The Five Great Threats To Feminism


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The Five Great Threats To Feminism
Happy_Bullet
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I’ve said in previous posts that feminism is on the way out. People have said this before and it hasn’t been true. These five reasons are why, due to modern social concerns and developments, feminism really does finally face threat. I do believe we are on the brink of what the media has been naming the “menaiisance” and with a bit of organisation men are going to be able to reclaim our civil rights in a society that will otherwise become self-destructive.

Women should also take heed to be sure the side you take is the correct one.

FIVE GREAT THREATS TO FEMINISM:

1) Exposure of Their Domestic Violence Lies

Feminists have been claiming for years that men are vastly more abusive towards women in intimate relationships than the converse. Studies you can find referenced at the site:

http://www.mediaradar.org/

Have contradicted this, and in particular the Australian Personal Safety Survey of the Australian Bureau of Statistics contradicts this. Equality in the work force for women has been reached to a level that nullifies the reason for a women’s movement and the only real cash cow they have left is the domestic violence issue which they have been remorselessly drawing attention to.

More and more studies are coming out that disprove this enormous lie that is so widespread that it is currently a popular belief.

2) The Marriage Strike

Based on anti-male divorce laws, anti-male domestic violence legislation, widespread false accusations (which the existence of will of course be denied) and most importantly the misandristic, entitled attitude of the vast majority of western women. Marriage is an extremely poor deal for any man and here’s the clincher: BECAUSE WOMEN MARRY UP, THE MEN MOST AT RISK FROM THIS SORT OF THING ARE THE MOST DESIREABLE.

This is further compounded by what we are discussing here, women only marrying up, and having careers themselves reduces the pool of eligible men to the ones with the most to lose, and the ones with the most choice who will CHOOSE the most pleasant woman, which doesn’t appear to be career women who evidently bring greater demands to the table.

This leads to a number of social problems, not limited to:

1) More criminally inclined children being produced by single mothers.
2) More single mothers on welfare.
3) No decent children to support the perpetuation of this insanity.
4) People unhappy because they can’t marry, in both sexes.
5) More men annoyed at the system for UNWILLINGLY paying for children through child support and taxes for welfare where they would previously have been doing it willingly.
5) Men without reason to obtain status, thus becoming “slackers” and not contributing as much to society or even being a burden on it.

The existence of iniatives like IMBRA are proof that some western women are aware of, and not happy about men bypassing misandristic brides with high divorce rates to marry overseas. Others, like myself, who have no interest in foreign women, purely for taste reasons, simply intend to be single and do whatever we want, which is what the people going to foreign brides will do if that option is removed.

3) The Internet Exposing the Widespread Misandry in Society

With the media at mercy of political correctness, and the social risks of speaking out about this, the internet has provided an uncensored and, if desired, anonymous, means by which men can finally express their resentment of the system, become organised and MOST IMPORTANTLY educate other men on the dangers faced in the current society.

Many men will first go to places for the amusing humour of some of the sites which poke fun at pro-feminist politicians and feminists themselves, then will traverse links to more serious sites. Before you know it, they are an anti-feminist.

4) The Growing Popularity of the “Pickup Artist” Society

Some men on here have noted this with admiration, some with disdain, but another of the core tenets of feminism is “queer theory” that we are all the same and evolutionary tendencies account for naught.

Whatever, but in the face of the marriage strike, many men will be turning to cheap and meaningless flings with a short expiry date to avoid legal trouble. In the future this will more than likely include covert video cameras in men’s houses to rebuke false claims of rape or abuse.

It further eliminates the male need for marriage as many men simply marry for sex, when it can be verified by these guys that single life includes more sex than marriage.

Recently “Pickup Artists” were popularised in the book “The Game” by Neil Strauss.

Well, these guys have a strong evolutionary focus and it can obtain verifiable results in the real world. That sort of thing becoming popular culture will eliminate queer theory entirely.

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/01_The_Basic_Rules/alphamale.shtml

Jason, Clifford’s Seduction newsletter: “There’s an attitude to take with super HB’s (and all women really) that is pure gold. The thought is that “INSTINCTUALLY women KNOW their role.” The key word here is INSTINCTUALLY. What this means is that on an “instinctual” level women ARE all the same! They get their juices flowing when they are in the presence of a MAN who is living HIS ROLE. MAN is the dominant one, NOT woman. And deep down inside women KNOW this. This has NOTHING to do with being an **bleep**. This is about being a MAN who is NOT afraid [which doesn’t necessarily only have to mean the usual “TARZAN NOT AFRAID!!” macho stuff, but also not being afraid to be honest, sensitive and caring when the time is right].

You have to be the MAN who has all the sexual power. And when a woman (no matter how hot) sees and feels the presence of a man whom she recognizes as the dominant one while SHE isn’t, she does what every woman does – that is SURRENDERS to the more powerful being. And all that acting like she’s hot and knows she’s the stuff and all those other “head up in the air” tricks are just a test and a way to weed out all the men who are less powerful than her and don’t know their role as a MAN.”

