Unmarried career women are idiots


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Unmarried career women are idiots
jimp
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jimp
And that’s another good reason not to marry them. Basically, a smart woman would first marry, and then concentrate of her career, not the other way around.

http://www.john-ross.net/feminism.htm

09-04-2006 12:45 PM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
Pretty much nail-on-the-head.

Why does it take a man to point out the glaringly obvious, fercryinoutloud?

Message Edited by MartianBachelor on 09-04-2006 09:36 PM

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09-04-2006 01:39 PM

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ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

jimp wrote:
And that’s another good reason not to marry them. Basically, a smart woman would first marry, and then concentrate of her career, not the other way around.

http://www.john-ross.net/feminism.htm

You do realize you’re speaking so far outside the realm of logic that your post is ludicrous, yes?

09-04-2006 02:08 PM

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hero
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hero

I agree with jimp.  My ex-gf got married when she was 18, had a couple of kids, and when she was 38 and the kids were almost grown, she went back to school , and started her career at age 40.

P.S. No, I didn’t date a married woman, she was divorced by the time I met her.

09-04-2006 03:11 PM

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ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

hero wrote:
I agree with jimp.  My ex-gf got married when she was 18, had a couple of kids, and when she was 38 and the kids were almost grown, she went back to school , and started her career at age 40.

P.S. No, I didn’t date a married woman, she was divorced by the time I met her.

What’s right for one person is not right for all people.

And not necessarily all women want to get married and have children.  How are they stupid for having careers?  What if they don’t know they want children until later in life?  What, they should sit around and wait for that day to come? What’s wrong with a woman having goals before, or outside of, having children?  I don’t understand.

Message Edited by ftesyektsi on 09-04-2006 03:56 PM

09-04-2006 03:55 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

ftesyektsi wrote:

hero wrote:
I agree with jimp.  My ex-gf got married when she was 18, had a couple of kids, and when she was 38 and the kids were almost grown, she went back to school , and started her career at age 40.

P.S. No, I didn’t date a married woman, she was divorced by the time I met her.

What’s right for one person is not right for all people.

And not necessarily all women want to get married and have children.  How are they stupid for having careers?  What if they don’t know they want children until later in life?  What, they should sit around and wait for that day to come? What’s wrong with a woman having goals before, or outside of, having children?  I don’t understand.

Message Edited by ftesyektsi on 09-04-2006 03:56 PM

Later in life your eggs are drying up and your body isnt as strong and do you really want to be grandma age when your child is a teenager?

It makes more sense to have children when you’re younger, heathier and more capable. Its better for you, your kids and your husband. But if you’d rather waste that time persuing pointless career goals and $$$ go right ahead. Dont expect men to be waiting around.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-04-2006 05:24 PM

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ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

Termi0n wrote:

ftesyektsi wrote:

hero wrote:
I agree with jimp.  My ex-gf got married when she was 18, had a couple of kids, and when she was 38 and the kids were almost grown, she went back to school , and started her career at age 40.

P.S. No, I didn’t date a married woman, she was divorced by the time I met her.

What’s right for one person is not right for all people.

And not necessarily all women want to get married and have children.  How are they stupid for having careers?  What if they don’t know they want children until later in life?  What, they should sit around and wait for that day to come? What’s wrong with a woman having goals before, or outside of, having children?  I don’t understand.

Message Edited by ftesyektsi on 09-04-2006 03:56 PM

Later in life your eggs are drying up and your body isnt as strong and do you really want to be grandma age when your child is a teenager?

It makes more sense to have children when you’re younger, heathier and more capable. Its better for you, your kids and your husband. But if you’d rather waste that time persuing pointless career goals and $$$ go right ahead. Dont expect men to be waiting around.

How fortunate you are to know exactly what you want out of life.  Not everyone does.  And again, some people don’t even know they want kids until later (and “later” does not necessarily mean 50, btw).  So, I ask you again, what would YOU have women do who don’t have plans to have children?

It’s not wise to just pop out some kids at an early age just to fulfill some societal expectation.  Nothing worse than a too-young set of parents who are barely emotionally mature enough to take care of themselves trying to take care of another human being.

