Since when did Forbes become Maxim?


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Since when did Forbes become Maxim?
joannamia
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joannamia

Since when did this highly esteemed business magazine become Maxim espousing the value of having a women who is financially dependent on a man and much less educated?  Very disappinted that this would be published.

08-30-2006 09:47 AM

Re: Since when did Forbes become Maxim?
Cassius
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Cassius
What are you ? the thought police ? Go back to your cross burning A*olf.

08-30-2006 09:56 AM

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GenghisKhan
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GenghisKhan
Now the women are becoming more creative in their blame. They can’t blame the men, the author, so they blame the publication. Ladies, blame the ideology that gave you empty promises and made you become poor marriages choices according to Noer. Take responsibility for once. The more you redirect blame, the more it makes you unappealing marriage choices. I know I wouldn’t want a wife who rather than accept responsibility for her actions tries to blame other people or other things.

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08-30-2006 10:31 AM

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joannamia wrote:
Since when did this highly esteemed business magazine become Maxim espousing the value of having a women who is financially dependent on a man and much less educated?  Very disappinted that this would be published.

Since Forbes decided it was time to appeal to the confused career woman who isn’t sure if she should chuck a successful life life of privilege and go back to the massah bondage of Noer clones ….who gasp, sigh…..don’t want to marry her.  Wake up women – it’s wonderful.  I mean, do you actually feel bad about your success?  Are you concerned about growing old and having to make do with cats when you could be cooking, cleaning, ironing, and toting beer bottles back and forth to the living room until the day you die?  Really?  Well gee, then let’s get together and go mountain biking every weekend, or off to the casino, or hiking in Bandelier, or visiting Le Bare, or skiing in Santa Fe,  or the symphony, or the art museum, or have a yummy coffee and steak brunch before visiting the arboretum.  Yeehah.. how about riding horses through the Chisos mountains in Big Bend at sunset?  Whitewater rafting…….you can see I’m never bored.  Most married women I know do NOT have a husband who can tear himself away from the wide screen long enough to do any of this stuff….that’s married life reality.

For those females with secret hidden desires to return to bondage, consider if blacks might secretly desire to go back to slavery too? That would also return an economic edge from an entire segment of the population of competing humans and give it back to the old white man regime.   Line up in the streets they might for a chance to serve the massah and not worry bout ‘dat mean ol money.  However, since black slave men won the right to vote 52 years before women got the vote as a group they might be more hesitant over what they’ve got to lose and not as easy to herd.   Women suffragists fought for the simple right to vote for over 150 years from 1770 to 1920 during which many got arrested, beat, and jailed for simply placing their ballots in the box or marching for their rights.

08-30-2006 11:23 AM

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GenghisKhan
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GenghisKhan
Since Forbes decided it was time to appeal to the confused career woman who isn’t sure if she should chuck a successful life life of privilege and go back to the massah bondage of Noer clones ….who gasp, sigh…..don’t want to marry her. Wake up women – it’s wonderful. I mean, do you actually feel bad about your success? Are you concerned about growing old and having to make do with cats when you could be cooking, cleaning, ironing, and toting beer bottles back and forth to the living room until the day you die? Really? Well gee, then let’s get together and go mountain biking every weekend, or off to the casino, or hiking in Bandelier, or visiting Le Bare, or skiing in Santa Fe, or the symphony, or the art museum, or have a yummy coffee and steak brunch before visiting the arboretum. Yeehah.. how about riding horses through the Chisos mountains in Big Bend at sunset? Whitewater rafting…….you can see I’m never bored. Most married women I know do NOT have a husband who can tear himself away from the wide screen long enough to do any of this stuff….that’s married life reality.
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See now this is a good response. Rather than get angry at men for the choices they make, you’re arguing how your decision for a career is of benefit to you personally and other women who choose to follow the same path.