Commonly, what is denigrated as “backlash”, revolves around evolutionary theory which now faces widespread substantiation in the minds of men.

Pick up artistry also exposes the suppression of male sexuality:

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/01_The_Basic_Rules/niceguys.shtml

Peta, Clifford’s Seduction Newsletter: “It dawned on me as it has, that the androgyny is key. Women fall for bastards because they don’t turn off the sexuality.. “nice” guys think women will be terrified of their sexuality, so they turn it off and all they get is women responding to their androgyny [sending all nice guys to LJBF-land]”

So they develop an interest in feminism and the repression of male sexuality due to involvement with pick up artists, and begin looking at anti-feminist blogs as a result, starting with sites like:

http://www.nomoremrniceguy.com/

So that’s either more anti-feminists and/or the only male attention western women getting being one-night-stands, preferably with bondage and **bleep** sex, frequent dumpings, new, improved and more STD’s and occassionally a penniless player supposed to pay child support (but not) cause the condom snapped (if you can find him).

5) Islam

If the above four do nothing, then start reading the koran people. Muslim societies are patriarchal and therefore have a more robust culture than we do. As our culture and social order disintegrates due to high taxes, decreased population and increased government control our parliament halls of power will simply be transitioned over to mosques already in place. This will happen first in the EU nations, then if the warning is not heeded, the rest of the western world.

If things do go as far as no. 5, that is when oppression of the spoilt western female will REALLY begin.

Message Edited by Happy_Bullet on 09-07-2006 12:11 AM

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-06-2006 11:46 PM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
MartianBachelor
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Not bad, not bad at all. (take a free beer out of petty-alcohol…)

I don’t know where reproductive rights for men (beyond non-participation or surgey) falls, but I suppose #2. It should be on the list somewhere.

From my standpoint there’s little difference between marriage, cohabitation, and being a PUA — as soon as your bippy gets wet you’re at the mercy of the woman and on the hook for 18 years of child support; any distinctions between the various arrangements are pretty much technical ones. This is the case so long as Family Law over-rides contract law. If two people could make a contract which the state would actually enforce (unlike a marriage “contract”) then we really could tailor our relationships, negotiate as equals, and all sort of other Really Good Stuff. But that would be a thread to the feminist establishment.

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09-07-2006 12:36 AM

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Halladay
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the natural yearning to have babies is the biggest threat to feminism

09-07-2006 12:39 AM

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MartianBachelor
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Elaborate, please.

I could argue it’s feminism’s greatest asset.

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09-07-2006 12:51 AM

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Halladay
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if it’s their greatest asset, then why are they trying their best to get rid of them before they are born ?

09-07-2006 12:58 AM

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Doc_Savage
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Sorry mate, I’m with pook on this. Feminism is still winning.

http://tinyurl.com/jrmpu

On the web amongst MRA bloggers it may seem as if the tide is turning but in real life most guys are like AngryMuppet. They are still blinded by love, lust and easily manipulated by women using the male protective urge and shaming language.

As for point #4, the so-called seduction community is an utter joke. Legions of herd-mentality virgins who are shy and frightened of women being encouraged left, right and center to spend money on “seduction products”. You’ve only got to spend a little time reading through some of the crap on those places to realize that most of them are just living a fantasy in cyber-space. Sure there are some guys who do ok but usually they’re good looking (like the posters Sirducer, ox and dahunter). And although most of the so-called “gurus” do get laid they exagerate their success through their writings making it seem like they have “super powers” whilst making out there less good looking than they really are.

09-07-2006 04:53 AM

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Happy_Bullet
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Great link Doc_Savage,

I don’t disagree with what you or Pook wrote, and at the current time feminism is still winning but does face threats stronger than it has previously faced. The tide has not turned, but I believe it will soon.

The most important thing that comes from points #1, #3 and #4 is EDUCATION. Yes, it is true that most guys are still like AngryMuppet, but those three outlets will reach more men with an anti-feminist message than have been reached ever before in the history of feminism. From Pook’s article he seems to agree with me on education.

The “seduction community” is denigrated by a lot of people, including it’s own members .. I can’t digress too much and get into why most of the people involved aren’t all that successful or whether the stuff works. I could say “it does” and it would sound like I’m masturbating. From posts I’ve read it would seem that even they would agree with you that not many are successful. The point is.. education. Regardless of the success of people involved, boy is it attracting interest! Those evolutionary tactics will become mainstream and popularised in parallel with the metrosexual craze in magazines like Maxim and FHM.

If nothing else it is an excellent way to turn nitwit men into rampant consumers, but will have the side-effect of exposing them to a truthful message. The system loves consumers.

The marriage strike will never really be widespread without that education, but information is notoriously difficult to contain and the things I spoke of do provide outlets that haven’t been seen before. The fact is “education” really IS the word for it. Marriage really ISN’T in men’s best interests. It’s not a grass roots movement or anything, it’s about self-interest.

There has already been mainstream coverage of PUAs. Rolling Stones & Esquire covers, the book, a television series and some other random magazine articles so far. Askmen.com has some resident dating expert that is evolutionary focussed.

