Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy


Reader Response to “Don’t Marry Career Women” – Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy

Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
khankrumthebulg
Regular Contributor
khankrumthebulg
So, says Janet Albrechtsen, girls and boys are different after all. D’oh

September 27, 2006
ONLY a girl could write The Female Brain and walk away with life and reputation intact. This new book may be contentious, but in fact modern science is merely playing catch-up with what we know intuitively. Girls are different from boys.

Mind-blowing news, huh?

But here’s the really brave bit: the unisex brain is a feminist fabrication. Louann Brizendine, an American neuro-psychiatrist, has written a book debunking stubborn notions that girls are different only because society makes them so. It’s much more to do with the brain, she says. The female brain, to be more precise.

Here’s a snap brain quiz. Which sex uses, on average, about 20,000 words a day, in contrast to the 7000 uttered by the other sex? Who has two-and-a-half times the amount of brain space devoted to sexual drive, meaning they think about sex, on average, every 52 seconds? When their feelings are hurt by someone they love, which sex reacts by assuming the relationship is over? Who has larger sections of the brain for action and aggression? If you answered, in order, women, men, women, men, you’ve been watching too many Woody Allen movies. Now, science is confirming that Woody was right all along.

While more than 99 per cent of male and female genetic coding is the same, it’s the less than 1 per cent of difference that packs a punch in marking out women from men. Drawing upon advances in gene technology and brain-imaging techniques that have revolutionised neuro-scientific research, Brizendine presents a heady cocktail of structural, chemical, genetic, hormonal and functional differences between women and men.

These biological differences explain the most basic female behaviour. For instance, why do teenage girls endlessly talk? Science suggests that connecting through conversation triggers the pleasure centres in the brain. Talking activates what Brizendine describes as the “fluffy, purring kitty … feel-good brain chemicals” – oxytocin and dopamine – which together deliver “the biggest, fastest neurological reward you can get outside of an orgasm”. Maybe that explains why women like to talk during sex, perhaps looking for a double dose of delight.

OK, that last bit is not in Brizendine’s book, but there is plenty that will upset the old bra-burning feminists who steadfastly refuse to allow biology to get in the way of ideology. Let’s start with how girls choose a mate. According to Brizendine, “our (female) brains size up a potential partner, and if he fits our ancestral wish list, we get a jolt of chemicals that dizzy us with a rush of laser-focused attention”.

And that ancestral wish list has not changed much in the past 1000 years. Brizendine points to a study of 10,000 people across 37 different cultures, that reveals women are less interested in how a man looks and more interested in his wallet and social standing. It may not fit the picture of the modern girl fending for herself but Brizendine is concerned with evidence, and not imagery. And the evidence suggests that, for all the economic and social advances women have made, the powerful desire to have and care for children means many women are still interested in finding a provider. It’s part of what Brizendine calls the “inherited architecture of the female brain’s mate-choice system”.

Equality feminists will be even more disturbed by science that confirms what most of us already know: women are more emotional than men. Cutting to the chase, that means girls are more prone to over-reaction than boys. Were we to map the female brain, Brizendine says the connecting routes for emotion look more like super-highways, compared with the country roads you’d find inside the male brain. In a Stanford University study, when volunteers were shown emotional images while having their brains scanned, nine different areas lit up in women. In men, two areas lit up.

The author concludes that “there’s no getting around the fact that women have different emotional perceptions, realities, responses and memories than do men, and these differences – based on brain circuitry and function – are at the heart of many misunderstandings”. And it’s in the hard-wiring of the brain, rather than environment.

Last year, Lawrence Summers, president of Harvard University, told an academic conference that his young daughter, when given two trucks in another effort of gender-neutral parenting, treated them like dolls, calling one “daddy truck” and the other “baby truck”. Some in the audience reacted with disgust to Summers’s address. A biologist from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology walked out, later saying leaving was the only option, otherwise “I would’ve either blacked out or thrown up”. Another quick test: was the tetchy academic a woman or a man?

In a interview later, the biologist, Nancy Hopkins, said: “It’s so upsetting that all these brilliant young women (at Harvard) are being led by a man who views them this way.” Summers’s leadership did not last long. The uproar came when he hypothesised that genetics, more than environment, might explain the dearth of women in science and engineering. Suggesting that genes may explain why statistical distributions of men’s and women’s quantitative and spatial abilities are not identical, with more men coming in at the higher end of the scale, did not go down well in academe. Lawrence was eventually hounded out of Harvard.

Not everyone was hoodwinked by ideology. Steven Pinker, a professor of psychology who teaches classes on the human mind, told The Harvard Crimson: “Good grief, shouldn’t everything be within the pale of legitimate academic discourse, as long as it is presented with some degree of rigour? That’s the difference between a university and a madrassa … People who storm out of a meeting at the mention of a hypothesis, or declare it taboo or offensive without providing arguments or evidence, don’t get the concept of a university or free inquiry.”

Talking about genetic differences between men and women has long been taboo because, according to feminist orthodoxy, if women were different it necessarily meant they were inferior. But that competition-between-the-sexes business is so old hat these days.

Ignoring the differences, and framing public policy on a pretence that women are something they are not only ends up hurting women. For instance, in the heady days of 1970s feminism, it was assumed that universal child care would free women to achieve true equality with men. We now know that many women would prefer not to outsource the raising of their children. And so we need public policy and workplace changes that recognise that biological drive.

One reviewer suggests the book is “destined to become a classic in the field of gender studies”. If Harvard is anything to go by, that will have to happen outside the blinkered world of academe.

09-27-2006 07:53 AM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
tellafriend
Regular Contributor
tellafriend

Simply saying what most men have already known but seldom dared to say in public. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that women are stupid.

It’s just that feminists have outlawed thinking.

09-27-2006 12:28 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Back2TheKitchen
Regular Contributor
Back2TheKitchen
Let’s not forget that Louann Brizendine is a Feminist!

http://tinyurl.com/grrzn

“With women or the female mindset imparted through feminization on the vast majority of society, it will be very easy to control the Empire…I mean…the republic.” – mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com

09-27-2006 12:40 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
OneSmartChick
Regular Contributor
OneSmartChick

Okay Khan – we see all that – most have read that before.

And as I have said – where in that 1% of our brains that differ does it justify women not having equal opportunities???    Does that fact that men have a larger portion of the brain devoted to sex drive make them more entitled to opportunties?  No it does not.

What are you saying?

09-27-2006 12:48 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
ZammoTheWeird
Contributor
ZammoTheWeird

And as I have said – where in that 1% of our brains that differ does it justify women not having equal opportunities???    Does that fact that men have a larger portion of the brain devoted to sex drive make them more entitled to opportunties?  No it does not.

As we have seen countless times on this board, women are pretty much incapable of logical, linear thought. Perhaps the sex drive portion in the man’s brain also allows them to use logic and avoid extraneous emotions when faced with a challenge.

Image building a major shoe store if emotion rules the brain. “Gee, I didn’t feel right about using those extra supports in the roof so it’s not my fault that the roof caved in.”

09-27-2006 01:15 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
tellafriend
Regular Contributor
tellafriend

OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:
Okay Khan – we see all that – most have read that before.

And as I have said – where in that 1% of our brains that differ does it justify women not having equal opportunities???    Does that fact that men have a larger portion of the brain devoted to sex drive make them more entitled to opportunties?  No it does not.

What are you saying?

Hey Stupid, if you’re incapable of performing as competently as a man, where does it say you’re “entitled” to a man’s opportunity?

When we have to enact legislation just so idiots like you can have a career, something is definitely wrong.

Having an Idiot quota doesn’t mean you’re equal to men. It just means pussified men are trying to emasculate the rest of us.

09-27-2006 01:16 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
OneSmartChick
Regular Contributor
OneSmartChick

And as I have said – where in that 1% of our brains that differ does it justify women not having equal opportunities???    Does that fact that men have a larger portion of the brain devoted to sex drive make them more entitled to opportunties?  No it does not.

As we have seen countless times on this board, women are pretty much incapable of logical, linear thought.  As we have seen countless times on this board, most of the men on this board are basing their analysis on their threatened egos – their analysis is based on their FEELING that men, based solely on their gender, should be entitled to chart their path in this world and women, based solely on their gender, should be limited in oportunities and rights.   Perhaps the sex drive portion in the man’s brain also allows them to use logic and avoid extraneous emotions when faced with a challenge.   LOL

Image building a major shoe store if emotion rules the brain. “Gee, I didn’t feel right about using those extra supports in the roof so it’s not my fault that the roof caved in.”  As an female engineer your example is so absurd – it is laughable……And as someone who has seen engineers that are male, have to answer for seriously flawed design,  you argument holds no water.  Any PERSON that has an engineering license to build, follows the code.   You are very sexist but I guess that I have come to expect these types of replys.

09-27-2006 01:51 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
khankrumthebulg
Regular Contributor
khankrumthebulg
Theories abound as to why the Male brain is more hard wired for Sex. It is perhaps to pay attention to his Mate (Wife) so that he will not be raising the child of another Male. Cuckhold is a bad position to be in. And with the development of DNA testing alot of interesting forks in Family Trees are being revealed. As well as very different behavior than was anticipated by our Women.

