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Reader Response to “Don’t Marry Career Women” – Foreign Brides

Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay

Any guys here know from either personal experience or experience through friends about foreign bride / dating websites ?  Seems to me it could be worth a shot as long as the foreign women are serious about things.

For example, I found a site  http://www.getmarriednow.com  and many of them seem hot enough.  I would think that some out there are legit while some would have their share of scam artists.

I do know of one guy who went the route of getting a foreign bride.  He traveled thousands of mile to Latin America to marry her and bring her back to North America.  As far as I know, they are still married.

09-24-2006 06:56 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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Hey Hallady – Why don’t you show your foreign bride to be the posts you make about women here on the board – that will make her want to marry you and stay in her place (ha).    And of course, the Russian woman who is a scientist or doctor in her country is going to want to come over here and cook your food and pump out babies.  She will never want to use her degree again – yeah right!!!   Good luck!!!

09-24-2006 07:06 PM

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Halladay
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“Hey Hallady – Why don’t you show your foreign bride to be the posts you make about women here on the board -”

I’ll be glad to show them to anyone who wants to see them.  My remarks will stack up especially well against yours

“And of course, the Russian woman who is a scientist or doctor in her country is going to want to come over here and cook your food and pump out babies.”

Are you jealous of women having babies ?  Is this a problem for you ?

09-24-2006 07:10 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

I have no problem with babies – do you?

I am sure if you showed your bride to be most posts about feminism being about equal opportunity – most women will agree – Heck, especially those ladies in Russia.

You did not get it – but that’s not surprising.  The point is a woman who is a doctor or scientist in her home country – is going to most likely want to use her mind when she comes here.  Given the fact that most of you men and I say most on this board – have an issue with a woman who has a career – you are most likely not going to get away from it.   And, she will be covered under the laws of the US if you settle her so you are not going to be able to knock her around to beat her education and ambition out of her – then what ever will you guys do?

09-24-2006 07:17 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Back2TheKitchen
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Back2TheKitchen
Halladay, you know the following site is doing something right if it pisses American Women off:

I am just taking a moment to write because I came across your site on the internet while researching the legality of mail order bride services. I am not going to tell you anything you do not already know. You must realize that the only reason males look for brides from impoverished nations is because these are the only women who are desperate enough to pretend to care about you. If these mail order brides from Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe, etc. were financially independent, or had any options in their home countries, they would not even give you the time of day. You have struck out with American women because you have nothing to offer. I´m not speaking about monetary wealth here; I´m saying you have no good qualities at all. Surprise! Did it ever occur to you that the things you look for in a woman might be similar to the qualities that women look for in men? (That is, women who have options). Kindness, intelligence, sense of humor, morality – these are all desirable qualities, none of which have anything to do with money. You are just trying to console yourself for being undesirable by saying that American women only want “Mr. Big”. The only thing you can offer is passage to America and a possible green card (things that American women do not need). So you provide these things to lure vulnerable young women away from lives of poverty. Are you at all embarrassed or ashamed about that? You do realize that there is nothing about you as a person that would make anyone want to marry you, only things that you happen to possess by virtue of being lucky enough to be born in the U.S. You are trying to get something you do not deserve: love, loyalty, respect, companionship. News Flash: If you have to pay someone to be around you, then the relationship is not real. Accept the fact that you are a loser, doomed to be alone, or content yourself with finding another loser like yourself who may want to be with you. Lower your standards to what you can reasonably attain, and leave these poor, vulnerable women alone. I want to cry when I think of the horror these women face when they are stuck with losers like you.

Sincerely,

Amy XXXXXXX

http://www.latin-wife.com/hate_mail.asp

American men make the best husbands in the world.

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“With women or the female mindset imparted through feminization on the vast majority of society, it will be very easy to control the Empire…I mean…the republic.” – mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com

09-24-2006 07:20 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay

“I have no problem with babies – do you?”

you are the one that brought it up.  babies don’t fit your feminist template

“You did not get it – but that’s not surprising”

i’m not bending to your feminist piece of garbage and that’s the only thing not surprising.

“if you settle her so you are not going to be able to knock her around to beat”

what is this recurring busines to you about knocking women around beating ?  did you try beating up a little boy or something sometime in your life and found out that he would be more than willing to defend himself ?  did you lay out in stunned amazement that a guy would actually defend himself from you or something ?

09-24-2006 07:21 PM

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HappyMom
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“I am sure if you showed your bride to be most posts about feminism being about equal opportunity – most women will agree – Heck, especially those ladies in Russia. ”

Nice try. Feminism is about bull-dykes getting political power by encouraging women to act like men. You’re just mad he might meet someone who enjoys making him happy.

09-24-2006 07:28 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

If you guys have every visited any Eastern European countries as I have, the people by and large are poor (when compared to Western standards)

I don’t think that an educated, career minded women in those types of countries would marry you for your money.  For example, a woman who is a teacher, doctor or engineer in Russia.   They can still get a job and somewhat support themselves if they stayed put.   A woman in Latin America (for example) who had no other options than being a prostitute would be a woman who would be MORE likely to use you.  Say anything to get the the US.  And especially to get a green card.

The letter written by the “pissed off” woman, as you say, does give men a very reasonable warning.   I am at a loss to explain her anger toward American men for going overseas to marry – who cares!

09-24-2006 07:29 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

HappyMom –

It is a well documented that one of the reasons foreign women like to come to the US is the opportunities presented for women in comparison to the ones available in their country.  This is not so true of the Nordic countries or Western Europe

09-24-2006 07:31 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay

“If you guys have every visited any Eastern European countries as I have, the people by and large are poor (when compared to Western standards)”

So what you snobbish bitch ?  Better to take on a poor but rather cute eastern european woman than your feminist careerist ass.

“The letter written by the “pissed off” woman, as you say, does give men a very reasonable warning.   I am at a loss to explain her anger toward American men for going overseas to marry – who cares!”

A Warning ?  And if men do not bend… then what are you going to do ?  Are you threatening men with  something ?

09-24-2006 07:33 PM

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OneSmartChick
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Again – what are you going to do if that doctor, engineer or teacher that you bring over from a foreign country and marry wants to –  GASP – work?

what is this recurring busines to you about knocking women around beating ?  did you try beating up a little boy or something sometime in your life and found out that he would be more than willing to defend himself ?  did you lay out in stunned amazement that a guy would actually defend himself from you or something

No, I don’t settle disagreements with violence.  I guarantee that any man who hit me would find himself in jail – I have a zero tolerance for domestic violence and would only hit someone to defend myself.  Domestic violence is about control and this is a way that men can try to control “his women” so again – I ask the question – if your foreign wife wants to – gasp – have a career how will you go about keeping her from doing this or controling her?  Reasonable question given the forum and your feelings about women with a career – Why can’t you answer the question?   You would rather write back jibber jabber….

09-24-2006 07:37 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay

“what are you going to do if that doctor, engineer or teacher that you bring over from a foreign country and marry wants to ”

what makes you think i’m going to marry a doctor ?  is their population overloaded with doctors ?  is there a doctor or engineer over there lurking at every corner ?

i doubt it

09-24-2006 07:42 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

“If you guys have every visited any Eastern European countries as I have, the people by and large are poor (when compared to Western standards)”

So what you snobbish bitch ?  Better to take on a poor but rather cute eastern european woman than your feminist careerist ass.  There are plenty of cute women in the US and all over the world – so what?  Your issue is that American women are not suitable because they wish to have careers.  So do women in foreign countries – news flash (maybe for you?)

“The letter written by the “pissed off” woman, as you say, does give men a very reasonable warning.   I am at a loss to explain her anger toward American men for going overseas to marry – who cares!”

A Warning ?  And if men do not bend… then what are you going to do ?  Are you threatening men with  something ?  You are soooo stupid – did you not read what the women wrote??????  She indicated (to summarize) to be careful, many of the poor women have nothing left to loose and will gladly marry anyone to be out of their current circumstances.

09-24-2006 07:43 PM

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Halladay
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Halladay

“You are soooo stupid – did you not read what the women wrote??????  She indicated (to summarize) to be careful, many of the poor women have nothing left to loose and will gladly marry anyone to be out of their current circumstances”

No the imbra article wants to regulate men’s choices.  And on this original thread I asked if there were any guys out there who had experience about foreign bride / dating webisites.  Glad to hear you are a guy.

09-24-2006 07:49 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

A little education for you Hallady –

I have lived in Russia and parts of Eastern Europe.  Many of the women on these foreign bride websites from this part of the world have university educations.  Colleges are state run and very competitive – once one gets in, the state pays the marjority of their fees.   One of the main reasons they want out is their economies are so awful (snobbish or not – they are poor – get it?).   They are teachers, engineers, economists, etc.  Most that I have befriend are extremely intelligent and friendly.  They are career minded and want to make their countries better.  They do not like to marry men in their country – a lot of them spend their time drunk and they tend to play around.    In short – to these women – they make awful husbands.

09-24-2006 07:50 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay

“snobbish or not – they are poor – get it?). ”

i can handle it , snobbish piece of work.  don’t worry about it.

“Most that I have befriend are extremely intelligent and friendly. ”

that’s great news and i’m happy to hear it.  too bad it doesn’t apply to you.

“Colleges are state run and very competitive ”

last i checked it is the same here

09-24-2006 07:53 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

“You are soooo stupid – did you not read what the women wrote??????  She indicated (to summarize) to be careful, many of the poor women have nothing left to loose and will gladly marry anyone to be out of their current circumstances”

No the imbra article wants to regulate men’s choices.  And on this original thread I asked if there were any guys out there who had experience about foreign bride / dating webisites.  Glad to hear you are a guy.

I DON’T CARE IF YOU GO AND MARRY A FOREIGNER!!!!  CAN I MAKE THAT ANYMORE CLEAR???  SERIOUSLY I DON’T…  AND NO, I AM NOT A GUY.  ARE YOU?  I BELIEVE THAT I AM ON TOPIC.  CAREER WOMEN AND MARRIAGE.

09-24-2006 07:53 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay

“AND NO, I AM NOT A GUY.  ARE YOU?  I BELIEVE THAT I AM ON TOPIC.  CAREER WOMEN AND MARRIAGE. ”

well if you aren’t a guy then why are you responding to my original question intended for guys ?  do you want to be a guy or something ? and my original title for this thread is foreign brides.

09-24-2006 07:55 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

Halladay – Colleges in this country are not paid for by the state fully.  There are plenty of private colleges.

You reply with jibberish – How are you going to control that woman of yours if she wants to use her brain and have a career?

09-24-2006 07:55 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

Maybe HappyMom is a guy????

09-24-2006 07:56 PM

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Halladay
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Halladay

“You reply with jibberish – How are you going to control that woman of yours if she wants to use her brain and have a career? ”

i haven’t said anything about control.. you just assume it.

And there are plenty of women who want to control guys.  You don’t have a problem with that though do you ? HAHAHAHAHA

09-24-2006 07:58 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

Halladay –

Go to Goggle, and put in your seach criteria – “foreign brides, “mail order brides”- see how easy?  And you don’t even need a college degree or smarts – should be easy for you then!!!!!!!!

And yes, you are off topic….not me!!!!!!

09-24-2006 07:58 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay

“Maybe HappyMom is a guy????”

so this means it is alright for you to be ?

09-24-2006 08:00 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay

“And yes, you are off topic….not me!!!!!! ”

HAHAHAHA..

09-24-2006 08:01 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Tahirih
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Tahirih

Google IMBRA – you will see the most intense most public feminist-antifeminist battle raging – actually the first time at the federal court level

09-24-2006 08:05 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

“You reply with jibberish – How are you going to control that woman of yours if she wants to use her brain and have a career? ”  Okay – one more time for the slow bus – you have indicated through your posts that a woman who has a career is a bad wife – how are you going to stop the foreign bride, that you spend time and money to bring here – from wanting a career and thus pursuing it?

i haven’t said anything about control.. you just assume it.  (For the slow bus – see above)

And there are plenty of women who want to control guys.  You don’t have a problem with that though do you ? HAHAHAHAHA  I don’t know many women who want to control men – now I do know many situations where the women want men to live up to their responsibilities – that may seem like controling.  It really is a part of being an adult.    Especially the single parents I know who are women – they have issues with their ex-husbands trying to dodge their responsibilities to their children.   When you make a child with someone, it’s a huge commitment and responsibilty.  When the government has to step in to make you suppport your child – it’s a sad day indeed.

09-24-2006 08:06 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

“Maybe HappyMom is a guy????”

so this means it is alright for you to be ?

And your logic is????????

09-24-2006 08:08 PM

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Halladay
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Halladay

“I don’t know many women who want to control men – ”

HAHAHAHA ..  no women just sit around like pet rocks.

“how are you going to stop the foreign bride, that you spend time and money to bring here – from wanting a career and thus pursuing it? ”

if she comes here to live it will be a very serious step on her part too.  if i left my country for another one, the same would apply to me.  i would find myself a young woman in her early to mid twenties who wanted marriage and children first.  above all other things.  i would get an idea from her how much she opposes western feminism.  i would do many more things but this is part of it.

09-24-2006 08:12 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay

“Maybe HappyMom is a guy????”

so this means it is alright for you to be ?