If nothing else PUAs wake men up to the male protective urge and female shaming and guilt manipulation. People getting involved start out like AngryMuppet and end up completely immune in a short time.

The domestic violence issue will get significant media coverage in the end. It doesn’t matter if it takes a while, what matters is the fembots keep lying about it so that when it finally hits it damages their reputation as badly as possible. This is my personal specialisation and most of the work I do in the future will be geared towards exposing this lie, on the internet and in other quarters.

Pook doesn’t agree with people doomsaying about, say Islam.. and even though I do believe it to be true, I can see his point.. LOL.

MartianBachelor and Halladay, those points mentioned have a lot of value when combined with the marriage strike. Currently the situation is that women can sucker a guy into having kids with her frequently enough when her biological clock hits. The marriage strike and better contraception for men will change that dramatically.

Message Edited by Happy_Bullet on 09-07-2006 06:06 AM

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-07-2006 06:01 AM

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Cassius
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Funny how a post dealin with cold hard facts is va*ina free of a sudden. On Islam the greater part of Islamists coming to Europe do and get westernized. Only when they get put through the hardship of divorce, doubels standards etc. they will see what their COA regarding women was all about.

09-07-2006 09:12 AM

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Women’s greed and guys with money. That will kill feminism faster than a career woman shopping for half price Manolo Blahniks.

09-07-2006 10:07 AM

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MartianBachelor
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“COA”? Translation please?

Pook has some OK points. How important they are is another matter. For the first time that I can recall, the mainstream media is starting to talk some about “the man vote” rather than “the woman vote”. I’m referring to “the NASCAR dad”. (Watching things go round and round seems like a perfect metaphor for our times…) Whether this is just a brief blip and merely this year’s politcal fashion “trend” or the beginning of something real and significant, we’ll only know in the fullness of time.

The Forbes blowup here was covered from a typically feminacentric perspective (aka, look here); not many reporters dug deeper to report on what’s really going on. So at least men are starting to appear on the radar screen (once again), including us MRA’s. Sure, it’s a small accomplishment and we shouldn’t start the high-fives just yet, but I think it will re-energize many and provide a motivation for keepin’ on truckin’ with what we’re about.

I think we’re in basic agreement about the PUA phenomenon and I won’t bore you with my particular take on it. I don’t think their goal really is social change, though that may be a side effect.

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09-07-2006 10:35 AM

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DontMarryNoer
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2) The Marriage Strike

As a feminist, I urge all you guys to continue this marriage strike. Said it before I’ll say it again: even take it further and don’t bother with women at all.

09-07-2006 11:20 AM

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BocaGuy
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Why avoid women? They’re a lot of fun!

But I’m not getting married. I like my money too much. It sucks that women like my money too much.

09-07-2006 11:26 AM

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MartianBachelor
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DontMarryNoer wrote: …2) The Marriage Strike
As a feminist, I urge all you guys to continue this marriage strike. Said it before I’ll say it again: even take it further and don’t bother with women at all.

I’m glad you’ve finally caught up with us.

But we should be your heroes, because we’re not “oppressing” women by marrying them, just like you feminists wanted. I’m still waiting for my pat on the head.

I can see the headlines now: “Feminists Root On Marriage Strikers”.

NOT!

You won the battle, at least for now, but y’all aren’t very happy about it. And there are probably plenty of women who will want to tear your eyes out when they realize it’s feminists and not men who engineered the Great American Man Shortage, depriving them of what they want.

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09-07-2006 11:51 AM

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Doc_Savage
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BocaGuy wrote:
Women’s greed and guys with money. That will kill feminism faster than a career woman shopping for half price Manolo Blahniks.

I can see a problem with this though. Here’s two articles from the Daily Mail that illustrate the flaws in your thinking (with regards to the future I mean).

“Women millionaires will outnumber men in 15 years”

http://tinyurl.com/qt5q5

“An age of huge divorce settlements together with the growing numbers of female entrepreneurs will boost the numbers of women among the wealthiest, it said.

And women millionaires will become more common than men because they live longer – while the men will die off quicker.”

“Boys are being failed by our schools”

http://tinyurl.com/hto2m

“A generation of boys is leaving school unable to cope in the modern world because lessons have become “feminised”, according to a renowned academic.

They are falling behind in exams and the job market because teachers fail to nurture traditional male traits such as competitiveness and leadership.”

09-07-2006 11:51 AM

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Cassius
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Wymin said they will be liberated and equal and as hard working next year, for the past 15 years. Time will tell Doc, time will tell.

09-07-2006 11:55 AM

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MartianBachelor
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Kenneth McFarlane was ordered to pay his ex-wife Julia £250,000 a year for life.

What’s that, like $400k/yr?

Speaking of Andrea Dworkin, didn’t she say “alimony and child support payments convert marriage into a long term contract for prostitution”?

My point? We won’t want those dried up old whores, Doc. Why should we, when all that matters is the number of 24 year-old millionaires, of which there are very few.