Neuroscientists reveal that the Male brain has nearly 10 times as much Grey matter as the Female Brain which has a similar difference in White Matter. The two hemispheres of the Female brain are much better connected. And Males have fewer pain receptors vs. Females. And adaptation and specialization useful in both Combat and dealing with Mega Fauna.

The Lie promoted by the Cat Herders is that Gender is a Social Construct and with sufficent Nurture and change in culture, Gender can be eliminated. This is rubbish as any Parent will observe. Infants Males are more interested in object oriented Mobils in their cribs, while Female Babies prefer faces.

I do not dispise Women as I have been Married Twice. And I have two daughters whose happiness is very important to me. The oldest is a mother of three boys herself. And is very happy with her Husband. My Family is multi Religions, Ethnicities, and Nationalities. Yet we all for the most part love and appreciate one another. Except my Two Feminist Sisters who are nuts.

Neuroscientists report That Feminists are trying to surpress their research as it disputes their beliefs. I am quite frankly stunned at the length of time it has taken to refute this nonsense. Andrew Sullivan Gay Writer and Commentator has written on his blog about Testosterone. It is an important insight and I highly recommend that Women read it.

Much of what is being discovered by Science is known in human oral traditions. That method for transmition has been interrupted and in some cases destroyed by Feminism. I do not believe either gender is better than the other. Our roles are complementary and vital to human happiness. Women and children are sufferring tremendously under Feminism and its lies.

09-27-2006 02:14 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
tellafriend
Regular Contributor
tellafriend

OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:
And as I have said – where in that 1% of our brains that differ does it justify women not having equal opportunities???    Does that fact that men have a larger portion of the brain devoted to sex drive make them more entitled to opportunties?  No it does not.

As we have seen countless times on this board, women are pretty much incapable of logical, linear thought.  As we have seen countless times on this board, most of the men on this board are basing their analysis on their threatened egos – their analysis is based on their FEELING

Here we have a PERFECT example of a dumb biitch who just doesn’t get it.

Dumb biitches like her have such intense peniis envy, that they ridiculously try to assume male characteristics like common sense reasoning and rational thought. And they PROJECT all of the insecurities and weaknesses upon men. Whenever you point out that women are more emotional, a dumb biitch like her will simply give the kneejerk response, “NO YOU’RE EMOTIONAL!!! NOT ME!!!! I’M FINE!!!! I’M NOT EMOTIONAL!!!! I AM NOT HAVING AN EMOTIONAL MELTDOWN!!! IT IS MEN WHO ARE EMOTIONAL!!! WAHHHHH!!!!!!!” This dumb biitch is the epitome of pathetic, a projecting insecure little child who will not be made to FEEL wrong. It’s all about her self-esteem issues. If she feels wrong, her whole world will crumble and she’ll go into a self-esteem tantrum. Seen it many times before.

that men, based solely on their gender, should be entitled to chart their path in this world and women, based solely on their gender, should be limited in oportunities and rights.

Here this dumb biitch AGAIN tries to rationalize HER insecurities by PROJECTING them onto the men. The men have logically and consistently pointed out the hypocrisy of feminism exhibited by the women on here regarding entitlement attitudes and gender elitism. Her only response is to accuse men of doing the same. This is the classic feminist version of “I know you are, but what I am.” You’d think, as a rational man, that nobody could possibly be this stupid, that nobody could possibly be this oblivious to her own behavior even after it has been isolated and exposed time and time again.

But we’re dealing with an idiot woman here. She’s handicapped mentally from the start. It’s no wonder she can’t figure any of this out.

You’ll notice that this dumb biitch NEVER acknowledges her hypocrisy in telling others to ignore me, yet she herself cannot ignore me. It’s the classic child screaming on the floor, throwing a tantrum and blaming everyone else for HER mistakes.

Perhaps the sex drive portion in the man’s brain also allows them to use logic and avoid extraneous emotions when faced with a challenge.   LOL

Translation: The vividly stupid woman is amused by common sense.

Image building a major shoe store if emotion rules the brain. “Gee, I didn’t feel right about using those extra supports in the roof so it’s not my fault that the roof caved in.”

As an female engineer your example is so absurd – it is laughable……And as someone who has seen engineers that are male, have to answer for seriously flawed design,  you argument holds no water.  Any PERSON that has an engineering license to build, follows the code.   You are very sexist but I guess that I have come to expect these types of replys.

Hey dumb biitch, how about you engineer yourself a brain cell.

Now go fetch your stick you dumb biitch.

09-27-2006 02:34 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
OneSmartChick
Regular Contributor
OneSmartChick

Theories abound as to why the Male brain is more hard wired for Sex. It is perhaps to pay attention to his Mate (Wife) so that he will not be raising the child of another Male. Cuckhold is a bad position to be in. And with the development of DNA testing alot of interesting forks in Family Trees are being revealed. As well as very different behavior than was anticipated by our Women.

Neuroscientists reveal that the Male brain has nearly 10 times as much Grey matter as the Female Brain which has a similar difference in White Matter. The two hemispheres of the Female brain are much better connected. And Males have fewer pain receptors vs. Females. And adaptation and specialization useful in both Combat and dealing with Mega Fauna.

The Lie promoted by the Cat Herders is that Gender is a Social Construct and with sufficent Nurture and change in culture, Gender can be eliminated. This is rubbish as any Parent will observe. Infants Males are more interested in object oriented Mobils in their cribs, while Female Babies prefer faces.

I do not dispise Women as I have been Married Twice. And I have two daughters whose happiness is very important to me. The oldest is a mother of three boys herself. And is very happy with her Husband. My Family is multi Religions, Ethnicities, and Nationalities. Yet we all for the most part love and appreciate one another. Except my Two Feminist Sisters who are nuts.

Neuroscientists report That Feminists are trying to surpress their research as it disputes their beliefs. I am quite frankly stunned at the length of time it has taken to refute this nonsense. Andrew Sullivan Gay Writer and Commentator has written on his blog about Testosterone. It is an important insight and I highly recommend that Women read it.

Much of what is being discovered by Science is known in human oral traditions. That method for transmition has been interrupted and in some cases destroyed by Feminism. I do not believe either gender is better than the other. Our roles are complementary and vital to human happiness. Women and children are sufferring tremendously under Feminism and its lies.

Khan – I have posed this question before to you and I cannot seem to get an answer – You seem to be logical and not emotional.  Okay – here goes again- Feminism is about equal opportunities.  So – you bring up the structural differences in the human brain.  What does that have to do with limiting women’s rights?    You stated that “I do not believe any gender is better than the other”.  Men and men are born with inclinations that have nothing to do with their gender.  Plenty of women make very good engineers and architects.   Men make very good counselors.  One would believe that they are following their inclinations and desires in choosing their career.  And you fail to address the societal influence to the degree that it matters – for example, many young women show a natural inclination toward math when they are in elementary school; when they get into their teens they shy away.  This has been documented in research.   The reasons the researchers found was societal – they were being told that math is for boys, boys don’t like a girl who is good at math, you cannot be better than your boyfriend at something ’cause he won’t like you then.  Now – we can say that the young women should know better and there are parents that successfully challenge this sexist, out-dated stereotype, but as you pointed out – women want to be liked and girls (get along) at this age are very influenced by this.  As we get older, we realize that if a man doesn’t like us if we are get better grades in math, like math or even excel at it – then it’s his issue, not ours.

09-27-2006 04:07 PM

==============================================================================
Click on the board or message subject at the top to return.

Reader Response to “Don’t Marry Career Women” – Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Mamonaku
Regular Contributor
Mamonaku
Khank, let me take a stab at this one.

OSC said,

“Khan – I have posed this question before to you and I cannot seem to get an answer – You seem to be logical and not emotional. Okay – here goes again- Feminism is about equal opportunities.”

Wrong. Feminism is about female superiority over Men. You know it, I know it. Tons of information has been posted to this effect… don’t make me dig it out on yo’ ass!

“So – you bring up the structural differences in the human brain. What does that have to do with limiting women’s rights?”

Women don’t have equal rights with men, they have special rights. In the legal world, this situation would be termed Equitable Rights vs Equal Rights.

Lets go down the list here…

Women can aborn children. Men cannot abort their financial obligations.

Women can take weeks off for maternity leave. Men, for a variety of social and legal factors, cannot take time off like men can.

Women can choose to have a career, Men cannot choose as easily to be a stay at home dad… the vast majority of women will not have him.

Women are not punished for their crimes to the degree that men are.

Women can unilaterally end a marriage and recieved many benefits and support that men don’t have. Even if the woman is morally wrong, she still benefits as the laws stand in this country.

Women have the faith and credit of the United States Government on their behalf vis a vis the Violence Against Women Act.

Billions have been spent to aid female “victims of Domestic Abuse/Violence” where only a mere pittance has been spent on men.

