding beyond high school, save everyone some tax dollars and cut the debt down. Elsewise, I guess we’ll just keep giving one gender (women) special treatment and special priviledges, and in the process piling on the $117 trillion of debt until she implodes the whole economy.

P.s. If you went to a college that accepts state and/or federal tax monies, part of your college degree was financed by taxpayers. That is a fine deal to the taxpayers so long as you use your degree to make a higher income which translates into higher taxes and hopefully a higher standard of living for all. The problem is that men generally fulfill this “social contract” for the most part, whereas 37% to 50% of women chuck their college degree and taxpayers get to pay the bill, and the bill just gets added to the $117 trillion of debt and growing.

09-12-2006 12:51 PM

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so we get yelled at if we want careers, but we also get yelled at if decide not to use our degrees? I guess the only way to win is to sit at home and use your 8th grade education to knit potholders. because, honestly, do women need a high school education to be stay-at-home moms? aren’t we wasting taxpayers money on public high schools as well?

09-12-2006 12:56 PM

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“The reason why we got to this mess of $117 trillion in debt is because of people who think like you saying, “well we waste money on other things.”

I didn’t say I’m OK with wasting money on other things. It would be great if the government actually got its act together and spent money where money is needed rather than slipping in random line items at the 11th hour so they can get re-elected.

“Again, you seem to be intellectually challenged when faced with numbers of 37% to 50% of college-educated women chucking their college degrees. If men did that, the economy would collapse tomorrow, but when women do that it’s called a woman’s “choice” and the taxpayers get sent the bill.”

We’re talking about this like every single college-educated stay at home mother attended a public university and got a full ride from Uncle Sam, which is highly unlikely. It’s more likely that many of them did, however, attend a public elementary, middle and high school. Is that a waste of tax dollars? If all they need to know how to do is wash clothes, change diapers and read a bedtime story, shouldn’t that be wrapped up by third grade? If your 10-year-old daughter told you she wants to have kids one day, would you advocate pulling her out of school because her education would eventually be wasted?

How long does a person have to work in order to have not wasted their college education in your eyes? What about the Microsoft millionaires who retired at 30? Certainly, they would not be considered a failure because of their smart business decisions, but if they take that wealth and retire at 30, did they waste our tax dollars? And you didn’t answer my question about men who don’t make use of their degrees. What should be done about them?

People no longer graduate from college, work at the same job for 40 years and retire on Social Security. The beauty of a college education is the choices that it affords you down the line. If we had our entire lives mapped out by 18, what would there be to look forward to? I do a particular job at this point in my life – something I was trained to do in college – but that does not mean I’m locked into this for the rest of my life. If I choose to start my own business, work at Wendy’s, have three kids, have no kids, become a rock star, go into banking, charter boats in the Gulf of Mexico, whatever – that’s my business and my choice.That’s also your business and your choice. But as long as we pay our taxes and abide by the laws of this country, no one has the right to tell us whether or not we’ve wasted our time and effort by educating ourselves and basically living a happy and prosperous life.

09-12-2006 01:00 PM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
tellafriend
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tellafriend

acrawfield wrote:
the rocket science cupcake comment gets funnier every time you say it. no, seriously.

Hey stupid biitch, no seriously, you and the other rocket scientist yapping the same tired incoherent arguments over and over and over again without turning on your hearing aid really speaks highly of your intelligence.

Now go back in the kitchen and bake another brain cell you dumb biitch.

The men here are just humoring your idiocy. Imagine if they actually had to think to answer you instead of just looking to see which daily idiocy cue card you’re reading from and just pressing the button for the standard reply. I could have this entire conversation without you even being here, that’s how amazingly stupid you dumb biitches are. How embarrassing for you that your ridiculous incoherent arguments are so cliched and typical that it’s not even necessary for you to be around. I could just hire a monkey to type your argument for you.

This is the ultimate dumb biitch tactic: NAGGING. You don’t say anything coherent, you’re just too fuuuuucking stooooopid to process any new information. So you just replay the same arguments over and over and over, assuming that by nagging a man to death, you’re somehow getting a valid point across. Your tiny brain could never grasp how men argue. Men argue to get to the bottom of things. Idiot women argue for the same reason they converse– to hear themselves talk.

When guys talk, they trade actual information. When women talk, they trade nonsense and they reinforce each other’s idiocy.

09-12-2006 01:04 PM

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OneSmartChick wrote:
Men have choices – they can work part-time or stay home with kids.  Because they choose to not avail themselves of their choices does not mean they are not present.  Since you all love to quote stats – go out and find out how many stay-at-home men exist.  And I’ll be willing to bet over 50% of them have college degrees.   I do know the number of men staying at home, while their female partner works for money, is on the rise.   Because someone stays at home and does not do paid work does not mean their degree is not used.   What about the stay-at-home partner that does volunteer work – using their degree.  Is that not enhancing society?

Men and women (both!) with a college degree have flexibility in their lives.  What about the man that spends thousands of my tax dollars in pell grants (and I do pay lots of federal income tax – but I bet that most of my dollars are in Iraq) to be an engineer and ends up selling computers.  That is a WASTE.  He got a five year degree when an associates should do – but – like a woman, he used his flexibility of having a degree to ehance his life.    One does not need to understand the laws of thermodynamics to sell computers.

The bottom line is both genders benefit from education and resenting women for staying at home raising children that have a degree and saying men don’t have  that choice is – parden me – BU(LS*IT.

Wrong again if the wife does not want the man to stay at home and she wants the one to be to stay at home therell be a hell of a fight about it, directly resulting into divorce loss of children loss of assets loos of income. Women have choices because they can blackmail men with divorce not the other way around.

09-12-2006 01:13 PM

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There’s just no getting around it: Women are a destructive force. No matter that they can argue and manipulate endlessly. I know that I can debunk the sophistry and faulty thinking of ANY feminist’s talk; I’ve done so consistently. But, the amount of time and energy required to analyze and expose the lies is just beyong the capability of most men – because the females always choose their victim according to his ability to understand what she is doing. Anyone can win an argument if she is allowed to choose her opponent. We “ordinary guys” are stuck in chat rooms, bedrooms, and message boards while the “leaders” of our society are enshrined in corporate think tanks and corporate owned media where the yammering and shouting shows do nothing but keep authentic debate excluded. (If you check out the posts that I have bothered to put up in here, with well reasoned and clear thinking that exposes the feminist lies you well notice that many are never answered by the bimbos. That’s their method: Only argue when you can win or bring to a stalemate). Our alternative is the few “liberal” media outlets, like Pacifica Radio and Air America, that are controlled totally by feminists. Some choice.

I don’t know that there is a solution – a practicable one – that can save us now. There is no way to consider the degradation of American society and the loss of our chances to regain a satisfactory existence without considering the degradation of the world. If you can’t understand the real threat to human survival, then you haven’t been to college classes where they teach real science. My point is that the forces of destruction (corporate fascism and other right wing “business at any cost” interests,) have empowered themselves by using man-hating females to neutralize the men. The men are the only ones who distrust the power of government; females always relate to the most powerful male (government and police) as their protector and dupe, because it isn’t a part of any female’s psychology to admit that she is being used. The concept that the leaders of our disintegrating culture and nation are using the women just will not occur to females until it is too late. When the females realize what has been done they will look for someone to save them, and as we can easily see now, the men have been neutralized and neutered to the point that they are cowed by women and police. You can scarcely find an American man who will stand up to a female in any public forum – the men have been browbeaten into sullen silence by the feminst-government alliance, and no American man dares to confront a woman in the home for fear of prison and destruction. We went to war in Afghanistan to save the women from oppression, and that was a major propaganda point in it all, but you don’t hear the females touting it now – now that the war is a disaster for the women of Afghanistan and has been extended to the destruction of Iraq (and, the rest of the Mid East and South Asia, but you don’t know that unless you have knowledge of nuclear radiation, health physics, military use of U-238, and can think.) The fact that American women were used as a group of idiots to front the corporate war simply is not allowed any discussion. I know.