And your logic is????????

evidently more than yours

09-24-2006 08:13 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Diogetrix
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Diogetrix

I used one of the services starting in ’87, and wrote (no internet then) to many – like hundreds. I was pretty burned out on women by then, and since I was going with some Asian girls here I didn’t pursue it whole heartedly. To my surprise in ’92 a Chinese girl from Maylasia came here to see me. She paid her own way. She was very cute and good natured and more liberated than American women (sexually, spiritually, and in other ways not implying unneccessary willfulness.) That’s a warning: Third world people have First World consciousness – and in the case of Asians, they’re more sophisticated, smart, sensitive, and hard working AND hard loving than most Ameircans. She lived with me for six months – the duration of her visa. Her home town in Maylasia was a village, and she carried water from and did laundry in the river with the other women. Once, when we walked into the orchard at my mother’s house, she turned ridgid and held me back like a point man who’d seen a sniper; Mom had put a plastic lizzard high in a tree to scare birds, and she spotted it instantly in the bare branches against the dim sky at dusk. The funny thing is, although she grew up in a large rice farmer family with mats over dirt floors and basically a thatched hut, she was more poised and comfortable in public and at social functions that any American female I’ve known. Even my (ex) wife, who was a well to do art major and took her MFA at a prestigious East Coast University, and who was a social climber, couldn’t compare for the simple reason that the Chinese girl would never think of embarassing me or putting me down in public. The first sign that there was going to be trouble was with the wives, mothers, sisters, and female friends of my friends. They worked on her every chance they got, and if I were a normal American man almost all of it would have gone over my head. But, I saw clearly that if she stayed and married me our friends would be a very select group, and mostly Chinese. If I had brains, I would have learned to speak Chinese when I was young. That is generally the key to acceptance with Chinese. Luckily, I did have many Chinese and Vietnamese friends here already, and they were great. Since they knew me already, there wasn’t much anger at my being ‘crazy for Chinese girls.’ Asian men have reason to be angry about us, but there is no choice if the choice is to marry our own American women. We decided not to marry, although she would have liked to stay in the States. It was mostly my fault for being burned out, I think. If I had begged her to stay, and could have told her honestly that I loved and needed her, she would have. I know this as certainly as I know anything. Even though she left because we weren’t in love, we wrote often over the next year and a half or more. She finally married a Chinese man in Maylasia, and sent some letters and photos secretly – he would not have approved, of course. There have been several Asians locally who wanted me – one was pretty well taken with me and set on getting me, but I’m getting old and cynical, and between ’93 and ’98 I was saddled with elder care of my mother, and my sister made it a living hell – fearful I was going to steal the estate, etc. It was a legal mess excluding her from the home after she became physically abusive to our mother – all 94 pounds of frail Mom, and 200+ pounds of Sister. Very ugly. I mention this because the only nurses or caregivers, housekeepers, aids that could be trusted in the whole five years of taking care of my mother were Asians – most sent by my Chinese friends. The American women sabotaged me in virtually any and every way they could, while Sister made clandestine phone calls and other communications threatening the Asians and collaborating with the Ameircan females. I can assure you, after that gruelling experience I will never associate voluntarily with an American woman again.
So, my advice is that your best shot at happiness is to get out of the country, and if that is not possible try to establish a network of friends who are ‘inter’ married or who are supportive. And, you will have to guard against the effects of American society ruining both your and your foreign lady’s happiness. Naturally, there are vast differences between individual women’s character, and if you bring one here she might be corrupted. Women are more influenced and dominated by other women than men are by other men, but foreign women of good character already know that Ameircan women are junk, and so they will be somewhat immune if they really want to be good wives. I could go on forever …

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09-24-2006 08:14 PM

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Halladay
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Halladay

“Women are more influenced and dominated by other women than men are by other men, but foreign women of good character already know that Ameircan women are junk, and so they will be somewhat immune if they really want to be good wives. I could go on forever … ”

i bet you can.  american men know that career feminist american women are worse than junk.  at least one can dispose of junk and be rid of it.  but career feminist american women want to regulate men’s lives

09-24-2006 08:18 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
SM777
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SM777
Gentlemen,

It seems that the potential competition from foreign women is really driving the alleged ” OneSmartChick ” completely batty.

In fact, the competition seems to be bothering her so badly that she is resorting to personal insults.

Gentlemen, tell your friends what american women are really like and give examples like the man-hating arrogant feminist that keeps posting on this thread. The more men that know the better.

Feminazis, er, I mean american women really can’t stand the idea of foreign women who would actually love and respect american men (and, of course, would receive that love and respect in return).

This is why I recommend completely ignoring american women and exclusively pursuing foreign women.

Just remember, I you are going to get married, I recommend expatriating first. No need to give anyone the chance to financially rape you in the amerikan divorce court system.

09-24-2006 09:26 PM

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
My Japanese wife, college educated, with career, is fully aware of my MRA activities.

Having showed her a few Feminist books and the Communist Manefesto, she is clear that Feminism leads only to death.

Life with her reminds me of an old saying, “Behind every good man is a better woman.”

God bless traditional women! Wherever they be found.

09-24-2006 09:50 PM

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Halladay
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Halladay

SM777

“Gentlemen,

It seems that the potential competition from foreign women is really driving the alleged ” OneSmartChick ” completely batty.”

Yes.. Halloween has come several weeks early for her.. enough for her to escape her daark cave and go on a rant towards me .

“In fact, the competition seems to be bothering her so badly that she is resorting to personal insults”

Yes .. and then on the other hand wants to pretend how lady like she is.  lady ?  more like bitchy batty woman to me.   and then has the nerve to put down women of eastern europe with the attitude they don’t earn what westerners do.

i’ll take a cute eastern european woman not brainwashed in years of western feminism over her panzy career lookin ass anyday

09-24-2006 10:10 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
HappyMom
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HappyMom

OSC
It doesn’t matter whether I am what I claim to be or not. I do know that it gets under your skin that there are women out there who think that women were never oppressed, feminism will hurt women more than it will help them, feminism wants women in the perpetual, childlike victim role in order to cobtrol them, and that homosexuality is wrong and is a leading force in the so-called women’s liberation movement.

On several posts here you have suggested I will one day need the feminist movement as I will fall into some dire straights such as my husband leaving me for a trophy wife or falling into some tragedy. These possibilities are far-fetched to say the least. Only %5 of married men cheat. That figure would be lower were it not fir all the liberated feminists willing to sleep with other people’s husbands. The no-fault divorce laws you insist upon do nothing but destabilize marriages and therefore hurt men, women and children.

Your warnings to Halladay drip with insincerity when put in context of your others posts wishing my marriage to fall apart and ypur support a myriad of terrible laws that have done nothing but create painful chaos in people’s lives.

You continue to imply that the dykes(and don’t even try to argue they aren’t!) leading the women’s movement have  my best interests at heart. They don’t. they want to interfere in and control the lives of anyone who doesn’t tow the party line. Women like you tried to guilt me into joining your ranks. Luckily I could see that throuhg your guise of caring about women and rescuing them from the big bad men, you only ever support policies that are destructive.

I was raised by a feminist and I had many run-ins with them and their hypocracy at school. I realized early on they only want to recruit and get young women to support their cause at the cost of the young womens’ happiness.   You all want control. You want to force people to view all of history through the skewed lense of men’s oppression of women. What was really going on was that men were <i>protecting</i> women.

Edit to add:
You also have some fat nerve shaming these men for looking overseas for brides when these laws and attitudes that you promote are directly responisble for the fact that they view American women with contempt. I pity the poor, sweet American girls who would be happy with a good, old fashioned happy family. The types of girls you try to guilt into wanting something more, something unrealistic out of this world.

Further, if you have been to Eastern Europe(and really, haven’t they suffered enough?) then you have seen true oppression. How on earth can you look at the cush y lives us Americans lead and nitpick every last thing men do that doesn’t involve telling you how wonderful you are?

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09-24-2006 10:19 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay

Happymom

“Your warnings to Halladay drip with insincerity when put in context of your others posts wishing my marriage to fall apart ”

She wished your marriage to fall apart ?  That figures.  She doesn’t want happy marriages that produce kids.

Her view goes something like this..

1. Have a kid ?  You were obviously raped.
2. Have a happy marriage ?  You are just “controlled” by the guy
3. Don’t agree with her ?  You are so stupid
4. Don’t find her career feminist ass attractive ?  Well, she’ll just campaign to limit my choices of  foreign women
5. Foreign women ?  EWWW.. they are beneath western women just look at their salaries

So to sum her up.. Victimhood over motherhood , career woman over a real woman, bitch parading around as lady over a real lady.

09-24-2006 11:27 PM

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HappyMom
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HappyMom

Basically, on one thread she said something to the effect that my husband woul probably leave for a trophy wife(I guess she thinks I am not attractive or interesting enough to maintain his affections) someday and on another thread that something terrible might befall him thus necessitating that I work. In both instances she images I would come running to the feminists for help – wrong!

She doesn’t like the fact that I believe men should rule the households or that I am “pumping out babies” for him. Apperently, men have no say in how many children they have – it should all be up to the women. She said this out of “concern” for my health due to having too many children (according to her) or that he would abuse his authority(i.e. protective men are only abusive in her eyes.)

She would like nothing more than for me to kick my husband, my children’s father, the curb and grovel at her feet and thank her for the honor because dumb ole me needs her to steer me right. She would like nothing more than for you all to take estrogen pills and tell her how sorry you are for all her disapointments in life- and ther are many – she sees them all as mens’ fault.

09-24-2006 11:59 PM

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Halladay
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Halladay

Happymom

“She doesn’t like the fact that I believe men should rule the households or that I am “pumping out babies” for him”

Better for you to pump out babies for your man than for her to come here pump out hot gas from her mouth.

“Basically, on one thread she said something to the effect that my husband woul probably leave for a trophy wife”

Well he sure as bleep won’t be leaving for her .

“She said this out of “concern” for my health due to having too many children ”

Maybe she should be concerned about her own health due to giving birth to too many power point presentations and conference calls

09-25-2006 12:07 AM

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Diogetrix
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Diogetrix

Maybe it’s time for the self proclaimed married feminists and career women in here to volunteer somehow to both show us their happy husbands, and allow us to speak to their husbands. Might be another consciousness raising experience.

09-25-2006 12:09 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
HappyMom
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HappyMom

Exactly, Halladay! LOL

We’re leaving for vacation tomorrow so have a good week! Hopefully when I get back there will be lots of nice tongue lashings to the feminists for me to read

Message Edited by HappyMom on 09-25-200612:30 AM

09-25-2006 12:12 AM

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Re: Foreign Brides
ericw
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ericw

Halladay:

You only want a foreign bride as they are: poor, generally uneducated and easily exploitable and used to lives where they abused, walking around uneducated, barefooted and pregnant.  The rest, well, they only want you for your green card and will dump you as soon as they get to the US.  Most likely you’ll beat her into submission until perhaps, she can somehow escape your constant abuse.  Why else would you want a “mail order bride”?

Well at least this is the constant “BS” you will hear OVER and OVER from countless women in North America.  Personally I think they feel very threatened by men dating elsewhere and thus tend to be very racist in thier comments.  IMO, if you want to date “wanna-be-men” and get your as* raped in court date the women in North America — if you want to date real WOMEN and have one day plan to have children, date overseas.

Who cares what N. American women think?  It is YOUR life, do some research, ask other MEN for advice and head overseas to date women if you feel inclined to do so.  Who knows, you may even decide to work or live in another country one day.

Most of my friends are either staying single, or dating/marrying foreign women.  The relationships I have watched with foreign women have all turned out.  With one exception, all the marriages with North American women I have seen have ended in divorce.  Even my sisters have been divorced – each TWICE !

I would strongly suggest you either: not marry or if you want a family (read: CHILDREN) and a good wife/mother, marry a foreign born women and consider moving.  I would also encourage you to TRAVEL there, get to know the women first hand.  Internet dating, IMO, is not nearly as good as meeting women in person.

That is what I would do.

Good luck, on whatever path you choose!

09-25-2006 12:33 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
PatriarchVerlch
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PatriarchVerlch

OneSmartChick wrote:
Hey Hallady – Why don’t you show your foreign bride to be the posts you make about women here on the board – that will make her want to marry you and stay in her place (ha).    And of course, the Russian woman who is a scientist or doctor in her country is going to want to come over here and cook your food and pump out babies.  She will never want to use her degree again – yeah right!!!   Good luck!!!

Actually OneStupidBitch, Russian women love American men, we do things their men do not do. We open doors, pull out chairs, and in their country you can back hand a bitch and not get in trouble for it. So guess what, the women are a lot nicer than your overpriced fat asses.

Russia is very poor right now, and yes, there are millions of good looking women who would like a stable man, in a successful country like ours!

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

09-25-2006 12:38 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
PatriarchVerlch
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PatriarchVerlch

HappyMom wrote:
“I am sure if you showed your bride to be most posts about feminism being about equal opportunity – most women will agree – Heck, especially those ladies in Russia. ”

Nice try. Feminism is about bull-dykes getting political power by encouraging women to act like men. You’re just mad he might meet someone who enjoys making him happy.

What is wrong with a man with a smile on his face. Why is that so gut wrenching for feminists?

I would hold the door open for women like you! Tell your husband your lucky to have found a woman that loves a happy and satisfied man!! Keep up the good work, best of luck!!!!

Patriarch Verlch, In all his earthly glory (which is not much)!!!

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

09-25-2006 12:43 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay
“Maybe it’s time for the self proclaimed married feminists and career women in here to volunteer somehow to both show us their happy husbands, and allow us to speak to their husbands.”

good idea but why should they let their husbands speak when they can speak for them ? you know.. they’ve been speaking on behalf of ALL women for all these years lol

09-25-2006 12:47 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
PatriarchVerlch
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PatriarchVerlch

OneSmartChick wrote:
HappyMom –

It is a well documented that one of the reasons foreign women like to come to the US is the opportunities presented for women in comparison to the ones available in their country.  This is not so true of the Nordic countries or Western Europe

Boy, why do you call yourself smart?

Did you listen? The divorce rate with American men and foreign wives is 10%. There is security in marrying American men.

Here are the things we have.
1. Security
2. A roof over your head
3. Food in your stomach
4. A healthy environment to raise children in
5. A car 90% of the world doesn’t drive.
6. We are nice, we don’t hit them (contrary to feminist BS)
7. Running water
8. Money to do fun stuff

What more do you need OneBigMouthedBitch?

Here is what feminist inspired the half of American women think.

1. Me
2. Me
3. Me
4. Me
….
100. Me
….
200,005. Me
….
1,000,000. Me
1,000,100. Water Table Levels in Africa
1,000,101. A$$hold husband (What her ‘smart’ girl friends think of him for costing them their **bleep** around buddy, until they are hitched of course, then they are on the me train with the half of American women).

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

09-25-2006 12:51 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay
ericw

“I would strongly suggest you either: not marry or if you want a family (read: CHILDREN) and a good wife/mother, marry a foreign born women and consider moving. I would also encourage you to TRAVEL there, get to know the women first hand. Internet dating, IMO, is not nearly as good as meeting women in person.”

oh i’ve already been doing some of what you suggest. and thanks for some of the tips. i might follow a few or a variation of them.

09-25-2006 12:58 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
PatriarchVerlch
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PatriarchVerlch

Halladay wrote:
Happymom

“Your warnings to Halladay drip with insincerity when put in context of your others posts wishing my marriage to fall apart ”

She wished your marriage to fall apart ?  That figures.  She doesn’t want happy marriages that produce kids.

OneDumbBitch wished your marriage would fall apart? What so you can be hoped up on anti depressants like her? OSC is one of these modern chicks that believe anything a teacher tells them, somebody with a Phd, and their girlfriends have a say in their input as well. These women believe that humans are gods, and there are too many humans. We need to cull the head, which is nonsense. Because the rich are destroying the earth.

If you stood all 6 billion humans shoulder to shoulder next to one another, we would only fill up the state of Florida!!!!!  We are hardly overpopulating, I think the secular progressives wish to see all human beings die! Only leaving them and their families if they are lucky!

I can’t believe that heartless little witch said that!!! As if she just cannot be miserable herself!!!???

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

09-25-2006 01:02 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay
PatriarchVerlch

“Actually OneStupidBitch, Russian women love American men, we do things their men do not do. We open doors, pull out chairs, and in their country you can back hand a bitch and not get in trouble for it. So guess what, the women are a lot nicer than your overpriced fat asses.”

that’s what i keep hearing.. russian and east european women like american or western men. and it’s not just russian or east european women either.

they evidently serve as a competitive threat to hysterical western career women as evidence from this and other sites. on one hand, you have career women hellbent on competiting against guys in the workplace. on the other hand, you have the potential competitive threat that foreign women could bring to these career women in men’s personal lives.

is it really that difficult to guess who i’m going to choose between the two ?