Need I go on? And if you like, I can back up all of those statements with facts, as you are well aware.

“You stated that “I do not believe any gender is better than the other”. Men and men are born with inclinations that have nothing to do with their gender.”

Wrong again… Khanks original post deals with a book review that lists scientific proof of SEX DIFFERENCES IN THE BRAIN.

I personally believe than Men and women have varying degrees of Manliness and Femininity… and that each person is a mix of these two energies, but that’s my personal opinion.

The fact of the matter is that Men and women are different, and have different roles. If you don’t believe that, I have a bridge somewhere that I want to sell ya!

Hopefully that answers your questions my lady.

mamonaku187.blogspot.com

Message Edited by Mamonaku on 09-27-200604:34 PM

09-27-2006 04:33 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
OneSmartChick
Regular Contributor
OneSmartChick

OSC said,

“Khan – I have posed this question before to you and I cannot seem to get an answer – You seem to be logical and not emotional. Okay – here goes again- Feminism is about equal opportunities.”

Wrong. Feminism is about female superiority over Men. You know it, I know it. Tons of information has been posted to this effect… don’t make me dig it out on yo’ ass!

“So – you bring up the structural differences in the human brain. What does that have to do with limiting women’s rights?”

Women don’t have equal rights with men, they have special rights. In the legal world, this situation would be termed Equitable Rights vs Equal Rights.

Lets go down the list here…

Women can aborn children. Men cannot abort their financial obligations.  Well, as of now science cannot have the man carry the fetus – but as soon as it can – I think that there would be a lot of women that would say to a man – have at it.  Don’t have sex without a condom dude – your chances of having an unwanted child drop to 1% of the condom is used correctly.

Women can take weeks off for maternity leave. Men, for a variety of social and legal factors, cannot take time off like men can.  Many companies have paternity leave; it should be more.  I am willing to raise my voice for this – are you???Because a man does not take and succumbs to society is not my issue.  It is there for him in many cases.   Part of the reason that women get longer for maternity leave than paternity leave is the woman has the baby.  Child birth is tough on a woman’s body.

Women can choose to have a career, Men cannot choose as easily to be a stay at home dad… the vast majority of women will not have him.  Men can choose to stay home.   There is no law stopping him.  There is NO special right given to women to stay home over a man.  That is your sexist society for you so another one of your points is down in flames.

Women are not punished for their crimes to the degree that men are.  WHAT??!!!!! This is laughable.  The MAJORITY of the violent crimes in this country are commited by man.  Do you think murder should carry a heavier punishment than check forging – I do and apparently so do the majority of folks in the United States.

Women can unilaterally end a marriage and recieved many benefits and support that men don’t have. Even if the woman is morally wrong, she still benefits as the laws stand in this country.  What are those many benefits???  Child support is not a benefit to the woman (or the custodial parent) It is being a RESPONSIBLE parent and taking care of the children your create.  A woman’s standard of living drops 40 -70% after the divorce in the majority of the cases – I have a web site with studies to back this up if you would like.  Alimony is paid if the woman stayed home and now usually only for 3-5 years.  I would like to see you go out and get a well-paying job (other than being a prositute) after changing diapers and wiping noses for years, whether or not she has a college degree.    And get a prenump – contrary to what is said on this board – they hold up if they are not signed under duress and financial disclosure is made.

Women have the faith and credit of the United States Government on their behalf vis a vis the Violence Against Women Act.  This law was enacted because women were getting the crap beatened out of them in all facets of life – domestic, workplace, etc…I personally do not believe that women should have their own law – I think if a man punches his wife – he should go to jail under our current assault and battery laws.  There should be no distinction made “is the woman is raped by her husband” – who cares if they are married.  He has not right to force her to have sex – rape is rape.

Billions have been spent to aid female “victims of Domestic Abuse/Violence” where only a mere pittance has been spent on men.  The majority of victims of violence in the home are women and underage children – find me a stat that says otherwise.  This is not to say that women to not commit domestic violence toware a man

Need I go on? And if you like, I can back up all of those statements with facts, as you are well aware.   Please do

“You stated that “I do not believe any gender is better than the other”. Men and men are born with inclinations that have nothing to do with their gender.”

Wrong again… Khanks original post deals with a book review that lists scientific proof of SEX DIFFERENCES IN THE BRAIN.   So my natural gift of the ability to do math, calculus, differiental equations is because my brain is male?????

I personally believe than Men and women have varying degrees of Manliness and Femininity… and that each person is a mix of these two energies, but that’s my personal opinion.

The fact of the matter is that Men and women are different, and have different roles. If you don’t believe that, I have a bridge somewhere that I want to sell ya!

Hopefully that answers your questions my lady.

09-27-2006 05:18 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
moneyneversleep
Regular Contributor
moneyneversleep

You are so deluded and incredibly stupid.

09-27-2006 05:26 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
tellafriend
Regular Contributor
tellafriend

OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:

Khan – I have posed this question before to you and I cannot seem to get an answer – You seem to be logical and not emotional.  Okay – here goes again- Feminism is about equal opportunities.  So – you bring up the structural differences in the human brain.  What does that have to do with limiting women’s rights?    You stated that “I do not believe any gender is better than the other”.  Men and men are born with inclinations that have nothing to do with their gender.  Plenty of women make very good engineers and architects.

Is this dumb biitch on crack? Men make way better engineers and architects. Good for you, you put some pottery barn ashtrays together. Here’s a cookie.

Men put civilizations together you dumb biitch.

Men make very good counselors.

These 2 statements seem to be in opposition to each other. It requires a BRAIN and WISDOM to be a good counselor, eliminating women right off the bat. Counselor isn’t some emotional self-esteem boost you dumb biitch. When you counsel someone’s life, you are changing that life and changing the life of an entire society. This is evidence that women are the WORST counselors of all time. How can you trust a dumb biitch to counsel a man when said dumb biitch is responsible for the perpetuation of such nonsense as astrology, palmistry, horoscopes, tea leaves– you name it, foolish women will fall for it. You not only need men to be architects and engineers, they ALSO need to be counselors to the next generation. We have seen the devastation caused by leaving this significant duty up to women. Counselling doesn’t mean patting someone on the back, telling them how special they are and boosting their self-esteem into the stratosphere of mock princesshood.

But of course, you’re even too stupid to understand this along with other self-esteem crushing truths.

One would believe that they are following their inclinations and desires in choosing their career.

When butch dyyke lesbians like you follow your “natural inclinations”, it doesn’t always equate to an APPROPRIATE or BENEFICIAL behavior. Some people are “inclined” to kill other people. That doesn’t mean we start handing them knives and diluting their consciences so they can chase after their dreams. And that’s the problem with crazy cat ladies like you. You can’t be reasoned with because your reasoning capacity is problematic to begin with. You don’t realize how abnormal you are. This requires an objective comparative analysis with othre women which an idiot like you is highly incapable of performing because as stated before, you have a vested interest in preserving your self-esteem at all costs.

Instead of realizing YOU are the problem, you blame everyone else for not accomodating your “natural inclinations.”

A child’s “natural inclination” is to lie when it gets into trouble. But for some odd reason, adults think it’s better to subdue or even eradicate that “natural inclination.” That’s because adults have the maturity to realize that the world would destroy itself if it simply performed according to “natural inclinations” rather than APPROPRIATE/BENEFICIAL behavior. This is why training is necessary in many cases to overcome natural inclinations. You need biitch training to overcome your natural inclination to usurp male authority. You’re like a stubborn tantrum-throwing child who thinks her way is much better than those pesky “oppressive” adults… right up until you get hit by a car while standing in the street of your own natural inclinations. Congratulations dumba$$. You’re officially inclined to die. Adults usually try to prevent that from happening. Which means you are your own worst enemy.

And you fail to address the societal influence to the degree that it matters – for example, many young women show a natural inclination toward math when they are in elementary school;

“many”?

Is this dumb biitch still hitting her crack pipe? Hey stujpida$$, women are busy playing house and yapping about inane “sally doesn’t like me anymore” issues because they’re practicing for their sitcom victimhood lives compliments of feminism. More boys are naturally inclined towards logical and rational thinking than any comparative group of girls will ever be. For you to imply otherwise is just another example of your sheer idiocy in the face of reality.

when they get into their teens they shy away.

Maybe because most women don’t have an extra shot of testosterone and a trucker mullet like you. Maybe because most women are FEMININE by nature and want to ACT FEMININE. Just because YOU act/think like an angry dyyke trying to compete with men doesn’t mean that all women want to act like men. They’re simply mislead by idiots like you who have the female genetalia to get into the girl’s bathroom coupled with the male facial hair and build of a guy, minus the brain and the all-important peniis.

Look at the so-called successful women, they are FUGLY. They look more like men than women. This isn’t an accident. Look at women who act feminine, they actually LOOK like females for the most part.

This has been documented in research.

AKA feminazi propaganda studies. Hey dumb biitch, if you’ve ever taken a stastistics course, you should know by now that numbers can be manipulated to say anything. I mean how could I trust a dumb biitch like you to ever run a scientific study. How could I trust today’s pussified male to not shove his emasculated agenda to the forefront of his “findings.” We necessarily trust what we MUST and skeptically eye the rest of this feminazi society.