09-04-2006 05:45 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

ftesyektsi wrote:

How fortunate you are to know exactly what you want out of life.  Not everyone does.  And again, some people don’t even know they want kids until later (and “later” does not necessarily mean 50, btw).  So, I ask you again, what would YOU have women do who don’t have plans to have children?

Get some cats.

It’s not wise to just pop out some kids at an early age just to fulfill some societal expectation.  Nothing worse than a too-young set of parents who are barely emotionally mature enough to take care of themselves trying to take care of another human being.

Its not wise to wait until the end of your biological timeframe to have kids either.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-04-2006 05:51 PM

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phatkat811
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It’s been proven that those who get married younger than 25 (i.e., get married before establishing a career as the poster is suggesting) have a higher divorce rate than those who wait.

It’s been proven by Noer that those who establish careers first and then get married have a higher divorce rate than those who don’t.

You really can’t win.

09-04-2006 06:25 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

phatkat811 wrote:
It’s been proven that those who get married younger than 25 (i.e., get married before establishing a career as the poster is suggesting) have a higher divorce rate than those who wait.

It’s been proven by Noer that those who establish careers first and then get married have a higher divorce rate than those who don’t.

You really can’t win.

Dont get a career till your kids are grown.

Or never. Not like a person “needs” a career.

Message Edited by Termi0n on 09-04-2006 06:46 PM

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-04-2006 06:44 PM

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ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

Termi0n wrote:

phatkat811 wrote:
It’s been proven that those who get married younger than 25 (i.e., get married before establishing a career as the poster is suggesting) have a higher divorce rate than those who wait.

It’s been proven by Noer that those who establish careers first and then get married have a higher divorce rate than those who don’t.

You really can’t win.

Dont get a career till your kids are grown.

Or never. Not like a person “needs” a career.

Message Edited by Termi0n on 09-04-2006 06:46 PM

Not like a person “needs” kids, either.

Or a marriage, for that matter.

09-04-2006 07:09 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

ftesyektsi wrote:

Termi0n wrote:

phatkat811 wrote:
It’s been proven that those who get married younger than 25 (i.e., get married before establishing a career as the poster is suggesting) have a higher divorce rate than those who wait.

It’s been proven by Noer that those who establish careers first and then get married have a higher divorce rate than those who don’t.

You really can’t win.

Dont get a career till your kids are grown.

Or never. Not like a person “needs” a career.

Message Edited by Termi0n on 09-04-2006 06:46 PM

Not like a person “needs” kids, either.

Or a marriage, for that matter.

You’re the ones bitching about us not wanting to marry women like you.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-04-2006 07:14 PM

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Freeyourself
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Freeyourself

Termi0n wrote:

ftesyektsi wrote:

Termi0n wrote:

phatkat811 wrote:
It’s been proven that those who get married younger than 25 (i.e., get married before establishing a career as the poster is suggesting) have a higher divorce rate than those who wait.

It’s been proven by Noer that those who establish careers first and then get married have a higher divorce rate than those who don’t.

You really can’t win.

Dont get a career till your kids are grown.

Or never. Not like a person “needs” a career.

Message Edited by Termi0n on 09-04-2006 06:46 PM

Not like a person “needs” kids, either.

Or a marriage, for that matter.

You’re the ones bitching about us not wanting to marry women like you.

It’s funny watching them contradict themselves all the time. Do they want marriage or don’t they? They want marriage if you agree that you need them but if you say you don’t then they don’t need you either. But you need them in their minds and since they are career women they are educated and know what you want?

09-04-2006 07:21 PM

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ftesyektsi
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ftesyektsi

Termi0n wrote:

ftesyektsi wrote:

Termi0n wrote:

phatkat811 wrote:
It’s been proven that those who get married younger than 25 (i.e., get married before establishing a career as the poster is suggesting) have a higher divorce rate than those who wait.

It’s been proven by Noer that those who establish careers first and then get married have a higher divorce rate than those who don’t.

You really can’t win.

Dont get a career till your kids are grown.

Or never. Not like a person “needs” a career.

Message Edited by Termi0n on 09-04-2006 06:46 PM

Not like a person “needs” kids, either.

Or a marriage, for that matter.

You’re the ones bitching about us not wanting to marry women like you.

