Acceptance of Misogyny in American Culture


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Acceptance of Misogyny in American Culture
Back2TheKitchen
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BOB HERBERT: Why Aren’t We Shocked?
October 16th, 2006

“Who needs a brain when you have these?”

— message on an Abercrombie & Fitch T-shirt for young women

In the recent shootings at an Amish schoolhouse in rural Pennsylvania and a large public high school in Colorado, the killers went out of their way to separate the girls from the boys, and then deliberately attacked only the girls.

Ten girls were shot and five killed at the Amish school. One girl was killed and a number of others were molested in the Colorado attack.

In the widespread coverage that followed these crimes, very little was made of the fact that only girls were targeted. Imagine if a gunman had gone into a school, separated the kids up on the basis of race or religion, and then shot only the black kids. Or only the white kids. Or only the Jews.

There would have been thunderous outrage. The country would have first recoiled in horror, and then mobilized in an effort to eradicate that kind of murderous bigotry. There would have been calls for action and reflection. And the attack would have been seen for what it really was: a hate crime.

None of that occurred because these were just girls, and we have become so accustomed to living in a society saturated with misogyny that violence against females is more or less to be expected. Stories about the rape, murder and mutilation of women and girls are staples of the news, as familiar to us as weather forecasts. The startling aspect of the Pennsylvania attack was that this terrible thing happened at a school in Amish country, not that it happened to girls.

The disrespectful, degrading, contemptuous treatment of women is so pervasive and so mainstream that it has just about lost its ability to shock. Guys at sporting events and other public venues have shown no qualms about raising an insistent chant to nearby women to show their breasts. An ad for a major long-distance telephone carrier shows three apparently naked women holding a billing statement from a competitor. The text asks, “When was the last time you got screwed?”

An ad for Clinique moisturizing lotion shows a woman’s face with the lotion spattered across it to simulate the climactic shot of a porn video.

We have a problem. Staggering amounts of violence are unleashed on women every day, and there is no escaping the fact that in the most sensational stories, large segments of the population are titillated by that violence. We’ve been watching the sexualized image of the murdered 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey for 10 years. JonBenet is dead. Her mother is dead. And we’re still watching the video of this poor child prancing in lipstick and high heels.

What have we learned since then? That there’s big money to be made from thongs, spandex tops and sexy makeovers for little girls. In a misogynistic culture, it’s never too early to drill into the minds of girls that what really matters is their appearance and their ability to please men sexually.

A girl or woman is sexually assaulted every couple of minutes or so in the U.S. The number of seriously battered wives and girlfriends is far beyond the ability of any agency to count. We’re all implicated in this carnage because the relentless violence against women and girls is linked at its core to the wider society’s casual willingness to dehumanize women and girls, to see them first and foremost as sexual vessels — objects — and never, ever as the equals of men.

“Once you dehumanize somebody, everything is possible,” said Taina Bien-Aimé, executive director of the women’s advocacy group Equality Now.

That was never clearer than in some of the extreme forms of pornography that have spread like nuclear waste across mainstream America. Forget the embarrassed, inhibited raincoat crowd of the old days. Now Mr. Solid Citizen can come home, log on to this $7 billion mega-industry and get his kicks watching real women being beaten and sexually assaulted on Web sites with names like “Ravished Bride” and “Rough Sex — Where Whores Get Owned.”

Then, of course, there’s gangsta rap, and the video games where the players themselves get to maul and molest women, the rise of pimp culture (the Academy Award-winning song this year was “It’s Hard Out Here for a Pimp”), and on and on.

You’re deluded if you think this is all about fun and games. It’s all part of a devastating continuum of misogyny that at its farthest extreme touches down in places like the one-room Amish schoolhouse in normally quiet Nickel Mines, Pa.

http://majorityreportradio.wordpress.com/2006/10/16/bob-herbert-why-aren%e2%80%99t-we-shocked/

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“With women or the female mindset imparted through feminization on the vast majority of society, it will be very easy to control the Empire…I mean…the republic.” – mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com

10-17-2006 01:57 AM

Re: Acceptance of Misogyny in American Culture
ZammoTheWeird
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A girl or woman is sexually assaulted every couple of minutes or so in the U.S. The number of seriously battered wives and girlfriends is far beyond the ability of any agency to count.

Mr. Mangina has his facts wrong. He’s been checking feminist websites for his “statistics”.

In fact, this whole piece sounds like a woman wrote it – full of emotion and dramatically poor logic.

The tragedy of anyone getting shot as they were at those schools is beyond the pale of human experience. But highlighting the fact that only girls were targetted does little to advance equality between the sexes. After all, feminism seeks equality, right? Oh, wait….nevermind.