We’ll be arguing with these idiot females forever while the other nations of the Earth are becoming stronger in relation to the US – nations in which the men and women live more in accord with reality as to the different natures of men and women, countries like Japan, China – virtually everywhere except where you see destruction, like Russia, where the glorious revolution was founded on sex equality. The example of Russia is important because it has shown an evolution of Christian-Jewish society under the nominal rule of sex equality. (Can you hear the feminists raging that the USSR wasn’t “really” an example of equality? Well, duh. Isn’t what I am saying exactly that – that there is no way women will ever dominate the men at the level of leadership? That’s the reason simply put. I speculate that if women ever were able to dominate a society to the point that the women had the real power, it would be worse than anything seen yet, and would be self destructive anyway, and lead right back to a male dominated structure. But why worry about it? It isn’t a reality, and so far such experiments in gender equality have led to the USSR, China’ failed commune system in the 50’s, Cambodia, and the Catholic church. ((Better study “Mariolatry” in Latin America before you start in with the rage against sexism in the church))).

Well, anyway, what I want to emphasize is that there is no use, no point, no good in arguing with females about their role in family and society. It’s just their method of fighting against male dominance, and it’s a pain in the ass when they do it, and it is enormously destructive when evil and sexually perverted males side up with the crazy females to take power and suppress normal men’s options for reasonable and healthy lives. You can surely see that when the tide turns – for whatever reasons – that the same power mad men will be there to lead us into a rebirth of male prominence – if there is still the possibility of life on our poisoned and altered little planet. Shall we talk about the problem of population control? You can’t talk about it here in feminist Ameirca. Do you need THAT one explained to you? What would happen to a politician who tried to talk reality about population control, the fact that Mexican immigration is not actually necessary to liberal philosophy, that the policy makers in the State Department are not really interested in the welfare of Afghanni women? Well, women have about half the electorate, so you take a guess how far up the leadership ladder that politician will get. Not even to the local school board. Good luck men.

09-12-2006 01:15 PM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
acrawfield
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“Wrong again if the wife does not want the man to stay at home and she wants the one to be to stay at home therell be a hell of a fight about it, directly resulting into divorce loss of children loss of assets loos of income. Women have choices because they can blackmail men with divorce not the other way around. ”

that’s why you discuss these issues before you get married… if both people are insistent about staying at home, they probably shouldn’t marry each other.

the whole “blackmailing men with divorce” thing is ridiculous. with the possible exception of gold-diggers, who you should avoid anyway, women don’t want to get divorced either. money doesn’t buy love or companionship.

09-12-2006 01:19 PM

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acrawfield wrote:
so we get yelled at if we want careers, but we also get yelled at if decide not to use our degrees? I guess the only way to win is to sit at home and use your 8th grade education to knit potholders. because, honestly, do women need a high school education to be stay-at-home moms? aren’t we wasting taxpayers money on public high schools as well?

You’re side-stepping the issue and trying to employ sarcasm, most likely because you have difficultly wrapping yourself around the magnitude of the financial numbers that show an impending economic implosion of debt in America, and you simply are searching for any emotional reason why we should continue to pile on the debt. It truly amazes me how $117 trillion seems to women as if it’s nothing, especially if that $117 trillion would affect women’s special treatment and special priviledges in America. I’m beginning to believe that women can’t grapple with the fact that the train of their special treatment and special priviledges in America is coming to the end of the tracks.

FYI, it was commonplace in the 1950’s high school curriculum for young girls to be offered classes teaching them: cooking, sewing, child-rearing, home economics, etc., but that curriculum was thrown out by the feminists who deemed such curriculum as “sexist” even though such curriculum was optional. So much for “choices”.

Also, children shouldn’t be having children, that’s why society has an interest to do everything within its’ power in a free-society to attempt to delay child-bearing for girls until at least age 18. High school education for women is thus a good investment in young girls with the hope that they will be occupied with high school instead of occupied with having babies. It’s not rocket science cupcake.

09-12-2006 01:48 PM

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“It truly amazes me how $117 trillion seems to women as if it’s nothing, especially if that $117 trillion would affect women’s special treatment and special priviledges in America.”

You’re not reading our responses. $117 trillion in debt = bad. But is educating women the reason we are $117 trillion debt? No.

What countries have denied women access to education? Afghanistan, Zambia, Saudi Arabia, to name a few. Would any of you like to move to those countries? Should they serve as models of economic genius? Are they centers of innovation? Hardly.

“High school education for women is thus a good investment in young girls with the hope that they will be occupied with high school instead of occupied with having babies.”

Well why not just lock them up somewhere until they’re 18? Certainly the cost of your average cell is less of a tax burden than a high school education.

Message Edited by dumbbroad on 09-12-2006 02:05 PM

09-12-2006 02:04 PM

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I know for sure somone is going to yell at me but here goes anyway….
I have 2 girls in college (gasp!) but I have encouraged them to think carefully before they do something like go to med school…..because if they take a spot in the highly competetive selection and then later decide to leave medicine to raise a family, they may have just screwed some guy who wants that spot and needs to support a family. Having said that, the way our system works, the slot would still probably go to another female…..but I will tell you that one of my girls decided not to pursue medicine for that reason….she is pretty sure she wants to be a stay at home mom and work from home with her degree…..

There is a balance. I believe in full education for women….but I think they need to think carefully about the implications of their educational choices.

Feminists will call me crazy; chavinists will call me idiotic or something similar. I believe there is a balance……and I am proud of my girls’ intelligence and choices.

09-12-2006 02:13 PM

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acrawfield
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“You’re side-stepping the issue and trying to employ sarcasm, most likely because you have difficultly wrapping yourself around the magnitude of the financial numbers that show an impending economic implosion of debt in America, and you simply are searching for any emotional reason why we should continue to pile on the debt. It truly amazes me how $117 trillion seems to women as if it’s nothing, especially if that $117 trillion would affect women’s special treatment and special priviledges in America. I’m beginning to believe that women can’t grapple with the fact that the train of their special treatment and special priviledges in America is coming to the end of the tracks.

FYI, it was commonplace in the 1950’s high school curriculum for young girls to be offered classes teaching them: cooking, sewing, child-rearing, home economics, etc., but that curriculum was thrown out by the feminists who deemed such curriculum as “sexist” even though such curriculum was optional. So much for “choices”.

Also, children shouldn’t be having children, that’s why society has an interest to do everything within its’ power in a free-society to attempt to delay child-bearing for girls until at least age 18. High school education for women is thus a good investment in young girls with the hope that they will be occupied with high school instead of occupied with having babies. It’s not rocket science cupcake.”

sweetiepie, nobody’s saying $117 trillion isn’t a lot of money, or that we should continue to pile on debt. we’re simply debating the extent to which women’s education is contributing to that problem, and whether it’s a worthwhile endeavor.

I dunno about your high school, but home ec. is still required of all students at mine… although my mother had already taught me everything I learned there anyway.

personally, I don’t think 18-year-olds are mature enough to have babies either, in fact, 22 is kind of pushing it. so I’m all for women staying in school until then.

09-12-2006 02:15 PM

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acrawfield
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acrawfield

“There is a balance. I believe in full education for women….but I think they need to think carefully about the implications of their educational choices.”

I agree completely with this post. I’ve never understood why women would go through all the work and cost of medical school, just to find a doctor to marry and be a stay-at-home mom.

09-12-2006 02:17 PM

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porkchops38
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porkchops38

dumbbroad wrote:

“It truly amazes me how $117 trillion seems to women as if it’s nothing, especially if that $117 trillion would affect women’s special treatment and special priviledges in America.”

You’re not reading our responses. $117 trillion in debt = bad. But is educating women the reason we are $117 trillion debt? No.

What countries have denied women access to education? Afghanistan, Zambia, Saudi Arabia, to name a few. Would any of you like to move to those countries? Should they serve as models of economic genius? Are they centers of innovation? Hardly.

“High school education for women is thus a good investment in young girls with the hope that they will be occupied with high school instead of occupied with having babies.”

Well why not just lock them up somewhere until they’re 18? Certainly the cost of your average cell is less of a tax burden than a high school education.

Message Edited by dumbbroad on 09-12-2006 02:05 PM

You’re talking with absolutely zero logic cupcake.

I already explained to you for the zillionth time, the $117 trillion in debt is growing and it’s not going to stop until we interject some logic here. It’s not logical for taxpayers to go into debt even $1 just so a woman can get a college degree and then 37% to 50% of the time throw that degree into the garbage and just add the bill unto the $117 trillion in debt. The argument is not about whether or not women should be allowed to be educated!!!! The argument is about whether or not taxpayers should continue to be taxed into debt just so women can have the choice to chuck the college degree at a later date. If you think that we should be taxed into debt just so 37% to 50% of college educated women can throw their degree into the garbage — then you are contributing to the mentality that says $117 trillion in debt = good. So, don’t give this lip-service about $117 trillion in debt = bad. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. The only reason why anyone would think that 37% to 50% of women with college degrees should be afforded the choice to chuck their college degrees in the garbage and then send the bill to the taxpayers is from a misandrist point of view, it’s certainly not a logical point of view.