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09-07-2006 11:56 AM

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moneyneversleep
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Actually, this is the way it works.  I meet you in a bar.  I will give you a phony name.  I will tell you I work for some company or govt. agency that is very pro-woman, or I will say I am a doctor or a Civil Rights attorney. I will Chat you up (if you are hot,that is.  If you are not, I will chat someone else up).  I will flatter you.  You will talk about feminism.  I will agree with all your talking points.  I will buy you drinks and continue to agree with you and nod knowingly.  Then, I will take you back to you place, kick the cats off your bed, and f*ck the sh*t out of you.  Then, when I am done I will do a Houdini.

09-07-2006 11:56 AM

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MartianBachelor
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ok, fine, moneyneversleep.

Speaking of AngryMuppet, where did he shuffle off to?

Back on thread… so how do we get into the power politics game? Try to muscle our way into the existing game? Form another party? Take over an existing minor party? Take some hostages? What?

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09-07-2006 12:25 PM

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Doc_Savage
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MartianBachelor wrote:
My point? We won’t want those dried up old whores, Doc. Why should we, when all that matters is the number of 24 year-old millionaires, of which there are very few.

Well my point was in response to Bocaguy saying that wealthy men and female greed will kill off feminism. The way things are shaping up there will be hardly any wealthy men around soon. Fewer and fewer boys going to university
means less wealthy men for the future. Already wealthy men being fleeced in the divorce courts means less wealthy men today.

09-07-2006 12:30 PM

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MartianBachelor
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10-4. I agree with you that that’s the basic trend. Though I also have enough confidence in male nature to think guys will always find a way. I know quite a few who have bypassed the sheepskin, which might have been a waste of time and maybe even a hindrance for them, and done quiet OK. Most of what we learn which really sticks we teach ourselves, and a lot of very important knowledge isn’t in any book.

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09-07-2006 01:08 PM

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This isn’t really a marriage strike. A strike implies that we intend on going back to being married at some point. This should be a wakeup call regarding the real dynamics of any relationship. We should be separating the ceremonial and legal proclamation of “marriage” (which has mutated into a legal nightmare thanks to Feminism) from it’s quiet intrinsic and FUNCTIONAL component, “committment.” We CAN be committed to another person without being “married” to that person. The CONCEPT of marriage is fine, the actual PRACTICE of marriage is where the problems start. People have so much trouble separating the 2 because they’re so duped by culture, assuming that marriage is something that MUST be accepted like eating or breathing. But like every other mischaracterization applied by feminism, marriage DOES NOT have to be accepted and it SHOULD NOT be acceptable under the current legal stipulations which favor women only.

Legally binding 2 people should not be done unless both parties are EQUALLY bound. If one has his hands tied, the other should have her hands tied as well. If committment is binding, it will FUNCTIONALLY bind 2 people, regardless of the so-called legal ramifications inherent in today’s “marriage.” Marriage should SERVE TO FACILITATE a binding committment. But today, marriage only serves to bind one party–the man– while giving the other party the freedom to do as they please. If the legal arm of marriage is no longer functioning to serve the purpose of a committment, it becomes useless, even detrimental to the ORIGINAL intent of that committment.

I.e. If we pinky swear to take turns mowing each other’s lawns and “commit” to this, then we are voluntarily binding ourselves to each other. If we further take a step to legally seal this committment by adding legalized incentives as well as making punitive stipulations, we have become “married” to the INTENTION of being faithful to care for each other’s lawns. BUT if you forget to mow my lawn one day and break your INTENTION as well as your legal committment, and nothing happens to you, what good does it do me to enter into a so-called legal committment in the first place? And further, what if the legal consequences affect me more than they’ll ever affect you. What good would it do me to make our intention LEGAL? Why not keep our intention FAIR AND MANAGEABLE by simply AGREEING to do what we said we would do. And if either of us fails to do what we said we would do, we simply cease to recognize our mutual INTENTION. Welcome to committment 101 where FAIR PLAY is the name of the game. Feminazi biitches don’t like that concept.

As far as “pickup artists” go, the community has it’s pros and cons (pun not intended but on second thought, now intended.) One of the major cons is its response-based nature. Pickup developed as a natural solution to feminism’s entitlement mentality. But most pickup artists never address feminism directly. Eg. Pickup address how to get into a woman’s panties, but it usually doesn’t address the woman HERSELF as the problem. It is a reactionary philosophy like most philosophies that attempt to ADAPT to the problem rather than ROOT OUT the problem. Many pickup artists can successful bed a woman but cannot maintain a relationship because that requires that the ROOT of the problem eventually be addressed. Feminism MUST be exposed and dealt with in order to be successful on both fronts–having sex with a woman initially, addressing man’s need for sex as well as maintaining a proper relationship with a woman in which the man unapologetically asserts his dominance over the woman.

