$2.4 Million Date-Rape Settlement


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$2.4 Million Date-Rape Settlement
MartianBachelor
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Here’s the story. Yep, misdemeanor battery now costs more than what an average person can earn in a lifetime.

This oughta put a real damper on the college dating scene…

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09-20-2006 11:37 AM

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porkchops38
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MartianBachelor wrote:
Here’s the story. Yep, misdemeanor battery now costs more than what an average person can earn in a lifetime.

This oughta put a real damper on the college dating scene…

The headline says “rape” but the story just says the guy was charged and convicted with misdemeanor battery? I didn’t know that misdemeanor battery is now equivalent to rape.

09-20-2006 11:53 AM

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porkchops38
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It’s also interesting to note, that it appears to me that this $2.4 million was awarded solely by a judge, not a jury.

09-20-2006 11:57 AM

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MartianBachelor
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Why is that “interesting”?

What I found interesting was that Illinois evidently has its very own version of VAWA, cleverly worded as being “gender” neutral by using that word rather than the word “woman”.

I can now see whole armies of women realizing that if they can just manuever the guy into a compromising position and then cry “rape”, well they can be pretty much set for life. For the woman this is even better than using marriage/divorce to create an ex-hubbie to achieve this. But I’m not sure where the guy in this case comes up with that kind of money, since even a $60k/year job after graduation will not cover half the interest owed.

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09-20-2006 12:09 PM

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dumbbroad
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Doesn’t say much about the case to comment on it. I couldn’t find another article about it online. Did anybody else?

09-20-2006 12:12 PM

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porkchops38
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MartianBachelor wrote:
Why is that “interesting”?

What I found interesting was that Illinois evidently has its very own version of VAWA, cleverly worded as being “gender” neutral by using that word rather than the word “woman”.

I can now see whole armies of women realizing that if they can just manuever the guy into a compromising position and then cry “rape”, well they can be pretty much set for life. For the woman this is even better than using marriage/divorce to create an ex-hubbie to achieve this. But I’m not sure where the guy in this case comes up with that kind of money, since even a $60k/year job after graduation will not cover half the interest owed.

Message Edited by MartianBachelor on 09-20-2006 10:15 AM

I used “interesting” as in a figure of speech sense, not literally.

These new laws, and judicial fiat awards, are simply going to force legalization of prostitution in America, just like the NOW gang wants.

Men of means will stay 1000 feet away from any woman at all times now, out of fear of being falsely accused of impropriety and having his assets stolen. Only a poor lazy slob of a man would dare take the risk of coming within 1000 feet of any woman at any time with these draconian laws in place. When single women see only poor lazy slobs of men ever coming within a 1000 feet of them, they might not be so attracted to poor lazy slobs of men and think must be moreso cut-out to be lesbians. Who writes these laws? Lesbians?

09-20-2006 12:38 PM

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HB 536

The Gender Violence Act

ICASA – Support
House Sponsors: Representatives Cross (R), Lindner (R), Coulson (R),
Lyons (R), Moffit (R), Stephens (R), and Rose (R)
Senate Sponsor: Senator Ronen (D)

Description:

This bill provides that survivors of gender-based violence, including domestic violence and sexual assault, may sue their attacker in civil court for monetary damages or injunctive relief.

This Bill is Needed as a Tool For Victims To Get Into Court

Current civil and criminal laws do not adequately address gender-based crimes. An overwhelming majority of rapists and batterers are never prosecuted or held accountable for the harm they cause.

Currently Illinois has no statute that explicitly provides victims of gender-based violence with the right to file a lawsuit. In addition, because our society is relatively new to recognizing and responding to the realities of domestic violence and sexual assault, there is virtually no legal history (precedent) of survivors suing rapists and batterers in civil court.

Although domestic violence and rape harm women — often destroying their emotional, educational, and economic well-being — we do not yet have legal tools that can make batterers and rapists pay out of their pocket for the damage they cause. The Gender Violence Act would create an important tool for seeking justice. By attaching serious financial consequences to rape and intimate violence, it may dissuade rapists and batterers from engaging in abusive behavior.

By Including a 10-Year Statute of Limitations, This Bill
Recognizes the Unique Impact of Gender-Based Crimes

Survivors of rape and domestic violence face barriers to seeking justice that are different than those faced by virtually all other people who use the civil legal system to seek justice. The effects of shame, stigma and victim-blaming frequently mean that victims of gender-based violence have barely begun to heal by the time traditional short statutes of limitation have run.

Most cases filed in civil court (like personal injury cases—which include things like suing a neighbor for running over a rose bush) do not involve lawsuits for actions that are already crimes of violence. The Gender Violence Act only makes actionable behavior that is already criminal (sexual assault, battery, or threats of either), so the GVA statute of limitations should be compared to the statutes of limitation applicable to those crimes. In 2000, recognizing that short statutes of limitation were a barrier to justice for rape victims, the General Assembly increased Illinois’ criminal statute of limitations for sexual assault to ten years.

Gender-Based Violence is at Epidemic Proportions in the United States

According to the U.S. Department of Justice, one out of every four American women will be beaten or sexually assaulted by a man they are (or were) involved with.

Battering is the single largest cause of injury to women in the United States; arrest rates run as low as 1 for every 100 domestic assaults; as many as 50 percent of homeless women and children are fleeing domestic violence; an estimated 4 million American women are battered each year by their husbands or partners. According to the Illinois Department of Human Services almost 80,000 women in Illinois were victims of domestic violence in 1999 alone.

The vast majority of rape survivors NEVER report their rape to police or prosecutors.

Almost 8 out of 10 sexual assault victims never report the crime done to them, generally fearing the criminal justice system will only make their situation worse. The small percentage of survivors who do report their rapes are less likely to see their attackers prosecuted or convicted than victims of other crimes of violence.