It appears that you took my quote, “High school education for women is thus a good investment in young girls with the hope that they will be occupied with high school instead of occupied with having babies.” out of context. If you will notice, I prefaced that comment with these words, “Also, children shouldn’t be having children, that’s why society has an interest to do everything within its’ power in a free-society to attempt to delay child-bearing for girls until at least age 18.” The key words there being “in a free-society”.

As for your assertion that locking up women until they are 18 would be cheaper than sending them to high school, well it costs about $50,000 per year to incarcerate a prisoner in America today, whereas the average cost to educate a student in the public education system in America is about $9,000 per year K-12. Hopefully, you’re not too mathematically challenged to figure out which of those numbers is more preferable.

09-12-2006 02:22 PM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
porkchops38
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porkchops38
acrawfield said, “personally, I don’t think 18-year-olds are mature enough to have babies either, in fact, 22 is kind of pushing it. so I’m all for women staying in school until then.”

You’re welcome to your opinion, it’s a free-country. However, modern medical science has shown that the best years for female child-bearing is the years 18 to 26. Those are the years that the female body is best equipped for bearing children, after age 26 she goes downhill. Around age 35 she starts going downhill at break-neck speed, and by 42 or so she hits rock bottom. That’s what nature dictates, I’m not one to argue with nature. I know feminists react with glee with modern medicine being able to advance child-bearing years with IVF and sperm banks, but this is all un-chartered territory for mankind, and again these “choices” brought on by modern medicine cost initially tens of thousands of dollars per child. For example, are there any reprecussions that develop when humans are created via eggs that were frozen? We don’t know yet, but we’ll soon find out. I’m of the belief that you don’t mess with nature without suffering reprecussions, and we’ll soon see if mankind has outsmarted nature. I highly doubt so.

I just am perplexed really. I mean I see it as completely assinine to try to fight nature, and in the process fork over tens of thousands of dollars in the process. Why don’t people just wise up and follow nature, and save themselves countless dollars and countless misery and headaches from trying to buck nature? It’s just assinine, really. Maybe men are really from mars and women are really from venus, and if that’s true then any notion of “equality” is merely the con job of a lifetime.

09-12-2006 02:38 PM

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Educating women is obviously a joke. Look at you idiot women trying to reason. It’s laughable. You’re an insult to any man’s intelligence. That why you idiot women always have to say “I am TOO smart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” (anatomically correct punctuation) .. or “Girls rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!” How ridiculous is that? It’s pretty telling that idiot women constantly need to reaffirm this self-deluded philosophy through mantras, horoscopes, bumperstickers, women’s studies classes, tv commercials, etc.

Guys don’t go around yelling “Boys rule!!!!!!!!!!” because we already know our capacity is superior. We don’t have to insecurely prove it to dumb biitches.

Women today sound just like little kids who yell to grownups, “MOMMY I CAN DO IT!!! I CAN DRIVE.. PLEASE LET ME DRIVE!!!!!!!!! I AM GROWN UP I CAN DO IT!!! HONEST INJUN!!!”

Yeah sure sweety *pat on the head*.. Men have to constantly coddle your idiocy just to placate your tantrums.

Educating a woman should consist of teaching her how to cook and clean and take care of a house. Dumb biitches can’t even do that right. What good are these idiot women in the workforce. They are a pollution to the workforce. They bring productivity down not up. These idiot women are responsible for the walk-on-eggshells environment in any workplace today. How productive can you be with some dumb biitch wagging her finger at you over your shoulder all day long.

These pussified men in govt. need to wake up and smell the venti caramel frappaccio skim milk macchiato.. If women want to work, we should build a separate playground for them to dress up and pretend like playing house in elementary school. There they can imagine they are celebrity moms and rocket scientists without actually hurting anyone but their own imaginations.

09-12-2006 02:41 PM

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I think it’s silly to try and have children when you’re in your 40s as well. while I don’t really want children anytime soon, I do recognize that I’d better start by the time I’m in my early 30s if I want more than one.

however, just because your body is ready for it at 18 doesn’t mean you’re mature enough to handle it. perhaps this is more a problem of modern society, but none of the girls I knew at age 18, myself included, were at all ready to handle the responsibility of a child.

09-12-2006 02:41 PM

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dumbbroad
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“The argument is about whether or not taxpayers should continue to be taxed into debt just so women can have the choice to chuck the college degree at a later date.”

But you write as though men don’t also have this option. You can’t tell me that every single man who has ever earned a college degree has used that degree in future endeavors.

09-12-2006 02:56 PM

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porkchops38
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acrawfield wrote:
I think it’s silly to try and have children when you’re in your 40s as well. while I don’t really want children anytime soon, I do recognize that I’d better start by the time I’m in my early 30s if I want more than one.

however, just because your body is ready for it at 18 doesn’t mean you’re mature enough to handle it. perhaps this is more a problem of modern society, but none of the girls I knew at age 18, myself included, were at all ready to handle the responsibility of a child.

If that’s what you believe, then it seems to me that you might have some logical questions that follow, such as:

1) Ask God why he intended you by nature to be best equipped to be a mother from age 18 to 26?

2) Ask yourself why you were not ready to be a mother emotionally at age 18?

3) Ask your society (teachers, parents, media propaganda, etc.)why you were not ready to be a mother emotionally at age 18?

I’m sure at least one of those 3 has the truth, heh? If i’m not mistaken, bible scholars say Mary bore the Son of God when she was about 15, so I figure that if 15 was good enough for the Son of God, then 18 should be a piece of cake for a regular baby?

09-12-2006 02:58 PM

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tellafriend
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acrawfield wrote:
I think it’s silly to try and have children when you’re in your 40s as well. while I don’t really want children anytime soon, I do recognize that I’d better start by the time I’m in my early 30s if I want more than one.

however, just because your body is ready for it at 18 doesn’t mean you’re mature enough to handle it. perhaps this is more a problem of modern society, but none of the girls I knew at age 18, myself included, were at all ready to handle the responsibility of a child.

Idiot, why do you think that is?.. You’re not even mature enough at 30 to raise a child. You’re a moron. You can barely figure out why feminazis might be a problem. It’s no stretch to realize you’re too stupid to care for a child. You don’t have the right education.

This is where our education dollars should go, teaching dumb biitches like you how to cook and clean and take care of kids, not how to have your cake and eat it too. The society raises you idiot women to rely on yourselves. That’s like teaching a kid to rely on his own judgment when it comes to a dinner decision. You’ve been eating chocolate cake for the past 30 years straight and you can’t figure out why you have a belly ache, you efffing moron? This is what happens when we let CHILDREN think for themselves. You are too STUPID to be in charge of yourselves. You’re too DUMB to know what’s good for you. The destruction of society has pretty much proven that fact. Women listening to themselves = pure idiocy = utter chaos. Women being in subjection to men = functional society. Ie. if you stupid whiny biitches stopped looking at your so-called lack of rights/privileges and starting concentrating on the benefits you receive as children, you wouldn’t be yapping like incoherent morons.

You’re like little children complaining they can’t drive the car because daddy wont’ let them. They can’t cross the street because daddy said NO. They can’t stay out past 9pm because daddy said there’s a curfew. Then you stamp your little feet and pout that YOU DESERVE TO BE A GROWNUP TOO!!!!!!! YOU WANNA !!! YOU WANNA!!! YOU WANNA!!!! WAHHHHHH!!!!

What you dumb bitches don’t realize is that the RESPONSIBILITY of your welfare falls on DADDY. The PRIVILEGE you get is not having to work. The RESPONSIBILITY for your food, clothing, shelter and happiness falls on DADDY’S shoulders. Because as cliched as common sense sounds to you dumb biitch, DADDY KNOWS BEST. YOU DON’T. You’ve proven how incompetent you are in taking care of yourselves. When you give the responsibility over to daddy, and stop whining about what you don’t get to do and start being thankful for the benefits you reap without having the responsibilty put on your shoulders, you’ll be happy little women not angry bitter man-hating biitches.

09-12-2006 03:01 PM

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” figure that if 15 was good enough for the Son of God, then 18 should be a piece of cake for a regular baby?”

Right … but if you made it age 40 back then, you were considered rather elderly.