09-25-2006 01:04 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
PatriarchVerlch
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PatriarchVerlch

Halladay wrote:
PatriarchVerlch

“Actually OneStupidBitch, Russian women love American men, we do things their men do not do. We open doors, pull out chairs, and in their country you can back hand a bitch and not get in trouble for it. So guess what, the women are a lot nicer than your overpriced fat asses.”

that’s what i keep hearing.. russian and east european women like american or western men. and it’s not just russian or east european women either.

they evidently serve as a competitive threat to hysterical western career women as evidence from this and other sites. on one hand, you have career women hellbent on competiting against guys in the workplace. on the other hand, you have the potential competitive threat that foreign women could bring to these career women in men’s personal lives.

is it really that difficult to guess who i’m going to choose between the two ?

Totally dude. If you are an American man you run the risk of coming home to a cold house. No meal cooked, dirty displaced house, you are expected to read her mind as to when ‘your princess’ is horny or not (trust me her horniness level drops with each month of marriage), most of the time you’ll be taking cold showers twice a day!

No wonder men leave for younger hotter women who haven’t been indoctrinated on how to have a **bleep**ty marriage. If you can catch a girl before she trots off to a liberal university where they teach women to hate their future husbands and the children they might want to abort in the future. If you can catch the cow before she starts listening to the head cow, the head cow of which is taking orders from the bull with all the $$$ power and land.

Remember sending women to work has driven down our wages, this news makes the head bull a happy man. Also in divorce women are given money they never worked for!! You can find these women at the mall 5 days a week!!! AAwwwe, look at all the SHOOOOESSSSS!!! She doesnt need!!!

I look in my wife’s closet, you don’t wear any of these shoes woman!!!!

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

09-25-2006 01:12 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
toadman
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toadman

“What is wrong with a man with a smile on his face. Why is that so gut-wrenching for feminists?”

The Golden Rule, PV:  Any activity a man commits that is for his sole pleasure and enjoyment but runs counter to a feminist woman’s interests, will ALWAYS meet with stiff emotional resistance and negative reinforcement.(minus from a position of logic and reason, of course.  The old-time feminists actually considered logic and reason to be tools men used to win arguments).

This is NOT because you’re doing what’s best for you (something femmies are encouraged and applauded for doing) but because you’re not doing what’s best for HER.  In woman-speak, a man doing things for HIS own benefit is entirely unnaceptable wherein he’s often referred to as a “loser, “jerk” or “a-hole”.  So the next time you’re called one of these names by an American female, take it as a compliment Mr selfish A-hole.

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09-25-2006 01:27 AM

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Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay
toadman

“The old-time feminists actually considered logic and reason to be tools men used to win arguments). ”

as opposed to new feminists who consider appearances on oprah winfrey show tools to win an argument.

09-25-2006 01:37 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
toadman
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toadman

Where they’re preaching to the choir for validation.

09-25-2006 01:48 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
tellafriend
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tellafriend

OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:

Hey Hallady – Why don’t you show your foreign bride to be the posts you make about women here on the board – that will make her want to marry you and stay in her place (ha).    And of course, the Russian woman who is a scientist or doctor in her country is going to want to come over here and cook your food and pump out babies.  She will never want to use her degree again – yeah right!!!   Good luck!!!

Talk about bitter fuglies getting angry that people are REJECTING her sorry a$$ in favor of women who act like women. Men just aren’t into manish dyykes like you who are on a power trip. You’re too dumb to compete with a man. The only thing you’re doing is running your mouth like an idiot trying to feel better about being rejected by real men.

Now run along and fetch your stick you dumb biitch

09-25-2006 03:03 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
CosTas
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CosTas

Hey Hallady – Why don’t you show your foreign bride to be the posts you make about women here on the board – that will make her want to marry you and stay in her place (ha).

Hey Hallady, I can assure you that lots of US men make very good husbands when they marry East European ladies. The reason being very simple: those women grew up in a totally different background, they were socialized to want families and to want to make good wives too. So much easier for a good man to reciprocate and keep a happy family life….
So I am quite positive that most of them would applaude your posts here.

09-25-2006 03:28 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
“The old-time feminists actually considered logic and reason to be tools men used to win arguments.”

Old time?! Let me clue you in: this is happening today, right here, right now. The Larry Summers incident, far from being an aberrant isolated incident, is only the most recent tip of a very big iceberg taking direct aim on the basis for Western civilization. Hey, I’ll bet you hadn’t heard that science and even theorizing itself had been entirely reinvented recently…

This is all about women’s ways of not knowing.

From the chapter “Huge Cloudy Symbols of a High Romance” in Richard Dawkins’ book Unweaving the Rainbow:

“The historian and philosopher of science Noretta Koertge, in her 1995 essay in Skeptical Inquirer, accurately puts her finger on the dangers of a kind of perverted feminism which could have a malign influence upon women’s education [and science itself]:

Instead of exhorting young women to prepare for a variety of technical subjects by studying science, logic, and mathematics, Women’s Studies students are now being taught that logic is a tool of domination … the standard norms and methods of scientific inquiry are sexist because they are incompatible with “women’s ways of knowing”. The authors of the prize-winning book with this title report that the majority of the women they interviewed fell into the category of “subjective knowers”, characterized by a “passionate rejection of science and scientists”. These “subjectivist” women see the methods of logic, analysis and abstraction as “alien territory belonging to men” and “value intuition as a safer and more fruitful approach to truth”.

“One might have thought that, however dippy it might be, this kind of thinking would at least be gentle and, well, ‘nurturing’. But the opposite is often true. At times it develops an ugly, hectoring tone, masculine in the worst sense. Barbara Ehrenreich and Janet McIntosh, in their 1997 article on ‘The New Creationism’ in the Nation, recount how a social psychologist called Phoebe Ellsworth was intimidated at an interdisciplinary seminar on emotions. Though bending over backwards to pre-empt criticism, at one point she unguardedly mentioned the word ‘experiment’. Immediately, ‘the hands shot up. Audience members pointed out that the experimental method is the brainchild of white Victorian males’ [that would be a Good Thing, if it were correct, right?]. Carrying conciliation to what would have seemed to me almost superhuman lengths, Ellsworth agreed that white males had done their share of damage in the world but noted that, none-the-less, their efforts had led to the discovery of DNA. This earned the incredulous (and incredible) retort: ‘You believe in DNA?’ Fortunately, there are still many intelligent young women prepared to enter a scientific career, and I should like to pay tribute to their courage, in the face of uncouth bullying of this kind.”
….
“…reason and logic are not masculine instruments of oppression. To suggest that they are is an insult to women, as Steven Pinker has said in How the Mind Works:

Among the claims of “difference feminists” are that women do not engage in abstract linear reasoning, that they do not treat ideas with skepticism or evaluate them through rigorous debate, that they do not argue from general moral principles, and other insults.

“The most ridiculous example of feminist bad science may be Sandra Harding’s description of Newton’s Principia as a ‘rape manual’. What strikes me about this judgement is less its presumption than its parochial American chauvinism. How dare she elevate her narrowly contemporary North American politics over the unchanging laws of the universe and one of the greatest thinkers of all time? Paul Gross and Norman Levitt discuss this and similar examples in their admirable book Higher Superstitions, leaving the last word to the philosopher Margarita Levin:

…much of feminist scholarly writing consists of wildly extravagant praise of other feminists. A’s “brilliant analysis” supplements B’s “revolutionary breakthrough” and C’s “courageous undertaking”. More disconcerting is the penchant of many feminists to praise themselves most fulsomely. Harding ends her book on the following self-congratulatory note: “When we began theorizing our experience … we knew our task would be a difficult though exciting one. But I doubt that in our wildest dreams we ever imagined we would have to reinvent both science and theorizing itself to make sense of women’s social experience.

“This megalomania would be disturbing in a Newton or Darwin: in the present context it is merely embarrassing.”

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“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

09-25-2006 03:45 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
Doc_Savage
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Doc_Savage

Excellent post MartianBachelor.

09-25-2006 04:36 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
Cassius
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Cassius
Isnt it just heartbreaking, how women (okay onesmartchick) are concerned about how we might get played marrying a foreign bride ? If she would only look deeper into the gender relations in the western world, she could happily advise us to avoid marriage for our own good.

09-25-2006 07:01 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
FemiNasties are done.

Nearly 10,000 posts later, they STILL got nothing for us. I have YET to read any post from the FemiNasties that explains why marrying career women is advantageous for us.

Nor have I seen any definitive proof that American women make better wives than Foreign women.

My post, “Marriage Portfolio Risk” says it all.

It’s over Feminasties.

Roll with us, or get rolled over!

09-25-2006 07:20 AM

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expatguy
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expatguy
Even with a foreign woman raised in a non-feminist culture, you can never be too sure. Once in the US, they can easily turn into garbage, and become just like American women if you are not watchful enough. Best to probably leave the US, keeping legal residency in both the home country and the country of your foreign ladyfriend to minimize (as much as one can) the destructive influences of American female behavior.

09-25-2006 07:41 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
3rdworldwm
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3rdworldwm

Just once more to remind you guys – make sure you stay with your foreign brides foreign. Because longing to be free to pursue with ones passion and dream and choice is in every human been’s natural, men or women. When she has the freedom here, she will span her wings – as I did.

Message Edited by 3rdworldwm on 09-25-200608:37 AM

09-25-2006 08:26 AM

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ZammoTheWeird
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ZammoTheWeird

When a foreign woman wants something from her American husband, she spoils him.

When an American woman wants something from her American husband, she divorces him.

09-25-2006 09:03 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
ericw
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ericw

3rdworldwm: Just once more to remind you guys – make sure you stay with your foreign brides foreign. Because longing to be free to pursue with ones passion and dream and choice is in every human been’s natural, men or women. When she has the freedom here, she will span her wings – as I did.”
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Actually, it just means your a low class women.  A wanna-be sl*t who who was so weak, pathetic and insecure that you couldn’t make it on her own — so you had to play a man to get somewhere.  Dumpster material – someone who is only out for themselves and doesn’t know the meaning of the sanctity marriage, vows or teamwork.

None-the-less there are many nice women in various nations who have had a good upbringing and have a positive, moral fibre.  So men who are looking to marry and have children still have many options including dating overseas, being a single father (face it men don’t really even need women) and remaining single.  MGTOW

09-25-2006 11:34 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
3rdworldwm
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3rdworldwm

ericw wrote:

Actually, it just means your a low class women.  A wanna-be sl*t who who was so weak, pathetic and insecure that you couldn’t make it on her own — so you had to play a man to get somewhere.  Dumpster material – someone who is only out for themselves and doesn’t know the meaning of the sanctity marriage, vows or teamwork.

None-the-less there are many nice women in various nations who have had a good upbringing and have a positive, moral fibre.  So men who are looking to marry and have children still have many options including dating overseas, being a single father (face it men don’t really even need women) and remaining single.  MGTOW

I made it on my own, thank God I have a career; I might not make it if I don’t have one.

Agree with you, men or women dont realy need women/men.

Here is I posted while ago about my story.  And, I don’t put people down or call them names just because they hold different opinion than mine. Are you sure you want to talk about class?

Thanks Doc_ Savage for your serious reply, truly appreciated. You see, I have a daughter, and she is the most important thing in my life. I want her to be happy and live a life which gives her the opportunities to fulfill her dreams and passions as I would want for a son. I don’t want her to have to make the choices between to be loved and having a family or to pursuing with her dream to be a rocket scientist.

Here is my personal story. I married this man for 8 years. I stayed home for 5 years to have and raise the baby and get myself a graduate degree at the same time. I started my career when my daughter was almost 5. I did all the household work including cooking, cleaning, shopping, ironing all his cloth, and taking care my daughter while working. Yes, it is difficult, but I managed, because it is what I wanted. He cheated on me…I forgave him, and he did it again. I left, with only $2000.00 in my bank account and my daughter (I told him if he wouldn’t fight the custody of my daughter with me then he could have all the marital assess). I am glad I have a career, so I can leave with dignity. Later I found out he had cheated in his first marriage and his first wife died of depression and pain killer over dose – she was a stay home wife.

As far as women were treated better and have privilege in work place – I was forced to leave my job because I am a woman in construction business which my boss didn’t think I belong to; and I refused to go to a project that required me leaving my daughter behind. Luckily, I found a better one.

My point is, it is wrong to conclude that career women make bad wives and bad mothers – it is the characters within the women make the difference. Same apply to men. I don’t conclude all men are cheaters just because my experience and men shouldn’t do the same to career women.

Message Edited by 3rdworldwm on 09-25-200612:12 PM

09-25-2006 11:57 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
3rdworldwm
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3rdworldwm

ericw wrote:

None-the-less there are many nice women in various nations who have had a good upbringing and have a positive, moral fibre.  So men who are looking to marry and have children still have many options including dating overseas, being a single father (face it men don’t really even need women) and remaining single.  MGTOW

Oh, one more thing. Who told you in other countries “nice women who had good upbring and have a positive moral fibre” wouldn’t want career?

09-25-2006 12:04 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
porkchops38
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porkchops38
If any man goes to Asia, stay away from the poor & middle class Asian women and look for the wealthy Asian women. There are hoards of Asian women who come from very wealthy families who cannot find a man in Asia to marry them because they are from wealthy families. Alot of men who come from wealthy Asian families end up marrying women from a lower social status, and that leaves a lot of Asian women from wealthy families all alone, unable to find a man of their social status, and these women from wealthy Asian families flatly refuse to marry an Asian man from a lower status. These women who come from wealthy Asian families are generally educated, and speak the english well, and they would be willing and their parents would be willing to see their daughter marry an American or European man even if such a man comes from a middle-class lifestyle. In other words, these unmarried Asian women from wealthy families would not be willing to marry an Asian man from a lower social status, but they and their parents would be willing to see their daughter marry an American or European man of good character simply because they view western men as good husband material regardless of social/income status. For these wealthy Asian families, character is most important, so if you are a western man of good character, then you would be well-served to investigate the hoards of single women in Asia who come from wealthy families. If you are looking to simply marry into a wealthy Asian family for the money, don’t bother trying as her and her family will spot your intentions immediately, however if you are a man of good character and you want a woman with good character then go find the hoards of unmarried women in Asia who come from wealthy families as they represent your best chances of finding compatibility IMHO. That’s the best advice I can give.

Whatever you do, you’re going to have the odds stacked against you if you think you can go to Asia and rescue some poor Asian woman. It could happen, but I’m just saying the odds are probably not in your favor. Stay away from Asian women whose parents are divorced/seperated/living apart, as it’s much more taboo and scarring to the children of such over in Asia. Don’t fall in love with an Asian woman just because she’s good in bed, most all half-normal Asian women are nymphos in bed, find something more substantitive like character.

09-25-2006 12:37 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
“If you are looking to simply marry into a wealthy Asian family for the money, don’t bother trying…”

Isn’t this more or also because the patriarchal nature of asian societies means daughters generally don’t inherit very much if anything compared to sons? I mean, once the family has married her off, she’s the husband’s responsibility, right? Or has this gotten more westernized too?