Victims of Gender-Based Violence Deserve an Opportunity to Tell What Happened to Them, To Seek Justice, and To Make Their Attackers Pay for the Damage They Caused

Myths about women and about gender-related violence – like the myth that rape is mostly done by strangers, the myth that it is more harmful to be beaten or raped by a stranger than by a boyfriend or a date, or the myth that women lie about being raped or beaten – are still very common in this society. Because of the strength of these myths, the vast majority of raped and battered women – who are mostly raped, battered and harmed by men they know and trust – are not yet taken seriously enough when they tell what happened to them. The Gender Violence Act would give survivors a tool for telling the truth, and a tool for shifting the financial burdens of rape and domestic violence back to where they belong – in the pockets of those who batter and rape, rather than their victims.

In 1994, the United States Congress concluded that no state in the nation was doing enough to prevent and remedy violence against women. Congress also concluded that violence against women was a significant problem that interferes directly with the ability of women to live with equality in our country.

Three years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court held that remedies
like the GVA must be created by state legislation.

This spring, Illinois should pass House Bill 536, and give victims of sexual and sex-based assault a strong tool for seeking justice, and a meaningful tool for discouraging and punishing rapists and batterers.

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09-20-2006 12:44 PM

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MartianBachelor
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Ya think 1000 feet is enough?!

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09-20-2006 12:46 PM

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MartianBachelor
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“Who writes these laws?”

Looks like a cabal of Republicans, with one D in the Senate, but sounds like it could have been written by anyone in the DV/RC or Feminist Studies industry.

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09-20-2006 12:49 PM

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It is becoming more common after a criminal case, whatever the outcome, to sue for damages in the civil courts.  We saw this with the OJ Simpson case.  Even though OJ never was convicted in the criminal courts, he was found guilty in the civil courts and ordered to pay a settlement to the two families, his ex-wife’s and her companion’s.  The standards of proof are quite different in civil vs criminal court.  The criminal court it is a beyond a reasonable doubt (a much higher standard)- in civil it’s the preponderance of the evidence.

09-20-2006 01:28 PM

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porkchops38
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OneSmartChick wrote:
It is becoming more common after a criminal case, whatever the outcome, to sue for damages in the civil courts.  We saw this with the OJ Simpson case.  Even though OJ never was convicted in the criminal courts, he was found guilty in the civil courts and ordered to pay a settlement to the two families, his ex-wife’s and her companion’s.  The standards of proof are quite different in civil vs criminal court.  The criminal court it is a beyond a reasonable doubt (a much higher standard)- in civil it’s the preponderance of the evidence.

Yes cupcake, but this $2.4 million was not a result of a civil court jury’s decision, it was the result of a gestapo type law being enforced through judicial fiat. The article states that a female judge handed down this award, not a civil court jury.

09-20-2006 01:49 PM

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OneSmartChick
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Does the gender of the judge really matter?

09-20-2006 01:59 PM

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OneSmartChick
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Would it be better for you if the 2.4 miilion had been the result of a civil jury trial and not handed down by a -gasp – female judge?

09-20-2006 02:03 PM

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With the decline in Marriages and fewer Men willing to put their heads in the Matrimonial Noose. The Legal Vultures must invent creative new ways to extort Money from US Men. Domestic Violence is the key. We will soon see cohabitation equated to marriage, at least common law. Men being stuck with Child Support for another Man’s Children. Essentially Cuckholding her kids from another Male.

I predict Hotels will see a big increase in business. Men are nuts to bring a single Woman home to their place. Ask Yanni who was arrested and thrown out of his own home. His girlfriend who started the fight stayed in his place while he cooled his heels in jail.

One of the Lawyers who marched with Gloria Steinem in the 1960s is now a Men’s Rights Activist. She says “Men are the new beasts of burden. This is not what I marched for. I was for equality.” Fay Weldon a Feminist says that “If Women wanted to be Men, feminism has not gone far enough. If they wanted to remain Women it has gone too far.”

09-20-2006 02:07 PM

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porkchops38
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OneSmartChick wrote:
Would it be better for you if the 2.4 miilion had been the result of a civil jury trial and not handed down by a -gasp – female judge?

If you think you could find 12 sane rational jurors that would award $2.4 million in compensation for a misdemeanor battery conviction, then I got some ocean-front property in Arizona I think you’d like to buy. That’s why the new law most likely was written with an end-around juries, so as not have to invite any semblance of sanity and rationale into the law and its’ application, just let judical fiat take over once the legislation is codified into law. If I was a healthy sane heterosexual woman, I’d be outraged at this law and judicial fiat. If I was a lesbian woman, I’d be delighted. Men of means are going to stay away from any and all women with judicial fiats like this. By the way, are you a lesbian?

09-20-2006 02:34 PM

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Could you please site the law or some sort of proof that men (or women) are being required to pay child support on children that are not biologically theirs or that they did not legally adopt?   I have never heard of this sticking if the man had a DNA test and proved he was not the father.

If this (the above) is true, this needs to be changed.    One of the areas that needed improving and the women’s movement helped with this was the payment of child support.   We need to make certain that the non-custodial parent supports his/her children.  This may be a little big brother to some of you – HappyMom?? – but irresponsibility has led to this.  Why should our social programs expand because a parent does not want to take responsibility for his/her children?  Then we have more money to send to Iraq – ha ha

09-20-2006 02:37 PM

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PatriarchVerlch
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Just another “she said” testimony! I know of a lot of women that  would lie to get their hands on that kind of money! Expect to see a lot more rYpes! No eye witnesses just her, in her mind shouting, “No….No….No…” “Yes…yes….yess.”

“Now give me a million bucks.”!!!!

If rape costs America 125 billion, false rYpe allegations cost men 125 billion a year as well. If not 125 Trillion in damaged reputation, suicide, loss of family, loss of freinds!!! Simply Half of all rapes simply did not happen! After that, its a guessing game as to how many happened from there!!!!