You’re not so good at the reading comprehension, are you?

09-04-2006 08:34 PM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

ftesyektsi wrote:

You’re not so good at the reading comprehension, are you?

Then by all means clarify if I misunderstood.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-04-2006 08:46 PM

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ACatInSD
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ACatInSD

Nice post ftesyektsi, very logical.

I just came back from a friend’s BBQ party. I asked the husband how you thought about his wife with her career and if he would like her come back home as a full-time housewife. His response was: ” What? I need her income to pay part of my bills. You know how expensive to live here now, right? Plus she is very well ecucated and she would like to work. I am not going to change her like that.” They own a 4000 square feet home, with two lovely children. And their home is spotless.

So I am confused. Is it possible for this husband to hop online and turn himself into someone as “career women hater” or “working women hater”? I’ve never seen one in my life circle so far. I start suspecting that this forum may have someone who are double-faced and self-contradictory.

09-04-2006 11:43 PM

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Freeyourself
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Freeyourself
“They own a 4000 square feet home, with two lovely children. And their home is spotless.”

This is why he needs the wife to work. They over extended their budget, now are trapped in debt. It’s fine if you want to work but being forced to stress everyday just to try to show off to neighbors and friends is stupidity.

09-04-2006 11:53 PM

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ACatInSD
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ACatInSD

Their neighbors has the similar houses, big mansions, though I don’t know what are the situations of the other cuples are in. But that is not my point. They look very happy and as far as I observed – They’ve been my friends for 3 years.

Maybe their case is too rare for us to talk about here, that in most cases the couples will fight and cheat and get divorced due to the wives are career women. Is this the point that Noer talks about?

09-05-2006 12:17 AM

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MartianBachelor
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“It’s been proven that those who get married younger than 25 (i.e., get married before establishing a career as the poster is suggesting) have a higher divorce rate than those who wait.”

I’m not sure what is magical about the age of 25, which just happens to be the median age at which women first marry: 25.3 as of 2003, the highest in recorded US history. (In 1970 it was a little less than 21.) Women have always tended to marry men who were older, but the gap has decreased steadily, from 4 years in 1900 to 1.7 years a century later.

There is a greater likelihood of divorce with decreasing age of the woman marrying, and the greatest slope in the curve is in the years between ages 18 and 20: a woman who marries at 18 or less has a 60% chance of her marriage not making it 15 years, whereas for a 20 year-old the chance of divorce drops by fully 2/5ths to 36%. This is actually better than the overall average of 43%, which includes all those very young brides. So even marrying at 20, while no guarantee, is not a certain disaster.

The chance of divorce drops a further 1/3rd, to below 25%, for people who marry after age 25. The average age of a first marriage is a little less than eight years — almost enough time to have two children and get them to school age — but I haven’t been able to find anything which plots the average lenght of the marriage which ends in divorce versus the age of the woman at marriage. Intuition tells us that the younger the couple the quicker they’ll divorce, but I’m not sure if this is so.

Early marriage by women is highly correlated with the woman living in communities with higher male unemployment, lower median income, higher poverty, and higher welfare receipts. Poverty increases the likelihood that marriages will fail, and this applies both at the level of the couple and the community in which they live (which go together).

So… women marrying in their low- to mid-20’s does not have nearly the same risks that marrying before age 18 carries. Because of the links to poverty, the very young who skew the statistics may marry because they have no/little chance of embarking on what we think of as a career.

There’s a study from the Nat’l Fatherhood Institute which claims that those who marry in the peak years of 23-27 (when everyone’s doing it and the pool of marriageable members of the opposite sex are rapidly dwindling – think of it as being like the game of musical chairs when the music stops) are also much more likely to be in high-quality marriages than people who marry in their late twenties or later (did I hear someone think “dregs”?).

No one seems to have looked at the numbers with the man’s age, or the age difference between the two, in mind. So I don’t think anything meaningful can be said about Ross’s suggestion that has to do with age.

If established 35 year-old males were to marry even 16 or 18 year olds, the age/poverty thing which shows up so clearly in the current data might plausibly be largely removed from the equation — not to mention that her chance of becoming a single mom courtesy of her slacker/thug boyfriend is removed entirely.