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09-25-2006 01:33 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
porkchops38
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porkchops38

MartianBachelor wrote:
“If you are looking to simply marry into a wealthy Asian family for the money, don’t bother trying…”

Isn’t this more or also because the patriarchal nature of asian societies means daughters generally don’t inherit very much if anything compared to sons? I mean, once the family has married her off, she’s the husband’s responsibility, right? Or has this gotten more westernized too?

Well in western societies it is actually more pronounced that a daughter who gets married is the husband’s responsibility — at least that was the traditional western custom, like when the father of the bride walks her down the aisle to “give his daughter away” to her husband at the wedding ceremony. That’s a traditional western concept originating from Christianity. In Asia however, when you marry a woman who comes from a wealthy family, you marry into the whole family. If you marry a daughter from a wealthy Asian family, the only possible downside I see is that you’ll probably have to deal with an overbearing father-in-law who thinks he still has control over his daughter through you. You can solve that problem by moving far away from your father in law, or if you get along with your father in law he probably would put you in charge of part or all of their family business that created their wealth. I’ve met some expat westerners in Asia that have been able to get along with their over-bearing wealthy fathers-in-law, and some that couldn’t get along and moved back to their native countries.

09-25-2006 03:43 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

OSC

It doesn’t matter whether I am what I claim to be or not.  (I meant no mean spirit here – I was parroting someone else’s question – I apologize) I do know that it gets under your skin that there are women out there who think that women were never oppressed, feminism will hurt women more than it will help them, feminism wants women in the perpetual, childlike victim role in order to cobtrol them, and that homosexuality is wrong and is a leading force in the so-called women’s liberation movement.  Perhaps you need to go back to History class in your “wasted BA” to know that women were not allowed to attend institutions of higher learning, not allowed to vote in a Federal election, were not permitted to apply for a loan in their own name but had to have a man’s name on the application as well.  This was only a smattering of the oppression and limitations women had.    Perhaps you don’t view this as oppression – I do.  This is all factual – but when this is brought up on this board this is dismissed.  Having an argument based on fact is impossible on this board.    I challenge you to ask 10 women whether they agree that women should have the right to vote.  You can thank that awful feminism you love to hate for that – my dear.  I had posed the question to you MANY times before – and you can’t answer this because if you do, you will look as though you – gasp – agree that the women’s movement had merit.   No one agrees with the tenants of every movement.  And your pride will get in the way there… And again – I will ask it “ Do you vote in the Presidential election here in the US?”  If you do – you can thank the woman’s movement for that!!!!!  That REALLY gets under your skin now – doesn’t it????

On several posts here you have suggested I will one day need the feminist movement as I will fall into some dire straights such as my husband leaving me for a trophy wife or falling into some tragedy.  All people who don’t support themselves need to think about what would happen if their support went away (for whatever reason – that is being a responsible adult.) Even people who do support themselves need disability insurance.   Due to the women’s movement, there are options available that were not available for other women who found their source of support, the way they put each bite of food in their mouth – cut off. Now you don’t need to be on the dole and costing taxpayers money with welfare.   My point, and it was an accurate one, indicated and I will state it again – that women have options thanks to the woman’s movement to support them if they loose their source of support.  If that hits too close to home for you – then come back from your fantasy world!!!! You are bothered by that fact and feel the need to distort my words to indicate that I personally wish a tragedy to happen to you or your source of support.  I did not write that I personally hoped that your source of support be tragically eliminated nor would I ever write that – perhaps you are not as innocent as you try to make yourself out to be?      These possibilities are far-fetched to say the least. Only %5 of married men cheat.  Site that proof for that my dear – all surveys point to 50% -75% of married men cheat on their spouses at SOME time.  Sorry that gets under your skin – but that’s a fact.   That figure would be lower were it not fir all the liberated feminists willing to sleep with other people’s husbands.  How is it the woman’s fault the man cheats????  Explain this one to me?? The married man still has to do the deed – so now we blame the other women when our husband cheats on us????  The husband took the vow!!     The no-fault divorce laws you insist upon do nothing but destabilize marriages and therefore hurt men, women and children.  You throw these sound bites out – no doubt put out by your friends at “Concerned Women for America” but you don’t back them up with any facts – HOW DO no-fault divorce laws do NOTHING but destabilize men, women and children.

Your warnings to Halladay drip with insincerity ( again twisting what I wrote to comfort you own issues.  I was making the point that when women come here from foreign countries where they are oppressed and if they have any education, they want to put that to use – and since Hallady has an issue with career women I was pointing he would be doing all that work and getting what he was trying to get away from – do you know how to read??? ) when put in context of your others posts wishing my marriage to fall apart (I have already dealt with this one) and ypur support a myriad of terrible laws that have done nothing but create painful chaos in people’s lives.

You continue to imply that the dykes(and don’t even try to argue they aren’t!) leading the women’s movement have  my best interests at heart. Are you a bit homophobic??  I am surprised at you!!!!  They are god’s  children!! I ask you – what difference does that make if they are gay?  They are human, they can love and be loved – What is your problem?) They don’t. they want to interfere in and control the lives of anyone who doesn’t tow the party line.  How many times have I written that your submission to your husband is YOUR business and can’t you get your head around women who don’t live like that?  No one on this board has tried to make you otherwise!!!!!   If you are so secure in your world – why are women pursuing their dreams an issue for you?    Women like you tried to guilt me into joining your ranks. Luckily I could see that throuhg your guise of caring about women and rescuing them from the big bad men, you only ever support policies that are destructive.  Again – generalizations – how hypocritical of you – you got an education – the women’s movement supports equal opportunity in education –

I was raised by a feminist and I had many run-ins with them and their hypocracy at school. I realized early on they only want to recruit and get young women to support their cause at the cost of the young womens’ happiness.  No one recruited me – I grew up in a household where I was told that I could be anything I wanted if I put my mind to it.  I was not told that only men were engineers or doctors.  My father was an immigrant and wanted the best for me.  He wanted me to be independent and marry for love – not desperation for support.   He had grown up in a country where women were oppressed, controlled by their husbands and were very unhappy.  In my up bring, you reap what you sow.  If you can’t make the grade – don’t expect to be let in the door.  And gasp – choke – my mother was a homemaker who gave me the SAME advice!!!!!!   She had a college degree and worked once or twice a month – but she could make a living if she had to.     You all want control. You want to force people to view all of history through the skewed lense of men’s oppression of women. What was really going on was that men were protecting women.  This is so absurd – you are loosing it – you actually stated that oppression of women never happened and by keeping women out of business, law, and medical school, by viewing them as property under the law and not allowing them to own assets – this was protection?????  Now – I want you to run that by 10 women you know and see how far you get!!!!!    Are you living in the Victorian age?

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You also have some fat nerve shaming these men for looking overseas for brides when these laws and attitudes that you promote are directly responisble for the fact that they view American women with contempt. AGAIN _ READ WHAT I STATE – I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH AMERICAN MEN MARRYING ANYONE THEY WANT – BY THE WAY ANYONE THEY WANT ALSO INCLUDES FOREIGN WOMENI pity the poor, sweet American girls who would be happy with a good, old fashioned happy family. The types of girls you try to guilt into wanting something more, something unrealistic out of this world.  Maybe women wanting to have high-powered careers is threatening to you?  Why should women not have the opportunity to follow their dreams?  Whatever they are?  Is this reserved just for men?  Then you are a sexist!!!   If they want to get married and have families and never work – fine.  But MOST women want to use their education, their motivation in other ways – why is this so hard for you to grasp?  Maybe dreams of financial, career and personal success (outside of marriage and family) are unrealistic to you – but why should you – with your seemingly narrow mind – begrudge opportunities to other women?  Right back at you – you have some nerve trying to tell young impressionable women that their dreams of being a famous actor, scientist – whatever are unrealistic – Who put you in the place to judge that?  Mighty ARROGANT of you – right back at you!!!

Further, if you have been to Eastern Europe(and really, haven’t they suffered enough? – no, you have not visited lately!!!! Ha ah ha ha) then you have seen true oppression. How on earth can you look at the cush y lives us Americans lead and nitpick every last thing men do that doesn’t involve telling you how wonderful you are?  My self-esteem does not lie with a man telling me that everything I do is wonderful – is that a problem for you???

09-25-2006 08:28 PM

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Halladay
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Halladay
OneDumbBitch writes

“My self-esteem does not lie with a man telling me that everything I do is wonderful”

not many here are going to tell you that you are wonderful so no worries there..

“was only a smattering of the oppression and limitations women had. Perhaps you don’t view this as oppression – I do. ”

your panzy ass is one of the most coddled and kissed in the world. don’t give me your constant victim mentality BS.

“Do you vote in the Presidential election here in the US?” If you do – you can thank the woman’s movement for that!!!!! That REALLY gets under your skin now – doesn’t it???? ”

you can thank the many men that died in wars so that everyone here could vote you unappreciative bitch

“Due to the women’s movement, there are options available that were not available for other women ”

such as… not agreeing with your man hating ass

“Perhaps you need to go back to History class in your “wasted BA””

perhaps when you see waste, it’s looking right at you in the mirror

09-25-2006 09:18 PM

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Mamonaku
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Mamonaku
OSC said, in reply to Happy Mom,

‘the no-fault divorce laws you insist upon do nothing but destabilize marriages and therefore hurt men, women and children.’

“You throw these sound bites out – no doubt put out by your friends at “Concerned Women for America” but you don’t back them up with any facts – HOW DO no-fault divorce laws do NOTHING but destabilize men, women and children.”

Tisk tisk OSC,

Now I have to take you back to school! This is starting to get old. You should be more careful before you make statements such as the one above.

Now then, the facts you requested:
http://forums.forbes.com/forbes/board/message?board.id=respond_marry_career_woman&message.id=7382#M7382

The Real Danger of Same-Sex Marriage
By Stephen Baskerville
http://www.profam.org/pub/xfia_cur.htm

“…Marriage turns a man from a sperm donor into a parent and thus creates paternal authority, allowing a man to exercise the authority over children that otherwise would be exercised by the mother alone. Feminists understand this when they renounce marriage as an institution of “patriarchy.”[20] Among some conservatives, it has become almost a cliché that marriage exists foremost to civilize men and control their promiscuity.[21] If so, it performs this role as part of a larger function: to protect the father-child bond and with it the intact family. This point, potentially the strongest in their case, is overlooked by some traditionalists who argue that marriage undergirds civilization. For it is the presence of the father that creates both the intact family and, by the same measure, the civil institution itself. Thomas Hobbes attributed to married fatherhood a central role in the process of moving from the state of nature into civic life. In nature, Hobbes argued, “the dominion is in the mother”:

For in the condition of mere nature, where there are no matrimonial laws, it cannot be known who is the father, unless it be declared by the mother. And therefore the right of dominion over the child dependeth on her will and is consequently hers.[22]
Only in civil society, where “matrimonial laws” do operate, is authority over children shared with the father…

… The Abolition of Marriage
Some three decades ago, while few were paying attention, the Western world embarked on what may turn out to be the boldest social experiment in its history. With no public discussion of the possible consequences, laws were enacted in virtually every jurisdiction that effectively ended marriage as a legal contract. Today it is not possible to form a binding agreement to create a family.
The result was more than the removal of government from enforcement of the contract; it allowed the government to enforce the abrogation of the contract. Regardless of the terms by which a marriage is entered, government officials can, at the request of one spouse, simply dissolve it (and the household created by it) over the objection of the other with no penalty to the moving party. (Maggie) Gallagher aptly titled her 1996 book, The Abolition of Marriage. It is difficult to see how legalizing gay marriage can weaken an institution that has already been legally “abolished,” nor how a constitutional amendment can protect a contract that is now unenforceable in law.

In contrast to same-sex marriage, no-fault divorce was never subject to a public debate. Gallagher once attributed this silence to “political cowardice”: “Opposing gay marriage or gays in the military is for Republicans an easy, juicy, risk-free issue,” she complained. “The message [is] that at all costs we should keep divorce off the political agenda.” No American politician of national stature has seriously challenged involuntary divorce. “Democrats did not want to anger their large constituency among women who saw easy divorce as a hard-won freedom and prerogative,” writes Barbara Dafoe Whitehead. “Republicans did not want to alienate their upscale constituents or their libertarian wing, both of whom tended to favor easy divorce, nor did they want to call attention to the divorces among their own leadership.”[39] In his famous denunciation of single parenthood, Vice President Dan Quayle was careful to make clear, “I am not talking about a situation where there is a divorce.”[40] The exception proves the rule. When the late Pope John Paul II spoke out against divorce in January 2002, he was roundly criticized from both the right and the left.[41]…

…This is only one example of how the penal consequences of marital weakening are not symmetrical. Overwhelmingly when children are involved, the spouse on whom the penal apparatus will be brought to bear, and who will experience the state’s growing capacity to seize children and criminalize the involuntarily divorced, is the father.
Some believe this is logical, and it may be inevitable. Certainly it would be appropriate if, as popularly believed, the father is the one abandoning the marriage. In fact, when children are involved, the divorcing parent is almost always the mother, usually without grounds.[65]

The failure of policymakers to accept this fact, and instead to address its symptoms, has led to ever-more invasive measures into private life and a panoply of highly repressive law-enforcement actions against primarily (though not exclusively) fathers. These are invariably justified to protect and provide for women and children once the father is gone. Yet these policies create the very fatherless homes they ostensibly assist. They are presented as responses to alleged social problems that were not problems only a few years ago: domestic violence, child abuse, and child support. Significantly, no public outcry ever demanded a government response to these claimed ills; the initiative has come entirely from government officials and government-funded interest groups.
Foremost among these are feminists. For the criminalization of divorced fathers did not come about by accident, and neither did no-fault divorce. Growing out of the cultural climate of the sexual revolution, it was really feminists who created the divorce revolution. The National Association of Women Lawyers (NAWL) claims credit for pioneering no-fault divorce, which it describes as “the greatest project NAWL has ever undertaken.”

“By 1977,” NAWL proudly notes, “the ideal of no-fault divorce became the guiding principle for reform of divorce laws in the majority of states.”[66] Divorce has a long feminist pedigree,[67] and Germaine Greer argues that the high divorce rate should be celebrated as the major sign of feminist progress.[68] Today, divorce liberalization continues to be promoted by feminist activists worldwide, often unopposed as a “human rights” measure. When Spain’s socialist government came to power in 2004, their three domestic priorities were legalized abortion, same-sex marriage, and liberalized divorce. Turkey was forced to withdraw a proposal to criminalize adultery by the European Union, but liberal divorce counted in their favor.
Divorce has actualized the radical feminist dream of political warfare against men, and unlike other items on the feminist agenda, it has done so virtually unchallenged.