For those females with secret hidden desires to return to bondage, consider if blacks might secretly desire to go back to slavery too? That would also return an economic edge from an entire segment of the population of competing humans and give it back to the old white man regime. Line up in the streets they might for a chance to serve the massah and not worry bout ‘dat mean ol money. However, since black slave men won the right to vote 52 years before women got the vote as a group they might be more hesitant over what they’ve got to lose and not as easy to herd. Women suffragists fought for the simple right to vote for over 150 years from 1770 to 1920 during which many got arrested, beat, and jailed for simply placing their ballots in the box or marching for their rights.
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Whoa, wait a minute, I guess I spoke too soon. This part of your post overshadows the value of what you said earlier because if being free and having a career is so great why do you feel the need to insult housewives by comparing them to slaves? IF you were so happy with your choice to have a career then you would have no problem with other women choosing to become housewives yet you insult them. Your comments here go a long way in showing that under the veneer of the happy career woman, you harbor bitter, resentment and animosity against the woman who chooses to be a housewife. Why else would you compare them to slaves?

Message Edited by GenghisKhan on 08-30-2006 11:54 AM

08-30-2006 11:44 AM

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PatriarchVerlch
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Have you heard of free speech lady?

You women do not have the market cornered on PC anymore. Those days are over. Larry Summers was right, men and women are different. Women are hard wired for nurturers and looking after the children they bear, breast feeding and the whole works.

Men are designed to care for and provide for the whole family.

Women always try to marry up, men try to marry the poor pretty secretary. Got a problem with reality, take some more meds sister.

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

08-30-2006 12:12 PM

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MartianBachelor
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…when you could be cooking, cleaning, ironing, and toting beer bottles back and forth to the living room until the day you die?

In exchange for – burp – excuse me – burp – free room and board, a car, health insurance, and all the accessories – the highest standard of living in the history of the planet. Like Betty Friedan said forty years ago, society asks so little of women.

Anyway, Taos is much better skiing, though I do get a kick out of the “movable scenery” in and around Santa Fee…

Ever eat at The Pantry?

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08-30-2006 12:25 PM

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GenghisKhan
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GenghisKhan
In exchange for – burp – excuse me – burp – free room and board, a car, health insurance, and all the accessories – the highest standard of living in the history of the planet. Like Betty Friedan said forty years ago, society asks so little of women.
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So true. My mom is a housewife and her new lexus is arriving next week – in the model she wanted, in the color she wanted, with the options she wanted. Hardly the choices of a “slave.” She isn’t complaining, in fact she still wonders why women would be so attracted in going out and being a slave to corporate culture. She loves the quote in my big fat greek wedding where the mother says, “the husband is the head of the house, but the wife is the neck and she can make the head turn anyway she wants to.” This is something women knew for centuries, and feminism came along and screwed it all up. But hey, I understand feminism helped women get an education and a job and allowed them to accomplish their goals. It also made them poor marriage choices. Guess we can’t have it all.

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08-30-2006 12:35 PM

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juliandroms
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> Since when did this highly esteemed business magazine become Maxim
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Since women converted marriage into a financial institution.

08-30-2006 12:55 PM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor

GenghisKhan wrote: …This is something women knew for centuries, and feminism came along and screwed it all up.

For women. And for men who want to be fathers. A decent proportion of them anyway.

But it did inspire many of us guys to ponder what, exactly, equality means to us. Wasn’t it Dr. Farrell who warned that the day would come when men would get in touch with their feelings, and women were not going to like it one bit? That day seems to be here.

So a double-whammy for the gals.

But I know what they’ll say. They need a fallback in case the marriage falls apart. But the error in thinking here was believing that men are just as flighty and undependable as a lot of women maintain the right to be. Most men couldn’t even come close if they tried. Marriages didn’t used to just fall apart. (Not that marriage was somehow perfect in the past or guaranteed everyone’s happiness.)

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08-30-2006 01:01 PM

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Have you heard of free speech lady?You women do not have the market cornered on PC anymore. Those days are over.

Erm, she didn’t say anything about oppressing free-speech. Quit lying.

Larry Summers was right, men and women are different. Women are hard wired for nurturers and looking after the children they bear, breast feeding and the whole works. Men are designed to care for and provide for the whole family.

Oh, geez. Okay, this isn’t science. You’re speaking of physical biology as if it shows social motivation. They have not, in fact, shown that men/women are “hard-wired” for anything of anything of the sort.

Women always try to marry up, men try to marry the poor pretty secretary. Got a problem with reality, take some more meds sister.

Take your own advice. Have you been in a closet for the last 50 years?

For women. And for men who want to be fathers. A decent proportion of them anyway.

