AHAHAH: Nervous men kill off the office romance


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AHAHAH: Nervous men kill off the office romance
Happy_Bullet
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2394059_1,00.html

Nervous men kill off the office romance
Roger Dobson and Yuba Bessaoud

A SERIES of high-profile harassment cases has sparked the first signs of “segregation” in the workplace as relationships between the sexes are disrupted by mutual suspicion.

Men are self-censoring innocent compliments and office banter when in mixed company, killing off office romance, according to a study by psychologists at the University of California, Los Angeles.

The academics have identified the emergence of a “glass partition” between the sexes that, they say, is also damaging the career prospects of women.

Kim Elsesser, co-author of Glass Partition: Obstacles to Cross-sex Friendships at Work, published in the academic journal Human Relations said: “The unintended consequence of sexual harassment awareness is that women suffer from men’s uncertainty on how to behave.

“While it is mostly the men who feel restricted in what they say, unfortunately the career implications affect the women because the men have the power and women have a hard time befriending men.

“Just as the glass ceiling prevents women from reaching the top of organisations, the glass partition prevents women from making the friendships that could help their careers.” She said rules intended to discourage romantic relationships were also making it harder to form work friendships.

Sexual harassment cases can trigger changes in the rest of the workforce. Phillip Randall, 32, is a middle manager at a small financial services company. He had been working there for six years when he was accused of sexual harassment by a female colleague. He insisted on using a pseudonym because the case is still being investigated.

He said that the office atmosphere had soured. “It’s affected the liveliness of the whole workplace. It used to be such an enjoyable environment.
“The other staff don’t go out for drinks as a group. There is an atmosphere of ‘who can I talk to?’ They send fewer e-mails around the office because they are scared someone will take offence.

“It makes things difficult because as a manager you’ve got to relate to your staff.”
The academic researchers found evidence of one of the most significant shift in attitudes since the influx of women into the workforce in the 1960s.
They found that 75% of male workers constantly considered the risks of being accused of sexual harassment when talking to female colleagues. Humour was considered one of the most risky areas.

Conversely, only 5% of women said they had to watch what they said around men but 66% noticed that men seemed inhibited. The researchers conducted in-depth interviews with 41 professionals.

Jane Mann, head of employment at Fox Williams, a City law firm, said sexual harassment legislation in the UK was creating similar patterns.

“People are much more wary of banter in the workplace and much more concerned about whether they are saying or doing the right thing.

“Often we have managers who say: ‘I will not interview a young woman on my own or travel on my own with someone’.”
Long working hours and the rise in the proportion of women in the workforce exacerbate the problem. Many companies have attempted to avoid conflicts by adopting “love contracts”, spelling out the rules for romantic engagement. Some forbid relationships between managers and their staff.

Sadie Whitelocks, 19, who was employed with Esprit, a London catering firm, has experienced the pitfalls of office romances. “Earlier this year I was involved with someone I worked with and would never do it again.

When you break up it is so awkward, because you (still) have to see them every day. It’s awful.

“I am not surprised some companies stop their employees getting into relationships. It can stop their staff being productive and give people opportunities to say they’ve been sexually harassed when it goes wrong.”

Ani Blakeway, 53, a PA who lives in Lewisham, southeast London, said: “I would never get involved with someone in my office, it’s looking for trouble. These days, women can find a boyfriend in other places than work — they are more independent, they travel around the world, go out clubbing, there’s more opportunity.”

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

10-10-2006 12:43 AM

Re: AHAHAH: Nervous men kill off the office romance
Happy_Bullet
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This one again from:

http://eternalbachelor.blogspot.com

HAHAHAHAHA

I don’t know where to start with this one, I really don’t.

Nervous men kill off the office romance

The academics have identified the emergence of a “glass partition” between the sexes that, they say, is also damaging the career prospects of women.

So then the cause of this is.. patriarchy of course!! Or not. The obvious cause is the predictable effect of greedy, attention whoring women playing games with yes and no, then making spurious sexual harassment claims.

Note that as usual, the situation not working out is the fault of men because we weren’t willing put ourselves in a bad situation, and of course we’d do anything for the magical pusssy. They are after all, magical, and thus completely, absurdly, logic defyingly irresistable no matter how utterly crap or how many negatives they come with. That’s just how lucky men are to have anything to do with a magic pusssy.