By playing upon popular and conservative sympathy for women and children and the fear of all politicians and advocacy groups to be seen as defending wife-beaters, child molesters, and “deadbeat dads,” the feminist-driven divorce industry has launched, with hardly a voice of opposition, the greatest destruction of constitutional liberties in the Western world today. Dean Roscoe Pound has said that “the powers of the Star Chamber were a trifle in comparison with those of our juvenile court and courts of domestic relations.”[69]..(Baskerville)”

There you have it. FEMINISTS destroyed Marriage through the ABOLITION of marriage via NO FAULT DIVORCE. Do you think Feminists such as yourself are satisfied?

Of course not! Please read:

Feminists call for abolition of marriage

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2055&date=20050909

Published: 9th September 2005 10:56 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=2055

As Sweden’s Feminist Initiative meets in Örebro on Friday for its annual general meeting, one of the group’s more radical proposals has been revealed: the abolition of marriage.

Instead the group, which is expected to become a fully-fledged political party following the meeting, wants a ‘cohabitation law’ which ignores gender – and allows for more than two people to be included.
The proposal is one of the group’s ‘prioritised political demands’ which the newspaper Svenska Dagbladet got hold of before the meeting.

FI founder and board member, Tiina Rosenberg, told the paper that the group wants to create “a modern concept which does not favour and promote couples and heterosexual norms…”

Let me continue, so I can drive this concept home that FEMINISTS have always agitated for the destruction of the family and marriage.
And Fathers are ESSENTIAL for the well being of their children.
Yes I know that there are economic and other social changes that have their part to play; but the assault on Fathers and Marriage by Feminists, is the key catalyst.”

OSC, you have yet to seriously debate nor debunk anything I have posted in response to your assertions. Yet you attack HappyMom on post after post.

You make the third Feminasty I’ve had to educate on this topic. You simply aren’t Man enough to debate with us. So just give it up!

As the saying goes, if you can’t beat em, join em. Good advice for you my lady.

Mamonaku187.blogspot.com

Message Edited by Mamonaku on 09-25-200609:35 PM

09-25-2006 09:31 PM

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SM777
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“Are you a bit homophobic?? I am surprised at you!!!! They are god’s children!! I ask you – what difference does that make if they are gay? They are human, they can love and be loved – What is your problem

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Aha, a man-hating lesbian **bleep**!

I knew it all along.

You should pay more attention to your devoted wife and less attention to this forum.

After all, you should not neglect your wife. You know how pissed women get when they are ignored.

09-25-2006 10:18 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
SM777
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SM777
Gentlemen, can you believe it?

They censored the word d-y-k-e.

09-25-2006 10:20 PM

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Halladay
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Halladay
” Gentlemen, can you believe it?

They censored the word d-y-k-e.”

They didn’t want give OneDumbBitch any more ideas because she’s close enough to the edge as it is

09-25-2006 10:25 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
“Perhaps you need to go back to History class…”

That’s the point – those awful things you mentioned are all HISTORY now, practically ancient history.

I mean, forty years ago men couldn’t have long hair or been seen in public holding a baby. Now it’s no big deal. But you don’t hear us bringing up that?

Times change. We’re talkin’bout the present and the future. (or trying to)

So just how long are you gals gonna keep bringing that sh*it up?
Are you ever going to let go of your grudge?

And by all means go apply for a loan. Today.

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“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

09-25-2006 11:00 PM

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reclaff
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reclaff

Message Edited by reclaff on 07-30-2007 04:12 PM

09-26-2006 12:08 AM

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Pete
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Pete

No one recruited me – I grew up in a household where I was told that I could be anything I wanted if I put my mind to it. I was not told that only men were engineers or doctors. My father was an immigrant and wanted the best for me. He wanted me to be independent and marry for love – not desperation for support. He had grown up in a country where women were oppressed, controlled by their husbands and were very unhappy. In my up bring, you reap what you sow. If you can’t make the grade – don’t expect to be let in the door. And gasp – choke – my mother was a homemaker who gave me the SAME advice!!!!!!

Like many well-meaning fathers raising daughters in a western society, he was un-perceptive, and lacked the foresight and hard-headedness not to surrender completely to modern, trendy (and ultimately, wrong) thinking about “freeing” women.

Unfortunately, his good intentions cannot and will not excuse his irresponsibility. He misled you, just like the women’s movement misled you, and you became a worthless piece of garbage as a result.

And I do not exaggerate when I say that you are worthless. The fact is, no man with an ounce of sanity would want a woman like you, when he can find far more pleasant and better alternatives. You are foul-tempered, miserable, emotionally hysterical, and unfit for normal, stable relations with anyone, man or woman. You could never be a devoted, submissive wife for a good man, and that is the tragedy of your existence. If you are as educated as you claim, then even a second-rate, inferior creature like you must be able to know that.

About the only thing you can offer is your p*ssy. So, what the women’s movement ultimately did was to set your eventual value to that of just a common, dirty street whore.

Message Edited by Pete on 09-26-200608:34 AM

09-26-2006 08:30 AM

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OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

Like many well-meaning fathers raising daughters in a western society, he was un-perceptive, and lacked the foresight and hard-headedness not to surrender completely to modern, trendy (and ultimately, wrong) thinking about “freeing” women.

Unfortunately, his good intentions cannot and will not excuse his irresponsibility. He misled you, just like the women’s movement misled you, and you became a worthless piece of garbage as a result.   You are the worthless piece of garbage.

And I do not exaggerate when I say that you are worthless. The fact is, no man with an ounce of sanity would want a woman like you, when he can find far more pleasant and better alternatives. You are foul-tempered, miserable, emotionally hysterical, and unfit for normal, stable relations with anyone, man or woman. You could never be a devoted, submissive wife for a good man, and that is the tragedy of your existence. If you are as educated as you claim, then even a second-rate, inferior creature like you must be able to know that.   This is exactly the crap that fueled the woman’s movement.  Because I have goals and dreams that I pursue outside of the home, you are angry and combative to me.  The tradedy is men like you exist.  You are an example of a disgusting, perverted, bitter man

About the only thing you can offer is your p*ssy. So, what the women’s movement ultimately did was to set your eventual value to that of just a common, dirty street whore.  Again – an example of why the woman’s movement came into existence and with your anger, and bitterness, you can’t see it.  You reduce a woman to a single role, designed to meet your needs.  If a woman is not married, having children and keeping house – she is a street whore to you.  Your views and attitudes is why you will die a lonely old bitter man.   Because of your lack of education or awareness – you can’t see that.  The fact the the woman’s movement advocates equal opportunity for woman simply angers you and you lash out.  The fact that you point to my personality and my happiness – is laughable.  The only personality that matters to you is a woman who meets your needs.  The fact that she is an individual – a human being – and therefore *dares* to disagree with you – how dare her – she must be unhappy – she cannot accept her role.

09-26-2006 09:34 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
porkchops38
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porkchops38

Pete wrote:

No one recruited me – I grew up in a household where I was told that I could be anything I wanted if I put my mind to it. I was not told that only men were engineers or doctors. My father was an immigrant and wanted the best for me. He wanted me to be independent and marry for love – not desperation for support. He had grown up in a country where women were oppressed, controlled by their husbands and were very unhappy. In my up bring, you reap what you sow. If you can’t make the grade – don’t expect to be let in the door. And gasp – choke – my mother was a homemaker who gave me the SAME advice!!!!!!

Like many well-meaning fathers raising daughters in a western society, he was un-perceptive, and lacked the foresight and hard-headedness not to surrender completely to modern, trendy (and ultimately, wrong) thinking about “freeing” women.

Unfortunately, his good intentions cannot and will not excuse his irresponsibility. He misled you, just like the women’s movement misled you, and you became a worthless piece of garbage as a result.

And I do not exaggerate when I say that you are worthless. The fact is, no man with an ounce of sanity would want a woman like you, when he can find far more pleasant and better alternatives. You are foul-tempered, miserable, emotionally hysterical, and unfit for normal, stable relations with anyone, man or woman. You could never be a devoted, submissive wife for a good man, and that is the tragedy of your existence. If you are as educated as you claim, then even a second-rate, inferior creature like you must be able to know that.

About the only thing you can offer is your p*ssy. So, what the women’s movement ultimately did was to set your eventual value to that of just a common, dirty street whore.

Message Edited by Pete on 09-26-200608:34 AM

This post from Pete should be cut out and posted on every refrigerator in America. Excellent post Pete!

When a woman tries to become no different than a man, she reduces her difference between herself and a man only to genetalia differences — thus making herself and her pu$$y nothing but a common dirty street whore. The kicker is that she thinks her pu$$y is worth gold and then gives it away for free if a guy swoons over her! LMAO! Well, the feminists at the NOW gang are working hard trying to change that free pu$$y Ameriskanks are giving away as the NOW gang is working vehemently to legalize prostitution in America so these stupid Ameriskanks will learn to at least charge some monies for their raunchy pu$$y instead of giving it away for free. Good luck with that!

09-26-2006 09:50 AM

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3rdworldwm
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3rdworldwm

OneSmartChick,

Those men are sick minded. It is no use to reasoning with them. I suggest don’t waste your time anymore.

OneSmartChick wrote:

Like many well-meaning fathers raising daughters in a western society, he was un-perceptive, and lacked the foresight and hard-headedness not to surrender completely to modern, trendy (and ultimately, wrong) thinking about “freeing” women.

Unfortunately, his good intentions cannot and will not excuse his irresponsibility. He misled you, just like the women’s movement misled you, and you became a worthless piece of garbage as a result.   You are the worthless piece of garbage.

And I do not exaggerate when I say that you are worthless. The fact is, no man with an ounce of sanity would want a woman like you, when he can find far more pleasant and better alternatives. You are foul-tempered, miserable, emotionally hysterical, and unfit for normal, stable relations with anyone, man or woman. You could never be a devoted, submissive wife for a good man, and that is the tragedy of your existence. If you are as educated as you claim, then even a second-rate, inferior creature like you must be able to know that.   This is exactly the crap that fueled the woman’s movement.  Because I have goals and dreams that I pursue outside of the home, you are angry and combative to me.  The tradedy is men like you exist.  You are an example of a disgusting, perverted, bitter man

About the only thing you can offer is your p*ssy. So, what the women’s movement ultimately did was to set your eventual value to that of just a common, dirty street whore.  Again – an example of why the woman’s movement came into existence and with your anger, and bitterness, you can’t see it.  You reduce a woman to a single role, designed to meet your needs.  If a woman is not married, having children and keeping house – she is a street whore to you.  Your views and attitudes is why you will die a lonely old bitter man.   Because of your lack of education or awareness – you can’t see that.  The fact the the woman’s movement advocates equal opportunity for woman simply angers you and you lash out.  The fact that you point to my personality and my happiness – is laughable.  The only personality that matters to you is a woman who meets your needs.  The fact that she is an individual – a human being – and therefore *dares* to disagree with you – how dare her – she must be unhappy – she cannot accept her role.

09-26-2006 09:53 AM

Re: Foreign Brides
khankrumthebulg
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khankrumthebulg
Wow where to start. The ongoing Victimhood that the Cat Herders speak of is nonsense. Most Men were never in the “Patriarchy” and Feminism is about promoting the Superiority of Women not equality. Most Men worked in Dangerous occupations and Men and Women worked together, raising a Family. Different roles a specialization of Labor. Women went to College in the 1800s. A Woman Doctor was award the Medal of Honor for her assistance during the Civil War.

Technology has done more to “Free Women” than the FemNags. And Men shared power to improve the lives of Women. Men saw it as a Social Justice issue, it was the right thing to do. Men who have Daughter, Mothers, Sisters, Girlfriends, Wives wanted more for them. Our thanks was to be demonized, villified, and to be hated.

Example, during the Bosnian War Hilliary complained about how the poor Women were left without any support. Why? The Men and Boys (teenagers) were massacred by the thousands. Sbrenecia is one of those Massacres, when Danish UN Troops stood by while the Serbs took out the Men and Boys from the Albanians and executed them. No mention was made of the Massacres by Hilliary. Why? Men are simply disposable. We don’t matter in our Culture.

09-26-2006 11:59 AM

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OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

OneSmartChick wrote:

“No one agrees with the tenants (sic) of every movement.”

Ok, I will concede the women’s movement historically made some significant gains for women.  But these gains came at the high cultural cost of an entrenched gender war – witness this board to see the gender war at work.  Was this gender war necessary?  Before I reply to this – let me thank you for a non-combative, no name calling response.  This is the first time on this board that I actually think I can respond to you and not get attacked.    As I have stated before – feminism, to me, is equal opportunity.  My gut tells me that the explosive gender war on this board has to do with some, and again I said some, men who resent that woman don’t need them in the same ways they did in the past.  Meaning a woman can get a job, support herself.  So now she has options – and with options come choices – the choice to not choose them.   Before, a woman pretty much had to marry – she had limited options to support herself.      I think the issue is that there are men who view woman as a second class citizen – with her limited place, and they honestly believe women have limited intelligence.  Most people don’t appreciate being hated or oppressed due to their gender.  And they respond in anger.  Nowadays – women feel free to speak up when they disagree – again – men who view women as something that should be seen and not heard – get angry.  Do you see men like that on this board?  I do.

You say no one agrees with every tenet of a movement.  Exactly which tenets of the women’s movement do YOU disagree with?  The one that stands out in my mind the most is the trying to reduce the role of the father in the family.  I believe in the two parent family.  To say that a man is a bad father because you, the wife, don’t get along with him is childish.  Women, independent of how they feel about the man as their husband or partner, should nourish the relationship of the father with the children.   I cringe when I see this happening.  It the guy is a good father – let him parent.  Stay out of his way.

As I have indicated before on this board – and apparently some men have issues with this – the women’s movement gave women access to power through the law – for women to disengage themselves from dangerous situations.  You have most likely seen the ridiculous answers I get from this board when I say that women can now leave marriages where they were being beatened.   To them  – this is women “breaking up marriages” – “disregarding the role of the father” All you can do is roll your eyes and throw your hands up..  I remember one post here that indicated in “Russia, you can backhand your woman and the law doesn’t care”  – With that type of mentality – what can you expect?? Yes, there is a gender war.  I also believe that many people have horrible experiences – like all the sexual harrassment that I have put up with – being called “The beautful assistant” in an important business meeting and patted on the rear, etc… all, I feel, to make me an object rather than a functional brain at the table.  I have male friends that have been accused of sexual harrassment because they asked a woman out at work!!  People take their experience to the debate – I know that I take my experiences working at a domestic violence and rape shelter.  That experienced changed my outlook and life.

Do you feel it was the best idea for feminism to stigmatize ALL men rather than work with them?    I do not believe that all men oppose equal opportunity for women.  It is my perception that some sectors of the women’s movement lump all men together and that is wrong.  Do you agree that these statements represented the most intelligent positions for feminism to take?  No – they, for the most part are inflammatory – like much of the belittling comments folks like Tellafriend make.

“A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” (the real intent being, “the culture should value a man as much as a fish values a bicycle”)?  Actually, the intent of this statement was, in the early years of the women’s movement, the push back to the statement that women were not complete with out a man.  Or she could not be a real woman without a man.    It was not meant as how the culture should value men.

“All men are pigs”?   All women do not believe that – if they did why do we get married?