09-12-2006 03:03 PM

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porkchops38
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dumbbroad wrote:

“The argument is about whether or not taxpayers should continue to be taxed into debt just so women can have the choice to chuck the college degree at a later date.”

But you write as though men don’t also have this option. You can’t tell me that every single man who has ever earned a college degree has used that degree in future endeavors.

This point was already covered cupcake, but nonetheless, it boils down to 37% to 50% of women chuck their college degrees to be SAHM’s whereas about 2% of men do likewise. I know it might be difficult for your mind to grasp the huge difference in those numbers (1800% to 2500% greater), but if you try real hard and concentrate I think it should sink in eventually, let’s hope so, for the sake of the republic since you’re probably an eligible voter.

09-12-2006 03:05 PM

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dumbbroad
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“This point was already covered cupcake, but nonetheless, it boils down to 37% to 50% of women chuck their college degrees to be SAHM’s whereas about 2% of men do likewise. I know it might be difficult for your mind to grasp the huge difference in those numbers (1800% to 2500% greater), but if you try real hard and concentrate I think it should sink in eventually, let’s hope so, for the sake of the republic since you’re probably an eligible voter.”

but i’m not talking solely about stay at home fathers, which i assume is the 2% you’re quoting. i’m talking about ANYONE who pursues a degree and does not “use” it. your argument is that earning a degree that is not used is a waste of our tax dollars, yes? so if someone gets a degree in engineering, but ends up doing something unrelated – like opening a bed and breakfast, doing PR or being a mother/father – technically, they are “wasting” that degree because they are not an engineer, yes?

clearly, there are men and women who have earned degrees in something, but pursued other avenues. that does not mean that any investment in their educations have been a total waste.

09-12-2006 03:14 PM

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porkchops38
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porkchops38

dumbbroad wrote:
“This point was already covered cupcake, but nonetheless, it boils down to 37% to 50% of women chuck their college degrees to be SAHM’s whereas about 2% of men do likewise. I know it might be difficult for your mind to grasp the huge difference in those numbers (1800% to 2500% greater), but if you try real hard and concentrate I think it should sink in eventually, let’s hope so, for the sake of the republic since you’re probably an eligible voter.”

but i’m not talking solely about stay at home fathers, which i assume is the 2% you’re quoting. i’m talking about ANYONE who pursues a degree and does not “use” it. your argument is that earning a degree that is not used is a waste of our tax dollars, yes? so if someone gets a degree in engineering, but ends up doing something unrelated – like opening a bed and breakfast, doing PR or being a mother/father – technically, they are “wasting” that degree because they are not an engineer, yes?

clearly, there are men and women who have earned degrees in something, but pursued other avenues. that does not mean that any investment in their educations have been a total waste.

Well the reason why we logically compare %’s of SAHM’s vs. SAHD’s is simply because those endeavors do not create taxable income. If a man chucks his college degree in engineering for another job that’s non-engineering related, he still ends up choosing another job that creates taxable income, so the taxpayers still end up getting their money back, whereas the taxpayers get shafted by 37% to 50% of SAHM’s who chuck their degrees to be SAHM’s. This isn’t rocket science cupcake.

09-12-2006 03:29 PM

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“1) Ask God why he intended you by nature to be best equipped to be a mother from age 18 to 26?

2) Ask yourself why you were not ready to be a mother emotionally at age 18?

3) Ask your society (teachers, parents, media propaganda, etc.)why you were not ready to be a mother emotionally at age 18?

I’m sure at least one of those 3 has the truth, heh? If i’m not mistaken, bible scholars say Mary bore the Son of God when she was about 15, so I figure that if 15 was good enough for the Son of God, then 18 should be a piece of cake for a regular baby?”

1) yeah, god and I talked about it at length, actually. I think he mentioned something about humans being so fertile at a young age because their lifespans were considerably shorter than they are now. either way, he told me if I wanted to wait until I met the right guy and finished graduate school to get knocked up, it was cool with him.

2) because I still had 10 years of school ahead of me, didn’t like children, and hadn’t met a guy I wanted to marry.

3) see #2. something about having more important priorities (at the time) than getting married and having babies.

09-12-2006 03:44 PM

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“Well the reason why we logically compare %’s of SAHM’s vs. SAHD’s is simply because those endeavors do not create taxable income. If a man chucks his college degree in engineering for another job that’s non-engineering related, he still ends up choosing another job that creates taxable income, so the taxpayers still end up getting their money back, whereas the taxpayers get shafted by 37% to 50% of SAHM’s who chuck their degrees to be SAHM’s.”

you’re not taking into consideration that 1) some SAHMs don’t stay at home forever, and end up using their degrees at some point, 2) many SAHMs work from home or have home business, thus generating income, and 3) if a guy chucks his engineering degree for a job he could’ve gotten with no degree at all,  his education was still a waste of money, yes?

09-12-2006 03:46 PM

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tellafriend
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It seems that another announcement is in order for stupid bitches who can’t seem to grasp the concept of “GENERALLY” VS. “ALLLLLLLLLLLLL”

When we speak about women, we’re not talking about each and every individual case, something you idiot women can’t seem to grasp. And we’re not talking about the exceptions to the rule, something you idiot women also can’t seem to grasp.

So for you idiot women who don’t know the difference: locate a dictionary and have a man explain it to you.

09-12-2006 04:30 PM

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Thank you for clarifying that, tellafriend. I do have a couple of questions – just out of curiousity. I don’t know if, in your opinion, that makes me a dumb female or not…but here goes….
What has happened to all those women you have been training?
Do you think women should be secretaries and nurses or should those be men’s careers too? What about teachers, flight attendants and receptionists? Are women who work in those positions “career women” or are they in their proper roles?

09-12-2006 05:00 PM

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acrawfield
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seriously, don’t bother replying to him. I don’t even read his posts anymore. he’ll just call you a dumb biitch and tell you to “bake up some brain cells”… blah blah blah. if you’re gonna be a troll, at least come up with some new material.

09-12-2006 05:13 PM

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More logical fallaciousness.

If a man chucks his college degree in engineering for another job that’s non-engineering related, he still ends up choosing another job that creates taxable income.

3) if a guy chucks his engineering degree for a job he could’ve gotten with no degree at all…

The second statement is not related to the first.

In the first scenario, the man with a college degree in engineering gets another job that is non-engineer related.

NOT a job that is non-college degree related.

Thus his education was NOT a waste of money.

You all make this too easy.

09-12-2006 05:40 PM

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acrawfield
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“In the first scenario, the man with a college degree in engineering gets another job that is non-engineer related.

NOT a job that is non-college degree related.”

it could be either. depends on the job. obviously.

09-12-2006 05:43 PM

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porkchops38
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acrawfield wrote:

you’re not taking into consideration that 1) some SAHMs don’t stay at home forever, and end up using their degrees at some point, 2) many SAHMs work from home or have home business, thus generating income, and 3) if a guy chucks his engineering degree for a job he could’ve gotten with no degree at all,  his education was still a waste of money, yes?

1)It takes 6 years from the time of birth to kindergarten, that’s 6 years of essentially what is a full time pre-occupation. The current rate of technological advancement, a person who checks-out of the workforce for 6+ years would need to be completely re-trained, at least technologically, not to mention all the networking contacts that could not be maintained on the same level for 6+ years. A college degree doesn’t change those facts.

2) insignificant % and insignificant taxable income

3) No, his degree would not be a waste of TAXPAYER’s money because he is still paying taxes on his income unlike the SAHM who is paying little or no taxes by being a SAHM. The only waste of money would that such a guy would be wasting HIS money, the state still gets their money back when he pays taxes on his income. Most guys don’t generally chose jobs that pay less than their current jobs, usually they are forced into such position due to layoffs or cutbacks.

It seem to me your just grasping at straws, not willing to give up on the illogical concept that women should be free to make choices that realistically men could never make. That’s called special treatment and special priviledges only for one gender, women, while taxpayers get shafted with the bill. That’s called institutionalized misandry, and it has helped rack up a bill of $117 trillion and growing.

09-12-2006 05:53 PM

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Hey do all you males tell the significant women in your life, if you have any, that they should not go to college because their role is to make babies, keep house and cook?    Do you tell your son that he will be going to college but not his sister because she doesn’t need it?  She will find a husband that will pay all her bills.  What if she does not?  Do my tax dollars have to pay for her?

I have never seen so much hate for women.  The males (and others) who speak about women like this must be really trying hard to compensate for the areas in their life (and perhaps their bodies – ha) where they are lacking.