Care to join men in the Glass cellar ladies? Where 95% of all on the job deaths are men, and we commit suicide at a rate 75% higher than that of women! Yeah that is exactly what we need, more programs to benefit women. As it is 75% of all cancer research money goes to breast cancer. I know the cure, women start making babies and using your breast for what they were intended, feeding babies when your not thinking solely about yourselves. Which it appears the vast majority of women, that is all the care about, themselves 85% and what their girlfriends think, the other 15%. Stop using anti perspirant deodorant. Its unnatural and actually does more harm than good.  Don’t have an abortion. What else am I missing?

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09-20-2006 02:42 PM

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I don’t know the specifics of the case?  Was it plea bargined to sexual battery to move it along because the prosecutor thought it was too tough to prosecute a rape?  Or was it attempted rape, and that’s why it was sexual battery – I don’t know.  No one on this board knows how much damage was done to the women – maybe that’s the reason behind the award.  If we don’t see the evidence, how do we know it’s not reasonable?   Maybe this college student was a part-time model and the guy smashed her face up – models generally earn above average wages – Then of course the compensatory damages would be higher – We don’t know enough.  Maybe the judge was applying a formula for these types of damages?   Maybe the judge was making an example out of this man so that other men won’t try to the same thing?  Maybe the judge was bought off ??

09-20-2006 02:48 PM

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Paternity and Child Support

Some time ago Morgan Wise, a resident of the town of Big Spring, Texas, was mortified to discover that he is not the biological father of three of the four children of his former marriage. He was also mortified when a court found that he must continue to pay child support for the three children and then proceeded to strip him of his visitation rights to the children.

The program looks closely at this case and how DNA testing is influencing the rights and responsibilites of fatherhood as interpreted by the courts both in the United States and Australia.

Damien Carrick: Today on The Law Report how do Family Law Courts, both here and in the USA, define fatherhood in a world where DNA testing has taken the doubt out of paternity

Morgan Wise is a train driver who lives in the town of Big Spring, Texas, population 24,000. It’s at the bottom of the Texas Pan Handle, about 500 kilometres west of Dallas. For many years he was married to Wanda, and together they raised four children.

In 1996 the couple divorced. Morgan, as you’ll hear, is paying child support for the four children. But as his attorney, Robert Miller, explains, a coincidence of timing, new technology and a genetic disease have changed Morgan’s ideas about family.

Robert Miller: Morgan’s a hard-working individual, works for the Union Pacific Railroad; he’s a train engineer. He’s the biological father of one and deemed legal father of four children; he’s divorced, and he recently remarried, and he’s paying child support and honoured his legal obligations.

Damien Carrick: Morgan Wise for many years, believed himself to be the father of four children in his marriage; why did his understanding change?

Robert Miller: He was divorced in ’96. At the time of the divorce, the youngest child has cystic fibrosis. In ’99 part of his side of the family was concerned where did the genetic gene come from? Both parents have to have the recessive cystic fibrosis gene before a child is born with it. And so they did a gene screening, a CS screening, and he was not a cystic fibrosis carrier. And so the doctor told him, he said, ‘Morgan, I don’t think this child’s yours and the only way we know is do a DNA.’ So he did the DNA of the boy and it’s kind of like you could do three for the price of one, so he did all three boys, never expecting all three of them to come back not being his children.

Damien Carrick: What financial arrangements were in place at the time he divorced his wife, or at the time that the tests showed that he wasn’t their biological father?

Robert Miller: When he first started divorce, he had custody of the kids and then custody was given to the wife because he was working on the railroad, and the judge was basically saying ‘The parents can’t raise them, the grandparents’, so the wife asked for custody of the children back, and instead of fighting, he did that. Now his financial arrangements, he was paying $1100 a month child support, and still is, at the time we found out about the DNA.

Damien Carrick: And presumably when he found out that he wasn’t the biological father of three of the four children of the marriage, he tried to change the financial arrangements. What did he try and change?

Robert Miller: Well the first thing we did was file a motion to terminate paying child support on the three boys. That was denied. And then we filed a Bill of Review, which was a new lawsuit to ask the court to set aside the divorce decree that found him the father of three boys, when in fact he isn’t. In Texas, any child born of the marriage, the father is the presumed biological father, and there’s no way he could ever be a biological father now.

Damien Carrick: Were the DNA tests, the genetic tests, were they admissible in court?

Robert Miller: If the divorce hasn’t gone through, DNA testing is admissible, and there can be a finding if the child is not born of the marriage and you can’t order child support. Once the divorce decree is entered, unless we can change the law, Texas takes the attitude that you’re barred. That’s it. And therefore you can’t set aside and the DNA testing is not admissible. Now in this case, that wasn’t the issue about DNA, the issue was can you even open up the divorce decree when you have proof and facts that’s going to state that you’re not the presumed father, and the Texas law basically says you can’t do it and that’s why we’re on appeal, using the Equal Rights Amendment and the due process of law amendments of the US Constitution and the State Constitution. We’re calling it a constitutional issue now.

Damien Carrick: The appeal was heard in February and a decision is expected in the next few months. I asked Robert Miller whether his client has any visitation rights to the four children that he’s financially supporting.

Robert Miller: No. What happened was the kids were aware of this. My client says the mother told them. He was called by the councillors to come to the school and explain to the children what’s going on, so he went to the school, explained to the boys that he is not their biological father but he’s still their daddy. And the mother got upset about that and filed a motion with the court saying ‘He should have supervised visitation’. The judge was hearing the item, and the judge didn’t like the fact that Morgan is talking to his children about this, so he just said, ‘You’re not going to see any of them.’ And just summarily cut off all visitation. I personally believe part of it is that the judge did not want the journalists, the newspaper and the people to know about this. He doesn’t like the idea that we’re talking, in my opinion, I don’t know if it’s true, but in my opinion I think he doesn’t like us talking to you-all.