The reasons the researchers found was societal – they were being told that math is for boys, boys don’t like a girl who is good at math, you cannot be better than your boyfriend at something ’cause he won’t like you then.

Utter bull$hit. This dumb biitch must be living on a planet void of oxygen. I’ve done my own “research” you dumb biitch. You come up way short. I would not trust a dumb biitch like you with any responsibility. You would throw a tantrum and make everyone suffer as a result.

Now – we can say that the young women should know better and there are parents that successfully challenge this sexist, out-dated stereotype, but as you pointed out – women want to be liked and girls (get along) at this age are very influenced by this.  As we get older, we realize that if a man doesn’t like us if we are get better grades in math, like math or even excel at it – then it’s his issue, not ours.

It’s not politically correct to declare the truth– women are IDIOTS. They are not designed to think critically like men. They are designed to FOLLOW in the footsteps of men. A woman thinking out loud eventually shames herself with her own idiocy (you provide a perfect example.) This is why women need men. They need to be lead by men. When women try to lead, we see utter chaos ensue.

Women are too stupid to lead. Which is as clinical a statement as saying men are not qualified to nurse babies. Function dictates everything. A dumb biitch like you defying her own function is like a watch that refuses to tell time, thinking it deserves to be a computer.

But like a broken watch, you’ll be thrown out with all the rest of the USELESS garbage.

Enjoy your Sex in the City reruns.

09-27-2006 05:57 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Mamonaku
Regular Contributor
Mamonaku
Famous last words OSC. Now everyone will get a good taste of how shortsighted you really are.

Let’s go!

‘Women can abort children. Men cannot abort their financial obligations.
“Well, as of now science cannot have the man carry the fetus – but as soon as it can – I think that there would be a lot of women that would say to a man – have at it. Don’t have sex without a condom dude – your chances of having an unwanted child drop to 1% of the condom is used correctly.”

Men having children in the future… irrelevant.
Sex without a condom… also irrelevant.

Women should not have access to abortion. If they have sex, they should have their man wear a condom.

Tell me why abortion should be allowed again?

‘Women can take weeks off for maternity leave. Men, for a variety of social and legal factors, cannot take time off like men can.’
“Many companies have paternity leave; it should be more. I am willing to raise my voice for this – are you???Because a man does not take and succumbs to society is not my issue. It is there for him in many cases. Part of the reason that women get longer for maternity leave than paternity leave is the woman has the baby. Child birth is tough on a woman’s body.”

Ahh so you are saying that because MEN AND WOMEN ARE PHYSICALLY DIFFERENT, they should get special rights in this area?

So you do agree with Khanks inital post then. See? Isn’t this fun?

‘Women can choose to have a career, Men cannot choose as easily to be a stay at home dad… the vast majority of women will not have him.”

“Men can choose to stay home. There is no law stopping him. There is NO special right given to women to stay home over a man. That is your sexist society for you so another one of your points is down in flames.”

Incorrect. There are a great many posts on this board, and many others, that label men losers if they don’t measure up to the woman’s income/ success requirements. In addition, the book Khank refers to in his opening post specifically states that women choose men that are as/more than successful than they are.

Oopsie! Those darn genetic differences again.

‘Women are not punished for their crimes to the degree that men are.’
“WHAT??!!!!! This is laughable. The MAJORITY of the violent crimes in this country are commited by man. Do you think murder should carry a heavier punishment than check forging – I do and apparently so do the majority of folks in the United States.”

Comparing apples to oranges won’t save you dear lady. If you go here:
http://news.mensactivism.org/

Women’s dirty deeds are exposed for all to see. Murder for murder, rape for rape, molestation for molestation, women are not punished as serverely as men, mitigating factors nonwithstanding.

‘Women have the faith and credit of the United States Government on their behalf vis a vis the Violence Against Women Act.’
“This law was enacted because women were getting the crap beatened out of them in all facets of life – domestic, workplace, etc…I personally do not believe that women should have their own law – I think if a man punches his wife – he should go to jail under our current assault and battery laws. There should be no distinction made “is the woman is raped by her husband” – who cares if they are married. He has not right to force her to have sex – rape is rape.”

My dear lady, your ignorance is telling. It will be through women like you that our Bill of Rights will go up in smoke.

Please read the following:

http://www.kittennews.com/mag/2006/maxponti_06_01_abs_personal_safety_study.htm

Australian Government link http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/6609ADCA83BBB30ACA2571C50074B5B7/$File/49060_2005_Reissue.pdf

Australian safety survey kills feminist distortions
Max Ponti

“The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) Personal Safety Survey has finally emerged and along with its appearance, the statistical myths of feminist’s victimhood and women’s class oppression – particularly those relating to claims of epidemic violence against women – have immediately vaporised.
Their silence is deafening…
…Facts – the ABS survey has revealed that –
• Men are more than twice as likely as women to be the victims of violence and are being physically or sexually assaulted or threatened at the rate of up to 2 incidents per second
• Women are not the victims of family (domestic) violence as often as the quoted 1 in 4, nor even 1 in 8, nor even 1 in 10, but actually 1 in 100
• Women are not being raped every 26 seconds, nor even every 90 seconds, as feminists frequently claim, but are in fact experiencing sexual assault – not necessarily rape – including both reported and all unreported incidents, at a rate of less than 1 per 5 minutes. This is a rate 91% less than that which feminists have previously claimed
• The ratio of female to male family (domestic) violence victims in a home is not 99:1, nor 9:1, nor even 5:1, but is actually closer to 2:1… ”

The Australian Government. 2005. There you have it. “DOMESTIC VIOLENCE” IS A MYTH.

Domestic Violence is defined by Feminists as a politically motived behavior by men, that seeks to dominate and control women. As we can see, the women are doing a fair amount of dominating and controlling their **bleep** selves!

Lets roll that beautiful research!!

Sex Differences in Aggression Between Heterosexual Partners: A Meta-Analytic Review
John Archer, PhD
Psychological Bulletin
Vol. 126, No. 5, pages 651-680, 2000

http://www.mediaradar.org/ja_sex_differences.php

“Following is the Abstract of Dr. Archer’s scholarly and widely-reported investigation, which reveals the following:
1. Women were slightly more likely than men to use physical aggression, especially among younger women
2. 62% of all injured persons were female and 38% male

“Meta-analyses of sex differences in physical aggression to heterosexual partners and in its physical consequences are reported. Women were slightly more likely (d = -.05) than men to use one or more act of physical aggression and to use such acts more frequently. Men were more likely (d = .15) to inflict an injury, and overall, 62% of those injured by a partner were women. The findings partially support previous claims that different methods of measurement produce conflicting results, but there was also evidence that the sample was an important moderator of effect size. Continuous models showed that younger aged dating samples and a lower proportion of physically aggressive males predicted effect sizes in the female direction. Analyses were limited by the available database, which is biased toward young dating samples in the United States. Wider variations are discussed in terms of two conflicting norms about physical aggression to partners that operate to different degrees in different cultures.”

Dr. Archer also summarized the findings of research studies that examined the effects of partner aggression on the need for medical treatment. These findings are reported in Table 5 of his article.
Sex Break-Down of Persons Who Required Medical Treatment as a Result of Partner Aggression:
Male: 35%
Female: 65%
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
Archer, J. (2002). Sex differences in physically aggressive acts between heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 7, 213-351. (Analyzing responses to the Conflict Tactic Scale and using a data set somewhat different from the previous 2000 publication, the author reports that women are more likely than men to throw something at their partners, as well as slap, kick, bite, punch and hit with an object. Men were more likely than women to strangle, choke, or beat up their partners.”

So what does this mean? It’s clear that girls and women abuse and hit just as much as men do. And in response, they get their asses kicked.

Let’s keep moving.

“Brown, G. (2004). Gender as a factor in the response of the law-enforcement system to violence against partners. Sexuality and Culture, 8, (3-4), 3-139. (Summarizes partner violence data from the 1999 Canadian General Social Survey . The GSS is based on a representative sample of 25,876 persons. Overall in the 12-month period preceding the survey, an estimated 3% Canadian women and 2% of Canadian men reported experiencing violence from their partners. During the 5 year period from 1995-1999, an estimated 8% of Canadian women and 7% of Canadian men reported violence from their partners. Reviewed police and legal responses to partner violence in Edmonton, Canada and concludes that . . . men who are involved in disputes with their partners, whether as alleged victims or as alleged offenders or both, are disadvantaged and treated less favorably than women by the law-enforcement system at almost every step..

Capaldi, D. M, Kim, H. K., & Shortt, J. W. (2004). Women’s involvement in aggression in young adult romantic relationships. In M. Putallaz and K. L. Bierman (Eds.). Aggression, Antisocial Behavior, and Violence Among Girls (pp. 223-241). New York: Guildford Press. (A review chapter which reports on data obtained from Oregon Youth Study and Couples Study. Authors conclude that “Young women were observed to initiate physical aggression toward their partners more frequently than were the young men.” And “the relative prevalence of frequent physical aggression by women and of injury and fear for men was surprisingly high.”

