Request to Juliandroms for Shared Parenting Resources


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Request to Juliandroms for Shared Parenting Resources
Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet

Juliandroms,

I have found your posts to be quite informative. I am very interested that you went to Washington DC to suggest fair shared parenting legislation.

My personal knowledge on MRA stuff mainly focusses on the “gender violence” issues, but I wouldn’t mind expanding my knowledge to some of the divorce laws stuff. Could you recommend any good resources for me (and other forum readers.

I’m particularly interested in the legislation you’ve suggested and arguments for/against it.

If anyone else wants to chip in with resources, by all means do so.

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-03-2006 02:42 AM

Re: Request to Juliandroms for Shared Parenting Resources
juliandroms
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juliandroms
For the most part,divorce law & family law is a state issue and not a federal issue. I did not go to Washington, I went to my state capital.

There are some exceptions to this, however. Though the tenth Amendment limits powers of the Federal government to legislate in areas that conflict with the state powers, and at the time of the writing of the Constitution the Federal government was conceived as not having jurisdiction over family law (this being a power reserved to the states), there has been a gradual erosion of this separation of powers over the last century. Unfortunately, the courts have permitted the Federal government to usurp state powers in some areas of state law (see for example debates on the Bradley amendment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Amendment and federal mandates on child support collection enforced through the withholding of welfare block grants).

Notwithstanding issues such as those, for the most part working for change in the area of child custody legislation means appealing to state legislators and your governor. Most states have their own men’s rights or faters rights organizations. You can get in touch with them to find out more about the particular circumstances in your state.

Some good sources for information:

Glenn Sacks:
http://www.glennsacks.com/glenns_columns.htm

Wendy McElroy:
http://www.foxnews.com/column_archive/0,2976,16,00.html

http://www.mensactivism.org

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com

09-03-2006 08:58 AM

Re: Request to Juliandroms for Shared Parenting Resources
DontMarryNoer
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DontMarryNoer

juliandroms wrote:

http://www.mensactivism.org

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com

Be careful with the people in those boards. Pretty unstable. One guy on mensnewsdaily compared the killer Darren Mack to a Jew in a concentration camp, and a guy on mensactivism followed me to another board once and sent me some disgusting email messages (at least the subject header was, I didn’t bother with the content as I feared a virus) after I proved him wrong about some things MRAs believe.

09-03-2006 11:02 AM

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yohan
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yohan

DontMarryNoer:

Be careful with the people in those boards. Pretty unstable. One guy on mensnewsdaily compared the killer Darren Mack to a Jew in a concentration camp, and a guy on mensactivism followed me to another board once and sent me some disgusting email messages (at least the subject header was, I didn’t bother with the content as I feared a virus) after I proved him wrong about some things MRAs believe.

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You better read your own feminist man-hating literature and find out yourself, how you compare men…with a walking dildo, a woman with a **bleep**, a monkey …

No feminist should complain about receiving disgusting emails. Change your way of expression first, before pointing to others.

09-03-2006 12:43 PM

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
You might also try:

http://www.acfc.org
http://www.profam.org/

09-03-2006 01:49 PM

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tellafriend
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tellafriend

DontMarryNoer wrote:

Be careful with the people in those boards. Pretty unstable. One guy on mensnewsdaily compared the killer Darren Mack to a Jew in a concentration camp, and a guy on mensactivism followed me to another board once and sent me some disgusting email messages (at least the subject header was, I didn’t bother with the content as I feared a virus) after I proved him wrong about some things MRAs believe.

Shouldn’t we be careful with idiot women who are immune to common sense and assume the professional victim role whenever possible instead of making coherent arguments and rationally addressing any contentions.

You see idiot women have a penchant for demonizing the behaviors of men. I mean look at all these idiot women posting. And yet the men give them too much credit and completely underestimate their idiocy. It’s like rocket scientists reasoning with 4-yr-olds. Men should just simply take a page from feminism and adopt the professional victim mentality, view all female posts as the ridiculous ramblings of incoherent unstable mental patients and forward them to the proper authorities.

Just like on the playground, the boys excel at everything.

The girls excel at telling on the boys. Welcome to Professional Victim Mentality 101.

09-03-2006 02:09 PM

Re: Request to Juliandroms for Shared Parenting Resources
DontMarryNoer
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DontMarryNoer

yohan wrote:
DontMarryNoer:

Be careful with the people in those boards. Pretty unstable. One guy on mensnewsdaily compared the killer Darren Mack to a Jew in a concentration camp, and a guy on mensactivism followed me to another board once and sent me some disgusting email messages (at least the subject header was, I didn’t bother with the content as I feared a virus) after I proved him wrong about some things MRAs believe.

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You better read your own feminist man-hating literature and find out yourself, how you compare men…with a walking dildo, a woman with a **bleep**, a monkey …

No feminist should complain about receiving disgusting emails. Change your way of expression first, before pointing to others.

Erm, I’ve never compared a man with a walking dildo or a monkey or whatever some radical feminist may have said 40 years ago or how somebody took something out of context. So what does that have to do with anything? Maybe if they sent them a threatening email it qould be something…

Should I bring in things Warren Farrel has said?

09-03-2006 06:01 PM

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IshWishDish
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IshWishDish

Should I bring in things Warren Farrel has said?

Well, since they’re bringing up the likes of Valerie Solanis (who isn’t taken seriously by any feminist I’ve ever heard from) so much, yes please do.