In other words, the fragility of young marriages seen currently may be due to the shaky position of the male with regard to employment and general status/security in the community, not the age of the female.

Don’t get me wrong. I think the system Ross suggests trying has about zero likelihood of being tried in the current climate, whatever it’s many commendable properties. It would be an interesting experiment if it were to be tried. Clearly the difficulty would be in convincing young women that this is the best way to go.

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09-05-2006 12:44 AM

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acrawfield
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I dunno about other women here, but I’m not upset in the slightest that you wouldn’t marry “women like us”, because I have zero interest in any guy who wants a housewife. with the exception of my crazy fundamentalist christian uncle, I don’t even know any men like that. every guy I’ve dated, including my current boyfriend, has been well-educated and ambitious, and wanted the same in a girlfriend/wife. so basically… we don’t want you anymore than you want us, so there’s really no problem here.

09-05-2006 01:46 AM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

acrawfield wrote:
I dunno about other women here, but I’m not upset in the slightest that you wouldn’t marry “women like us”, because I have zero interest in any guy who wants a housewife. with the exception of my crazy fundamentalist christian uncle, I don’t even know any men like that. every guy I’ve dated, including my current boyfriend, has been well-educated and ambitious, and wanted the same in a girlfriend/wife. so basically… we don’t want you anymore than you want us, so there’s really no problem here.

Good. Bye.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-05-2006 01:58 AM

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HappyMom
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HappyMom
It would be good for the teenage girls of America to read This message board.

Young girls/women in the US are socialized nowadays to believe that a career is necessary, and just hte ordinary thing everyone does. In high school, they will have career days, college fairs, etc. What they won’t have is home ec that goes beyond the basics of cooking and sewing or any practical information on what makes a good marriage or how they can be good wives.

Then they get to college and the feminazis/homosexuals preach their propaganda. “You don’t need a man” ” Achild is better off with one loving parent than 2 that fight”(thus implying that marriage by its nature ought to be contentious), “Two moms, two dads, one mom alone? what does it matter as long as they love the child?”

Also, they are encouraged to believe that men really find “strong”, “independent” women atractive and that is defined as financially independent usually. Some of them really have no clue and really would like to attract a good man but have been sent such wrong signals.

So if the families of these young girls aren’t teaching them this seemingly obvious solution, that its in the best interest of their future family the old fashion way: by starting young and focusing on that instead of fruitless career pursuits, that really just boil down to working a crappy job for someone else rather than working hard for a lobving family.

We are trusting these decisions to ignorant, 18 year old girls. I know, I was there. I don’t mean to make excuses but if you don’t reach the girls when they are young this pattern is bound to continue for many years to come. The way to reach them ought to be through their families, not the schools. We can’t and shouldn’t trust the governetment to raise our kids.

Family value(I maen valuing famliy above wealth, etc.) really have to be instilled by the famliy. I can understand that Feminist have power in public but how did they creep into the famliy unit so early? A lot of fathers/husbands played a role in allowing this somewhere a long the line. I only know what went on in my famliy growing up. And, well my mother did run the house and poorly at that.

Message Edited by HappyMom on 09-05-2006 02:19 AM

Message Edited by HappyMom on 09-05-2006 02:20 AM

09-05-2006 02:17 AM

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acrawfield
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oh, and thank you for giving me a renewed appreciation of my own relationship. it’s really depressing how many bitter, hateful guys there are on here… I’m sure some of you must’ve been royalled screwed over at some point to end up so angry. anyway, I hope you all find great stay-at-home moms or mail order brides or whatever it is you’re looking for.

later.

09-05-2006 02:25 AM

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HappyMom
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HappyMom
Again with the hystrionics. Can’t anyone just quietly slink away into the night? Sheesh!

09-05-2006 02:27 AM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

“I can understand that Feminist have power in public but how did they creep into the famliy unit so early? A lot of fathers/husbands played a role in allowing this somewhere a long the line. I only know what went on in my famliy growing up. And, well my mother did run the house and poorly at that.”

You saw the destruction it caused first hand did ya?

I agree that it is ultimately mens responsibility for allowing this to happen. We’re working on it.

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-05-2006 02:32 AM

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HappyMom
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HappyMom
“You saw the destruction it caused first hand did ya?”