“Don’t cook – starve a rat”?

“Throw rocks at boys”?  This is wrong- I do not agree with this and I have seen it.

“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act”?

“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race”?  Where did this come from?  Why would anyone state this?

“If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.”?  Where did this come from?  What group?  I have never seen this dicussed in woman’s forums?

In light of these statements, is it possible in your view for men to be justifiably ANGRY at this treatment?  Yes.   These statements all resonate with me; I am a man, so all of these statements affect me personally.  And they affect me personally REGARDLESS of my position on women’s issues.  I could agree with EVERYTHING you have said, OneSmartChick, and I would still be a pig, a rat, a valueless entity worthy of stoning, and an entity suitable for an extermination program, in the eyes of feminism.  No, that’s not true for me.  I do not believe all men are the above statement.  And you seem to have your mind made up – but as a member of the 30 – 50 age group of educated married, middle-class women – we do not agree that all men are evil.   ALL men, just by virtue of gender, are permanently evil by these statements.  Yes, I see your point.  And do you see mine – that a women, just by virtue of their gender, are kept from opportunities?  That is what the women’s movement was about.

So why should I give any credence to a movement that hates me, and will continue to hate me, regardless of how much or how little support I give that movement?  I see your point.   I think I have indicated that I am about equal opportunity.  This may come as a shock to you – but I am not a member NOW – I think they serve a very useful purpose in SOME things they do – but I am not a member.  There should be efforts made to clarify feminism and the various positions.   Certainly I don’t view all men with the contempt those statement show – nor do all “woman’s groups” feel that way.  I think we could all go to websites and pull of tag lines like those you represented.  I will look at the website of NOW (I honestly have not looked at it in a while) and will create an open letter to NOW if I see these issues going on.  To me, and many of my so called FEMnatzi friends, feminism was and is about equal opportunity.   We have nothing to prove to anyone but ourselves.   Because of the woman’s movement – I have a friend (female) who is a pilot and she is VERY happy.  She also happens to be married to a guy who thinks that is cool and no he’s not gay!!  Why should women be forced to forgo those opportunities.  That’s all it is about for me…..

09-26-2006 12:25 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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Wow where to start. The ongoing Victimhood that the Cat Herders  speak of is nonsense. Most Men were never in the “Patriarchy” and Feminism is about promoting the Superiority of Women not equality. Most Men worked in Dangerous occupations and Men and Women worked together, raising a Family. Different roles a specialization of Labor. Women went to College in the 1800s. A Woman Doctor was award the Medal of Honor for her assistance during the Civil War.  There were very few women who had opportunties to go to school – my mother – who went to college in the 50’s (the 1950’s) indicated medicine, unless you wanted to be a nurse,  was closed to women.  You were not permitted to take engineering.  Sandra Day O’Connor was one of a few women allowed in law school in the 50’s and NO ONE would hire her to be a lawyer – EVEN THOUGH SHE GRADUATED AT THE TOP OF HER CLASS!!!   AT a top 5 law school!!!   Would a man be forced in that position – NO WAY!!!!   She had to start as a secretary – we have laws against that now – PLEASE go back and read history.   Yes, woman were victims – spinning history any other way is not going to change that.  Unfortunately….

Technology has done more to “Free Women” than the FemNags. And Men shared power to improve the lives of Women. Men saw it as a Social Justice issue, it was the right thing to do. Men who have Daughter, Mothers, Sisters, Girlfriends, Wives wanted more for them. Our thanks was to be demonized, villified, and to be hated.

Example, during the Bosnian War Hilliary complained about how the poor Women were left without any support. Why? The Men and Boys (teenagers) were massacred by the thousands. Sbrenecia (it is the known as the worst disaster of the Bosnia war – yes) is one of those Massacres, when Danish UN Troops stood by while the Serbs took out the Men and Boys from the Albanians and executed them. No mention was made of the Massacres by Hilliary. Why? Men are simply disposable. We don’t matter in our Culture.   This argument is ridiculous on several fronts – no one discounts the lives lost – no one!!!  Hillary was speaking up for the women because women are often pushed under the rug as being disposable.  You take a sound bite – and ASSUME – because she mentions the women left behind – as her not CARING about the lives lost.  I am sure, that if looked at all the testimony regarding the Bosnian war, this was one of many comments made by our elected officials.    A better question to ask yourself is Why do we have the UN?  What have then done?  Why was Sbrencia allowed to happen?  The UN knew the Serbs were in the area?

09-26-2006 12:44 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
tellafriend
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tellafriend

OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:

OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:

“No one agrees with the tenants (sic) of every movement.”

Ok, I will concede the women’s movement historically made some significant gains for women.  But these gains came at the high cultural cost of an entrenched gender war – witness this board to see the gender war at work.  Was this gender war necessary?  Before I reply to this – let me thank you for a non-combative, no name calling response.  This is the first time on this board that I actually think I can respond to you and not get attacked.

Translation: I’m the moral authority here and I am bestowing the royal seal of approval because I’m a dumb biitch who assumes that I’m the standard for morality and decency when in reality, I’m just a hypocritical little child who cannot acknowledge my errors because that would crush my self-esteem. So I adopt the professional victim mentality which helps me blame men for all the troubles I cause. Please remember, as a dumb biitch I will ALWAYS irrationally mischaracterize all mens’ actions because men are BAD! WAHHHHHHHHH!!! and I will always make myself appear like an angel because I’m a delusional biitch who loves to point fingers at everyone but myself.

As I have stated before – feminism, to me, is equal opportunity.

Translation: As I have SHOWN before, feminism is about ME ME ME with a liberal dose of peniis envy. I envy the fact that men have rights and privileges they had to EARN. I want those rights and privileges minus the responsibility, but I don’t want to work for it like men have to. I just expect that people give them to me because I’m special and I have an elitist feminazi mentality which dictates that I deserve anything I want.

My gut tells me that the explosive gender war on this board has to do with some, and again I said some, men who resent that woman don’t need them in the same ways they did in the past.

Translation: I’m a dumb biitch who thinks that women don’t men. Except when it comes to doing anything competently and paying for all the bills, lifting heavy objects, bearing any significant responsibility, maintaining society, etc. Other than that, I’m INDEPENDENT! I AM I AM I AM!!! *20 minute tantrum* Men resent me for being a fugly fat feminazi who is jealous of younger hotter chicks who get all the attention. I want all women to be miserable like me, so I belittle housewives and tell them how wonderful it is to be a hypocritical feminazi like me, complete with menopause mustache.

Meaning a woman can get a job, support herself.

Translation: I pay for my own way. EXCEPT when I hypocritically expect a man to pay FOR ME because he’s a “gentleman.” I use feminazi terms of convenience to have my cake and eat it too. I try to shame men as a childish manipulation tactic in order to live under the delusion of independence.

So now she has options – and with options come choices – the choice to not choose them.

Translation: I have the choice to be a lonely old spinster and repulse real men who will have nothing to do with a hypocritical dumb biitch like me. I also have the choice to drag other women down with me because misery loves company.

Before, a woman pretty much had to marry – she had limited options to support herself.

Translation: Today I can have a man support me and call it “chivalry” because I’m a hypocritical dumb biitch who doesn’t understand the sacrifices men have to make in order to support women. I’m just a little baby who doesn’t understand that adults (men) have RESPONSIBILITIES attached to their “Freedom.” I just want to be a kid forever and be free of ALL RESPONSIBILITIES. I want to have absolute freedom to do whatever I want regardless of who I hurt or how much I contribute to the downfall of society.

I think the issue is that there are men who view woman as a second class citizen – with her limited place, and they honestly believe women have limited intelligence.

Translation: I’m a dumb delusional biitch who thinks I’m smart because my affirmative action diploma told me so. I am smart!!! And if you prove how stupid I am by picking apart my ridiculously hypocritical position, I will just throw a tantrum and hold my breath until I turn blue. I AM SMART!!! I AM !! I AM !! I AM!!! Forget the fact that I’m too efffing stupid to even comprehend the depths of my own hypocrisy or childish behavior. I AM SMART!! YOU WILL PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!! YOU WILL RESPECT MAH ATHRUTAYYYY!!!

Most people don’t appreciate being hated or oppressed due to their gender.

Translation: most men don’t have the guts to act like a professional victim like me. Most men aren’t dumb biitches like me who cry when they don’t get their way. Most men don’t know how to properly throw a tantrum! WAAHHHHHHH!!!! I’m a woman! I’m elite! I’m entitled to everything! wahhhhhhh!!!!

And they respond in anger.

Translation: When I throw an angry tantrum, it’s not angry because I’m a spoiled dumb biitch who can’t hear myself crying out loud. WAAAAHHHHH!!!! MEN ARE BAD!!! WAHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Nowadays – women feel free to speak up when they disagree

Translation: pussified men have allowed dumb biitches like me to yap on incessantly about hypocritical nonsense because they’re too cowardly to tell me the truth– that I’m a spoiled child who never grew up. I erroneously equate idiots standing on a soapbox proclaiming idiocy with real freedom–what men fight and die for.

– again – men who view women as something that should be seen and not heard – get angry.

Translation: Anybody who realizes I’m acting like a dumb biitch and spouting nonsense and calls me on it, making me look like a total idiot in public is just…just ..MEANNNNNNNNNNN!!!! WAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! My self-esteem is hurt! !!! WAHHHHHHH!!!!! Daddy love me!!!! WAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! When I throw a tantrum and spout nonsense, it’s really just me being oppressed! When men rationally and logically poke holes in my idiotic arguments, they’re just “angry”. Yeah it helps me to justify my idiocy to everyone, so I can keep on deluding myself into being the perfect professional victim. Everyone else is to blame for my failures.

Do you see men like that on this board?  I do.

Translation: I see what I want to see because I’m a dumb biitch who not only has selective hearing, but my reading comprehension is at about a 2nd grade level. I do not acknowledge men who make me look stupid by pointing out my blatant idiocy. I shut my eyes to the truth because I’m an attention wh0re and need constant validation from everyone.

You say no one agrees with every tenet of a movement.  Exactly which tenets of the women’s movement do YOU disagree with?  The one that stands out in my mind the most is the trying to reduce the role of the father in the family.  I believe in the two parent family.  To say that a man is a bad father because you, the wife, don’t get along with him is childish.  Women, independent of how they feel about the man as their husband or partner, should nourish the relationship of the father with the children.   I cringe when I see this happening.  It the guy is a good father – let him parent.  Stay out of his way.

As I have indicated before on this board – and apparently some men have issues with this – the women’s movement gave women access to power through the law –

Translation: Pussified men have legalized my idiocy to the point of insanity. This is why society is crumbling around us. The idiot’s movement gave power to childish whims and delusional thinking.

for women to disengage themselves from dangerous situations.

Translations: Women were tired of being responsible for their own actions like men had to be. It was time to play the tantrum card and start whining about the things we didn’t for and never earned, things like respect, credibility and honesty.

You have most likely seen the ridiculous answers I get from this board when I say that women can now leave marriages where they were being beatened.

Translation: Just like my idiocy knows no boundaries, my delusional assessment of the situation also qualifies for a great fictional bedtime story. Women should leave marriages if their shoes don’t accessorize well with their husbands. Or if he gets boring. Kids shmids. It’s all about ME ME ME. My word means nothing that is why I will never get the respect I assume I deserve. Throwing a tantrum is the only way I know how to get anything done. It’s too much work to sound coherent and rational. I wish I had a peniis, so I could be just as competent and respected as a man!

To them  – this is women “breaking up marriages” – “disregarding the role of the father” All you can do is roll your eyes and throw your hands up..

Translation: my tiny brain cannot grasp the sheer idiocy of my arguments. I get frustrated when people point out my idiocy. It makes me feel sad. Then I pout. Then I act like men are evil and I am an innocent angel.

WHY IS EVERYONE BEING MEEAAAANNNNNNN TO ME!!!! WAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I remember one post here that indicated in “Russia, you can backhand your woman and the law doesn’t care”  – With that type of mentality – what can you expect??

Translation: I’m in need a good backhand. I pity any man that has to endure my painful idiocy. I do not come with an “off” button. I only come in two settings: torture mode and whining mode.

Yes, there is a gender war.  I also believe that many people have horrible experiences – like all the sexual harrassment that I have put up with

Translation: my menopause mustache is sexy. Every man wants me. I am so desirable with my cottage cheese thighs and my hot manly dutchboy haircut. How could any man resist my hot soccer mom look! And when men tell jokes at the office, I just can’t have that! I don’t like it when people are not miserable around me! I want everyone to experience my miserable lonely life! I am woman, hear me whine!

09-26-2006 02:46 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
tellafriend
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tellafriend

– being called “The beautful assistant” in an important business meeting and patted on the rear, etc.

Translation: When my boss says, “hey dumb biitch, can you get me another cup of coffee?,” I resent having to do things like that. I was hired to suck d|ck, not fetch coffee. Everyone knows I’m only useful when my mouth is full, otherwise sounds start to come out of it and the sheer volume of idiocy starts to paralzye my male co-workers.

.. all, I feel, to make me an object rather than a functional brain at the table.

Translation: I’m a dumb biitch, sure. But I want people to at least PRETEND I’m smart. That’s why I call myself “smart”. I figure that if I repeat it enough, it will come true. I’m such a dumb biitch teeheehee

I have male friends that have been accused of sexual harrassment because they asked a woman out at work!!  People take their experience to the debate – I know that I take my experiences working at a domestic violence and rape shelter.  That experienced changed my outlook and life.

Translation: Because I was around equally insane emotionally disturbed females, I too became even more disturbed. I quickly dropped the disguise of intelligence and adopted the more familiar (and less MEAN) emotional tantrum-throwing that us women are used to. This caused me to blame men for everything I could think of. I’m a dumb biitch so of course I assume that crying woman = honest woman.

Do you feel it was the best idea for feminism to stigmatize ALL men rather than work with them?    I do not believe that all men oppose equal opportunity for women.

Translation: Not all “men” oppose female hypocrisy. There are many pussified manginas around to support my idiocy.

It is my perception that some sectors of the women’s movement lump all men together and that is wrong.  Do you agree that these statements represented the most intelligent positions for feminism to take?  No – they, for the most part are inflammatory – like much of the belittling comments folks like Tellafriend make.

Translation: If you want to make belittling comments like me, you have to become a total idiot like me. You have to be oblivious to your own hypocrisy. You have to turn a blind eye to your own words. It helps me being a woman. I’m used to being the victim regardless of how I act. This perpetuates my behavior and insulates my idiocy from ever being cured. When I belittle people, I simply forget about it. It helps me preserve my self-esteem. I am Lindsey Lohan, hear me roar!

“A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” (the real intent being, “the culture should value a man as much as a fish values a bicycle”)?  Actually, the intent of this statement was, in the early years of the women’s movement, the push back to the statement that women were not complete with out a man.  Or she could not be a real woman without a man.    It was not meant as how the culture should value men.