While pickup artists have written about “male dominance” in the context of the attitude needed to bed a woman, they never quite fully address its necessity in maintaining relationships with females. Because the pickup artist is primarily concerned with getting from point A to point B (first meeting her to getting her in bed( or on all fours)) in the shortest time possible. Getting a girl into bed can be done more quickly and with less effort if one simply REACTS AND ADAPTS to the feminist problem (eg. Aruging with women is not encouraged when you’re trying to pick her up even though she may harbor many intellectually terminal concepts) rather than directly confronting and addressing a woman’s feminist philosophy and shortcomings as a result of that detrimental philosophy.

Take the biitches on this board for example. I would never talk to them this way if I was trying to pick them up. But that’s because I realize that it would take more effort than these ridiculous biitches are worth to properly educate them. It’s much easier to just get into their pants which meets my sex needs immediately. Yet it will not address the feminist problem in the long run. Which is also why most people practicing pickup don’t have as much success as their teachers. There are two aspects to the pickup: inner game and outer game. Inner Game is the most important thing to master when you’re learing pickup. This is also what men are dealing with here in a slightly different context. While outer game would be akin to not letting a feminist tell you what to do or paying for her dinner, inner game would dictate WHY you shouldn’t do these things and what attitudes and perspectives you should harbor when relating to women. This is what many people don’t understand because it’s more of a fundamental approach and it requires that your fundamental concepts and views be dramatically changed. So even on here, you see men refusing to DO certain things for a woman (comparable to having strong outer game) but yet these men still supplicate, defer and let these women disrespect them without realizing it (comparable to inner game issues.)

Likewise, in the pickup arena, guys learn how to do the things outwardly necessary to improve their pickup skills, but if they never internally change their thinking and approach to women, they will inevitably wind up in the same place. Eg. I can teach a guy how to physically approach a woman, how to stand, how his mannerisms should be, etc. but if that guy never learns what attitude to bring to the table, all the outward training in the world won’t help him sustain an attractive personality. Learning how to attract women and learning how to BE attractive are two sides of the same coin, just as learning what to be wary of with feminist women (almost a redundant phrase at this point in time)– things like marriage offers, spending money, etc. won’t work unless it’s hollistically supported by knowing WHY to be wary of feminism.

Many guys just want the instant pound of cure without taking the necessary time to invest in the more potent ounce of prevention.

09-07-2006 04:28 PM

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Doc_Savage
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Wow. It’s nice to see you making some intelligent points as opposed to your usual offensive drivel.

tellafriend wrote:

This isn’t really a marriage strike. A strike implies that we intend on going back to being married at some point. This should be a wakeup call regarding the real dynamics of any relationship. We should be separating the ceremonial and legal proclamation of “marriage” (which has mutated into a legal nightmare thanks to Feminism) from it’s quiet intrinsic and FUNCTIONAL component, “committment.” We CAN be committed to another person without being “married” to that person. The CONCEPT of marriage is fine, the actual PRACTICE of marriage is where the problems start. People have so much trouble separating the 2 because they’re so duped by culture, assuming that marriage is something that MUST be accepted like eating or breathing. But like every other mischaracterization applied by feminism, marriage DOES NOT have to be accepted and it SHOULD NOT be acceptable under the current legal stipulations which favor women only.

Yes, and just a small point to I’d like to add. It’s also not a “marriage strike” because that would imply something that was organized. I think most of the men shying away from marriage may never have even heard the term MRA. They just see the results that divorce courts and child custody laws have had on men they know and vote with their feet to stay single.

As far as “pickup artists” go, the community has it’s pros and cons (pun not intended but on second thought, now intended.) One of the major cons is its response-based nature. Pickup developed as a natural solution to feminism’s entitlement mentality.

This may be nit-picking but I have to disagree with this. I think it’s feminsim that enabled this pick up artist cult that has sprang up over the years. Feminists (if there’s any left in the near future that is) will probably look back on the 70’s and 80’s as the golden age of feminism. I believe that feminists enabled a small group of men who the average woman found sexually attractive (bad boys) to get lots of sex while those who were deemed not, to be left on the sidelines until women were ready to marry and settle for the “nice guy” provider type.

Ross Jeffries, the first of the modern “seduction gurus” only realy got into his stride at the start of the 90’s.  Although the early speed seduction ™ with its NLP based “trance words” was a load of rubbish (in my opinion) at least it got shy guys talking to women. A lot of whats gone on since then has been about “nice guys” learning to emulate what “bad boys” have to get a slice of the action.

To my mind this only shows up that women, in general are *more* sexually promiscuous than your average man. It doesn’t seem that way to the public at large because women are so much better at forming a united front to ward off male scrutiny (aka the “lace curtain”) as well as generally keeping secrets and emotional manipulation.

Unfortunately keeping promiscuity secret and emotional maniplation will not create wealth for future generations.

Message Edited by Doc_Savage on 09-07-2006 05:11 PM

09-07-2006 05:05 PM

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toadman
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Cmon, that was a cut/paste job. Not one mention of “fugly bitches”.

09-07-2006 06:23 PM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
phatkat811
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So what? Maybe I’m not as great a feminist as ya’ll think I am (actually, I have never called myself a feminist but everyone here jumped on me and called me that), but I’m not threatened by any of those things.