“Just as the glass ceiling prevents women from reaching the top of organisations, the glass partition prevents women from making the friendships that could help their careers.”

“Umm we want to be able to get free money by sexual harassment claims and complain about how hot we are, but we also want to be able to whore our way ahead in our careers and have the men MAKE those advances that lead to our lawsuit. Otherwise you should be ASSHHHAAMMMED.”

[ Note: Nervous = latest permutation of ‘not a real man’ shame labels. ]

These days, women can find a boyfriend in other places than work — they are more independent, they travel around the world, go out clubbing, there’s more opportunity.”

I wasn’t aware women went to work to meet men. Oh wait, yeah I was. Let’s have a look at these other options shall we:

more independent – Established time and again as meaning, “she’s an arsehole” and UNattractive rather than attractive. Also meaningless in and of itself in options as to how to meet men.

travel the world – Huh? Go on a sex tour of Thailand or Tijuana? Okay, but they don’t do it because it’s not flattering. Meet someone on a trip? Hint hint: If you travel overseas to meet them they more than likely live in a different location to you.

go out clubbing – They can do this whether they work or not. There have been parallels of this for years. Basically means “leave the house you dumb biitch”.

Anyway all that basically means is that “just another chance for romance is gone from women’s lives – as a result of feminism (oh sorry I mean men being so callous as to not believe in magic pusssies.)

Oh and time spent at work is time spent away from nightclubs! I’d know seeing as I deliberately work less days so I can male-**bleep** around nightclubs and pick up unemployed and tourist women who I have no intention of maintaining any sort of ongoing relationship with. Would it surprise you that I do far better on weekdays than weekends? Can’t imagine why. Highly recommended!

Anyway, let’s have a look at some predictable effects of widely open for interpretation rape laws, or child support laws before we go blaming the men for not really giving a sh*t about women, well.. anywhere in the western world.

Message Edited by Happy_Bullet on 10-10-200601:22 AM

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

10-10-2006 01:05 AM

Re: AHAHAH: Nervous men kill off the office romance
Halladay
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Halladay

so…

men have to be monks 1/3 of their lives in order just to be able to keep their jobs and eat bread they bring home.  if men had to live this way all their lives, they would consider it tyranny.

or maybe.. it already is

10-10-2006 01:32 AM

Re: AHAHAH: Nervous men kill off the office romance
Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the same pattern of behaviour western women display in relation to their husbands repeated in relation to employers?

The main difference would be that employers are FORCED BY LAW to employ women, while men thankfully (yet) are not forced to marry them, palimony withstanding.

This basically constitutes nagging of the government to make people employ them. Same as nagging a guy to marry them. We all know, though, that when the ring goes on that finger, the nagging does not stop. It gets WORSE.

And that’s also what happens in the workplace. Instead of a domestic violence allegation, it’s a sexual harassment allegation. etc. etc.

Plenty of parallels. If there wasn’t equal opportunity legislation I doubt many women would get employed at all. Just like less and less women are getting married.

What surprises me, is that when they deliberately FORCE people to take them in these various situations they seem to have no knowledge of how low their value must be, and in fact seem to get some sort of ego boost from it. When noone will take them, DESPITE ALL THIS, it is naturally someone else’s fault. Psychotic if you ask me.

Message Edited by Happy_Bullet on 10-10-200601:49 AM

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

10-10-2006 01:47 AM

Re: AHAHAH: Nervous men kill off the office romance
Cassius
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Cassius
Wimmin did always harm themself when allowed to think. Take a cheating husband or a hubby who forgot to take out the thrash. Its deevorce, removing the father from the family harming the kids and in the end harming herself too because now she is manless and still has to do the chores.
And thats why women shouldnt think out loud without the supervision of a male adult.

10-10-2006 04:49 AM

Re: AHAHAH: Nervous men kill off the office romance
Diogetrix
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Diogetrix

The analogy between fems demanding marriage of a man, and demanding jobs from Sugar Daddy Sam – with all the comparisons is very good.