10-17-2006 11:49 AM

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Diogetrix
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Diogetrix

There was an interesting case of ‘school yard shooting’ in the San Diego area about ten years ago. A young man went there apparently looking to shoot a counselor or vice principal. I forget if he actually took anyone out – some armed security or a local cop shot the guy up, hit him in the butt and the mouth, and he was arrested. But, there was something weird that I noticed over the next few hours, days, months, and finally years. Not once that I could find was the identity of the intended target mentioned by name – by position in the school administration, but never by name or (and this is the weird part) by a gender specific pronoun. Every TV, radio, newsprint report on the crime, the shooter, the aftermath, the trial, nowhere was any story written in such a way that you could determine the sex of the intended target. But, it was made clear that it was a grievance attack.
At first I thought they were trying to protect the intended victim against possible attack by friends or cohorts of the shooter. But, that didn’t make sense because if they knew the shooter, they probably would already know, and if they were also angry they certainly would have known who the target of their anger was.
I finally understood. They were trying to keep it quiet that men are becoming angry enough to kill. Not just to kill, but to kill the person or persons who are seen as the source of injustice to men in the US.
I realized that the PR style of the US media and corporate culture would make it impossible for me to ever verify this if they were trying to hide it, so I kept my ears open for further evidence. But, since it is virtually impossible to hide the victims of school shootings, their identities or sex, I had to conclude that this incident was unusual because the victim had not been shot – she (?) escaped – and so they could keep the intended victim’s sex secret.
In other shootings, where the victims were not so lucky, the media could use the ‘violence against women’ angle.
Ultimately, what the media will do is avoid reporting any possibility that the attacker had a rational, understandable, or (gasp) justifiable motive – even from his own point of view.
When the authorities are trying to spin reality, and trying to slant the news to marginalize or obscure the motive of a crime, they usually characterize the criminal as ‘mad’ or ‘bad,’ insane or evil. They will never allow the possibility that the ‘victim’ brought the crime into being.
Obviously, if the shooter went to the San Diego school with a particular target because of a grudge, that can be dealt with in one way. But, if a shooter targets his victims because of their sex, race, politics, etc. because he had been victimized by members of that group, that is a different matter. It makes me think of the way the media parrots the line ‘They hate us for our freedoms.’ Hmmm.

10-17-2006 11:57 AM

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dumbbroad
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“But, if a shooter targets his victims because of their sex, race, politics, etc. because he had been victimized by members of that group that is a different matter.”

How do you differentiate between having a grudge and being victimized? That seems like a very slippery slope. What about the school shootings? Those kids targeted kids who allegedly made fun of them at school, essentially victimizing them in some way, I imagine. I don’t doubt that some of these shooters were subjected to ridicule by some snot-nosed high school kids, but do the victims of bullying therefore have a right to blow them away?

Do you have more details on the shooting you discuss in the post btw? I’d be interested to read more.

10-17-2006 03:25 PM

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tellafriend
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tellafriend

the article should be retitled “Acceptance of MANGINAS in American Culture”

This is just another pussified emasculated man doing the normal self-loathing routine perpetuated by feminism.

I wish these efffing maginas would just cut to the chase:

Men, BAD.

Women, GOOD.

Demonize men and men will become ….demons.

This is what happens when women try to have their cake and eat it too.

10-17-2006 03:49 PM

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Cassius
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WTF What the Hell, how godamn braindead do you have to be ? He could just be happy the boys have been spared but nooo. Next thing you know titel IX will require the school to kill a boy for each girl that has been killed. By the utter inlogic and incoherentness of the articel I bet it was a female writer posting using a male name. Hardcore feminists often put a male name under their articel hoping it will get more weight that way, but guess what, it makes it even more ridiculous.

10-17-2006 05:43 PM

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Diogetrix
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Diogetrix

You missed the part where I was generalizing about acts of vengence, using this particular – or, any recent school shootings – as an example. Nowhere did I say that any particular shooter was actually justified. That is a matter that each person has to decide for himself, and as I have said before, justice is always an individual matter, not quantifiable by any method I know of.

10-17-2006 10:43 PM

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phatkat811
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dumbbroad wrote:

“But, if a shooter targets his victims because of their sex, race, politics, etc. because he had been victimized by members of that group that is a different matter.”

How do you differentiate between having a grudge and being victimized? That seems like a very slippery slope. What about the school shootings? Those kids targeted kids who allegedly made fun of them at school, essentially victimizing them in some way, I imagine. I don’t doubt that some of these shooters were subjected to ridicule by some snot-nosed high school kids, but do the victims of bullying therefore have a right to blow them away?

Do you have more details on the shooting you discuss in the post btw? I’d be interested to read more.

Most criminals believe they had a right, in some way, to do what they did. They will blame everyone but themselves, initially at the very least.

10-18-2006 11:36 PM

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Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet
FatBat your presence in any discussion stuffs it up.

Even dumbbroad is addressing things that have already been dealt with less than you are here.

What you just posted is ALREADY CONCEDED. The discussion point is how to tell the difference
from someone who really did have a right and who didn’t.