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5519a3.htm

“Dating violence is defined as physical, sexual, or psychological violence within a dating relationship. In a study of dating violence victimization among students in grades 7–12 during 1994–1995, the 18-month prevalence of victimization from physical and psychological dating violence was estimated at 12% and 20%, respectively (1). In addition to the risk for injury and death, victims of dating violence are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior, unhealthy dieting behaviors, substance use, and suicidal ideation/attempts (2–4). Dating violence victimization can be a precursor for intimate partner violence (IPV) victimization in adulthood, most notably among women (5). Among adult women in the United States, an estimated 5.3 million IPV incidents occur each year, resulting in approximately 2 million injuries and 1,300 deaths (6). By using data from the 2003 Youth Risk Behavior Survey (YRBS), CDC analyzed the prevalence of physical dating violence (PDV) victimization among high school students and its association with five risk behaviors. The results indicated that 8.9% of students (8.9% of males and 8.8% of females) reported PDV victimization during the 12 months preceding the survey and that students reporting PDV victimization were more likely to engage in four of the five risk behaviors (i.e., sexual intercourse, attempted suicide, episodic heavy drinking, and physical fighting). Primary prevention programs are needed to educate high school students about healthy dating relationship behaviors, and secondary prevention programs should address risk behaviors associated with dating violence victimization.”

Clearly, women are just as likely as men to abuse and batter. And, just in case you don’t believe the US and Australian government findings, get a load of this!

Home Violence … Men in Firing Line

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/667994/home_violence__men_in_firing_line/index.html

By KEN MURRAY

“A STUDY of patients attending family doctors has found that 52 per cent of men and 43 per cent of women have experienced domestic violence.

The research, carried out by Trinity College Dublin and published in the European Journal of General Practice, reflects the findings of all other two-sex studies carried out in Ireland.

Mary Cleary who runs the AMEN Centre for abused males in Navan, Co Meath, said: “Despite the attempts of certain individuals and organisations to discredit AMEN, these findings again vindicate the position we have held on this issue for the past 10 years.”

She said: “Dr Susan Smith, one of the study’s authors, quite rightly commented that it was inappropriate to continue to address this issue as solely a woman’s problem’.

“The figures from the Trinity College study totally discredit feminist theory that women are predominantly the victims and men the perpetrators.”

According to Mary, the way domestic violence against men is treated by the State is proof that the Government is out of touch with reality.

She said: “In excess of EUR15m-a-year is provided by the Government for services for female victims – while less than 1 per cent of this amount is provided for male victims.

“The Department of Justice has set up a comprehensive structure, comprising of a national steering committee and eight regional committees on violence against women, as well as providing other supports for female victims.

“But it provides no supports for male victims.”

(c) 2006 Sunday Mirror; London. Provided by ProQuest Information and Learning. All rights Reserved.”

So tell me why women need all this “protection” again? The fact is that a law named “Violence Against Women Act” is on the books is the biggest reason why I became a Mens Rights Activist in the first place.

Pride comes before the fall dear lady. Remember that.

‘Billions have been spent to aid female “victims of Domestic Abuse/Violence” where only a mere pittance has been spent on men.’

“The majority of victims of violence in the home are women and underage children – find me a stat that says otherwise. This is not to say that women to not commit domestic violence toware a man.”

Well my lady, you have obviously been proven all the way wrong. And male victims receive nothing for their pain and suffering.

And with respect to children:

Family Violence in America
The Truth about Domestic Violence and Child Abuse
May 2006

http://www.acfc.org/site/PageServer?pagename=FamilyViolencePressRelease

“…The vast majority of these “families” are in fact single mothers, and even critics of the child wel-fare system are often doctrinaire advocates for the rights of such mothers to raise children without fathers.130 This may be another instance where impre-cise language, driven by political ideology, obfuscates the picture and limits the terms of debate and range of options. If we step back, we wil find that in most cases family dissolution and the progression toward an abusive environ-ment for children have already begun a stage earlier with the separation from their father. This would also account for the corelation between low-income homes and involvement with the child protection system. This is largely Children in sin-
gle-parent… ignored even by previous critics of child protective services…The importance in understanding the causes of child abuse is that it is overwhelmingly a phenomenon of single-parent homes. Figures from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and others confirm that children in single-parent households are at much higher risk for physical violence and sexual molestation than those living in intact two-parent homes.131

Others have suggested that the HHS study may seriously undereport this diference.132 An independent British study more strikingly found that children are up to 33 times more likely to sufer serious abuse and 73 times more likely to suffer fatal abuse in the home of a single mother than in an intact maried family.13…

…Con-trary to the innuendo, if not the explicit claims, of both domestic violence and child abuse activists, it is not fathers but mothers – especialy single mothers – It is not fathers who are the most likely to injure and kil their children. HHS data consistently
… show that women are much more likely than men to be perpetrators of child (abuse)

mothers— who are likely to maltreatment: “almost two-thirds were females,” the 1996 report states, and injure or kill their
children. Subsequent studies contain similar findings.136

Given that “male” perpetrators are not necessarily fathers but more likely to be boyfriends and stepfathers, fathers emerge as the least likely child abusers.137 “Contrary to public percep-tion,” write Patrick **bleep**an and Dorothy Hanks, “research shows that the most
likely physical abuser of a young child wil be that child’s mother, not a male as the least likely child abusers. in the household.”138

Maggie Galagher sums up the reality: “The person most likely to abuse a child physicaly is a single mother. The person most likely to abuse a child sexualy is the mother’s boyfriend or second hus-band.”139

Women accounted for 78% of child murders according to HHS.140… (p. 48)…

HBaskerville, Family Violence in America P.51).”

Just in case you wanted a collaborating source:

OPEN FORUM
Sharing the blame for child abuse
Keith Thompson
Wednesday, August 28, 2002

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/08/28/ED94547.DTL

“…empirical data from numerous studies decisively challenges the notion that child abuse in America is exclusively — or even primarily — a men’s problem. “Women commit the majority of child homicides in the United States, a greater share of physical child abuse, an equal rate of sibling violence and assaults on the elderly, about a quarter of child sexual abuse, an overwhelming share of the killings of newborns, and a fair preponderance of spousal assaults, writes feminist author and crime journalist Patricia Pearson in her book When She Was Bad: Violent Women and the Myth of Innocence…

WOMEN KILL AND ABUSE CHILDREN MORE THAN MEN. DEAL WITH IT.

Checkmate my lady.

Your move.

09-27-2006 06:40 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
MartianBachelor
Regular Contributor
MartianBachelor
OneDumbChick wrote: “where in that 1% of our brains that differ…”

It never said that. Try reading for comprehension.

While more than 99 per cent of male and female genetic coding is the same, it’s the less than 1 per cent of difference that packs a punch in marking out women from men.

Here’s the catch, which maybe the author assumed (wrongly in your case) the audience already knew and didn’t need having it repeated:
maybe 90% of the genetic material is superfluous or “junk” (non-functioning) DNA, so the real difference is more like 10%, not 1%. And, since we have virtually identical cellular structures, livers, digestive tracts, bones, etc., a significant fraction of that 10% which is important is concentrated on making differences in the brain. That’s why the author used the phrase “packs a punch”.

Maybe you should stick with children’s books OneDumbChick, and leave the adult material to us men.

______________________________________________
“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

09-27-2006 06:52 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
khankrumthebulg
Regular Contributor
khankrumthebulg
Fundamentally the differences in our make ups have a profound impact on our lives and how we interact with one another. I am very disappointed at the utter nonsense you continue to spew forth about VAWA and Domestic Abuse. These have become Industries whose bottom lines are directly connected to more clients. Hence Shelters threaten to take away children of Mothers who do not file for Divorce from their Husbands. The VAWA is being challenged in court as discriminatory and has broadened the definitions of Domestic Violence to “Perceived or potential abuse”. Christian Hoff Sommers points out that Gender Equity Movement calls Boys
“Future Rapists and Abusers”.

This is an ongoing campaign to create fear in Women of Men and to futher create distrust between the Genders. I see many Feminists like I do the Nazis who were tried for “Crimes against Humanity”. My relative was the Executive Presiding Judge of the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal. Who was appointed by President Harry S. Truman.

Feminists according to Tammy Bruce perpetuate an Abuse Mindset to justify their Anti-Male (Misandric behavior). They refuse to get therapy or help for their emotional problems but project them on all Men, and now Boys as well.

I will never think like a Woman. I will not emote like a Woman. I will not want to hang out and go shopping like a Woman. And I have certain instincts that are common to my Gender. They are not pathologies or flaws but Gender characteristics. I do not care about your approval. If American Women refuse to see reality let them be denied children and let their insanity not reproduce itself.