Damien Carrick: Was part of the judge’s reasoning perhaps that he felt that discussing this with the children may well upset them and leave them confused and rejected?

Robert Miller: Oh yes, I think he felt that. He thinks it’s detrimental, not to their best interests. And you know, I agree, but what do you do? What’s the alternative? Do you lie to your children, or do you say ‘We’re going to tell them when they get older?’ I mean there is not an easy answer to that issue. The innocent people in this whole process is Morgan and his children; the guilty person in this whole process is the mother. I mean it would have been better if the mother had come out with this in the very beginning, than to just, you know. You can cover up a lie, and eventually the truth comes out, we all know that.

Damien Carrick: What do you say to the argument that if a man has loved and cared for children, loved them as his own children, then if he subsequently discovers that he isn’t the biological father, that doesn’t change his feelings, and perhaps not even his responsibilities towards those children.

Robert Miller: That’s true, and that’s been argued. His feelings haven’t changed but the responsibility towards them; what is his responsibility, is it his responsibility to give money to the ex-wife who hasn’t worked in two years, and is not working? What about the responsibility of the biological father who we’re after, we even sued the biological father and we can’t get paternity tested on him, the alleged biological father. Does he not also have a duty to pay support? And if there were three different fathers, she would even get that much more money under Texas, because it’s a percentage of your nett income. So it’s not like the money won’t be there, I think it’s more of a question who has the legal obligation, and I’ll go one step further: if you don’t pay child support you can go to jail. Should a man be locked up in jail for non-payment of support of children who are not his, a criminal-type process, where we’ve used DNA to get people out of jail who are wrongfully convicted now.

Damien Carrick: So tell me about the legal action you’ve taken against the person who you believe is the biological father of the three children.

09-20-2006 02:51 PM

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Explain to me how you know that half of the rapes did not actually happen.  Back up your statement.  Just because you don’t think they happened does not men the didn’t.  Where is your evidence?  Is this in the US?  Elsewhere?  Or World-wide?

09-20-2006 02:55 PM

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OneSmartChick wrote:
I don’t know the specifics of the case?  Was it plea bargined to sexual battery to move it along because the prosecutor thought it was too tough to prosecute a rape?  Or was it attempted rape, and that’s why it was sexual battery – I don’t know.  No one on this board knows how much damage was done to the women – maybe that’s the reason behind the award.  If we don’t see the evidence, how do we know it’s not reasonable?   Maybe this college student was a part-time model and the guy smashed her face up – models generally earn above average wages – Then of course the compensatory damages would be higher – We don’t know enough.  Maybe the judge was applying a formula for these types of damages?   Maybe the judge was making an example out of this man so that other men won’t try to the same thing?  Maybe the judge was bought off ??

Rape conviction would be about 40 years in prison perhaps. This guy got a misdemeanor battery conviction and was sentenced to “one year of non-reporting supervision.” That’s one hell of a plea bargain I’d say. Any other incredulous thoughts you have?

09-20-2006 02:58 PM

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Listen porkchops38 – your nasty ass attitude is getting tiresome.  Educate yourself.  Rape gets plea bargined all the time.  To get the guy on something they will plea bargin.  Lack of physical evidence for example, she doesn’t let herself get smashed up in the face or he has the knife to her throat!!!!

09-20-2006 03:03 PM

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OneSmartChick wrote:
Explain to me how you know that half of the rapes did not actually happen.  Back up your statement.  Just because you don’t think they happened does not men the didn’t.  Where is your evidence?  Is this in the US?  Elsewhere?  Or World-wide?

Well sweetheart, if you had read anything I have written before, you would know that. A female cop in New York has been quoted in several places saying in New York there are 4,000 reported rapes, 2,000 of which simply didn’t happen. Hardly a epidemic in a State with 50 million people.

If you read anything but feminag propaganda you would know that Rape has the lowest conviction rate of any major crime. Anytime money is involved, I would think twice before convicting a man on a she said testimony.

Think of all the dishonest accountants you know of. I know alot of them, the ones stealing happned to be women, all of them. One lady stole millions of dollars from a doctor in Arkansas, another stole several million dollars from a business I deal with on a regular basis.

Who are women like Kobe Bryant’s accuser and the black Duke women, to be trusted, when their stories do not add up. She was drunk, passes out on the stairs, on the phone, with the men of Duke taking a time dated picture of her. Now that is a serious crime, its really hard to get a job after a rape conviction and time served. You women had your time to be believed and you have blown it. Anytime there is a she said conviction I am skeptical. Any woman, can say anything, and not get in trouble.

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09-20-2006 03:03 PM

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PatriarchVerlch
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OneSmartChick wrote:
Listen porkchops38 – your nasty ass attitude is getting tiresome.  Educate yourself.  Rape gets plea bargined all the time.  To get the guy on something they will plea bargin.  Lack of physical evidence for example, she doesn’t let herself get smashed up in the face or he has the knife to her throat!!!!

Little lady do you have the same amount of contempt for liars? If you do the crime, you should do the time, same with lying conniving women!

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09-20-2006 03:05 PM

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OneSmartChick wrote:
Listen porkchops38 – your nasty ass attitude is getting tiresome.  Educate yourself.  Rape gets plea bargined all the time.  To get the guy on something they will plea bargin.  Lack of physical evidence for example, she doesn’t let herself get smashed up in the face or he has the knife to her throat!!!!

Looks like someone forgot to take their happy pills today… that reminds me I have to buy 100 more shares of Merck, thanks for the reminder cupcake!

09-20-2006 03:21 PM

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Porkchops –  Wow – sounds like you haven’t been able to get it up again – let me buy more Pfizer!!!!

Thanks impotent waste!!!