I was surprised to find out, if it’s true, that men don’t commit more domestic violence, but as long as I don’t beat my man and he doesn’t beat me, those stats don’t affect me.

The marriage strike…yawn. By the way, I don’t marry up. I’m dating pretty much my equal right now. I don’t WANT a man who loves his money.

Widespread misandry….please. There is misandry, as well as objectification of women (yeah, what’s that ever popular song? Crazy Bitch? And how about the poor excuses for women, like Paris Hilton? *shudder*), as well as misrepresentation of minorities, blah blah blah. Stereotypes are rampant in the media and any intelligent person knows better than to get their attitudes from the dumbed-down media anyway.

Pickup artist….well, I’ve grown out of the one-night-stand phase. All that this is going to create is a bunch of women who eventually get tired of being used for sex and learn to find the joy in telling the sleazy guys at bars to **bleep** themselves, and going home to their vibrators. Might wanna buy some stock in Bullets and Rabbits, boys.

Islam…..are you f*cking KIDDING me? They want to destroy the US first, so you’ll be gone right along with the feminists and everyone else in America who doesn’t follow the Koran.

There’s a woman’s perspective. Happy now?

09-07-2006 07:27 PM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
Cassius
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Islam does not want to destroy the us, Islamic terrorists want to destroy the US. Islamists want Sharia law in Sweden and France for Islamish inhabitants for now. Do not confuse the 2. By the way your average moderat Islamist is a far greater threat to womens freedom than all Talibans combined because they do NOT fight western men, and when they will gain political power and strip women of their rights the alimony paying, out of his house kicked western man will just shrug. Then women really will have an opportunity to fight for their rights and realize what the difference is to having them handed over.

09-07-2006 10:05 PM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
phatkat811
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phatkat811
Any fundamentalist Muslim who follows the Koran is in favor of destroying Americans. If one isn’t, he’s disobeying the Koran.

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

09-08-2006 12:17 AM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
tellafriend
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Doc_Savage wrote:
Wow. It’s nice to see you making some intelligent points as opposed to your usual offensive drivel.

If I needed to be condescended to by someone with a 2 digit IQ, I would have talked to an acorn.. but it’s the thought that counts.

tellafriend wrote:

This isn’t really a marriage strike. A strike implies that we intend on going back to being married at some point. This should be a wakeup call regarding the real dynamics of any relationship. We should be separating the ceremonial and legal proclamation of “marriage” (which has mutated into a legal nightmare thanks to Feminism) from it’s quiet intrinsic and FUNCTIONAL component, “committment.” We CAN be committed to another person without being “married” to that person. The CONCEPT of marriage is fine, the actual PRACTICE of marriage is where the problems start. People have so much trouble separating the 2 because they’re so duped by culture, assuming that marriage is something that MUST be accepted like eating or breathing. But like every other mischaracterization applied by feminism, marriage DOES NOT have to be accepted and it SHOULD NOT be acceptable under the current legal stipulations which favor women only.

Yes, and just a small point to I’d like to add. It’s also not a “marriage strike” because that would imply something that was organized. I think most of the men shying away from marriage may never have even heard the term MRA. They just see the results that divorce courts and child custody laws have had on men they know and vote with their feet to stay single.

As far as “pickup artists” go, the community has it’s pros and cons (pun not intended but on second thought, now intended.) One of the major cons is its response-based nature. Pickup developed as a natural solution to feminism’s entitlement mentality.

This may be nit-picking but I have to disagree with this. I think it’s feminsim that enabled this pick up artist cult that has sprang up over the years.
Let’s be more accurate here. Guys have been trying to get laid since the dawn of time. You can refer to this as “pick up” if you want. The point is, certain things were necessary to accomodate the cultural obstacles and certain things were avoided for the same reason. Feminism is its own culture with its own inherent problems. In order to get anywhere, pickup artists had to adapt to the cultural problems. But they didn’t exactly fix the cultural problem. They just learned how to insert their finger into a particular crack in the proverbial dam. Eventually all the cracks will add up and overwhelm a man unless he learns that the dam itself is the problem. It is poorly constructed. Workaround solutions are not proper solutions for the long term. I.e. Getting in a woman’s pants DESPITE the evils of feminism’s influence on the dating culture doesn’t cure women of feminism. It just delays or prolongs the inevitable clash.

Feminists (if there’s any left in the near future that is) will probably look back on the 70’s and 80’s as the golden age of feminism. I believe that feminists enabled a small group of men who the average woman found sexually attractive (bad boys) to get lots of sex while those who were deemed not, to be left on the sidelines until women were ready to marry and settle for the “nice guy” provider type.

Ross Jeffries, the first of the modern “seduction gurus” only realy got into his stride at the start of the 90’s.  Although the early speed seduction ™ with its NLP based “trance words” was a load of rubbish (in my opinion) at least it got shy guys talking to women. A lot of whats gone on since then has been about “nice guys” learning to emulate what “bad boys” have to get a slice of the action.