Men have been forced to adapt to an unnatural culture. And to adopt Mitigation Strategies to protect their assets and to improve their chances for a happy life. Michael Noer’s article picked up on this. And gave sound advice. Like anything else that benefits Men and potential denies Women high quality Marriage Partners. Women who are already having trouble finding decent Men threw a fit. They refuse to try to understand Men and our problems. Fine dandy. Life is about choices and consequences.

09-27-2006 07:37 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
MartianBachelor
Regular Contributor
MartianBachelor
Khankrumthebulg, send that post to Oprah, saying you think at long last you’ve solved the puzzle of The Great American Man Shortage and that this gift should be given to all the women of America, not a new car. On second thought…

Steven Pinker’s comment in the original article is great. He surely won’t last long at Harvard with thoughts like those.

This whole business about sex differences and feminism has a long and twisted history. The suffragists didn’t have any real problem with them, but that didn’t stop them from arguing for equal legal rights. The first second-wave feminists in the late-60’s outlawed them because they were so frequently used to argue that women couldn’t do certain jobs (OneDumbChick’s argument), especially those that required manly strength, not that they really wanted those jobs. Then the radical rape feminists, in the 1970’s, reconstructed sex differences to show men really were The Source of All Evil. A somewhat more moderate form of this, “difference feminism” had arisen by the early-80’s, typified by Carol Gilligan’s book “In a Different Voice”. This was further developed into “womens’s special ways of knowing”, and so female superiority had a firm foothold by about twenty years ago and the double standard was firmly in place: a man pointing to sex differences was trying to hold woman back, a woman pointing to sex differences was trying to advance them.

By about that time, science (both evolutionary and neurophysiological) had developed a fairly solid basis (both theoretical and experimental) for sex differences, and was starting to stand up and demand to be heard. Of course since science is done predominantly by men, the feminist reaction was predictable. And that’s about where we’re at today, except that feminism is still repeating the same tired old arguments while science keeps advancing (one bright spot on the cultural landscape).

The pop-feminist version of sex differences packaged for TV news fluff pieces was slightly more sympathetic and gee-whiz since the mass audience, which has never really thought much about these things, took sex differences for granted. But the spin was almost always to emphasize positive female qualities (EQ, say) and negative male qualities (I’m sure anyone can name several), as would be appropriate for a predominantly female audience which one didn’t want to alienate. There’s more diversity in the print and online world than there is on TV, so I’ve seen quite a few write-ups on this book. Almost all have derived from (or at least mentioned) the fear that someone might actually read it, a sad commentary on where things stand.

______________________________________________
“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

09-27-2006 09:20 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
khankrumthebulg
Regular Contributor
khankrumthebulg
In my view we have crossed the line of departure. We are engaged in an all out battle and I am sad to say no compromise is longer possible. The collateral damage to children, and our culture necessitates a more brutal and unyielding response. It is time for Men to Fix Bayonets and close with the enemy. I mean this Politically and metaphorically. I am not calling for a Taliban style massacre of Women. What has surprised me about Men is how ethical and reasonable we have been in the face of the unending onslaught against us. We have withdrawn silently and singely in huge numbers. Men are more and more absent from a culture where our chip in the game has been removed. Fine Bitches deal with life with our absence.

It has become a relationship Strike as well as Marriage Strike. Where Men are having difficulty getting aroused by our Women. For the most part the Cat Herders have killed Femininity. And that is what is appealing to most decent Marriage minded Men. And that is also what is appealing to Women who are from Non-feminized Nations. They retain their Feminine charms, virtues, beauty and allure.

09-27-2006 10:13 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
OneSmartChick
Regular Contributor
OneSmartChick

Fundamentally the differences in our make ups have a profound impact on our lives and how we interact with one another. I am very disappointed at the utter nonsense you continue to spew forth about VAWA and Domestic Abuse. Are you an expert in these areas?   Because you don’t agree with me – I “spew” nonsence?  I don’t think so.   In the future, I will quote my studies and authors as welll – but you see – for some men on this board – when they quote studies to back up their point or opinions, they are to be taken as “gospel”.  When I do this, my research is automatically dismissed.   These have become Industries whose bottom lines are directly connected to more clients. Hence Shelters threaten to take away children of Mothers who do not file for Divorce from their Husbands. The VAWA is being challenged in court as discriminatory and has broadened the definitions of Domestic Violence to “Perceived or potential abuse”. Christian Hoff Sommers points out that Gender Equity Movement calls Boys
“Future Rapists and Abusers”.

This is an ongoing campaign to create fear in Women of Men and to futher create distrust between the Genders. I see many Feminists like I do the Nazis who were tried for “Crimes against Humanity”. My relative was the Executive Presiding Judge of the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal. Who was appointed by President Harry S. Truman.

Feminists according to Tammy Bruce perpetuate an Abuse Mindset to justify their Anti-Male (Misandric behavior). They refuse to get therapy or help for their emotional problems but project them on all Men, and now Boys as well.

I will never think like a Woman. I will not emote like a Woman. I will not want to hang out and go shopping like a Woman. And I have certain instincts that are common to my Gender. They are not pathologies or flaws but Gender characteristics. I do not care about your approval. I never indicated that you did – and I sir – don’t require yours either.  If American Women refuse to see reality let them be denied children and let their insanity not reproduce itself.

Men have been forced to adapt to an unnatural culture. An unnatural culture – perhaps to some men it’s uncomfortable because to feel powerful and good about themselves they have to put women down.  Or deny her opportunties. And to adopt Mitigation Strategies to protect their assets and to improve their chances for a happy life. Michael Noer’s article picked up on this. And gave sound advice. Like anything else that benefits Men and potential denies Women high quality Marriage Partners. Women who are already having trouble finding decent Men threw a fit.  I have indicated multiple times – I don’t care about men who are threatened, intimidate or just can’t stand the thought of having a woman with an independent thought or life – of course you can marry the person you want – please do.  I don’t understand why this is not sinking in to the men on this board.  My issue surrounds the anger I see about women wanting freedom to chart their own path – like men do.  And I see lots of angry men here…..what about you?They refuse to try to understand Men and our problems. Fine dandy. Life is about choices and consequences.  Oh- yes, it sure is.

09-27-2006 11:38 PM

==============================================================================
Click on the board or message subject at the top to return.

Reader Response to “Don’t Marry Career Women” – Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
OneSmartChick
Regular Contributor
OneSmartChick

Momonaku –

Men commit more of the violent crimes in the United States – as I stated.  You provided a link from a men’s activisim site.  That’s very interesting – because you see how I am treated when I quote NOW.  Okay….

Anyway – here you go….http://www.deathreference.com/Gi-Ho/Homicide-Epidemiology-of.html

I have plenty more – like you do and if I did not have to work – because – gasp and choke – she has a career and support herself!!! – I would post more – ’til Thursday my dear sir…….time for bed.

09-27-2006 11:48 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
tellafriend
Regular Contributor
tellafriend

OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:

BARK BARK BARK! GRRRRRRRRRR!!!

Go fetch your stick you dumb biitch

09-27-2006 11:57 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Happy_Bullet
Regular Contributor
Happy_Bullet

Momonaku –

Men commit more of the violent crimes in the United States – as I stated.

Which is.. irrelevant to domestic violence.

I hope you are not saying that all violent crimes are domestic violence, because that would mean no crimes other than domestic violence can be considered violent.

Mamonaku’s point on VAWA and gender bias in “domestic abuse” stands.

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-28-2006 03:01 AM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Mamonaku
Regular Contributor
Mamonaku
OSC said,

“Men commit more of the violent crimes in the United States – as I stated. You provided a link from a men’s activisim site. That’s very interesting – because you see how I am treated when I quote NOW. Okay….

Anyway – here you go….http://www.deathreference.com/Gi-Ho/Homicide-Epidemiology-of.html”

Thanks for the link.
Tis true that men commit more murder. However, when women commit the SAME crime, they are held to a lesser account.

For example, if a Man murders his wife, in comparison to a woman murdering her husband, the murdering wife is given a pass because she was:

“Abused”
“Mentally Ill”
“Chemically Dependent”

or some other nonsense.

However, you have yet to debunk the posts of any man on this thread.

Check my lady. I await your stats with baited breath.

09-28-2006 06:44 AM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
MartianBachelor
Regular Contributor
MartianBachelor
Oh no, here we go again: Discrimination Against the Female Brain. Make your voice heard!

______________________________________________
“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

09-28-2006 12:01 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
OneSmartChick
Regular Contributor
OneSmartChick

The statistics regarding women being the abuser more frequently  – they are false.  I encourage those of you who really care to have a discussion on domestic violence and the violence against women to read this US Justice Department report – http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fvs02.pdf

09-28-2006 02:26 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Back2TheKitchen
Regular Contributor
Back2TheKitchen
http://www.mens-rights.net/law/abuse.htm

http://www.mens-rights.net/law/violence.htm

———————

Message Edited by Back2TheKitchen on 09-28-200612:16 PM

“With women or the female mindset imparted through feminization on the vast majority of society, it will be very easy to control the Empire…I mean…the republic.” – mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com

09-28-2006 03:15 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
tellafriend
Regular Contributor
tellafriend

OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:
bark BARK BARK BARK BARK GRRRR!!!!!!