Again – with guys like you – feminisim will be strong – most women believe, and many men believe that equal opportunity should be the norm.

And – call me all the names you want…..I believe that transports you back to the playground, where you feel powerless, you can’t feel superior, because you really aren’t superior, and for whatever reason, you cannot deal with the fact that you don’t own the world – so what do you resort to – NAME calling.  Oh, that’s such a big boy….

09-12-2006 06:21 PM

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porkchops38
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OneSmartChick wrote:
Hey do all you males tell the significant women in your life, if you have any, that they should not go to college because their role is to make babies, keep house and cook?    Do you tell your son that he will be going to college but not his sister because she doesn’t need it?  She will find a husband that will pay all her bills.  What if she does not?  Do my tax dollars have to pay for her?

I have never seen so much hate for women.  The males (and others) who speak about women like this must be really trying hard to compensate for the areas in their life (and perhaps their bodies – ha) where they are lacking.

Again – with guys like you – feminisim will be strong – most women believe, and many men believe that equal opportunity should be the norm.

And – call me all the names you want…..I believe that transports you back to the playground, where you feel powerless, you can’t feel superior, because you really aren’t superior, and for whatever reason, you cannot deal with the fact that you don’t own the world – so what do you resort to – NAME calling.  Oh, that’s such a big boy….

Women should be free to choose whatever course in life they so desire to take, but not if such requires the government to come in and institutionalize misandry. Get the government out of the business of social engineering with special treatment and special priviledges only for women, then come and chat with me about your childish rants of female power and male weakness. Until then, you’re just a deluded “useful idiot” to your slave masters at the top who pull your strings like a little puppet, while you and your children follow like mind-numbed robots.

09-12-2006 06:35 PM

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tellafriend
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merrylaff wrote:
Thank you for clarifying that, tellafriend. I do have a couple of questions – just out of curiousity. I don’t know if, in your opinion, that makes me a dumb female or not…but here goes….
What has happened to all those women you have been training?
Do you think women should be secretaries and nurses or should those be men’s careers too? What about teachers, flight attendants and receptionists? Are women who work in those positions “career women” or are they in their proper roles?

You having a question doesn’t make you a dumb female. You’re a dumb female to BEGIN WITH–ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT IMPORTANT POINT. Tattoo it on your forehead if necessary.

As far as the women I’ve been training, they are the ones who are most attractive because they understand what men are attracted to. They are the ones that men respond to with genuine interest. I hit all the important aspects of a real woman for a reason. Women who are dissatisfied with the feminazi mentality obviously respond to training. They NEED a man to say “no” to them because so many pussified men are too busy saying yes to their childishness. They have no idea why they’re unsatisfied because, again, they’re children–they don’t know any better. But they do have an innate sense that recognizes and responds to proper parenting. And real men are actually proper parents because they keep their women in check. They realize that apart from men, women will continue to spout idiocy and become contemptuous spoiled brats like most of today’s women, unable to hear anything but the sound of their own whining (refer to any woman on this board.)

Once these women are properly trained, then they are the envy of other women who just don’t get it. It’s just like a happy housewife who is sneered at by contemporary feminists for being so happy with her life. She should be angry and bitter like them. They feel something is wrong if she’s not angry and bitter.

These women are reasonable women and therefore they are a breath of fresh air to any man. Men are used to dealing with idiots like crawfish and that other dumb biitch all day long. They endure these morons, letting their nonsense go in one ear and out the other. A woman who listens to a man is a breath of fresh air. She is a treasure to any man. And that’s why men value her and run from fugly old cat ladies like that biitch up above. They’ll be busy competing with men for the rest of their lives will spooning down a pint of Hagen Daaz as they pet their 200 cats and watch reruns of Sex in the City. They are laughing at men on tv. But the real joke is on them. They are their own worst parody come true.

Now as far as “female” roles, they should not be in any physically demanding professions. Men are stronger than women for a reason. Females make lousy cops and firefighters. Ask any men in these professions for horror stories about standards being lowered just to accomodate females so their self-esteem doesn’t crumble. At the cost of peoples’ lives. Such selfish biitches. Their self-esteem is worth more than some poor guy’s life trapped in a burning building.

Women should also be barred from professions that requires the administration of authority over other males because females are not equipped to handle that type of authority. Whenever you put a woman in charge, there is total chaos as we can clearly see today. Children are not in a position to tell adults what to do. Neither are women in a position to tell men what to do. A woman who is UNDER the proper governing authority of a MAN, be it in politics or in a relationship, is qualified to administer authority downward, under the BOUNDARIES of that delegated authority. Eg. Females can tell male children to behave or do chores, etc. But this is with the understanding that they are already properly placed under a male authority delegating such actions, in this case the father.

Females may teach other males, but only as a repetition of what men have ALREADY said, not as a point of interpretation of information without it first being sifted through a male’s hands. Otherwise you end up with a situation like we have on this free for all forum where idiot women are deluding themselves into thinking they are handing out new arguments when in reality they’re just playing the typical cliched idiot woman exercising the typical cliched idiot woman arguments that have been answered a billion times over.

So yes, females can have occupations outside the home, but these should be confined to roles that fit their FUNCTION, not their aspirations. Because female aspirations without male restriction amount to a child’s aspiration for a chocolate sundae for dinner each night without realizing what harm it will do down the line if she actually gets what she wants. Women have gotten what they’ve wanted for years, a tummy ache called feminism.

It’s time to put the adults back in charge aka “MEN”.

Female occupations should follow the same suit of a woman’s function– to COMPLEMENT a man, not to compete with a man. Not to usurp a man’s authority.

During abnormal situations, sometimes a female is called in to fulfill a male role. But even these females should be in proper submission to a male counterpart or a male authority figure. They should not presume that just because they are put in a position of authority that this is their natural function. It should be temporary at best.

The educational system is a special problem because feminism has screwed up our children so badly that a special assignment of male teachers will be necessary to undo all the damage that female teachers have done. Once that system is in proper working order, THEN we can reinstitute female teachers, again, following the guidelines stated above. Teaching WITHOUT interpretation. I.e. if you plan on having a bright revolutionary thought, CHECK with a male FIRST. In most cases, it will be childish in nature and need restriction rather than accomodation as already proven on this board.

09-12-2006 07:05 PM

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3rdworldwm
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porkchops38 wrote:

3rdworldwm wrote:

porkchops38 wrote:
AMerica already has a massive child support system (federal, state, local) which essentially financially castrates men the more children they have. If that massive child support system can’t make the man pay for his progeny, it could only be because such a man is a nomad running from place to place to escape the clutches of the system, and if any woman gets pregnant from such a nomadic man, it’s kind of a no-brainer who is massively stupid in that situation.

I agree with you 100% that those women are stupid. But the question here is not who is stupid, the question is should such men be physically castrated?

It seems like you already answered your own question… unless you believe we should castrate men for women’s stupidity?

That is a twisted logic. We should castrate men for their irresponsibility. Those stupid women and their babies are the victims. Stupidity is not the cause, it is the weakness being took advantage of.  So, with your logic, we should punish the victims who being tricked and robbed by crocks and rubbers instead of put the crocks and rubbers in jail? I believe any man who fathers more than two babies with no intention to support should be castrated and the same token any women who put more than two children on warfare should be fixed too – both should not allow to have babies if they cant support them.

don’t know why I am wasting time here with men thinks like you. Luckily I don’t know anyone in real life even think close the way you guys think on this board.

09-12-2006 07:08 PM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
tellafriend
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tellafriend

acrawfield wrote:
seriously, don’t bother replying to him. I don’t even read his posts anymore. he’ll just call you a dumb biitch and tell you to “bake up some brain cells”… blah blah blah. if you’re gonna be a troll, at least come up with some new material.

Ahhh a perfect example of the dumb bitch mentality. Thank you, Dumb Biitch, for providing it!

Men on here are aware that we can think for ourselves. You don’t see us advising each other regarding how to respond to each other based upon how we feel about someone. Yet we see dumb biitches like you all day long trying to apply the herd mentality eg. “Don’t listen to him, don’t pay attention to him! He’s MEAAAAAAN TO MEEEEEEEE!!! WAHHHHHHH!!!!” etc. You have experience with this because when you were younger (pre-40s) you were obviously a fugly c0ckblocker, a short pudgy angry leprechuan with a chip on your shoulder who was angry that her hotter female friends got all the attention, so you badmouthed the guy she’s talking to or you pull your hot friend away from him. We see this all the time in the field. But that’s why we have “wingmen” . Their job is to distract you fugly fat c0ckblockers. How? HAHAHAH This is the HILARIOUS PART! By feeding into your delusional state. We COMPLIMENT YOU!