I am a huge disappointment to my mother. I had such potential you see, to be just like her. It didn’t work out quite like that though….

09-05-2006 02:53 AM

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acrawfield
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acrawfield
I assume you meant “histrionics”, but I assure you I was being neither theatrical nor insincere. there’s no need for people to get so nasty arguing over what qualities they find attractive in a partner, which just boils down to personal preference. there are men who want housewives and women who want to be housewives, so hopefully they’ll find each other and live happily ever after. either way, it’s no skin off my back, because I’m attracted to a totally different type of guy. I just don’t see the need for all the petty insults.

09-05-2006 03:00 AM

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Termi0n
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Termi0n

Watch it.

acrawfield wrote:
I assume you meant “histrionics”, but I assure you I was being neither theatrical nor insincere. there’s no need for people to get so nasty arguing over what qualities they find attractive in a partner, which just boils down to personal preference. there are men who want housewives and women who want to be housewives, so hopefully they’ll find each other and live happily ever after. either way, it’s no skin off my back, because I’m attracted to a totally different type of guy. I just don’t see the need for all the petty insults.

Then you should shut up.

“I’m sure some of you must’ve been royalled screwed over at some point to end up so angry. anyway, I hope you all find great stay-at-home moms or mail order brides or whatever it is you’re looking for.”

Women want fried ice. -Arab Proverb

09-05-2006 03:11 AM

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PatriarchVerlch
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acrawfield

We are not angry. Like we have said a million times. Prove you want equality by getting rid of the archaic laws of child support and alimony. Then my and my collegues will leave feminists alone for the most part.

Unless the Swedish feminagges get their way and exterminate 90% of men and leave the gay 10% of men to reproduce.

I think you women would do yourself a favor to truly unravel exactly what your movement stands for.

Here let a manly man help:

http://womenshistory.about.com/library/qu/blqulist.htm#F

Here is a bunch of quotes…

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

09-05-2006 06:58 AM

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phatkat811
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Hmm, thing is, I like things like food, and paying rent, and my car. If I would’ve married the guy I was dating when I was 18, I would have developed huge emotional problems by now. So, I left him and didn’t have a man who could pay for those things. Whatever was a girl to do? Yep, in the meantime *I* need a career.

I do have a good man now, but I don’t ask him to provide things for me that I’m perfectly capable of obtaining on my own now. It goes both ways. He gets to save half of his paycheck instead of using it to take care of me; I don’t have to pick up his socks and underwear. Yay! (I do all the laundry and all the cooking though – save for one night a week when I’m at school too late – so don’t be telling me I’m not domesticated.)

Not every woman finds a man to settle down with when she’s fresh out of high school. It’s also generally easier to go through college when you’re in your 20’s than when you’re in your 40’s, especially if you’re not married and don’t have kids yet (not necessarily out of choice, just not having met anyone you want to marry yet).

09-05-2006 11:59 AM

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I’m sure some of you must’ve been royalled screwed over at some point to end up so angry.

And so you think it’s a personal problem, and therefore of no real concern to the larger world? After all, “nice” people keep their personal problems to themselves.

And what if a lot of us said, “no, you’re wrong, we’ve never been screwed over royally, though we’ve seen it happen to many other men; there’s something else, something that you’re missing”, would you re-think your assumptions?

In case you missed it in another thread here’s one take on it: Why Are Men So Angry?

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09-05-2006 01:22 PM

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toadman
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“The men still arguing with women are the ones still trying to reach understanding. They are the ones who still believe in women. The rest have quit talking to women completely. Or rather, they have quit listening to women while they rag on incessantly.”

Good point from the article. While many have thrown in the towel, those men, operating without a legal safety net, are still willing to discuss these issues and havent yet resigned to toss westernized women into the dumpster of irrelevance. Yet.

Message Edited by toadman on 09-05-2006 01:55 PM

09-05-2006 01:54 PM

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MartianBachelor
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Yea, well don’t let any possible flattery you read into the statement go to your head!

Since I haven’t been involved in an open, public discussion board of this sort talking about these topics for 5-6 years, I was really struck by the extent to which the women coming here sounded for the most part just like the ones back then. Same BS about us whining, and wanting them back in the kitchen, etc. right on down the line. They haven’t moved an inch. No real reason for them to I suppose. But still they think we’re the retro ones.