I thought I told you to go fetch your stick, you dumb biitch

09-28-2006 03:16 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Mamonaku
Regular Contributor
Mamonaku
“The statistics regarding women being the abuser more frequently – they are false. I encourage those of you who really care to have a discussion on domestic violence and the violence against women to read this US Justice Department report – http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fvs02.pdf”

Hmm… this report is suspect for a number of reasons.

The biggest reason is that the Department of Health and Human Services, along with the CDC, along with the Austrailian government study, have clearly different findings. It would look like the DOJ report is outgunned by three to one, not including the numerous other studies I referenced in this post.

The volume of reports indicate my position is the right one.
If you could find more collaborating sources methinks…

Please try again.

Then there are the dates of the DOJ figures. The data is from 1998 to 2002. There is always the possibility that the figures may be unevenly weighted… older data may be overstating the numbers.

Whereas my figures are from 2006, 2004, 2000, you get the picture.

I would state that at this time, the sources I have cited are more timely, and more numerous. They state that women abuse just as much as men do.

If you can find reports that have the quanitity and the quality and the timeliness of my reports, I will be open to reviewing them.

AS OF NOW, WOMEN ABUSE JUST AS OFTEN AS MEN DO.

Thank you.

Mamonaku187.blogspot.com

09-28-2006 04:48 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
AngryMuppet
Regular Contributor
AngryMuppet
Well, considering that the Australian government study took place in Australia, I fail to see how that correllates with what takes place here in America. Unless you’re Australian. You are Australian, aren’t you?

I should also point out that while it is true (even in the 2004 study) that women commit slightly more child abuse than men, the same study shows that, for the data available, only 10% of those children lived with both parents, while most lived with their mothers alone. Given that the majority of victims were only living with a single parent–a woman–we would expect that women would outnumber men as abusers.

My guess, however, is that if we restricted the data only to two-parent households, that men would outnumber women as the perpetrators. That’s what the data suggests, though in all fairness I should point out that the report states: “Data are incomplete on the living arrangement of victims. … It is hoped that reporting will improve in the coming years.”

Without this reporting, a real analysis of the data will fall short. BTW, I’m sure it didn’t escape your attention that fully 74% of sexual abuse is perpetrated by men.

Message Edited by AngryMuppet on 09-28-200605:44 PM

09-28-2006 05:35 PM

==============================================================================
Click on the board or message subject at the top to return.
Reader Response to “Don’t Marry Career Women” – Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
tellafriend
Regular Contributor
tellafriend

AngryMuppet wrote:
Well, considering that the Australian government study took place in Australia, I fail to see how that correllates with what takes place here in America. Unless you’re Australian. You are Australian, aren’t you?

I should also point out that while it is true (even in the 2004 study) that women commit slightly more child abuse than men, the same study shows that, for the data available, only 10% of those children lived with both parents, while most lived with their mothers alone. Given that the majority of victims were only living with a single parent–a woman–we would expect that women would outnumber men as abusers.

My guess, however, is that if we restricted the data only to two-parent households, that men would outnumber women as the perpetrators. That’s what the data suggests, though in all fairness I should point out that the report states: “Data are incomplete on the living arrangement of victims. … It is hoped that reporting will improve in the coming years.”

Well it’s a good thing you’re not some pussified little biitch trying to demonize men’s behavior like a good little feminazi.

Oops, too late.

Without this reporting, a real analysis of the data will fall short. BTW, I’m sure it didn’t escape your attention that fully 74% of sexual abuse is perpetrated by men.

What do the figures say on your homosexual penchant for trying to fist guys in the ass?

Because I always trust a guy who posts his homosexual fisting fantasies to accurately characterize real men. You are one ironic douchebag

Message Edited by AngryMuppet on 09-28-200605:44 PM

Message Edited by tellafriend on 09-28-200607:22 PM

09-28-2006 06:00 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
minx12
Regular Contributor
minx12

Geesh! Whatever happened to “debate the post, not the poster”?

Just sayin’

09-28-2006 06:25 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
AngryMuppet
Regular Contributor
AngryMuppet

minx12 wrote:
Geesh! Whatever happened to “debate the post, not the poster”?
Just sayin’

tellafriend’s just doing this for the humor value and to get a rise out of folks. He can dish it out, but can’t take it. I posted a joke thread about me shoving his own fist up his butt, and he can’t let it go. Ignore him like any other troll.

09-28-2006 07:14 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
tellafriend
Regular Contributor
tellafriend

AngryMuppet wrote:

minx12 wrote:
Geesh! Whatever happened to “debate the post, not the poster”?
Just sayin’

Hey dumb biitch, you let me worry about doing the thinking around here. You pay attention to your nails and giggling.

tellafriend’s just doing this for the humor value and to get a rise out of folks. He can dish it out, but can’t take it. I posted a joke thread about me shoving his own fist up his butt, and he can’t let it go. Ignore him like any other troll.

Oh right I forgot you were being serious when you were posting your homosexual fisting fantasies online

Don’t get all bent out of shape, Pumpkin. Hey, if you want to fantasize about my a$$, that’s perfectly okay. I just don’t think this is the forum to do it in.

I’m sorry you feel like a clown trying to make sense now that you posted your homosexual fantasy and you feel like nobody is taking you seriously. hahaha don’t pout, Pumpkin
*patting you on the head*

And we know you can’t ignore me you little biitch, you hang on my every word like a good trained biitch

It’s hard to tell who the wife is in your marriage huh

Now if you want to throw another tantrum about how you’re being unfairly treated, you can go cry on your favorite forum: OPRAH! HAHAHA

09-28-2006 07:46 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
AngryMuppet
Regular Contributor
AngryMuppet
See? It’s like he’s talking to someone else, what with all the stuff about “throwing a tantrum” (?), using terms of endearment (“pumpkin”?) toward me as though I’m his lover and then accusing me of acting homosexual.

I’m actually beginning to think that he’s actually a woman posing as an anti-feminist in order to make their side look mean and idiotic.

09-28-2006 07:51 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Mamonaku
Regular Contributor
Mamonaku
Angry Muppet said,

“Well, considering that the Australian government study took place in Australia, I fail to see how that correllates with what takes place here in America. Unless you’re Australian. You are Australian, aren’t you?

I should also point out that while it is true (even in the 2004 study) that women commit slightly more child abuse than men, the same study shows that, for the data available, only 10% of those children lived with both parents, while most lived with their mothers alone. Given that the majority of victims were only living with a single parent–a woman–we would expect that women would outnumber men as abusers.

My guess, however, is that if we restricted the data only to two-parent households, that men would outnumber women as the perpetrators. That’s what the data suggests, though in all fairness I should point out that the report states: “Data are incomplete on the living arrangement of victims. … It is hoped that reporting will improve in the coming years.”

Without this reporting, a real analysis of the data will fall short. BTW, I’m sure it didn’t escape your attention that fully 74% of sexual abuse is perpetrated by men.”

Hey AM,

Good to talk to ya.

The Australian survey is relevant because America and Australia have many things in common such as language, culture, a strong feminist presence, and also advocates to its citizenry that most Domestic Violence victims are women.

Not to mention the fact that there were was a sufficient sample size of people, making it so that these are trends that apply to most people in most settings.

What’s also significant is that more WOMEN were sampled than men, and that all the interviewers were female. So the survey should have been more woman friendly, but it was not.

In addition to the Australia survey, I also listed TWO U.S. government agency reports from Health and Human Services and Center for Disease Control.

The DOJ study is simply outnumbered.

Something else to consider…

the DOJ compiles crime stats from local police agencies. Police arrest policies that target men more than women would mean that the NUMBERS ARE MAN HEAVY. Police officers are probably not arresting women in equal numbers as men. And as we all know, the first contact with the criminal justice system begins with arrest. Then prosecution, and the end of the line is conviction and incarceration.

Police bias in arrest policies is detailed at this site:

http://www.mediaradar.org/

So for these, and other reasons as stated in my reply to One Smart Chick, the single DOJ study is not enough to debunk ALL of the sources that I have posted that have better quality and timely data.

With respect to the 74% of men committing sexual abuse, are you getting that number from the DOJ report? Is this involving children or children and adults?

I would need to know that before I can respond.

Thanks.

09-28-2006 09:42 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
OneSmartChick
Regular Contributor
OneSmartChick

Mamm –

Since you discount sources from “Women’s groups”  I am going to disregard the sources from the men’s activism group – Fair is fair – Right??

Now to discount the 25 page report from the US DOJ that put forth – you are putting up your three reports from the Austrailian government – huh????  The US has 300 million people and the crime states in the DOJ report were caputured from ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.  No offensive to the Aussies – but you all have 21 million population (check the CIA fact book)

You put forth also that your Austrailian stats should prevail because the US culture and Aussie’s are much alike – well on that along – the US DOJ should prevail because we have a larger sample…The fact that you summarily dismiss the findings of the US DOJ – when the stats reported here a MAJORITY – 74% of violent crimes commited by men (including family or domestic violence) –  What are you smoking guy?????