See, a fat short deluded fugly biitch like you is so desperate for attention that she’ll believe ANYTHING you tell her. Hell, she already believes she’s hot in her own mind at 300lbs. plus. So it’s no stretch of the imagination to tell her she looks “cute” or wears “hot outfits”. So while you’re busy buying into this delusion that the wing is feeding you, I’m busy talking to the REAL target–the hot chick.

Men don’t go pee pee in groups, we don’t need to tell each other how to think about other people based solely on how we feel about them. And we don’t buy into the same delusional self-affirmations that you fugly fatties tell yourself all day long.
Enjoy your bitterness you fugly hag Your herd mentality may pass for genius in your own head, but thankfully not in real life.

And again, this Dumb Biitch keeps talking about “new material” as if her incoherent nonsense is something NOVEL. Hey DUMB BIITCH, we hear the same ridiculous cliched nonsense out of you raging fat fugly feminists on a daily basis. Why do you think we can tear down your silly childish arguments so easily. We even have contingency plans set up for you fugly CB’s in the field.

You have selective hearing. You never can hear the truth. You repeat the same tired cliches over and over and over. This is called “nagging” you dumb biitch. At least the men on here are willing to humor your idiocy. You should be thankful you get that much. We would refer to YOU as a troll, but you’re too efffing stupid to even realize that your idiocy is a default setting that men must deal with on a daily basis.
…….Btw, did I ever tell you how HOT you are ! LOL

09-12-2006 07:14 PM

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3rdworldwm wrote:

porkchops38 wrote:

3rdworldwm wrote:

porkchops38 wrote:
AMerica already has a massive child support system (federal, state, local) which essentially financially castrates men the more children they have. If that massive child support system can’t make the man pay for his progeny, it could only be because such a man is a nomad running from place to place to escape the clutches of the system, and if any woman gets pregnant from such a nomadic man, it’s kind of a no-brainer who is massively stupid in that situation.

I agree with you 100% that those women are stupid. But the question here is not who is stupid, the question is should such men be physically castrated?

It seems like you already answered your own question… unless you believe we should castrate men for women’s stupidity?

That is a twisted logic. We should castrate men for their irresponsibility. Those stupid women and their babies are the victims. Stupidity is not the cause, it is the weakness being took advantage of.  So, with your logic, we should punish the victims who being tricked and robbed by crocks and rubbers instead of put the crocks and rubbers in jail? I believe any man who fathers more than two babies with no intention to support should be castrated and the same token any women who put more than two children on warfare should be fixed too – both should not allow to have babies if they cant support them.

don’t know why I am wasting time here with men thinks like you. Luckily I don’t know anyone in real life even think close the way you guys think on this board.

THe last I checked, there are no laws that protect stupid people from their own stupidity. I know women who paid full-sticker price for brand new cars because they were too stupid to know any better. If you want laws to protect women from their own stupidity, that kind of says a lot about you and it says a lot about how smart you think women in general really are.

09-12-2006 08:00 PM

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OneSmartChick
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What planet are you on?

I work with female vice presidents and female managers all the time.  They don’t need a man to tell them what to do or are the necessarily under the authority of a man.  I lived alone until I got married, climbing the corporate ladder – and never needed a man to tell me what to do.  Moving along in my career I found both men and women that offered advice in advancing in my career.

Your blanket statements that women are so stupid they need to be under the authority of a man is sexist and is as bad as the man hating verbiage coming from the feminists.  When you spout hatred toward women, calling them the stupid gender – you make yourself look idiotic.  Like a little child in the playground yelling “You are stupid” because the child feels out of control and insignificant.

Intelligence and ability to handle authority and responsibility are not gender specific.   An intelligent person knows sterotyping is foolhardy.  Your put downs of women are the work of a bitter man.  Please invest some time to find out why you are so bitter – your attitude must transfer to the way you relate with women in the workplace.  People like you get fired or are avoided.   Are you married?  Do you treat other significant women in your life as if they are under your authority?   You need help.

09-12-2006 10:49 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

OneSmartChick wrote:
What planet are you on?

I work with female vice presidents and female managers all the time.  They don’t need a man to tell them what to do or are the necessarily under the authority of a man.  I lived alone until I got married, climbing the corporate ladder – and never needed a man to tell me what to do.  Moving along in my career I found both men and women that offered advice in advancing in my career.

Your blanket statements that women are so stupid they need to be under the authority of a man is sexist and is as bad as the man hating verbiage coming from the feminists.  When you spout hatred toward women, calling them the stupid gender – you make yourself look idiotic.  Like a little child in the playground yelling “You are stupid” because the child feels out of control and insignificant.

Intelligence and ability to handle authority and responsibility are not gender specific.   An intelligent person knows sterotyping is foolhardy.  Your put downs of women are the work of a bitter man.  Please invest some time to find out why you are so bitter – your attitude must transfer to the way you relate with women in the workplace.  People like you get fired or are avoided.   Are you married?  Do you treat other significant women in your life as if they are under your authority?   You need help.

You acceled on your own. Great. Good for you. Too bad career women arent marriage material.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-12-2006 11:06 PM

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OneSmartChick
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Because I have a career, I am not marriage material?  I am married, we are very happy  –  he pursued me, in part, because I was able to stand on my own two feet.   He wanted a partner – not a child.  Of course, he also feels I am very sweet and kind.  He treats me like a queen and I treat him like a king.    If one of us chooses to stay home while our children are young – does not impact any of the above – we are partners – through thick and thin.

If you decided to sterotype all females with careers as not marriage material – you might miss out finding someone wonderful.  You are ignoring a significant amount of quality women and you walk around with a chip on your shoulder that is attractive to no one.

09-12-2006 11:16 PM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
Termi0n
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Termi0n

OneSmartChick wrote:
Because I have a career, I am not marriage material?  I am married, we are very happy  –  he pursued me, in part, because I was able to stand on my own two feet.   He wanted a partner – not a child.  Of course, he also feels I am very sweet and kind.  He treats me like a queen and I treat him like a king.    If one of us chooses to stay home while our children are young – does not impact any of the above – we are partners – through thick and thin.

If you decided to sterotype all females with careers as not marriage material – you might miss out finding someone wonderful.  You are ignoring a significant amount of quality women and you walk around with a chip on your shoulder that is attractive to no one.

Thick and thin huh. So if he lost his job and had no choice but to work in a job for a lot less than you make, you’d stick with him? If he was crippled and couldnt work at all, you wouldnt divorce him?

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-12-2006 11:25 PM

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toadman
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No little crumb-crunchers yet I can tell.

09-13-2006 02:20 AM

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HappyMom
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OneSmartChick wrote:
Hey do all you males tell the significant women in your life, if you have any, that they should not go to college because their role is to make babies, keep house and cook?    Do you tell your son that he will be going to college but not his sister because she doesn’t need it?  She will find a husband that will pay all her bills.  What if she does not?  Do my tax dollars have to pay for her?

I have never seen so much hate for women.  The males (and others) who speak about women like this must be really trying hard to compensate for the areas in their life (and perhaps their bodies – ha) where they are lacking.

Again – with guys like you – feminisim will be strong – most women believe, and many men believe that equal opportunity should be the norm.

And – call me all the names you want…..I believe that transports you back to the playground, where you feel powerless, you can’t feel superior, because you really aren’t superior, and for whatever reason, you cannot deal with the fact that you don’t own the world – so what do you resort to – NAME calling.  Oh, that’s such a big boy….

You’ve got some fat nerve acting like these guys are the problem. You and your ilk unleashed this monster, uncorked the genie bottle and now it can’t go back in.

What do you think as you stand by and watch our society crumble to its very foundation? America has become a nation of lazy, gluttonous, self-serving perverts. It used to be a nation of God-fearing, hard working family oriented people. That is how we came to have the level of creature comforts that we can enjoy today. Not from someone sitting around bored thinking up new problems to complain about and new laws we can pass to restrict people from ever causing them problems.

What has feminism done for this nation? Created generations of fatherless children who have been taught to pursue self-fulfillment at any cost.

A few of these guys are probably angry becuase they would very much like to have families and they feel they have been cheated out of the ability with the security that the effort they put in will be worth it. They may also be unhappy about the fact that these ill disciplined louts will probably be the leaders of tomorrow. Scary stuff indeed.