09-20-2006 03:44 PM

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PatriarchVerlch
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OneSmartChick wrote:
Porkchops –  Wow – sounds like you haven’t been able to get it up again – let me buy more Pfizer!!!!

Thanks impotent waste!!!

I love it when you whores act like us men need some **bleep**, who was raised like a sailor, to dump our loads into.

How about we find a virgin, that isn’t a well traveled **bleep**, like you and your friends, and raise up a family!!!

Did you know married women are happiest married? Why do contentious nags like you try to destroy that? There are millions of barren 50 year old women, who wish they were still young enough to have children.

Yeah every man out there One Smart Whore is offering her services to all the men who haven’t been laid ever. She’ll even help you “get it up!”

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09-20-2006 03:58 PM

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OneDumbWhore wrote:
Porkchops –  Wow – sounds like you haven’t been able to get it up again – let me buy more Pfizer!!!!

Thanks impotent waste!!!

How long is this line?

And where do I make the deposit? In your purse or in your mouth?

Nothing like an angry bitter whore to save the day.

09-20-2006 04:33 PM

Re: $2.4 Million Date-Rape Settlement
Big_Daddy_Cool
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Big_Daddy_Cool

Someone put this ‘One-oversmart-bitch’ out of her misery…
just shut the **bleep** up bitch…stop arguing like a little ignorant retard.

09-20-2006 04:48 PM

Re: $2.4 Million Date-Rape Settlement
porkchops38
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porkchops38

OneSmartChick wrote:
Porkchops –  Wow – sounds like you haven’t been able to get it up again – let me buy more Pfizer!!!!

Thanks impotent waste!!!

If all the women in the world were like you then i”d need viagra by the truckload cupcake )))) until then phizer isnt on my list of stocks to buy

09-20-2006 05:21 PM

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OneSmartChick
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Dumbass –

I am going to capitalize you impotent **bleep** on your inability to get it up by buying the stock Pfizer.

I would NEVER, ever date a man like you, let alone sleep with you.  No offer given.  Besides, I am married to a man who does not have to put women down to feel good about himself.

He doesn’t go around spouting off hate and then wonder why no women wants to be with him.

The world is full of lonely men, with several marriages under their belt, with attitudes like most of you men, who wonder why they can’t make it with an intelligent, attractive women.  Intelligent, attractive accomplished women won’t have you – that’s why.

Wake up – we don’t care whether or not you marry us – career women or not!!!

09-20-2006 05:38 PM

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tellafriend
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OneDUMBBITCH wrote:
Bark Bark –

I am going to capitalize you impotent **bleep** on your inability to get it up by buying the stock Pfizer.

I would NEVER, ever date a man like you, let alone sleep with you.  No offer given.  Besides, I am married to a man who does not have to put women down to feel good about himself.

He doesn’t go around spouting off hate and then wonder why no women wants to be with him.

The world is full of lonely men, with several marriages under their belt, with attitudes like most of you men, who wonder why they can’t make it with an intelligent, attractive women.  Intelligent, attractive accomplished women won’t have you – that’s why.

Wake up – we don’t care whether or not you marry us – career women or not!!!

Haha, just like a deluded dumb biitch in denial, you’re assuming that fat fugly bull dyykes are at the top of a man’s mating list. You’re the same type of dumb biitch who ends up divorced at 40 and wondering why she can’t keep a man around. It’s okay, Pumpkin, you don’t have to hide that “trial separation” that’s right around the corner.

We both know that you’re angry and bitter over hotter younger women getting all the attention while you have to settle for an emasculated pussified yes-man. It’s enough for you to castrate him and save his balls in your purse, it’s not enough that you make him sit in a corner with a dunce cap on his head if he speaks out of turn. No you need ALL men under your thumb. You won’t be satisfied until all men who have rejected you are made to pay for not giving you the attention you so desperately craved in your prime. Now as a worthless old hag wagging her finger at men, you have to make yourself feel better by playing the boo-hoo-hoo professional victim and bitterly HOPING the men here don’t get laid.

Don’t worry, Pumpkin. I don’t date old hag that make last year’s Dove billboard ads look like warning posters for anorexia. A fat fugly bitter hippo like you should concentrate on keep your hubby in the dungeon. Because if he EVER sees the light of day or if he ever tunes in to Leykis 101, you’ll be divorced so fast, your pumpkin-sized head will spin.

Pray your emasculated puppet you call a “husband” doesn’t wake up and smell the menopause mustache.

The world is full of worthless old hags who continually yap yap yap and nag their husbands to death with their constant idiocy. May your hubby meet a swift and painless death to make up for the years of constant torture he has to endure being married to an old battleaxe like you.

And if you think any real man would marry a yapping incoherent fugly hag like you, you’re one brain cell away from a door knob.

09-20-2006 05:55 PM

Re: $2.4 Million Date-Rape Settlement
porkchops38
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OneSmartChick wrote:
Dumbass –

I am going to capitalize you impotent **bleep** on your inability to get it up by buying the stock Pfizer.

I would NEVER, ever date a man like you, let alone sleep with you.  No offer given.  Besides, I am married to a man who does not have to put women down to feel good about himself.

He doesn’t go around spouting off hate and then wonder why no women wants to be with him.

The world is full of lonely men, with several marriages under their belt, with attitudes like most of you men, who wonder why they can’t make it with an intelligent, attractive women.  Intelligent, attractive accomplished women won’t have you – that’s why.

Wake up – we don’t care whether or not you marry us – career women or not!!!

If you really want to know about my personal life, just ask, you don’t have to pretend to be ladylike by beating around the bush.