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09-05-2006 06:04 PM

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acrawfield
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“And so you think it’s a personal problem, and therefore of no real concern to the larger world? After all, “nice” people keep their personal problems to themselves.”

of no real concern to the larger world? no, I wouldn’t say that.
however, if it is a personal problem, you need to acknowlege it as such and not blame all women for whatever bad experiences you’ve had (and I mean “you” in general, not you personally). I actually read the other thread, and while I feel plenty of sympathy for anyone who’s been treated badly, it still doesn’t make it right to take it out on an entire category of people.

if, say, I had been mugged by a couple of young black men, would that make it okay to go on a rant about how all black people are thugs and hoodlums? I just think it’s important to rationally assess how your own personal experiences have shaped, and perhaps biased, your perspective. (again, not you in particular)

09-06-2006 12:03 AM

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acrawfield
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acrawfield

I don’t consider myself a feminist, and I’m certainly not part of any “movement”… and I also don’t believe in alimony. child support is another matter, although I do feel care has to be taken that it doesn’t turn into “adult support.”

and to whoever claimed I was insulting them… nothing you quoted from me was really an insult. there are other threads on this board about “why men are angry” and “getting wives from other countries”, both of which I was making reference to… so unless you consider “stay-at-home mom” an insult, you’re grasping at straws.

09-06-2006 12:08 AM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
if it is a personal…

Yea, yea, yea, we get all that.

What we’d like to see stop is woman after woman (not you, of course) showing up and, like yet another zombie robot who was given the same identical programming, going:
1) these men are “angry” and “bitter”.
2) they must have been hurt in a relationship.
3) they need to heal themselves.
4) until they execute #3 and act like “real” men (i.e., are properly deferential to women) we won’t listen to them and take them seriously (feel their pain?), but we will dictate to them because being personal relationship experts (yea!) we know better (see other thread for claim that women are better at empathizing and caring – HA!!) because Oprah says so.

It’s as predictable as the sun coming up each day.

And it misses the whole freakin’ point. We’re talking about social structures and the like, an abstraction beyond the grasp of women whose universe extends out as far as their network of personal relationships.

Then the fembots get all rilied up when we make genrealizations about them.

It’s like a Monty Python sketch, except it’s not funny. Horror show is more like it. Except we’re not scared, just annoyed at the tiresome plot line being endlessly repeated.

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09-06-2006 12:46 AM

Re: Unmarried career women are idiots
shovel
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shovel
Or never. Not like a person “needs” a career.

You hit the nail on the head, sweetcheeks! I assume you don’t have a career?

I’m still LMAO at the guy who suggested that 18 year old girls marry and give birth to babies from 35 year old men. Um…ick?? Have you ever been a teenage girl? Unless you’re Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt, it ain’t happening.

09-06-2006 03:44 AM

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MartianBachelor
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Yea, like, have you ever been a 35 year old man?
18 year old girls? Um…double-ick, unless you’re, like, Lindsay Lohan or Zuleyka Rivera Mendoza.

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09-06-2006 05:42 AM

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acrawfield
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you call it programming, I call it logic. hostility towards an entire group of people doesn’t just come out of nowhere, and it seems likely to have either been learned from parents/authority figures or based upon previous bad experiences. and a lot of the rants on here about divorce, alimony, etc sound very much like they’re based on firsthand knowledge.

in any case, I (we?) don’t need guys to “defer” to us or “feel our pain”. we’d simply like, as you would, to be listened to and taken seriously. and just as it’s difficult to take someone seriously when they’re spouting anti-male, hormone-crazed feminist propaganda, the guys who are on here acting like misogynistic jackasses aren’t doing much for their cause either.

09-06-2006 01:13 PM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
Sounds like you agree with me (programming is logic), except you prefer psychological models rather than structural/sociological ones.

But my model is in the latter class.

Ergo, you’ve got a logical conflict to work out.