09-03-2006 06:17 PM

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juliandroms
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juliandroms
Uh, let’s not bring up that feminist stupid allegation against Farrell about his interview in Penthouse from the 60’s / 70’s. By now, it’s gotten really old. Most of us here know the difference between the words “generally” and “genitally” even if Penthouse editors don’t. And in any case, strange to me is that, as unbelievable as the story is, it’s remarkable only for the fact that it’s the only time a feminist would quote something from Penthouse and claim it was believable. Despite what Ms. Wilson chooses to believe or tell you, there is no “vast conspiracy” of pedophiles seeking to take your children away from you.

09-03-2006 10:18 PM

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Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet
HA!

I just looked up “feminist hate quotes” on google to shut up IshWishDish and on the second page was a link to THIS FORUM:

http://forums.forbes.com/forbes/board/message?board.id=respond_marry_career_woman&message.id=768&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

Title:

IshWishDish, here are the feminist/policy makers quotes I promised you…

Duh….

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-04-2006 12:00 AM

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Re: Request to Juliandroms for Shared Parenting Resources
Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet
Thanks to all the people that gave me links here, I’m going through them now.

And uh, I’m always “careful” with what I read. It has to stand up to objective critical analysis, which I why I keep rejecting feminist literature I read.

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-04-2006 12:04 AM

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DontMarryNoer
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DontMarryNoer

Uh, let’s not bring up that feminist stupid allegation against Farrell about his interview in Penthouse from the 60’s / 70’s. By now, it’s gotten really old.

I’m not just talking about that, you know. And it isn’t old! Most people don’t know about it. It’ll be fun!!!

Most of us here know the difference between the words “generally” and “genitally” even if Penthouse editors don’t.

But since you brought it up…

You do know that he wavers between “gently” and “generally”, right? Besides the fact that “generally” wouldn’t even make sense in that context (“in general” would and Farrell is well-educated and spoken), he never bothered to sue them, and even the author maintians he said it. And it was from 1977. So, come on. If people are going to quote radical feminists, often out of context and misattributed, as if it represents what every feminist present may think then you have to take it from Warren Farrell.

And it isn’t just Trish Wilson who knows about this. Do your homework.

09-04-2006 01:17 PM

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IshWishDish
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IshWishDish

So post it, DMN! Most readers here aren’t going to go look it up for themselves.

09-04-2006 06:04 PM

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Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet

Getting frustrated you can’t control other people, IshWishDish?

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-05-2006 01:32 AM

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DontMarryNoer
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DontMarryNoer

Quotes from Warren Farrell, masculist. He was a feminist when he thought it could get him laid by women during the “free-love” period in the 70s but it changed when his wife divorced him. He claims it was his criticisms of feminism that got him shunned by feminists, but in fact it was the things he started to say abot other things-

“If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal ‘no’ is committing date rape, then a woman who says `no’ with her verbal language but ‘yes’ with her body language is committing date fraud. And a woman who continues to be sexual even after she says ‘no’ is committing date lying…”

“We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.” (Myth of Male Power)

“Girls are much more influenced by the dictates of society and are more willing to take on sexual guilt.”

“In a society where men are powerful and exploitive and insensitive to women’s feelings, which is reinforced by female adaptiveness and a daughter’s lack of power, data like these can be used as an excuse for the continuation and magnification of that exploitation. When I consider that, I almost don’t want to write the [The Myth of Male Power] book.”

“Millions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and genitally caressing their children, when that is really part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. (…)Thousands of people in therapy for incest are being told, in essence, that their lives have been ruined by incest. In fact, their lives have not generally been affected as much by the incest as by the overall atmosphere. …”

(Incest: The Last Taboo, Penthouse Magazine December 1977)

THIS is a guy who writes about the importance of fatherhood.

09-05-2006 12:06 PM

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juliandroms
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juliandroms
Except for the last quote, which was a misquote, I don’t see much wrong with what he has said here…

09-05-2006 03:24 PM

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Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet

hahaha

Yep the only one that is bad is the last one and was rebuked in advance. That was so built up. What a let down!

I was actually expecting something that could be interpreted as bad even slightly. We’ve given examples of blanket statements that we’re all rapists, should be beaten to a pulp, are worthless, direct confessions of hate etc. etc. and this is the BEST you can do? LOL!!

Umm okay, well I need say nothing more. People just need to know that you think the first ones are hateful and offensive. My argument is made for me

Fantastic! Thanks DontMarryNoer!

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-05-2006 10:38 PM

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DontMarryNoer
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DontMarryNoer

We’ve given examples of blanket statements that we’re all rapists,

…Which wasn’t even true. It came from a character in a book among many other ones. Unlike Farrel, who wasn’t writing a fictional character but giving his opinion on how incest of young young girls should be accepted.

Except for the last quote, which was a misquote, I don’t see much wrong with what he has said here…

It isn’t a misquote; just find the Dec. edition of 1977 Penthouse. The author maintains it is true, Warren Farrell never bothered to contradict it or sue for decades, and he can’t even decide whether he wants to lie and say he said gently or lie and say it was generally. Neither of which fits well in that context. There are more I can bring over, too.

Warren Farrell has threatened to sue people who bring this up and lies and says steps have been taken, but in fact nothing really happens. Because the lawyers know they have no case. Who he, once again, has never tried to sue is Penthouse. Because he knows it is true and that he’ll lose.

Warren Farrel advocates incest of young girls in the December 1977 edition of Penthouse. Not to mention how he thinks a woman not giving a man who believes he is entitled to sex what he wants is the same thing as raping her. Again, he writes books about the wonder of fatherhood. Glad my dad wasn’t like him. And, yes, he looks as creepy as he sounds.

09-06-2006 01:53 PM

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