09-13-2006 02:27 AM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
tellafriend
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tellafriend

OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:
What planet are you on?

ARF! ARF! ARF! ARF ! ARF! GRRRRRRRR! ARF! ARF! ARF!

Here we have another perfect example of a STUPID BIITCH who is TOO DUMB to grasp the point.

This feminazi clown is just a yapping monkey typing away like a moron.

Here’s a stick you dumb biitch.

now FETCH BIITCH!

And they wonder why the phrase “dumb biitch” was invented LOL

Message Edited by tellafriend on 09-13-2006 03:09 AM

09-13-2006 03:06 AM

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tellafriend
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tellafriend

OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:
Hey do all you males tell the significant women in your life, if you have any, that they should not go to college because their role is to make babies, keep house and cook?    Do you tell your son that he will be going to college but not his sister because she doesn’t need it?  She will find a husband that will pay all her bills.  What if she does not?  Do my tax dollars have to pay for her?

You stupid fugly old hag, we’re talking about women that look hot not your fugly washed up 50 yr. old menopause ravaged ass. If i had to watch you comb your mustache over dinner, I’d puke my food up. Do i really want to see your crows feet or watch your saggy spare tire belly flop out when you take off your feminazi powersuit? I would have to gouge my eyes out from sheer terror.

Why is it that FUGLY FAT NASTY OLD HAGS like this dumb biitch see fit to advise me on what they should want in a woman. IT’S NOT YOU, YOU FUGLY BIITCH. GO BACK TO THE POUND WHERE YOU BELONG.

Men are interested in hot chicks that know their role, that know how to act like women, not raging fugly dyykes on steroids.

The chip on your shoulder may be sexy to your softball team, but to real men, you’re just disgusting.. You constant **bleep** envy makes a guy’s skin crawl.

09-13-2006 03:17 AM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
khankrumthebulg
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tellafriend please tone down the insults. It is not adding to the exchange of ideas or content. What is truly disappointing on this entire Board is the response and insults by so many Career Women. One Woman posted some interesting and thought provoking questions. One. The truth is that so many Career Women have what Fred Reed refers to as the “Chip On The Shoulder”. An attitude that Men are animals, who should be controlled. My Sister is a Feminist. She sent me an email when I mentioned the fact that American Women have forgotten the Titanic Memorial. The fact is overlooked in James Cameron’s movie “Titanic” is the story of Men willingly sacrificing themselves for Women and Children.

Over 80% of those who died in the Diaster were Men. Whose Christian Faith caused them to make a willfull and willing Sacrifice for their lives. The so called “Patriarchy” has always exacted a heavy price from Men. And no gratitude from Modern Women. How many Working Class Men died building the Golden Gate Bridge? Again Women take for granted these things built themselves. My Sister sent me an email. She wrote that “Men are violent Sexual Animals”. This is the mindset of Modern Feminists. And why Straight Men are repelled by the attitudes or our Women.

While Career Women here compare Men to the Taliban with insults. I see Women unfit to be Wives. Lacking in charm, kindness,empathy,nuturing, vulnerability, decency. But full of the repellant Entitlement Mentality. How’s that working for you in finding a Husband???

For the first time I can remember significant numbers of pissed off Men showed up ready to engage in verbal battle. The typical Feminist tactics of shaming, insults, and verbal bile fell on deaf ears. Worse yet is how Bigotted American Career Women are. How they insult Foreign Women whose lives are devoid of the Safety Nets, entitlements, Government subsidies their American Sisters enjoy. Many of these Women know true and real oppression. Yet display none of the hatred of Men of their American Sisters.

What the reactions by Women on this board has done is to energize the Mens Movement in this country. Men are for the first time starting in significant numbers to express themselves. Even the major US Media outlets took note for the first time. The Debate will continue and the chorus of male voices will become a Roar soon. Enjoy your time while it last Ladies. Bridget Jones diary.

09-13-2006 11:07 AM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
khankrumthebulg, there’s an explanation for the phenomenon you cite regarding female unhappiness. It’s called runaway sex selection in action:

“…the concept of runaway sexual selection attracted more interest because it sounded much stranger. In fact, it was so strange that Thomas Hunt Morgan had first aired the idea in 1903 as a counter argument against sexual selection. Morgan asked what would happen if female birds had a tendency to prefer plumage slightly brighter than the males of their species currently possess. He realized that the males would evolve brighter plumage under the pressure of female choice, but that the females would still not be satisfied. They would just move the goal posts, demanding still more extreme ornamentation.” – Geoffrey Miller in “The Mating Mind” (emphasis mine)

The typical male response to such a situation is just to ask “what the hell do those birdbrains want anyway?”, followed by a realization that they are unhappy by nature and that nothing one does will change that (i.e., they have to change themselves). In such knowledge lies happiness.

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“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

09-13-2006 11:36 AM

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dumbbroad
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“It used to be a nation of God-fearing, hard working family oriented people.”

Every generation has their problems. People are just much more willing to talk about things now rather than sweeping it under the rug and technological innovation makes it much easier to people to get their hands on information and keep people in the know. Greasers and rock ‘n’ rollers in the 50’s, hippies in the 60’s, disco kids in the 70’s, yuppie coke fiends in the 80’s – people have always had something to complain about or point to when they think society is going to hell in a hand basket. The notion that the U.S. was this Leave it to Beaver utopia until women demanded a bit more equality is misguided and insulting.

09-13-2006 11:41 AM

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dumbbroad
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“Thick and thin huh. So if he lost his job and had no choice but to work in a job for a lot less than you make, you’d stick with him? If he was crippled and couldnt work at all, you wouldnt divorce him?”

Um, no. That is part of the deal when you get married. Sickness and health, good times and bad. When you love someone, you don’t just ditch them because they’ve fallen on hard times. Do you honestly think that most people would?

09-13-2006 11:43 AM

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porkchops38
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Most people do get divorced currently, 50% to 60% for first marriages, around 80% for 2nd trips to the altar. 70% of those divorces are initiated by the wife.

09-13-2006 11:59 AM

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dumbbroad
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dumbbroad

I don’t doubt that the divorce rate is high, but I would hope that women are not so callous that they would immediately consider divorce if her husband lost his job or was injured – just as i would hope a man would not do that to his wife.

09-13-2006 12:04 PM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
Termi0n
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Termi0n

dumbbroad wrote:

“Thick and thin huh. So if he lost his job and had no choice but to work in a job for a lot less than you make, you’d stick with him? If he was crippled and couldnt work at all, you wouldnt divorce him?”

Um, no. That is part of the deal when you get married. Sickness and health, good times and bad. When you love someone, you don’t just ditch them because they’ve fallen on hard times. Do you honestly think that most people would?

Most career women would. Nice try.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-13-2006 12:08 PM

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dumbbroad
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dumbbroad

“Most career women would. Nice try”

I’m a “career woman” and I wouldn’t.

09-13-2006 12:10 PM

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HappyMom
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HappyMom
Unbelievable

If someone drew the lines to connect the dots for you, would see the picture then?

When a society loses it’s moral compass, it’s anchor, it’s shelter from the storm, then it falls apart. We’ve seen it happen through out history. The strenghth of America was, until recently the caliber of her people. We are adrift at sea now, subject to the winds to carry us wherever they will thanks to people who think like you wokring tirelessly to have it no other way.

Clearly people do leave marriages for very petty reasons and statistically, a lot of them are women and predictiably the children suffer and each generation degenrates furhter as a result.

09-13-2006 12:21 PM

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dumbbroad
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“If someone drew the lines to connect the dots for you, would see the picture then?”

Sure, go ahead.

I’m just saying that if you asked your counterpart in 1996, 1986, 1976, 1966, 1956 and beyond if there were societal ills that needed to be recitified, I’m sure they could come up with something.

“We are adrift at sea now, subject to the winds to carry us wherever they will thanks to people who think like you wokring tirelessly to have it no other way”

You talk like I’m out pimping 12-year-olds on the FDR for crack. Get real. I consider myself a moral and kind person. Just because I’d like to excel in my chosen profession and believe that the women who asked for equal rights in the 70s were courageous and not morally repugnant doesn’t mean that I am leading to the downfall of society.

09-13-2006 12:44 PM

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tellafriend
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tellafriend

khankrumthebulg wrote:
tellafriend please tone down the insults. It is not adding to the exchange of ideas or content. What is truly disappointing on this entire Board is the response and insults by so many Career Women. One Woman posted some interesting and thought provoking questions. One.