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09-06-2006 02:23 PM

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it’s just a question of whether you’re looking at people as individuals or society as a whole. obviously if you focus too much on either approach (psychological or sociological) you’re not going to see the whole picture.

while I’m not disputing the validity of sociological models, I’m also not willing to accept that the outcome of our own relationships are determined by statistics or societal norms… it’s not an inability to see beyond personal relationships, it’s more that I prefer to assess people as individuals, not mindless herds of pre-determined behavioral patterns. for example, I believe the success of my marriage will depend on me and my husband, not on whatever flawed social structures happen to be in place. if I were to just look at society as a whole, and see sky-high divorce rates and single-parent families everywhere, that would certainly make me not want to get married. but while those issues are a problem for society at large, I don’t think they make my own marriage less likely to succeed, because that’s entirely my responsibility.

09-06-2006 07:08 PM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
Fair enough. The sociological data are the results of multiple experiments such as yours, with each couple believing they are individuals making free personal choices along the way.

I’m not arguing for any sort of determinism, but you can see how from a sociological perspective the possible outcomes fall into only a limited number of possibilities.

Anyway, I hope you go back through the many past threads and understand how a steady stream of women coming through here and all sounding more or less the same suggests to us some factory out there making fembots.
Multiple individual choices lead to pretty much the same place in the same way all roads led to Rome. Yes, you’re a personal exception (someone who’s “special”) just like every other woman.

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09-06-2006 08:22 PM

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acrawfield
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so you’re saying that regardless of our personal decisions, we all end up going in the same direction anyway… but I would argue that the possibilities are far less limited than that. it’s not a black-and-white issue, categorizing marriage as success or failure. there are couples who stay married, but aren’t entirely happy; couples who go through a rough patch, but work out their problems and end up happy; couples where one person is happy, and one is relatively content, but could be happier… I just don’t think you can fit human relationships into such neat little boxes. and if you’re going to try, I certainly don’t think I have the same divorce odds as someone who, say, dropped out of high school and married the first guy who got her pregnant.

see, it’s not that we “believe” we’re making free personal choices… we actually are. and claiming that they all lead us to the same place, or even a limited number of places, is implying that people’s marriages are much more similar to each other than my own experiences would indicate.

09-07-2006 05:52 PM

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khankrumthebulg
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I have to throw my two cents in here. Sorry Ms. Career Woman I didn’t get your name. Anyway I have been here 5 decades. And watched the Bra Burners, The Women demanding Not to be treated as Sex Objects, The All Men are Pigs mantra crowd. To the **bleep** Warriors, Cuntfests, **bleep** Feminism, Choice Feminism, Equity Feminism, Lesbian & Transgendered Feminism latest NOW incarnation. Women are simply Schizophrenic. Men must be crazy to want to Marry in this insane culture.

Look at Russia. There 70% of The Divorces are initiated by the Men. Why? They are not held accountable for their actions. Gone are all restraints on their behavior. The same is true here. Women want to live a life free of consequences to their decisions. They want to pick and choose which benefits of Feminism they will accept while denying they are Feminists.

They are too self absorbed to even listen to Men and our issues. They simply don’t care. To them life is all about their needs. And Marriage is a total Scam. Nancy Levant has written a New Book. About the Cultural Wasteland of America and says it is the fault of Feminism and our Women.
Marriage today has zero benefits and tons of Liabilities for Men. It is a contract that should be unenforceable as it is so heavily one sided in Favor of Women that it is an Adhesion Agreement.

Women wholesale refuse to do anything to change that reality. Men should not marry here. It no longer makes any sense.

09-07-2006 07:32 PM

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acrawfield
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acrawfield

if you’re so focused on the financial aspects of marriage that you think it has no benefits, you should not get married. end of story.

09-08-2006 03:16 PM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor

acrawfield wrote:
if you’re so focused on the financial aspects of marriage that you think it has no benefits, you should not get married. end of story.

We wouldn’t be (focused on the financial aspects of marriage) if we didn’t have to be. But we have to be because so many women are, and things are stacked entirely in their favor.

Perhaps the greater injustice is the loss by the man of the chief product and asset of the union from his perspective, namely the children. The money is just about his being forced to, in addition, subsidize this loss. So it’s doubly unfair.

Men never lobbied for this state of affairs to be created, where a man who marries for love is a ruddy fool.