If you can’t keep up with the discussion in the slightest you should really f*ck off because
you can only drag it down with your attempt at a self-serving reminder to us that you work as a professional biitch.

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

10-18-2006 11:53 PM

Re: Acceptance of Misogyny in American Culture
phatkat811
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phatkat811
FatBat your presence in any discussion stuffs it up.

Nobody’s forcing you to respond to me. I rarely post again if I don’t get a response.

Even dumbbroad is addressing things that have already been dealt with less than you are here.

No, not really. The closest was Digo who said that most people’s actions are justified to themselves. I was saying that it is the nature of the criminal mind to blame everyone else, which is not the same as actually feeling that their actions are justified. To most people, it’s a given that criminals are manipulative.

What you just posted is ALREADY CONCEDED. The discussion point is how to tell the difference from someone who really did have a right and who didn’t.

The article, and discussion, is partially about people who shoot people because of a non-life-threatening act, or who shoot people because they are a different gender or race than someone else. If you really need to discuss whether either of these people have a right to kill someone, you’re worse off than I thought.

If you can’t keep up with the discussion in the slightest you should really f*ck off because
you can only drag it down with your attempt at a self-serving reminder to us that you work as a professional biitch.

I really don’t care who knows what I do for a living; and knowing that the criminal mind is self-serving and irrationally self-justifying is hardly specialized knowledge.

You’re getting awfully irate over one post that didn’t even mean much to you. They are WORDS ON A COMPUTER SCREEN, mmkay buddy? I’m sure your anger has better targets.

10-19-2006 02:20 AM

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Happy_Bullet
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Nobody’s forcing you to respond to me. I rarely post again if I don’t get a response.

That’s right. Abdicate responsibility for being a pushy dumb illogical retard like a true professional biitch that has to have the last word.

No, not really. The closest was Digo who said that most people’s actions are justified to themselves. I was saying that it is the nature of the criminal mind to blame everyone else, which is not the same as actually feeling that their actions are justified. To most people, it’s a given that criminals are manipulative.

Yes, really. You’ve just restated what you said and given no new information. Something that has been dealt with on a level far below the discussion in the thread.

The article, and discussion, is partially about people who shoot people because of a non-life-threatening act, or who shoot people because they are a different gender or race than someone else. If you really need to discuss whether either of these people have a right to kill someone, you’re worse off than I thought.

Yeah on a dumbarse oversimplified level. Not much point in discussing it with you because the concepts everyone else are up to would take 200 repeats of explanation before you understood.

I really don’t care who knows what I do for a living;

Obviously because from day one you’ve kept mentioning random crap about yourself that noone cares about, as if it is somehow relevant.

and knowing that the criminal mind is self-serving and irrationally self-justifying is hardly specialized knowledge.

YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT THIS WHICH IS WHY IT DIDN’T NEED TO BE MENTIONED BY YOU. GET IT MORON?

You’re getting awfully irate over one post that didn’t even mean much to you. They are WORDS ON A COMPUTER SCREEN, mmkay buddy? I’m sure your anger has better targets.

I’m irate because your presence on this message board is an insult to my and almost every other poster’s intelligence.

Message Edited by Happy_Bullet on 10-19-200604:51 AM

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

10-19-2006 03:05 AM

Re: Acceptance of Misogyny in American Culture
phatkat811
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phatkat811

Happy_Bullet wrote:

I’m irate because your presence on this message board is an insult to my and almost every other poster’s intelligence.

Message Edited by Happy_Bullet on 10-19-200604:51 AM

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That’s funny on so many levels I don’t even know where to begin. Thanks though, I didn’t think I could laugh so early in the morning on so little sleep.

PS – I’m sorry that it pi$$es you off so badly that I mentioned my job (I believe it was you who was attacking it before as well). The thing is, this is a board for discussing women who have careers, and I happen to love what I do. When this happens, it naturally comes out. If it offends you so much that I am happy with my job, perhaps that’s a sign that you need to look at your own, eh?

10-19-2006 07:31 AM

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tellafriend
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tellafriend

phatkat811 wrote:

Most criminals believe they had a right, in some way, to do what they did. They will blame everyone but themselves, initially at the very least.

hahahahah Basically what this stupid biitch is saying is that the majority of women are criminals thanks to Feminism.

I.e. Good women aren’t found. They’re TRAINED.

Now go fetch your stick, you dumb biitch

10-19-2006 07:40 PM

Re: Acceptance of Misogyny in American Culture
CosTas
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CosTas

I think the author IS a woman and troll.

Hundreds of male soldiers and civilians get killed every day all around the world, still in the media reports it is presented as”10 people were killed in a blast” or whatever.. .

However, when a woma(e)n  gets killed (usually in a shelter, as recently in Lebanon), you get it rubbed in your face repeatedly as a disgrace and outrage.

What a hypocrisy!

10-20-2006 05:56 AM

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