But it did inspire many of us guys to ponder what, exactly, equality means to us. Wasn’t it Dr. Farrell who warned that the day would come when men would get in touch with their feelings, and women were not going to like it one bit?

Funny, it seems to be the same things that were said over a half a century ago! Besides, its a storm in a tea-cup. Most people don’t even know this happened. Women get careers and get married, or just get careers, men become stay at home fathers, men propose for marrige, most people continue to choose cohabition over marriage, the world goes on. Meanwhile, this will fade into obscurity.

08-30-2006 01:16 PM

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GenghisKhan
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Meanwhile, this will fade into obscurity.
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I’m sure that the men in the past thought the same thing about the emergence of feminism. You see, these thoughts have been swirling around in mens’ heads for years. But we sucked it up, we didn’t complain because, that’s what men do or so we have been told. As the years progressed, the system got worse and worse. Now the incentive is on men not to marry. Women complained about men not committing, etc. but for women things overall were still pretty good. But now, Noer’s article does something very dramatic. He tells men that they should eliminate a single class of females from their decision on who to marry. When you think about it, its pretty big since many women these days are career women. Ultimately, Noer has accomplished one thing – engaing men to discuss these issues. And you know what happens when things start being discussed openly.

Message Edited by GenghisKhan on 08-30-2006 01:37 PM

08-30-2006 01:27 PM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor

DontMarryNoer wrote: …Funny, it seems to be the same things that were said over a half a century ago!

Well I wasn’t around then, and what are you talking about anyway? What things were said? By whom? Where? I’m very interested in these.

I thought the idea of “getting in touch with ones feelings” – if that’s what you were referring to – was straight out of a branch of psychology which only really got started in the 70’s and probably didn’t hit the mainstream consciousness until the 80’s.

But, whatever, I’ll cut you a factor of two slack on the timescale…

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08-30-2006 02:31 PM

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“But hey, I understand feminism helped women get an education and a job and allowed them to accomplish their goals. It also made them poor marriage choices. Guess we can’t have it all.”

I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one.  An education and a job don’t make for poor marriage material.  Women in other countries have shown us that it can be done successfully.

This is where, I believe, Mr. Noer has it wrong.  Men shouldn’t be basing their choices on whether or not the woman has a career or doesn’t have a career.  What he should be basing his decision on is whether or not she was brought up in a western-style household (this includes western European households).  There are dozens of countries out there that provide free education where you can find intelligent women who have no problem being a housewife.

Don’t kid yourself ladies.  The fact that a woman is a housewife is in no way an indication of her intelligence.

08-30-2006 04:28 PM

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toadman
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toadman

When Redbook became Cosmo.

08-30-2006 04:29 PM

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DontMarryNoer
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I’m sure that the men in the past thought the same thing about the emergence of feminism. You see, these thoughts have been swirling around in mens’ heads for years. But we sucked it up, we didn’t complain because, that’s what men do or so we have been told.

You’ve got to be kidding me! There is nothing knew about this. In fact, it isn’t new to this century. It just gains a different spin as more issues are put on the table or others becomes obsolete.

08-30-2006 04:44 PM

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Happy_Bullet
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Larry Summers was right, men and women are different. Women are hard wired for nurturers and looking after the children they bear, breast feeding and the whole works. Men are designed to care for and provide for the whole family.

Oh, geez. Okay, this isn’t science. You’re speaking of physical biology as if it shows social motivation. They have not, in fact, shown that men/women are “hard-wired” for anything of anything of the sort.

That was so funny. “Women are not hard-wired for breast feeding”. The evidence is on your shoes.. what you can’t see them?.. Oh wait. Queer theory is such crap. Pick up a zoology or evolutionary psychology textbook sometime. The entire fact that women are unable to hunt during pregnancy, and are the ones who bear the children leads to about a zillion behavioural implications that are required for a species to survive. Richard Dawkin’s “The Selfish Gene” is a good place to start.

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

08-31-2006 12:14 AM

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PatriarchVerlch
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Why do girls play with dolls, and boys trucks?

Why do women talk 20,000 words a day and men only 7,000?

Why do women need a clean house when a baby is around?

Why do women go barren, while men are full of vigar?

I’ll answer that one, because a women that bears children when she is young, those children live longer than children born to old warn out women.

It’s really hard for a grandma to be a 24/7 mother, compared to a 18 year old.