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09-09-2006 11:15 PM

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acrawfield
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acrawfield

luckily, you get to choose the person you marry, so if you’re a decent judge of character, none of that should matter. don’t want to get screwed over by a shallow, greedy gold-digger? don’t marry one. as far as I’m concerned, no one who marries for love is a fool… you just have to be choosy about who you fall in love with. if you have a tendency to fall for morally-compromised b*tches, then yes, you may be a fool.

09-11-2006 01:19 PM

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Shovel wrote:

“I’m still LMAO at the guy who suggested that 18 year old girls marry and give birth to babies from 35 year old men. Um…ick?? Have you ever been a teenage girl? Unless you’re Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt, it ain’t happening”

Oh, but it is happening.  I’m 38 years old and definitely not Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt.  But I just got back from a trip to the Phillipines, and I can assure you that there are millions of beautiful 18-year-old girls who would kill to marry me and have my babies.  And there are plenty of guys who are even older than me who’ve had the same experience.

By the way, don’t tell me that they’re just after my money or a green card.  Most of them didn’t ask me for one penny and practically none of them are interested in leaving their home country.

Message Edited by hero on 09-11-2006 03:43 PM

09-11-2006 03:41 PM

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acrawfield
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acrawfield

umm… you do realize that by marrying you, they would have money, right? it’s not like they have to ask for it.

09-11-2006 04:06 PM

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hero
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Sure she’ll get some of my money, but I’ll be the one who decides how much of an allowance she gets. You see, I’m not going to get married in the USA, where a wife can just take the money and run.  And if she bitches about my stinginess, I’ll just replace her.

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09-11-2006 07:41 PM

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acrawfield wrote:
luckily, you get to choose the person you marry, so if you’re a decent judge of character, none of that should matter. don’t want to get screwed over by a shallow, greedy gold-digger? don’t marry one. as far as I’m concerned, no one who marries for love is a fool… you just have to be choosy about who you fall in love with. if you have a tendency to fall for morally-compromised b*tches, then yes, you may be a fool.

Let’s just say you see this as a personal problem, and therefore naturally want to blame the victim, who you evidently think get just what they deserve, whereas we guys see it as a structural problem, a matter of social injustice. Please review the phrase “the personal is political”.

What to do when a guy marries a seemingly nice gal, who then gets “liberated”, talks with a feminist lawyer, etc.? If you’ve got a test to screen out those who might change their tune at some time in the future, please pass it along. The old Irish phrase is “a man marries a woman expecting her not to change, but she does; a woman marries a man expecting him to change, but he doesn’t.” Us guys take this as a warning. And besides, everyone knows people are on their best behavior during the courtship phases of a relationship; so the truth often doesn’t come out until it’s too late.

Since you are not in our shoes I suppose there is no way you will ever understand these things. You should just admit this limitation.

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09-12-2006 10:44 PM

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acrawfield
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acrawfield

“Let’s just say you see this as a personal problem, and therefore naturally want to blame the victim, who you evidently think get just what they deserve, whereas we guys see it as a structural problem, a matter of social injustice. Please review the phrase “the personal is political”.”

there’s a big difference between “blaming the victim” and advocating caution. for example, if someone doesn’t lock their car door, and gets their stereo stolen… of course, it’s not their fault, it’s the fault of the person who stole it. however, they could’ve been more careful. likewise, if a gold-digger takes advantage of you, the blame belongs with them… but if you want to avoid being the victim of that situation, there are certain precautions you can take.

“And besides, everyone knows people are on their best behavior during the courtship phases of a relationship; so the truth often doesn’t come out until it’s too late.”

yeah, that’s why you don’t get married when you’re still in the courtship phase of a relationship. my boyfriend and I have been together almost 3 years now, and spend pretty much every night together. rest assured, the honeymoon was over some time ago… but we’re also both absolutely certain that we’re right for each other.

people do change as they get older- which is a good reason to not marry young- but rarely do you see someone undergo a radical transformation that wasn’t at all forseeable… the warning signs are usually there. you would say, “she just went completely crazy”, and your friends might say “yeah, didn’t see that coming, that sucks” while secretly thinking “dude, she was crazy all along.”

09-13-2006 03:11 PM

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