Translation: Obviously this statement is false because dumb biitches like me would be nowhere without men. We need pussified men to legalize our idiocy in the court system. And we need real men to demonize so we can feel like professional victims and keep us in an eternal state of arrested development. YAY!

“All men are pigs”?   All women do not believe that – if they did why do we get married?

“Don’t cook – starve a rat”?

“Throw rocks at boys”?  This is wrong- I do not agree with this and I have seen it.

Translation: I have seen girls throw rocks at boys. But strangely the boys threw rocks back. All while chanting, “You throw like a GIRL!”

“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act”?

“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race”?  Where did this come from?  Why would anyone state this?

“If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.”?  Where did this come from?  What group?  I have never seen this dicussed in woman’s forums?

In light of these statements, is it possible in your view for men to be justifiably ANGRY at this treatment?  Yes.   These statements all resonate with me; I am a man, so all of these statements affect me personally.  And they affect me personally REGARDLESS of my position on women’s issues.  I could agree with EVERYTHING you have said, OneSmartChick, and I would still be a pig, a rat, a valueless entity worthy of stoning, and an entity suitable for an extermination program, in the eyes of feminism.  No, that’s not true for me.  I do not believe all men are the above statement.  And you seem to have your mind made up – but as a member of the 30 – 50 age group of educated married, middle-class women – we do not agree that all men are evil.

Translation: Only men like Tellafriend who constantly point out my idiocy are evil. And MEANNNNNN!! WAHHHHHH!!! Evil = not giving me my way! WAHHHHHH!!!!!!!

ALL men, just by virtue of gender, are permanently evil by these statements.  Yes, I see your point.  And do you see mine – that a women, just by virtue of their gender, are kept from opportunities?  That is what the women’s movement was about.

Translation: I’m too much of a dumb biitch to realize that my SHEER IDIOCY is what men are discriminating against. But since I can’t and won’t be held accountable for what I say, I simply dismiss it and chalk it up to gender discrimination. But what can you expect from me? I’m a child who never grew up. I want to be a baby my whole life. It’s so much easier to demonize men than to grow up and accept that I’m a total moron.

So why should I give any credence to a movement that hates me, and will continue to hate me, regardless of how much or how little support I give that movement?  I see your point.   I think I have indicated that I am about equal opportunity.

Translation: Like a dumb biitch, I say exactly what I don’t mean. You’re going to have to get used to this. I’m a woman. I’m allergic to keeping my word. You’ll need a licensed translator like Tellafriend to figure out what I’m really babbling about. I’m not capable of speaking in coherent candid prose.

This may come as a shock to you – but I am not a member NOW

Translation: Please don’t be shocked if I look like a fugly man-hating dyyke. I’m really just a fugly man-hating heterosexual with a masculine haircut.

– I think they serve a very useful purpose in SOME things they do – but I am not a member.  There should be efforts made to clarify feminism and the various positions.   Certainly I don’t view all men with the contempt those statement show – nor do all “woman’s groups” feel that way.  I think we could all go to websites and pull of tag lines like those you represented.  I will look at the website of NOW (I honestly have not looked at it in a while) and will create an open letter to NOW if I see these issues going on.

Translation: I will say something I would never do. Because like a dumb biitch, my word is pretty worthless. If you want something done right, you’ll need to find a REAL MAN to do it. If you need any dishes broken or meals ruined, call me.

To me, and many of my so called FEMnatzi friends, feminism was and is about equal opportunity.

Translation: feminism has always been about having your cake and eating it too. Men are MEANNNNN to point this out. that’s why we need to hide behind delusional slogans like “equal opportunity” in order to mask our sheer idiocy and childish whim wielding tactics. If we get enough pussified men to support us, it doesn’t matter what euphemism we use. REAL MEN are in the minority. We intend to keep it that way by constant victimhood mentality at all costs. Our self-esteem is more important than anything in the known universe. We are our own gods!

We have nothing to prove to anyone but ourselves.   Because of the woman’s movement – I have a friend (female) who is a pilot and she is VERY happy.

Translation: we are very happy herding our 20 cats and watching lonely Sex in the City reruns and trying to ruin other womens’ lives with our sheer idiocy.

She also happens to be married to a guy who thinks that is cool and no he’s not gay!!  Why should women be forced to forgo those opportunities.  That’s all it is about for me…..

Translation: she has found the ideal pussified mangina. He holds her purse when they go shopping and his balls are in her pockets. He’s only allowed outside on a leash and he has an 8pm curfew. All women should try my victimhood mentality. It’s so much easier to sound like a complete moron and throw a tantrum. Men have it hard, having to make sense and act rationally and make coherent arguments. That’s just too daunting. It’s so much easier to giggle and just cater to the pussified men who agree with everything we say.

09-26-2006 02:51 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
khankrumthebulg
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khankrumthebulg
Mary Daly (born October 16, 1928 in Schenectady, New York) is a radical feminist theologian. Before obtaining her three doctorates in sacred theology and philosophy from the University of Fribourg, Switzerland, she received her B.A. in English from The College of Saint Rose, her M.A. in English from The Catholic University of America, and a doctorate in religion from St. Mary’s College. She taught at Boston College, a Jesuit-run institution, for 33 years. Daly was forcibly retired from Boston College in 1999.

Daly is considered by many to be an intriguing and inspirational feminist philosopher who has intricately woven into words the idea of living out a biophilic life; by others she is considered as a misandrist who practices reverse discrimination and perpetuates sexism. Her work has influenced decades of feminist work and theology and continues to make a dramatic impact.

She has advocated research into parthenogenesis (the growth and development of an embryo or seed without fertilization by a male) as a means of creating a male-free paradise. This interpretation of parthenogenesis in her literary work has often been cited by some. However, many understand Parthenogenesis in her philosophical work, Pure Lust: Elemental Feminist Philosophy as naming “…nothing less than the process of a woman creating her Self.”[1]

Controversially, Daly refused to admit male students to her introduction to feminist ethics class at Boston College because the subject matter was specific to female students. Instead, she agreed to meet with male students interested in feminism on an individual basis to teach them how men could become biophilic supporters of the movement. The confrontations came to a head in 1998, when she refused to admit a male student into a class she was teaching. According to Boston College, the conflict unfolded as follows: Boston College confronted her and demanded she admit the student; Daly said that she would rather retire. Boston College used this as a “verbal agreement to retire” and forced her out against her will.

She brought a lawsuit against the college in May 1999 because they had violated her rights as a tenured professor. As the case was about to go to trial in early 2001, Daly and Boston College reached an out-of-court settlement.

Daly recently protested the commencement speech of Condoleezza Rice at Boston College and continues to speak on campuses around the United States as well as internationally.

09-26-2006 03:30 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
tellafriend
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tellafriend

Didn’t the college send her a bon voyage message at the retirement party..er…crisis.. something along the lines of:

C
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T uesday!

09-26-2006 03:50 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

TellaFriend – Your belittling and childish replys to my board response have been posted on  many other chat forums.  Are you in high school?  Why don’t you show your responses (to my post totreclaff ) to those signficant women in your life, if you have any.  People like you cannot hide for long.  Your scorn for women puts you in a sector of males so undesirable by women – you won’t get a second glance.   Your scorn for women oozes from your every fiber.  Don’t tell me about all your **bleep** buddies – animals **bleep** you moron.  You will, unless you change your disdain for women, die old and along.

09-26-2006 05:03 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
Halladay
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Halladay
OneDumbbitch writes..

“TellaFriend – Your belittling and childish replys to my board response have been posted on many other chat forums.”

I’m jealous… why don’t you write a book and post some halladay quotes in it

“People like you cannot hide for long.”

he’s certainly not hiding from your man hating ass

“Don’t tell me about all your **bleep** buddies – animals **bleep** you moron. You will, unless you change your disdain for women, die old and along. ”

Well don’t tell men how lady like you are you piece of disgusting hypocrisy

09-26-2006 05:09 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

OneDumbbitch writes..

“TellaFriend – Your belittling and childish replys to my board response have been posted on many other chat forums.”

I’m jealous… why don’t you write a book and post some halladay quotes in it

“People like you cannot hide for long.”

he’s certainly not hiding from your man hating ass

“Don’t tell me about all your **bleep** buddies – animals **bleep** you moron. You will, unless you change your disdain for women, die old and along. ”

Well don’t tell men how lady like you are you piece of disgusting hypocrisy

Hallday – Grow up – you are as stupid sounding as Tellafriend – if you are going to reply – stop taking what I write out of context.   I dared him to show the belittling, scornful remarks Tellafriend makes about women to his wife (god bless her) or other significant woman in his life.  And – don’t flatter yourself – I don’t need to be a “lady” for you.  Can’t take your harsh words put back on you – then don’t start slinging in the first place.  Didn’t your momma teach you that???

09-26-2006 05:25 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
OneSmartChick
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OneSmartChick

Hey Hallady –

If you are so proud of yourself – why don’t you reveal yourself and put yourself front and center of this debate.  It’s really easy to be nasty about women when you can hide behind a handle in a discussion board.   Why don’t you get yourself a little website and tell all women how you view them as subservient to a man?  Tell them they are stupid.  See how many women you get?  Tell them they are “stupid bitches” and are only fit to cook and clean for you?  Put your money where your mouth is tough guy!!!!!

09-26-2006 05:31 PM

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Halladay
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OneDumbbitch writes..

“Hey Hallady –

If you are so proud of yourself – why don’t you reveal yourself and put yourself front and center of this debate. It’s really easy to be nasty about women when you can hide behind a handle in a discussion board.”

What the f^&* do you want.. my blood ? my guts ? for me to die on the battlefield for you ? if you haven’t already noticed , i will not do these things for your brand of male hating feminists.

And besides.. you aren’t hiding ? you mean, i’m seeing everything about you on this board ? you want to live to live by the same standards you apply to me ?

“Put your money where your mouth is tough guy!!!!! ”

LOL

this site is free for me. go take some hard core economics classes instead of women’s studies classes and that way you can learn how to do or get stuff for free.

09-26-2006 05:42 PM

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OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:
TellaFriend – Your belittling and childish replys to my board response have been posted on  many other chat forums.  Are you in high school?  Why don’t you show your responses (to my post totreclaff ) to those signficant women in your life, if you have any.  People like you cannot hide for long.  Your scorn for women puts you in a sector of males so undesirable by women – you won’t get a second glance.   Your scorn for women oozes from your every fiber.  Don’t tell me about all your **bleep** buddies – animals **bleep** you moron.  You will, unless you change your disdain for women, die old and along.

Dear Pathetic Cat Lady Douchebag (Please be sure to quote me exactly as my greeting is particularly poignant, descriptive, fitting, emanicipated from Feminazi indignation and true)

I’m very happy that you’ve posted me in other chat forums. I know you think you’re vilifying me at these Feminazi potlucks.. you know.. where all the chubby fugly chicks over 30 get together and share cat food recipes while plotting the overthrow of mankind.

But guess what dumb biitch. It’s only going to spread the male cause and hopefully innoculate other boards against yapping angry women like you.

I know how I get under your skin so much, it kills you hahahahaha I make you so bitter and angry because you can’t control me like you do a lot of guys on here. You get them to buy into giving you the intellectual respect you think you deserve. But you HATE that I just keep exposing your idiocy at every turn hahahaha.. awwwwwww.. poor baby is going to throw another tantrum.. “WAHHHHHHH!!!! SOMEBODY WON’T GIVE ME MY WAYYYYY!!! WAHHHHHH!!!!”

I’ve dealt with and trained plenty of ridiculous incoherent yapping biitches like you. I know your predictable cliched tactics and responses. The only thing that changes over time is the color coordination of my ridicule. You’re the original Emperoress in her New Clothes. And I’m the original finger pointing at your naked idiocy. And you hate the laughter I’m generating in your direction. So much so that your true colors are coming out. As a ridiculous childish dumb biitch, you can’t HELP but revert back to your true self.

Undernearth all your comical intellectual posturing, you’re just a ridiculous deluded naggy dumb biitch bitter at men that we get rights and privileges we had to work for and earn. As a child, you assume that you deserve things just by virtue of being born a woman. Feminism has served to humiliate you. The problem is you’re too efffing stupid to understand your own hypocrisy.

But have no fear, tellafriend is here Your complete idiocy will not go unappreciated as I know you hang on my every word even though you hypocritically tell your fellow feminazis to ignore me. Your drama queen antics are exactly the type of childish behavior that got you here in the first place.

Hahah the hilarious part is you assume that just because I don’t goose step to the Feminazi national anthem that I’ll die alone and miserable. That’s actually called “projection.” That’s where you project your current pathetic lonely existence onto me to cope with all your emotional problems. I got news for you, Grandma, and I know this is going to hurt your self-esteem as a raging bull dyyke queen, but I get more pu$$y than you because I know just how you dumb biitches operate. If it weren’t for childish have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too feminism, there would be no Pick-up Artists to speak of.. But since women in this day and age respond to hypocrisy and respond to dishonesty, dishonesty is EXACTLY what they have gotten.

You know that famous saying: “You made your bed, now lie in it.”

Let me update it for you feminazi hags: “You grew your own menopause mustache, now BRAID IT.”

…and yes OneDUMBBIITCH, you can quote me on that.

ps. The next time I need a childish dumb biitch like you to condescend to me, I’ll talk to a door knob.

09-26-2006 05:48 PM

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Pete
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Pete

OneSmartChick wrote:

This is exactly the crap that fueled the woman’s movement. Because I have goals and dreams that I pursue outside of the home, you are angry and combative to me. The tradedy is men like you exist. You are an example of a disgusting, perverted, bitter man

Just look at your responses on this thread. They’re all childish, hysterical tantrums. You have gone completely out of control.

And it all started because you couldn’t bear the stark truth that increasing numbers of men do not desire American woman like you, and seek foreign women instead to share their lives with.

However much this truth gnaws at your feelings of self-worth and self-esteem, in the end you will have to grin and bear it – because exploding in jealous anger will not make the truth go away.

You will also at some point have to quit incessantly blaming men for the inadequacies and limitations that nature has imposed on you as a woman. As it stands right now, foreign women mop the floor with you in terms of personality, behavior, intelligence, and femininity – not to mention just sheer physical beauty.

09-26-2006 05:53 PM

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tellafriend

OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:

Hallday – Grow up – you are as stupid sounding as Tellafriend – if you are going to reply – stop taking what I write out of context.   I dared him to show the belittling, scornful remarks Tellafriend makes about women to his wife (god bless her) or other significant woman in his life.  And – don’t flatter yourself – I don’t need to be a “lady” for you.  Can’t take your harsh words put back on you – then don’t start slinging in the first place.  Didn’t your momma teach you that???

HAHAHAHAHAHHAH

You dumb biitch, that’s EXACTLY what I do.

I’ve shown 3 women my posts in response to your idiocy. I have to say I was a little jealous because they laughed a little harder than I did, not being privy to what I was already thinking.

Now you dumb biitch, I dare you to start going door to door and introducing yourself as the feminazi hag you are that hates men, complete with pamphlets and hitler mustache.

Or you could just trim your menopause mustache down to eraser size right under your nose

Now go fetch your stick you dumb biitch.