Yes, again, a response to the feminist culture, not a solution for it.

To my mind this only shows up that women, in general are *more* sexually promiscuous than your average man. It doesn’t seem that way to the public at large because women are so much better at forming a united front to ward off male scrutiny (aka the “lace curtain”) as well as generally keeping secrets and emotional manipulation.

Unfortunately keeping promiscuity secret and emotional maniplation will not create wealth for future generations.

Any idea or concept which doesn’t help a society will eventually hurt it. Welcome to feminism.

09-08-2006 01:02 AM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
tellafriend
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phatkat811 wrote:
So what? Maybe I’m not as great a feminist as ya’ll think I am (actually, I have never called myself a feminist but everyone here jumped on me and called me that), but I’m not threatened by any of those things.

I was surprised to find out, if it’s true, that men don’t commit more domestic violence, but as long as I don’t beat my man and he doesn’t beat me, those stats don’t affect me.

The marriage strike…yawn. By the way, I don’t marry up. I’m dating pretty much my equal right now. I don’t WANT a man who loves his money.

Widespread misandry….please. There is misandry, as well as objectification of women (yeah, what’s that ever popular song? Crazy Bitch? And how about the poor excuses for women, like Paris Hilton? *shudder*), as well as misrepresentation of minorities, blah blah blah. Stereotypes are rampant in the media and any intelligent person knows better than to get their attitudes from the dumbed-down media anyway.

Pickup artist….well, I’ve grown out of the one-night-stand phase. All that this is going to create is a bunch of women who eventually get tired of being used for sex and learn to find the joy in telling the sleazy guys at bars to **bleep** themselves, and going home to their vibrators. Might wanna buy some stock in Bullets and Rabbits, boys.

Islam…..are you f*cking KIDDING me? They want to destroy the US first, so you’ll be gone right along with the feminists and everyone else in America who doesn’t follow the Koran.

There’s a woman’s perspective. Happy now?

This stupid biitch is the typical product of feminism. This is a yappy fugly biitch who can’t and won’t shut up. This is the type of fugly biitch who is jealous of other HOT women (like Paris Hilton) and refuses to acknowledge that men care about LOOKS FIRST when shopping for a woman. All her degrees won’t cure her from being FUGLY. The more these feminazis try to belittle hotter women, the more pathetic they look.

This stupid biitch is also too dumb to even realize she’s a feminist. It has to be pointed out to her by men.

And this stupid biitch thinks that pickup artists will be turned down? Just like this dumb biitch doesn’t realize she’s a feminist, she would also never be able to spot a pickup artist. PUAs deal with c0ckblockers and fuglies like her all the time in the field. We develop strategies for anything these idiot women throw at us. And this dumb biitch thinks the majority of pickups happen at a bar?.. I’d say she’s a complete moron, but that would be a little redundant by now. It’s enough to say that she’s a woman. And we all know that women trying to think out loud are a train wreck in the making.

Get back in the kitchen and bake yourself another brain cell.

09-08-2006 01:20 AM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
Doc_Savage
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Oh goody.

The tellafriend we all know and … er, um, well,
all know is back.

09-08-2006 04:20 AM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet

I was surprised to find out, if it’s true, that men don’t commit more domestic violence, but as long as I don’t beat my man and he doesn’t beat me, those stats don’t affect me.

The fact that you are surprised is evidence of widespread misandry: The perpetuation of this lie.

If that’s not misandrist, let’s change VAWA to VBWA : Violence BY Women Act. Completely target women with advertising campaigns and legal action, prosecute large amounts of false accusations against women and ignore violations against women. Oh wait, that would be misognist? There you go.

The marriage strike…yawn.

I’m aware feminists are behind the situation that has led to the marriage strike. Funny that MRAs and feminists agree on this point and think they’ve suckered the other. One side must be delusional, but at least we agree feminism is to blame. I guess it depends on whose benefit marriage REALLY is in then. Unfortunately, men were already “afraid of commitment” and needed to be nagged into it a long time ago.

Pickup artist….well, I’ve grown out of the one-night-stand phase.

Your personal situation is completely irrelevant to my point and funnily enough to PUAs as well. The point is not whether it will work or not. It’s the fact that people getting involved have their minds opened to certain truths.

Oh and isn’t it a coincidence that it’s women who are younger and more desireable that aren’t “sick of” one-night-stands yet? LOL.

BTW I think you can read TellAFriend’s flames and tell he is an intelligent guy. Actually he does a great job of reducing these women to the children they are. Not a lot of point in taking some of these long time fembot posters seriously

Message Edited by Happy_Bullet on 09-08-2006 07:01 AM

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-08-2006 06:50 AM

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Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
phatkat811
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phatkat811
So I’m a feminist because I want a career? Honestly, that is the only thing I have in common with them. How can other people tell me what I am when they don’t even know me?

The only person tellafriend reduces to the level of a child is HIMSELF, gotta tell ya.

And ummm….I’m not old. I’m 25.