1. Shut your biitch mouth.

2. I am man, hear me roar.

3. Many ridiculous women have posited their radical feminist views as poorly disguised questions. Yet it’s the MEN who have turned these ridiculous, leading, one-sided rhetorical questions into the meat of their valid points. Few children ask intelligent questions. Expecting intelligent questions from women is like expecting Santa Claus to show up. There’s hope, and then there’s just plain naivety.

4. You seem to think we’re “exchanging” ideas with women. What pipe dream are you suffering? I don’t “exchange” ideas with children anymore than I trade recipes with soup kitchens. This is a LECTURE. It’s just that the lecturees are too stupid to realize it. I don’t know if you’ve been keeping up with current events here, guy, but so far it’s been:

women: arf arf arf
men: lecture lecture lecture
women: *confused look* arf?
men: lecture lecture lecture
women: *angry look* BARK BARK BARK!
men: *sigh* …lecture lecture lecture
women: *playing with chew toy look* BARK BARK BARK!
men: fetch!

Don’t play your timeless southern belle indignation game with me, Junior. If the sky is blue, real men should have the balls to say so. It’s called a DESCRIPTION. If you’re insulted by the truth, that’s YOUR PROBLEM. If a biitch is barks, she’s a biitch by definition, not by insult. It’s an insult to my intelligence that I even have to humor these morons. If you’re going to act like a biitch, bark in the other direction.

Most of these biitches are feminazis (another DESCRIPTION) BECAUSE they’re FAT/FUGLY. You don’t see hot women making these remarks. So we know that FAT/FUGLY WOMEN = BITTER WOMEN. This is called OBSERVATION. And I’m making a description of that observation. If you don’t have the balls to keep your women in check, then maybe you should just shut your mouth until you figure out whose purse you left your balls in.

I’m arguing with women that look like linebackers and have more facial hair than me. If I was that ugly and had a gut the size of a whale, I’d be bitter too.

How about instead of lecturing men on how to BEHAVE around women or toward women, you start finding your balls and figure out how to behave LIKE A REAL MAN and keep your biitches in CHECK. Instead of letting them walk all over you like a welcome mat. Women respond to men who take the lead and who aren’t afraid to put a woman in her place. I see it all the time in the field, and I practice it on the women I date.

Who cares if these online fatties and fuglies get bent out of shape hearing the truth. What is that to me?

09-13-2006 01:55 PM

Re: ‘Mommy Wars’: To Work or Stay at Home?
ACatInSD
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ACatInSD

“When 50% of women who get college degrees end up being SAHM’s, that’s a tremendous waste of taxpayers’ money.”

According to the most recent census returns, 63% of college-educated mothers are currently in the workforce, meaning that approximately 37% of college-educated women are stay-at-home mothers, not 50% (link)

If you want to make a list of things that are a tremendous waste of taxpayer dollars, we will be here all night. Maybe we could start with the war in Iraq — billions of our dollars being sent abroad at the behest of many an Ivy League educated politician while our own citizens in the Gulf Coast are still waiting for someone to rebuild their storm ravaged home.

Or maybe we could just peruse the many spending bills that come out of Congress … there’s a whole organization, Citizens Against Government Waste – spearheaded by John McCain, that lists the ridiculous things our government is willing to spend money on. Not once have I seen “educating women” among the list of offenders. In fact, it tackles unnecessary education spending … approximately $250 million spent on incentives (none of which were targeted at women) that didn’t really go anywhere … and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

To suggest that educating our nation’s women is akin throwing away tax dollars is laughable to say the least if you really examined where all these tax dollars actually end up.”

Well said – no one could be agree more. My tax goes to Iraq, that I’ll never understand. The reason we started this war is still there and being proved? Now we know who are idiots.

You should be called “smartbroad”!

09-13-2006 07:51 PM

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phatkat811
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So let’s say that they start sterilizing women who want to attend college, and somehow this strategy actually works. Most women no longer attend college, so enrollment goes way down. The government then can’t justify spending so much money on colleges that only have, say, 60% of the enrollment they have now, so that gets cut. Now state universities can’t afford state-of-the-art equpiment and nice facilities for its students. So who gets hurt? THE MEN.

In the meantime, the enrollment at private universities will go up, assuming they are exempt from the government ban on fertile women attending college – and by the original logic, they should be, since they don’t receive taxpayer money. So the private universities get all the new buildings, equipment, etc., and a state education becomes inferior. Who gets hurt? The POOR men. The rich get richer and the poor stay poor.

Or, if the issue is taxpayer money going to students who don’t make a career out of their college major, then perhaps the government should force colleges to eliminate majors that are less likely to be careers, such as art, film, history, philosophy, English, psychology, and etc. Make it so that state schools are there to churn out doctors, lawyers, engineers, and IT guys. After all, 37% of women aren’t using their degrees and that makes it a waste of money to you guys. I’m guessing that even fewer than 63% of philosophy/art/history/film/English majors actually make a living doing those things.

Liberal arts. What a waste of taxpayer money!

Message Edited by phatkat811 on 09-14-2006 12:36 PM

09-14-2006 01:49 AM

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tellafriend
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tellafriend

ACatInSD wrote:
BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK!

Dumb biitch go fetch your stick

09-14-2006 04:06 AM

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khankrumthebulg
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khankrumthebulg
Dr. Wafa Sultan the Syrian Born Woman and Shrink now living in Los Angeles has alot to say about the Clash of Cultures.

http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1050
Arab-American Psychiatrist Wafa Sultan: There is No Clash of Civilizations but a Clash between the Mentality of the Middle Ages and That of the 21st Century

Wafa Sultan: The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete.

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Host: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?

Wafa Sultan: Yes, that is what I mean.

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Host: Who came up with the concept of a clash of civilizations? Was it not Samuel Huntington? It was not Bin Laden. I would like to discuss this issue, if you don’t mind…

Wafa Sultan: The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: “I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger.” When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to stop this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels.

My colleague has said that he never offends other people’s beliefs. What civilization on the face of this earth allows him to call other people by names that they did not choose for themselves? Once, he calls them Ahl Al-Dhimma, another time he calls them the “People of the Book,” and yet another time he compares them to apes and pigs, or he calls the Christians “those who incur Allah’s wrath.” Who told you that they are “People of the Book”? They are not the People of the Book, they are people of many books. All the useful scientific books that you have today are theirs, the fruit of their free and creative thinking. What gives you the right to call them “those who incur Allah’s wrath,” or “those who have gone astray,” and then come here and say that your religion commands you to refrain from offending the beliefs of others?

I am not a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew. I am a secular human being. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect others’ right to believe in it.

Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: Are you a heretic?

Wafa Sultan: You can say whatever you like. I am a secular human being who does not believe in the supernatural…

Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: If you are a heretic, there is no point in rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the Prophet, and the Koran…

Wafa Sultan: These are personal matters that do not concern you.

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Wafa Sultan: Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don’t throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want, but other people’s beliefs are not your concern, whether they believe that the Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that Satan is God, son of Mary. Let people have their beliefs.

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Wafa Sultan: The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the Holocaust), and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror, with their work, not their crying and yelling. Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists. 15 million people, scattered throughout the world, united and won their rights through work and knowledge. We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. The Muslims have turned three Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a Mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy. Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them.

Yesterday a Dutch Minister said that Sharia may be voted into Law in Holland. Europe is being Islamicized in front of our eyes. Meanwhile Rosie O’Donnell on the View compared Christians in this country to Al-Queda. This is the viewpoint of many of the Women posting on this board. Women who do not know real oppression. But may find out about it. Women who are feminizing a culture and attempting to make a Kinder Gentler Military. Some here argueing that Women are capable of doing the same job as a Man in Combat. Despite a Presidential Commission in 1992 that vigorously dispelled that myth.

Tellafriend I have anger issues myself towards the FemNags. Two of whom are Family members. For the record I run my household. And the Alpha Unit understands that. She is free to leave if she cannot handle that and chooses to stay. When I retire I am going exPat had enough of this Gynocracy and Conservatives caving into the Women folk.

We are drugging 5 million boys into submission. Their crime is being born Male. Their Mothers are a herd mentality allowing the Pharmaceutical Industry and Lesbians to torture them to act like Girls. Women in the West are now using ground up Fetuses as a beauty treatment. And using 12 year old Eastern European Girls as incubators to provide product for their use. This is how debased and sick our culture is. Spoiled and self absorbed Western Women exploiting Girls for their benefit.
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09-14-2006 08:40 AM

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