09-26-2006 05:55 PM

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Halladay
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Halladay
OneBattyBitch writes..

“Hallday – Grow up – you are as stupid sounding as .. ”

And you are telling me to grow up ?

“I don’t need to be a “lady” for you”

well then stop describing yourself as one

“Can’t take your harsh words put back on you – then don’t start slinging in the first place.”

LOL .. ummmm.. I don’t see any damage cupcake. Can you , like, sling a little harder so I can feel it ???

09-26-2006 06:20 PM

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Diogetrix
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Diogetrix

Come on, guys. I haven’t read a post by her for about a week, and don’t plan to do so in the future. There are few of us on this board, and there’s not much use in debunking the rhetoric. We all know what she is, and what she does. This is just a tongue lashing back and forth, and you don’t want her tongue anywhere near you. But, I’ll bet she’s doing this because of some tongue problem in her life. Just mentally iggy the red text – it’s the stuff that looks like the engorged rear of a baboon.

09-26-2006 06:25 PM

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SM777
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“But, I’ll bet she’s doing this because of some tongue problem in her life.”

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As we all know, gentlemen, lesbians are good at using their tongues.

09-26-2006 06:37 PM

Re: Foreign Brides
MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
OneSmartChick wrote: …Why don’t you get yourself a little website and tell all women how…

Interesting idea/experiment.

Here’s an actual response I got:

From: unknown (annad***@sympatico.ca)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 18:56:05
Subject: The Princessa

F**k you….you pompous, arrogant, self-glorified,
closed-minded jack ass.
I guess a person needs a little bit of
intelligence to really understand her theory and
honesty about life. Try and get one sometime
soon…

signed: Princessa

One what?

Anyway, what was this in response to? A book review of Harriet Rubin’s “The Princessa”, which actually included going to a lecture to hear her speak (after I’d read the book). You’d think I’d get bonus points for being about the only guy in the audience.

Here was my webpage, one of about 200 pages at my site…

This book quietly snuck onto the best-seller lists sometime in 1997 and the author has, I suppose, become something of a heroine among wannabe yuppie-type career oriented women with a case of executive-office envy — and the need for yet another how-to advice book, as if all the advice columns in women’s magazines weren’t already enough. This is basically a book for dissatisfied narcissists who need some uplifting, though I have to commend it for being relatively low on male-bashing.

Both the title and the first parts of the text would lead one to believe this book is for women what its famous namesake was for men. This would be a mistake because Machiavelli’s work was not for the common man — it would have reminded them of their lack of power — but, rather, for the rare (and, yes, privileged in some sense) man who was a prince and bore the responsibility for the well-being of the people of his kingdom. That was back in the good old days before democratic ideals, when men’s superior physical strength mattered sometimes, and very few men were more than illiterate drones with an abysmally short lifespan.

This book, on the other hand, seems much more for the broader audience of well-educated, relatively affluent and privileged — yes, these “oppressed” women have it pretty easy compared to 95% of the females on the planet — women of the cushier parts of Western industrial societies who drive nice cars in neighborhoods made safe and comfortable (by men) for shopping (by women). There’s hardly much here of relevance for the K-Mart retail sales clerk or the late-night waitress at the downtown Denny’s. Of course the age of real princes is long gone, so it’s a little hard to see how Machiavelli’s work could serve as a guide for today’s ubiquitous princesses. The analogy is faulty because times have changed, but it’s a nifty trick to make everyone think women are a couple of hundred years behind the times.

Rubin’s book has little to say about powerful women’s responsibilities to those in their common individual kingdom’s (such as classrooms). This is a severe oversight because the book purports to be primarily about power, but it starts with the feminist assumption that women have none. (Similarly, she believes that all the men in the world got together one day and made all the rules, though I know I wasn’t invited…) What the book does say about power is often amorphous, self-contradictory, and ignorant of the body of scholarly work on the subject. Frankly, Claude Steiner’s work in the area seems to me to be much more clearsighted.

From Steiner’s viewpoint, Rubin is almost obsessively focused on “one down”-ness and guerilla tactics. This is never clearly stated as a given. It just kind of dawns on you as you read on that the heroes and heroines whose biographies she’s studied (and related in part in the book). Since power is relative, it also doesn’t help that she ignores the fact that many of these case studies are in fact quite powerful people. It’s only in relation to what they’re up against that they pale in comparison. That they exist more in the realm of politics, where constituencies of the truly downtrodden and oppressed can be built, than in business is also glossed over. I think this leads to a lot of confusion on the author’s part because she ignores what men know, namely that there’s an important sense in which service is power of a sorts. But, who knows?, maybe Gandhi can inspire you to land that big contract or write the Great American novel.

So Rubin has a definite preference for reputed underdogs. Unfortunately, there’s also a belief in “woman’s special nature”, which seems like actual topdog power to me…

Ok, you get the idea: a critique of the book combined with a little social criticism thrown in for interest.

So, don’t bother with the webpages — unless you want to write them for other men, which I fully support doing.

OneDumbChicks admonition to “be a man” is, as usual, so far beyond idiotic as to require the invention of an entirely new word.

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09-26-2006 08:49 PM

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tellafriend

MartianBachelor wrote:
OneSmartChick wrote: …Why don’t you get yourself a little website and tell all women how…

Interesting idea/experiment.

I think i’ll get started on the website right about now. Who wants to pitch in? These men’s activism sites just aren’t cutting it.

09-26-2006 10:08 PM

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Halladay
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Halladay

MartianBachelor :

“Here’s an actual response I got:

From: unknown (annad***@sympatico.ca)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 18:56:05
Subject: The Princessa

F**k you….you pompous, arrogant, self-glorified,
closed-minded jack ass.
I guess a person needs a little bit of
intelligence to really understand her theory and
honesty about life. Try and get one sometime
soon…

signed: Princessa”

Martian… you should have asked precious princess if she would go out on a date after that one.

09-26-2006 11:54 PM

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Halladay
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Martian..  or you should have asked her if she would try to like you.

LOL

09-26-2006 11:57 PM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
“you should have asked precious princess if she would go out on a date after that one.”

You can see from her email address that she was from Canada. Given the thread topic and my handle, I’ll only say Canada isn’t “foreign” enough for my tastes.

Harriet herself was another matter: if she’d been younger I might have considered her salvageable back then.

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09-27-2006 09:27 AM

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Halladay
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Halladay

“You can see from her email address that she was from Canada. Given the thread topic and my handle, I’ll only say Canada isn’t “foreign” enough for my tastes.”

i also saw from her email it was from june 1998..  if only i kept records that well !

09-27-2006 08:47 PM

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PatriarchVerlch
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OneSmartChick wrote:
Wow where to start. The ongoing Victimhood that the Cat Herders  speak of is nonsense. Most Men were never in the “Patriarchy” and Feminism is about promoting the Superiority of Women not equality. Most Men worked in Dangerous occupations and Men and Women worked together, raising a Family. Different roles a specialization of Labor. Women went to College in the 1800s. A Woman Doctor was award the Medal of Honor for her assistance during the Civil War.  There were very few women who had opportunties to go to school – my mother – who went to college in the 50’s (the 1950’s) indicated medicine, unless you wanted to be a nurse,  was closed to women.  You were not permitted to take engineering.  Sandra Day O’Connor was one of a few women allowed in law school in the 50’s and NO ONE would hire her to be a lawyer – EVEN THOUGH SHE GRADUATED AT THE TOP OF HER CLASS!!!   AT a top 5 law school!!!   Would a man be forced in that position – NO WAY!!!!   She had to start as a secretary – we have laws against that now – PLEASE go back and read history.   Yes, woman were victims – spinning history any other way is not going to change that.  Unfortunately….

Technology has done more to “Free Women” than the FemNags. And Men shared power to improve the lives of Women. Men saw it as a Social Justice issue, it was the right thing to do. Men who have Daughter, Mothers, Sisters, Girlfriends, Wives wanted more for them. Our thanks was to be demonized, villified, and to be hated.

Example, during the Bosnian War Hilliary complained about how the poor Women were left without any support. Why? The Men and Boys (teenagers) were massacred by the thousands. Sbrenecia (it is the known as the worst disaster of the Bosnia war – yes) is one of those Massacres, when Danish UN Troops stood by while the Serbs took out the Men and Boys from the Albanians and executed them. No mention was made of the Massacres by Hilliary. Why? Men are simply disposable. We don’t matter in our Culture.   This argument is ridiculous on several fronts – no one discounts the lives lost – no one!!!  Hillary was speaking up for the women because women are often pushed under the rug as being disposable.  You take a sound bite – and ASSUME – because she mentions the women left behind – as her not CARING about the lives lost.  I am sure, that if looked at all the testimony regarding the Bosnian war, this was one of many comments made by our elected officials.    A better question to ask yourself is Why do we have the UN?  What have then done?  Why was Sbrencia allowed to happen?  The UN knew the Serbs were in the area?

A degree used to mean a high paying job as men only used to go to college. Now with the mass migration of women, a degree does not mean so much anymore as too many women are getting them, and devaluing the paper they are written on. A college degree used to mean, your highered on the spot. Now how many waitresses do you see with college degrees in women’s studies and political science. Hardly Rocket science there princess.

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

09-28-2006 02:11 PM

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PatriarchVerlch
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PatriarchVerlch

Meaning a woman can get a job, support herself.  So now she has options – and with options come choices – the choice to not choose them.

At what cost to society as a whole? Now some men go through life without being able to find a wife! A helpmate a companion. Now a woman can support herself, without the help of a man! Great now a certain percentage of men are losing their minds!

You cannot point me to one thing feminism has done for society that is good. Every single thing it has done, has resulted in destruction. It is my theory that unmarried women, not only suffer mental damage, they are projecting that misery on the men around them! It’s causing social decay!

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

09-28-2006 02:15 PM

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MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor

PatriarchVerlch wrote: …You cannot point me to one thing feminism has done for society that is good. Every single thing it has done, has resulted in destruction. It is my theory that unmarried women, not only suffer mental damage, they are projecting that misery on the men around them! It’s causing social decay!

Interesting theory…

Of all the double standards regarding the sexes, perhaps none is so baneful as the double standard surrounding those who get beyond a certain age — generally taken to be at least thirty and perhaps only a little beyond thirty-five at the most — and are not (yet) married.

Two quite different sets of explanations are offered for the two sexes. For men we have the following:

* Homosexuality — not that there’s anything wrong with it, just that it doesn’t particulary help serve women’s interests.

* Committment-phobic — ditto; just kidding… this is sort of like how a couple of generations ago women who wouldn’t “put out” sexually for men were frequently labelled “frigid” (a word one never hears anymore) and sent to the psychiatrist.

* Refuses to grow up — An impossibility, biologically speaking. One might contend that easily falling under the spell of a woman is acually a sign of immaturity.

* Hopelessly attached to mother — the maternal instinct being one of the strongest and most fundamental known in the animal kingdom, this seems like an example of blaming the male for the power of the female over him. The cliche of the domineering Jewish mother is perhaps the prototype here, though the movie “Psycho” might also be referenced. One rarely if ever hears of anyone, male or female, being hopelessly attached to their father.

* Intimidated by smart, successful, independent women — though of course by the time a woman can claim this she is of such an age that simple undesirability is a more plausible explanation since no one can really tell by looking that she has all these admirable qualities. Also, since 85+% of women marry by the age of thirty, a woman closer to forty is statistically much less likely to be both unattached and childless, and therefore worth the trouble of even approaching, which compounds with the age factor.

* Socially inept — even though I could argue that what is meant should properly be called “personally inept”, this is what men who are basically undesirable to women are thought to be, so little are men understood by women. Typically applied to males who might be heavily into things which women don’t understand or care about because they don’t seem to involve the direct pursuit of money, like computer systems (think Bill Gates before he had mega-billions) but poets and other sensitive artistic types also frequently fall into this category. While women are all for “diversity”, any slight deviation from their unspoken expectations in the male role throws them off entirely and elicits a zero-tolerance response.

* Shy — a weak form of the former; there seems to be a demand here on the part of women for sexually aggressive and extroverted males, at least for purposes of breeding and exploitation, in spite of proclamations from pop-feminists that concommitant properties such as sensitivity, thoughtfulness, and consideration for others are desirable.

What all these have in common is that they are basically pathologies of one sort or another.

The other important thing all these have in common – with the exception of the first item – is that they’ve all been invented entirely by women talking amongst themselves and agreeing with each other about those pathetic males. There’s little in the way of any reference to what guys have to say about any of this. No real data. Yes, some compliant males can be found to agree, but it’s not like they have much choice. Younger men especially are not generally very articulate in the language of such matters, so it’s easier and causes fewer hassles to just go with one off the multiple choice list. This is no wonder when the quiz is called “What’s the Matter With You?”.

Ok, for women there are two slightly different possibilities which one commonly hears:

* She’s picky – which everyone understands to be self-congratulatory, the very epitome of female good mental health and a high self-esteem, since we all know the opposite of “picky” is “easy”. In those rare instances where instead it’s “You go, grrrrl”, well that’s just her being “empowered”, not “easy”.

* The Great American Man Shortage – see previous list.

So is that projection, or what?

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“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

09-28-2006 06:08 PM

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Pete
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Pete

3rdworldwm wrote:
OneSmartChick,
Those men are sick minded. It is no use to reasoning with them. I suggest don’t waste your time anymore.

Do not ever delude yourself into believing that being a woman exempts you from rebuke. Your childish response above is the response of a loser, i.e., a woman like you who knows she has lost, because she knows deep down she is a second-rate, inferior creature who lacks those male qualities to be able to defeat a man’s arguments on the merits.

Get this through your head, turdworldwm: you are inferior to men in both thought and action. Women are helpless and clueless as to how to navigate through life, which is why they must be watched over by men to make sure they behave properly and don’t f*ck up.

09-28-2006 07:40 PM

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HappyMom
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HappyMom
OSC

I happily wear the labels homophobic and sexist. I am actually not afraid of homosexuals however I belive that their base behavior is destructive to society, spreads disease and is the only sin for whcih God destroyed an entire civilization (Sodom & Gomorrah) and is singled out in Romans 1 as behavior indicating God has given someone up to their own lusts. In otherwords, it should be avoided at all costs and much as I would tell murders and adulters that they are doing wrong, I would tell a homosexual the same.

I do not agree that feminism was ever about equality. Yes I vote, even in local shcool board elections. However, I see feminism for the thinly vieled communism and facism that it is based on years of face-to-face experience and attempts at indocurnization that you call “college education.” I went to an all girls college for 2 years and I’ve seen you pit vipers up close and personal and gotten to knnow you madness all to well.

While I enjoy my right to vote, women as a whole have tended to vote for assinine policies and leaders based on misguided emotion. So much so I would give up my right to vote if it meant no other women in America could do it either. I don’t view my education as having merit on its own. Being able to read and write is one thing being able to discuss French Existentialism is retarded.

Message Edited by HappyMom on 10-01-200602:23 AM

10-01-2006 02:21 AM

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