09-08-2006 09:00 AM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
Happy_Bullet – Yea, it’s like the couple of times I’ve brought up the topic of PUA’s for discussion w/women, it’s always been like “well, I’d never fall for that”, like it’s those other women who are the stupid ones.

Anyway, good point about the PUA thing being a stealth way of getting a male side of things into other males’ heads. (“The point is not whether it will work or not. It’s the fact that people getting involved have their minds opened to certain truths.”)

My question, though, has always been: if it worked, why would anyone tell others? This is the same obvious objection I’m sure we’ve all thought of with regard to those get-rich-quick infomercials. It’s easy selling people their dreams.

From that angle, the PUA literature starts to look like a counterpart to Galmour or Cosmo, except that you can’t buy it at the grocery store checkout line. As we all know, old Hef got his by selling men what they wanted to imagine of themselves, but now just looks silly in his geezerhood (like the plastic dolls he’s with).

The best of the genre I ever saw was not in the genre at all, but was a self-help book by a so-called recovering sex addict, whose stories I had no reason to particularly doubt as being due to boastfulness; I think it was called The Casanova Complex, and you have to read it “in reverse” rather than as it was intended.

Doc: “…women, in general are *more* sexually promiscuous than your average man.”

A moment’s thought and you’ll realize that this is a mathematical impossibility. In any population with approximately equal numbers of the two sexes, the average number of partners is approximately the same for each sex. (This assumes strictly heterosexual sexes, or equal numbers of gays and lesbians.)

This cuts both ways, so remember it anytime a feminut bases female superiority on the “fact” that women have fewer partners on average than men (i.e., are promiscuous), which is reported periodically from surveys.

tellafriend: “It’s also not a “marriage strike” because that would imply something that was organized.”

Again, in a previous thread I brought up the need for a better term. It hasn’t come to any of us yet. Even if it’s not organized it can still appear to be a movement since we’re all heading in about the same direction. If it was organized, it would be more of a civil rights issue than a “lifestyle” choice (see linked article).

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09-08-2006 10:17 AM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
Doc_Savage
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MartianBachelor wrote:

Doc: “…women, in general are *more* sexually promiscuous than your average man.”

A moment’s thought and you’ll realize that this is a mathematical impossibility. In any population with approximately equal numbers of the two sexes, the average number of partners is approximately the same for each sex. (This assumes strictly heterosexual sexes, or equal numbers of gays and lesbians.)

I should clarify that it is only a theory. One that comes from the PUA camp with only observational evidence to back it up.

But it’s not a mathematical impossiblity. The idea goes that you have a small percentage of the male population (players) sowing their oats with a much larger percentage of the female population (sexually liberated and empowered women who do the choosing of course). Each player may be sleeping with say 4 women per month whilst the women may be only seeing 2 per month. Despite the the women having less partners overall than the players there are still more of them.

09-08-2006 11:34 AM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
tellafriend
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tellafriend

Doc_Savage wrote:
Oh goody.

The tellafriend we all know and … er, um, well,
all know is back.

Like er um yeah well umm yeah..

Tighten up your panties, boy. You’re giving me an erection with all that feminine charm.

09-08-2006 11:42 AM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
tellafriend
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tellafriend

phatkat811 wrote:
So I’m a feminist because I want a career? Honestly, that is the only thing I have in common with them. How can other people tell me what I am when they don’t even know me?

The only person tellafriend reduces to the level of a child is HIMSELF, gotta tell ya.

And ummm….I’m not old. I’m 25.

Hey dumb biitch, we both know you’re a **bleep** envying fugly who is trying to justify her fat/fugly opinion by ignoring the obvious. And nobody cares that you have to lie about your real age, Grandma. We all know you’re a desperate old hag trying to make the men cower to your feminazi agenda.

Now take your dumb biitch ass back to the pound. BAD DOG!

09-08-2006 11:56 AM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
Doc, we’re defining “population” differently.

I was talking about the entire bunch of us, all 300 million (ok – take out the kids and geezers).

You were restricting things to just the players and their playees, which leads to two different sizes for the two groups, and the result you get naturally follows: women are *less* promiscuous than their counterparts in the other (smaller) population.

I didn’t know this was part of the selling points for the PUA material. Whether it’s true or not, at least it flatters the potential purchaser by telling him he can be special.

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09-08-2006 12:34 PM

Re: The Five Great Threats To Feminism
Cassius
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Cassius

phatkat811 wrote:
Any fundamentalist Muslim who follows the Koran is in favor of destroying Americans. If one isn’t, he’s disobeying the Koran.

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

The way christians learned to accept that other people preach to a different god moderate muslims learned to appreciate the fruits of the western world as long as they keep the upper hand about their own women. There are Muslims in France and Sweden fighting against womens rights who are NOT our enemies because they do not want to destroy zilch. They are the womens problem. Just accept it. Oh and by the way if troops should be needed to liberate Sweden of Sharia law, send the feminists.

Message Edited by Cassius on 09-12-2006 09:00 AM

09-12-2006 08:58 AM

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