I’m already in a relationship with a career woman 9 years younger than I. She wants to get married, quit her job, and have kids. The problem is, I’m not marrying her no matter how many sweet nothings she whispers and no matter how she promises me that she’s not like all the other skanks. Don’t tell me to tell her that I’m not marrying her, it’s no use because she’ll soon enough be at my door stomping her feet like a 5-year old girl crying that she’s the one for me and if I don’t marry her I’m going to be lonely and miserable without her… boo hoo… You women should just get together and publish recordings of your shame tactics, as I’ve heard them over and over again like a broken record. “you’ll be lonely”, “i’m the woman for you”, blah blah blah blah….

In the mean time, I have found a couple of young girls in Asia and been chatting them up on yahoo. The feminazis have tried to stop American men from chatting with foreign women by getting IMBRA passed, but yahoo is not subject to IMBRA, so that’s about the only legal way I can chat with foreign women now, on yahoo. Anyways, I’ve found a decent woman in Malaysia, she’s 23 and just graduated from college. She offered to pay my air fare to go see her, which I thought she was joking at first, but turns out she’s serious. Her dad owns a construction company in Malaysia, and I got a glimpse of her house on her webcam at it looks like they live in some kind of marble mansion. As I have got to know her better, she confesses to me that it’s been her dream since she was a little girl that she would grow-up and marry an American or European man. One problem so far, is that she doesn’t want to live in America, so if I want to own her I have to live in Malaysia. She’s trying to sell me on Malaysia currently. Her religion is buddhist, she’s ethnic chinese, and she’s pretty and petite. I’m also having a similar relationship with a similar woman in Indonesia as well, although the Indonesian woman is 26.

Well, that’s my private life in a nutshell, next time just ask outright like a man would, there’s no need to beat around the bush pretending to be ladylike.

09-20-2006 08:13 PM

Sorry but the statistics on rape proffered by feminists are bogus…
moneyneversleep
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moneyneversleep

Not to a misdemeanor, dipsh*t.   Wake up, use some f*cking logic and be aware that if there was proof of rape, he would be convicted of a felony or forced to plead guilty to a felony.  That being said, a man charged with rape is not presumed innocent, he is presumed guilty andd typically does not have the right to face his accuser.  If he is acquitted they accusation itself follows him for the rest of his life, irrespective of whether he is guilty.  If the woman has levied a false accusation there is rarely, if ever, a penalty but he is still presumed to be rapist.  You are such a complete idiot.

Here’s an example:  http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/great-**bleep**-babe/24507/

“You’ll never convince six lucky Orange County guys that porn is bad: a single raunchy sex video is keeping them out of prison. Of course, these 20-year-olds couldn’t have foreseen this fate when they filmed their wild gangbang after a night of drinking at a Fullerton bar.

This tale begins in the wee hours of June 6, 2004, when a distraught Tamara Anne Moonier entered a Fullerton police station. She said she’d been kidnapped a few hours earlier from a parking lot at Heroes Bar & Grill, hooded and driven to an unknown residence. Moonier, then 28, told police that a group of men brutally raped her at gunpoint for more than an hour, forced her to perform numerous degrading sex acts on film, demanded her silence and then released her.

“She said she feared for her safety,” a law-enforcement officer told the Weekly.”

Had they not videotaped the event they would all be in prison for a rape they did not commit.

Another excellent example is the *assh*le who accused Kobe Bryant of rape.  He didn’t rape her.  She was looking for a payday, and got one.   She was porked by 3 guys, other than Kobe, within 2 days of her having sex with him and had sex again within 2 days of the “rape”.   Now, how many rape victims do you know who get the pipes cleaned right after they are raped with another man?  How many have another man’s s*men in their panties from the previous day when they said they didn’t have intercourse with anyone?

Yes, false accusations of rape occur quite often, not the majority of time, but quite often. We are hearing of a false case now @ Duke University.

“According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser.
Kanin found that most of the false accusers were motivated by a need for an alibi or a desire for revenge. Kanin was once well known and lauded by the feminist movement for his groundbreaking research on male sexual aggression. His studies on false rape accusations, however, received very little attention. Kanin’s findings are hardly unique. In 1985 the Air Force conducted a study of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it, that no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false. The most common reasons the women gave for falsely accusing rape were “spite or revenge,” and to compensate for feelings of guilt or shame (Forensic Science Digest, vol. 11. no. 4, December 1985). ”

09-20-2006 08:42 PM

Re: $2.4 Million Date-Rape Settlement
Happy_Bullet
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OneDumbArseFeminazi Wrote:

It is becoming more common after a criminal case, whatever the outcome, to sue for damages in the civil courts.

Gee thanks for that tidbit of trivia! No, we all live in caves so we wouldn’t know this. Is this preschool level fact supposed to distract us from your constant use of ad misericordiam arguments, shame manipulation and other assorted logical fallacies?? The scales don’t seem balanced to me.

OneDumbArseFeminazi Wrote:

I don’t know the specifics of the case? Was it
Was it A exceptional circumstance?
Was it B exceptional circumstance?

Was it Z exceptional circumstance?

What matters OneDumbFeminazi, is that contrary to your previous incredulous post:

Explain to me the compensation or “reward” one gets for being raped??!!

There is significant compensation. $127 billion a year in America, in fact.

Now, that you know that: “surely there must be a reason for those poor wikkle victims getting all that money right?”

Maybe you should just give up trying to get us to believe your man-hate is reasonable, and just out and out admit something like you think all men should be castrated to protect poor wikkle womyns. Get to the **bleep** point already.

Explain to me how you know that half of the rapes did not actually happen.

The point is presumption of innocence. Sounds like you have a problem with this, so I’ll direct your attention to the constitution, and International Human Rights Law:

The source (in anticipation of your idiotic request)

Article 11.

(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

Evidence of INNOCENCE should not be required you evil feminazi biitch

Incidentally, your posts on here are excellent “education” to oust dumbarse man-hating feminazis and why we should continue to avoid them for relationships.

How’s brainwashing that 10yr old boy, and/or your pussyboy husband going, by comparison to men who are educated as to what you are like? You must feel frustrated.. LOL.