10-10-2006 05:10 AM

Re: AHAHAH: Nervous men kill off the office romance
Cassius
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Cassius
Every reaction brings along a counter reaction, fems seem to be in denial about it. Go producing harm, people will take steps to protect themself of harm. Remove hubby from the mansion to live in a tiny hole, the daughter will be shun by mansion owners and all she will get is some poor sap who can only afford said hole. Sport**bleep** the sporty guys while young, giving dirty looks to nerds, once you will get older deciding you need the money one of those nerds makes by now you will end up f*cked and chucked and thats only if they do not go to prostitutes straight away. Same for this articel. You go around suing then guys at work will avoid fems and it is the oh so evil old boys or in this case young studs network again.

10-10-2006 05:53 AM

Re: AHAHAH: Nervous men kill off the office romance
MartianBachelor
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MartianBachelor
“The academics have identified the emergence of a “glass partition” between the sexes that, they say, is also damaging the career prospects of women.”

I liked that sentence too… women’s career prospects are obviously more important than a man having his career, reputation, wealth possibly destroyed by some harridan. Sheesh.

““The unintended consequence of sexual harassment awareness is that women suffer from men’s uncertainty on how to behave.”

Besides the already covered part about women suffering, blah blah blah, I’d say this was an intended consequence of these feminist laws. The fuglies were tired of seeing the better looking women get ahead, so they had to pass laws against those enablers of female career success, namely men. If I recall correctly, these aspects of female competition/envy were covered in Daphne Patai’s book “Heterophobia”.

If this continues, feminists will have soon constructed an entire glass box for women, which will of course be made in China.

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“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

10-10-2006 12:15 PM

Re: AHAHAH: Nervous men kill off the office romance
ZammoTheWeird
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ZammoTheWeird

A wise man once said that most, not all, women are incapable of seperating logic from emotions. That’s an excellent observation and has a direct bearing on the “glass partition” phenomenon.

When women entered the professional workplace they discovered that the men were being men, for better and worse. We made crass jokes, we laughed over stories of beer drinking, women drivers, and hippies. We also got much done because marketplace capitalism is a merciless taskmaster that does not suffer fools and poor production.

But the women were uncomfortable. They felt unease and anxiety in the traditionally male atmosphere of business. Rather than focusing on the bottom line and profitability – the only determining characteristic of business success – our new female colleagues got their panties in a wad over their feelings.

Were there valid cases of egregious sexual harrassment? Absolutely. To deny that would be myopic. Were there sufficient numbers of sexual harrassment issues to warrant a complete qualitative shift in the relationship between genders in the workplace? Now we get to the crux of the matter.

Given the fact that most, not all, women have a very difficult time seperating emotions from logic, it’s far more likely that a few, high profile cases of sexual harrassment got the women up in arms and off they ran to the lawyers and the courts. Feminists found a new cause and they started yet another legal crusade to smash the patriarchy and teach the world that men, once again, have proven to be pigs and lechers and that women were completely virtuous victims.

But none of these crusading women ever once used logic to consider the ultimate and long-term consequences of their actions. They might win every battle in court but the war they lost and they lost badly. We men learned that women are not to be trusted in the workplace. We learned that women should be ignored as much as possible outside the context of work, and only work, subjects. We found it better to shun them because their emotional sensibilities lead them to be offended by pretty much anything.

So, the men cluster together in defensive groups. We talk about all sorts of things, including work. But because we simply don’t trust our female colleagues, they are intentionally left out. This isn’t because of some patriarchal conspiracy. It’s a self-defense tactic.

Women may be physically in the workplace but they are shut out of the workplace culture, especially in workplaces where men are mostly responsible for the fundamental productivity of the business – think engineering and manufacturing.

Here is sound a prudent advice to men in a corporate setting: never speak to or acknowledge a woman colleague unless it is 100% work-related. Never make eye contact, never give greetings. Never discuss personal issues with a woman colleague or when a woman colleague is in hearing distance. Never pay her a compliment. Never tell jokes to her or if she is in within hearing distance.
This is serious advice because women in the workplace want to sue you and will find any excuse to do so. Your company will not back you up or support your defense because Human Resources is typically staffed by women who won’t fall back on logic, but rather on their emotions.

10-10-2006 01:40 PM

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