Why can I lift dead weight of the ground with one hand, and my wife cannot budge it?

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

08-31-2006 02:50 AM

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shovel
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shovel
Why do women go barren, while men are full of vigar?

I’ll answer that one, because a women that bears children when she is young, those children live longer than children born to old warn out women.

Men AND women are best suited to reproduction in their 20s. Just because a man can produce sperm into his elderly years doesn’t make it at all healthy sperm. The quality declines at the same rate as the female reproductive system.

I doubt you want to father flipper babies, unless you travel with the circus!

08-31-2006 04:05 AM

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Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet
Shovelface,

What you just said is based on a single study done by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. The study found that yeah, men’s sperm has a higher percentage of crap sperm after 35, but is qualified as being basically meaningless …

Women basically point blank stop being reproductive between 45 and 50, and after 30 they have an increased risk of miscarriage and the child having down syndrome.

Bad sperm in elderly men is documented as have an increased risk of causing dwarfism (and not down syndrome).

1) How many spastics do you see around (feminists not withstanding); and how many dwarves do you see around? (Empirical evidence).

The study showed, that the percentage of men’s sperm that can have a defect increases by like 2% per year from like 20% at age 35. It’s always like a 20% rate before 35. It gets to 50% at around 60. Thing is, this is sperm we’re talking about here, there are millions of them in one load and only the healthiest gets to the egg, which basically means even if 90% of sperm is completely defective and have five heads and seven tails, they aren’t going to get through anyway.

Basically the study is meaningless garbage that panders to the female ego. Naturally feminists jumped all over it.

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

08-31-2006 05:20 AM

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“But hey, I understand feminism helped women get an education and a job and allowed them to accomplish their goals. It also made them poor marriage choices. Guess we can’t have it all.”

By “we” you mean women, right? Because most of the male posters are arguing that women should manage mens’ family lives. By my reckoning, that means that men can have a job and a family.  So really men can have it all, just not women. Nice.

08-31-2006 07:19 AM

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A Feminist and Researcher at the University of San Francisco has recently stated that Hormones and most of human Behavior is “Hard Wired”. Neuroscientists who have examined male and female brains complained their work and findings are being surpressed by PC Feminists.
Men have ten times as much Grey Matter as Females. Women have the inverse amount of White matter. And the hemispheres of their brains are better connected. These are adaptations and fundamental differences.

Andrew Sullivan Gay Writer wrote a long article about Testosterone and how it effects him. He has AIDS and is living with HIV. Males have 15 to 20 times as much Testosterone as Females. We are fundamentally built on different blueprints aside from the obvious anatomical Differences.

Gender Feminists proclaim Gender is a Social Construct. They are wrong. And Science is proving this daily. Yet Feminists persist in their Flat Earth Thinking. Most are Lesbians who hate Men anyway. And have indoctrinated now two decades of US Women. Career Women have bought into their lies. That Men are choosing to reject you is your problem. Life is about Choices and consequences. Deal With it. Like we have had to.

08-31-2006 09:37 AM

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GenghisKhan
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By “we” you mean women, right? Because most of the male posters are arguing that women should manage mens’ family lives. By my reckoning, that means that men can have a job and a family. So really men can have it all, just not women. Nice.
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Women can do whatever they want, its a free country. But you can’t force men to marry career women. If a woman wants a career and a family they need to find a househusband or other suitable man willing to propose to her. Its not that women can’t have it all, its just harder for them to achieve it. And this is largely due to the traditions of marriage proposal not some male dominated conspiracy preventing women from having a career and a family. Ironically, marriage traditions are something that cater to women, which is why there is a $40-70 billion/year industry devoted to weddings. So you arguing that women can’t have it all is tantamount to a bride arguing that she’s too fat to fit in her wedding dress and claiming that its the groom’s fault. Either change yourself or change the tradition. Its the same argument you girls make with employment, compensation, etc. You don’t want to face the realities of the system, you just want the system to bend and meet your expecations (I want to get paid as much as my male counterpart yet I want to take a break for working for pregnancies and to raise a family). And in many situations, the system has bent to meet your expectations through affirmative action, etc. But you cannot do such a thing with a man’s right to choose because now this is a hindrance on free will which is slavery/fascism.

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08-31-2006 11:21 AM

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