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-20-2006 09:56 PM

Re: $2.4 Million Date-Rape Settlement
Cassius
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Even if the battering did take place, why should a woman be awarded any money ? That is so Anglo Saxon. All the money she should get is the one to undue the damage such as the costs for a therapy.

09-20-2006 10:12 PM

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PatriarchVerlch
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OneSmartChick wrote:
Dumbass –

I am going to capitalize you impotent **bleep** on your inability to get it up by buying the stock Pfizer.

I would NEVER, ever date a man like you, let alone sleep with you.  No offer given.  Besides, I am married to a man who does not have to put women down to feel good about himself.

He doesn’t go around spouting off hate and then wonder why no women wants to be with him.

The world is full of lonely men, with several marriages under their belt, with attitudes like most of you men, who wonder why they can’t make it with an intelligent, attractive women.  Intelligent, attractive accomplished women won’t have you – that’s why.

Wake up – we don’t care whether or not you marry us – career women or not!!!

OneStupidBitch…..
Well, I know this wasn’t addressed to me, but oh well, I’d like to comment.

WTFreak? Luckily there is a world full of women who are not self absorbed women like you. Ones that don’t care what feminists say happened to women 2 million years ago in the kitchen.

Luckily there are millions of women turning 18 every day to marry. Hopefully we can date them before they have learned to hate from women like you, with a warped sense of reality!

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

09-21-2006 01:08 AM

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Happy_Bullet
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Heh, seeing as everyone is having a go, I’ll pitch in

OneDumbArseFeminazi seems to have a bit of a problem with insecurity and has a tendency to overcompensate, starting with her nick. She sounds like she’s 40+ yet for some idiotic reason assumes that a 21yr old with a pleasant personality isn’t a galaxy preferable to her.

I would NEVER, ever date a man like you, let alone sleep with you. No offer given.

I don’t know whether he’ll become violently ill or commit hari kiri at that thought.

See, this is why I think you’re maybe a little insecure about your looks these days. I mean the fact that hardly any guy in their right mind would want anything to do with you is pretty much a given, but perhaps if you valued yourself for some other reason, like your non-existent intelligence, you might feel better about yourself.

I know I know you’re not really all that smart either. This is okay too because you’re psychotic. You don’t have to actually BE smart to THINK you are smart. So it’s all good see? There there.

Besides, I am married to a man who does not have to put women down to feel good about himself.

See I don’t get why you keep mentioning this, sistah. I mean, surely it’s a given that you’re in the least bit attractive and that 99.9999% of men wouldn’t rather die than get within 100 feet of you, so you’re secure in this belief and don’t need to compensate by trying to prove it with crap anecdotage, that may or may not be true, to anonymous guys on the Internet who told you they’d have an erectile disfunction if other women were like you… LOL

He doesn’t go around spouting off hate and then wonder why no women wants to be with him.

Heh heh that’s a pretty good description of career women that come on here and get their oversized drawers in a twist about Noer’s article.

The world is full of lonely men, with several marriages under their belt, with attitudes like most of you men, who wonder why they can’t make it with an intelligent, attractive women.

Hmm well first of all several marriages sounds pretty good to me. As long as I never see or hear from them again after I dump them. So.. how about we change that to several affairs with hot 21 yr olds so I can follow?

Secondly, attractive is good. Intelligent depends on your definition, if it means ‘incapable of logic feminazi’ then that’s not exactly a big loss see? Accomplished is pretty much completely irrelevant so that one really stings.. LOL.

So we’re back to hot 21 yr olds I think. Excellent! We’re in agreement then. We won’t get involved with 40+ year old man hating skanks, instead we’ll make fun of them on the internet and we’ll bang hot 21 yr olds.

I’m cool with that.

Wake up – we don’t care whether or not you marry us – career women or not!!!

Hey I thought it was agreed we’d be banging 21 yr olds (local or imported seems preferable depending on taste). You seem to be making the mistake that they’re all 40+ year old feminazi hoes who work at rape counselling hotlines for kicks and get all in a knot when someone says they ain’t sh*t.

Wake up – there is a constantly replenishing supply of more attractive women who don’t nag us to marry them… LMAO

How about you do this: Make sure your husband doesn’t agree with us by showing him this thread. If he exists that is. I f*cking DARE you to do it. If you’re not seriously insecure you will. Seriously I want to see a post by him to me personally before you post again.

HEAR THAT PUSSYBOY. GET OUT HERE. YOUR DUMB BIITCH WIFE NEEDS YOU.

Message Edited by Happy_Bullet on 09-21-2006 03:16 AM

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-21-2006 02:16 AM

Re: $2.4 Million Date-Rape Settlement
porkchops38
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porkchops38
Something else to keep in mind, is that many men today who are married or stay married, are miserable in marriage.

So, if you’re a single self-respecting guy, if you sign on the dotted line, you should realize that you have a 50% to 60% chance that you’ll be divorced, and a 70% chance that your wife is the one who will initiate the divorce, and if you stay married or never get divorced you face a high probability that you will be miserable in marriage.

09-21-2006 09:31 AM

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Diogetrix
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Diogetrix

Porkchops saith:

‘Something else to keep in mind, is that many men today who are married or stay married, are miserable in marriage.

So, if you’re a single self-respecting guy, if you sign on the dotted line, you should realize that you have a 50% to 60% chance that you’ll be divorced, and a 70% chance that your wife is the one who will initiate the divorce, and if you stay married or never get divorced you face a high probability that you will be miserable in marriage.’

and in thus saying, proves once again how the truth often goes unseen amid the rhetoric and assumptions. ‘Staying married’ doesn’t equal being happy.’ You’re so right on, dude.

09-21-2006 04:11 PM

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khankrumthebulg
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Prosecutors around the country concede that a high percentage of Rape accusations are bogus. That is why the conviction rates are declining. Secondly the broad interpretation of what constitutes Rape is so broad as to be meaningless.

Women are making accusations after inebriation and then the day after a consentual Sexual encounter, having remorse and making a false accusation. The Date Rape scenario is utter nonsense. Women are not being held accountable for false rape accusations.

The number of false rape accusations is growing due to the financial opportunities and Feminist propaganda. There are no restraints on Women’s behavior anymore none.

09-23-2006 11:30 AM

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MartianBachelor
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“Secondly the broad interpretation of what constitutes Rape is so broad as to be meaningless.”

This is something we’ve not talked about much. And I can’t say I know much about the details of very many cases, but it seems to me that a uniform standard of “if she can get up and just walk away from the situation before anything’s happened, it’s NOT rape” should be something the men’s rights movement makes one of its platforms.

Whenever I see/hear the news reports this is the question I find myself asking, but it’s usually very difficult to determine the answer to from the info given, and I can never understand why more attention isn’t payed to it. It’s the same with many DV cases: why didn’t she just leave?

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09-23-2006 07:58 PM

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Cassius
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Women gettin awarded millions for a case like this is the consequence of the faulty anglo saxon court system, which is not about justice and the law, but power. The outrage comes to late too little, where was the outrage when people got awarded millions from companies just because say the burned themselfs with hot McDonalds coffee.

09-23-2006 09:51 PM

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MartianBachelor
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“…the consequence of the faulty anglo saxon court system, which is not about justice and the law, but power.”

Interesting observation. Being an irrepressible idealist I never would have thought of that statement even though I can immediately see the truth in it. I’d just probably insert the word “always” in front of the word “about”, since I’m not a total cynic (on a good day at least).

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09-23-2006 11:21 PM

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Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet

Whenever I see/hear the news reports this is the question I find myself asking, but it’s usually very difficult to determine the answer to from the info given, and I can never understand why more attention isn’t payed to it. It’s the same with many DV cases: why didn’t she just leave?

It seems obvious to us, as people that are held accountable for our actions.

The common answer to this from women, in DV situations is “I was too afraid to leave”. ie. she was “afraid the husband would track her down and hurt her if she left.”

Obvious bs of course, but in today’s society, women are used to manipulating people into doing things, by abdication of responsibility. Any old reason for adbicating responsibility is good enough.

In the DV case, it is she will stay at home and hold the threat of a DV conviction over her spouses head to get him to do what she wants.

In the rape case, it is “I was too afraid to not go along with it.” Same diff. If the guy is completely responsible, and if he fails to live up to her demands, he is guilty of rape, how perfect a situation is that for her?

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-24-2006 12:41 AM

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MartianBachelor
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I think that’s an excellent description of what’s going on.

But I also see a glimmer of hope in it because, in spite of what some feminists claim, there are upper and upper-middle class enclaves where DV is really rather rare — the kind of old-fashioned under-shirt without sleeves which really was made to be worn under another shirt isn’t, when it’s worn alone, called a “wife-beater” for nothing. So I can claim to have actually heard Oprah ask in a pleading and non-rhetorical fashion the question, with regard to a woman on her show telling her DV story, “why didn’t you just leave (dammit)?” (dammit) Oprah could have been putting on for all I really know, but the audience seemed to be of the same mind as her, at least the ones the camera flashed to briefly. So perhaps the door is slightly open on this. I don’t know, maybe I’m deluding myself.

The answer to the contention of “being afraid” would seem to be to ask “but if you’re afraid a car is going to run you over, you still jump out of the way, don’t you?”. In other words, I think it’s incumbent to say something like “even if you were afraid, you still needed to take some action which would have made him respond either with an actual credible threat of force or an acquiescence that you were just going to call his bluff and leave”. Because the data do show that in real rapes real women do resist, often quite vehemently. And the closer a woman is to the peak of her reproductive potential (i.e., being in her teens or twenties) the more likely she is to fight back and even to escalate her resistance substantially, and also the less psychological trauma she subsequently experiences the more she does so. All this is pretty much common sense, and one really only needs to sample one or two rape “romances” to see the typical script as both the woman writers and their female readers understand it. Hence, her saying “he didn’t have a weapon or really threaten me all that much, but I felt threatened and was so afraid (anyway), and then he raped me” shouldn’t fly. Maybe it doesn’t in most cases; like I said, I don’t know. The data extant is biased to the less or non-ambiguous cases where a criminal conviction occurred. It just seems like “being afraid” is grounds for obtaining a restraining order, not for being raped.

“…she was afraid the husband would track her down and hurt her if she left … Obvious bs of course…”

No, not at all. This does actually happen and it’s a pretty well-documented DV phenomenon that I have no reason to doubt the essential truth of. In fact 10+ years ago I lived next door to just such a murder/suicide that was precipitated by the woman taking the baby and trying to leave; it was a minor local scandal because the man had voluntarily gone to the county mental health office for help several days before and had been turned away for vague reasons (I think he failed to mention he’d been strung out on coke for so long that he was starting to lose it entirely and/or that he was thinking about violence – maybe he wasn’t at that point). The solution is for the woman just to leave quickly and stealthily when the guy’s away (the idea behind shelters), not to announce it in person and bring on some sort of showdown. The threat to leave is to some relationships what nukes are to regular warfare. There’s even a good scientific/evolutionary basis for the phenomenon happening, which derives from people getting upset at the prospect of suddenly losing all they’ve invested in a relationship. It works either way, for both sexes (reference the movie Fatal Attraction). So while I agree there’s often BS coming out of the DV industry so far as theory and politics are concerned, this I don’t have a problem with – except that because it does work both ways men need shelters to be able to go to also for exactly the same reasons women do.

But in the rape situation it does bring up the difference between circumstances where the person is an acquaintance and when he isn’t.

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09-24-2006 06:00 AM

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