Sir – you are going to need to try again.  Try, try again.

09-28-2006 09:58 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Mamonaku
Regular Contributor
Mamonaku
“Mamm –

Since you discount sources from “Women’s groups” I am going to disregard the sources from the men’s activism group – Fair is fair – Right??”

You are free to discount what you will. And I have never discounted anything from any source. The fact of the matter is that for all the FemiNasties I’ve debated on this board, I have won each and every time simply because my data is overwhelmingly superior to theirs.

Please understand, I am posting to you, but I am not that concerned if you agree with me or not. I would hope that you would have a change of heart, but that’s not my overriding goal.

My point is that those who lurk will weigh the evidence. And so far, you have produced one DOJ report. You have not responded to any of my points as to why I am discounting that report. Reasonable people will stack all of my sources, which are six in number, vs your questionable 25 page report. And they will make their decision based on that. And the majority of reasonable people will decided that six current, relevant, up to date reports are better than one.

“Now to discount the 25 page report from the US DOJ that put forth – you are putting up your three reports from the Austrailian government – huh???? The US has 300 million people and the crime states in the DOJ report were caputured from ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. No offensive to the Aussies – but you all have 21 million population (check the CIA fact book)”

See above. Also, you did not read my response to Angry Muppet closely… I said, One Austrailian government study, TWO studies from American agencies… the CDC and the Department of Health and Human Services.

“You put forth also that your Austrailian stats should prevail because the US culture and Aussie’s are much alike – well on that along – the US DOJ should prevail because we have a larger sample…The fact that you summarily dismiss the findings of the US DOJ – when the stats reported here a MAJORITY – 74% of violent crimes commited by men (including family or domestic violence) – What are you smoking” guy?????

Again, you did not read my response to Angry Muppet carefully. I asked him for more information on what that 74% number represents, and I believe he was talking about sex crimes, not violent crimes in general.

Apples and Oranges do not win arguments my lady.

“Sir – you are going to need to try again. Try, try again.”

Again, I am waiting for a complete and correct response to my assertions.

Checkmate.

09-28-2006 10:27 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
tellafriend
Regular Contributor
tellafriend

AngryMuppet wrote:
See? It’s like he’s talking to someone else, what with all the stuff about “throwing a tantrum” (?), using terms of endearment (“pumpkin”?) toward me as though I’m his lover and then accusing me of acting homosexual.

Awwwwwww PUMPKIN!

PLEASE don’t be angry and pouty with me that I pointed out your homosexual fisting fantasy you left for me in that post. Hey I’m sure there’s plenty of guys on the Oprah board that would love to hear from you.

And please don’t throw another tantrum. I would have for you to keep embarrassing yourself in public. Although you are pretty good at it.

I’m actually beginning to think that he’s actually a woman posing as an anti-feminist in order to make their side look mean and idiotic.

Awwww PUMPKIN, there you go being all pouty faced again. Don’t worry. I promise I’ll try to pay more attention to you. You just keep working on your homosexual ana| fisting fantasy posts and I’ll just keep snapping your training bra.

That’s cute when you get all angry hahahhah

09-28-2006 11:25 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
tellafriend
Regular Contributor
tellafriend

OneDUMBBIITCH wrote:
BARK BARK BARK BARK!!!!!! GRRRR!!!!!!!!

Hey dumb biitch, while you’re busy fetching that stick, how about you fetch a few brain cells. Every time you try to debate, you sound like an efffing moron hahahaha

But it’s funny watching you work up a sweat.

09-28-2006 11:29 PM

==============================================================================
Click on the board or message subject at the top to return.

Reader Response to “Don’t Marry Career Women” – Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Happy_Bullet
Regular Contributor
Happy_Bullet

OneDumbFeminazi Wrote:

Since you discount sources from “Women’s groups”  I am going to disregard the sources from the men’s activism group – Fair is fair – Right??

The studies were not done by the group, they were referenced by the group.

Saying that you will discount a source based on who it came from is not at all helpful and strongly indicates an underlying bias in your arguments and agenda. You have lost much credibility by making such a flimsy ad hominem attack. Well, if you hadn’t already lost it by this simply being the latest in a long line of flimsy attacks.

Nevertheless, if your criteria for dismissing a source is that somewhere along the line it was referenced by a “men’s activism group”, then we shall reference them directly and the grounds for dismissal are irrelevant:

School of Social Work University of Pennsylvania
http://www.ncfmla.org/gelles.html

British Crime Survey reported in 1996 that an equal proportion of men and women, 4.2%, had said they had been physically assaulted by a current or former spouse or lover in the past year.
http://www.fact.on.ca/news/news0011/ti001119.htm

California State University, Long Beach
SUMMARY:  This bibliography examines 195 scholarly investigations: 152 empirical studies and 43 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners.  The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 175,700.
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

John Archer, PhD
Psychological Bulletin
http://www.mediaradar.org/ja_sex_differences.php

The CDC.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5003a1.htm

The Australian Bureau of statistics study was done very recently and indicates a turn of the tide in terms of acceptance of feminist domestic abuse lies. There will be more studies like this from other governments, including within the US.

Studies from government organisations that indicate something which does not support the feminist agenda in today’s world of political correctness are very significant as they tell a truth that the people funding them do not want to hear.

Domestic abuse is the current strongest feminist platform, when this is exposed as the lie it is, aided by reporting through non-mainstream media such as the Internet, there will be irreparable damage to the credibility of feminists, particularly those who are frequently caught in logical fallacies and outright lies such as yourself.

Just desserts for a movement based on lies and hate. But predictably inevitable to people able to grasp cause and effect.

By all means continue to post ODF and let us all see the true face of feminism.

Message Edited by Happy_Bullet on 09-29-200607:43 AM

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-29-2006 07:15 AM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
khankrumthebulg
Regular Contributor
khankrumthebulg
OSC again few of the Men here care if you have a Career. We have in now way said Women should be denied any opportunities. What we are saying is simple. Career Women need to understand what Men want in a Spouse. If you want to pursue a career I have no problem with that. But timing is an issue. If you pursue education and a career when you are most fertile your chances of Marrying and having children decreases. Human biology trumps FemNag dogma. Feminist know this and their dogma is causing birth rates to plummet in the West. Additionally your beauty is highest when you are most Fertile. Does that register with you?

Life is about choices and consequences. And Men who are successful do not need your status, your career, or a hyper competitive Female Partner. What Men want is a pleasant, kind, sweet, gentle, maternal, Feminine companion. If you are being used for Sport Sex or a casual hook-up which I suspect is what is angering many of the Career Gals who have posted here. You have made a lifestyle choice that is in conflict with your biology.

That is not even addressing the fundamental Legal penalties that Men face in Marriage. The benefits are outweighed by the huge risks that Men face. For all of the complaints of the Women posting here. There seems to be zero interest in changing the issues that are causing Men to say no to Marriage. In fact many Women are demanding more benefits, more entitlements, and want more percentage of Marital assets in Divorce.

09-29-2006 07:53 AM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Back2TheKitchen
Regular Contributor
Back2TheKitchen

khankrumthebulg wrote: Life is about choices and consequences. And Men who are successful do not need your status, your career, or a hyper competitive Female Partner. What Men want is a pleasant, kind, sweet, gentle, maternal, Feminine companion.

Gents, when is the last time you came across an American Woman and described her as “pleasant, kind, sweet, gentle, maternal, and Feminine”?

I’m convinced that type of woman doesn’t exist in America.

On the other hand, American Women generally appear to suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

“hyper competitive” – how unpleasant are these women to be around? You can’t be in a relationship with these women.

My last, and I repeat my last, American girlfriend was infatuated with status, career and being “hyper competitive”. It consumed her entire being. She competed against other shoppers at the grocery store and also thought driving was some type of competition. One can only imagine what kind of psycho she was at work.

That was a miserable experience. She has her career and she considers herself successful, but she just couldn’t understand why myself or any other man didn’t want to marry or have children with her. Even if you explain it to her, she still doesn’t get it.

Having children and a successful marriage is an item she’ll never check off of her “life script” or to-do list. The same list that controls her life and ruins all of her relationships. Go figure.

Another career chick that’s an EVOLUTIONARY DEAD-END.

——————-

Message Edited by Back2TheKitchen on 09-29-200607:46 AM

“With women or the female mindset imparted through feminization on the vast majority of society, it will be very easy to control the Empire…I mean…the republic.” – mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com

09-29-2006 10:42 AM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
ZammoTheWeird
Contributor
ZammoTheWeird

Having children and a successful marriage is an item she’ll never check off of her “life script” or to-do list. The same list that controls her life and ruins all of her relationships. Go figure.

What is with that life script? I get the impression that most women (and too many men) have this pre-determined life script that must be followed or something really, really bad will happen.

If feminism were truly honest, then it would do as much as it could to tear up that life script and let individuals chose the best course of action for him/herself (as long as that person is keenly aware of the consequences of certain decisions).

Sadly, feminism has merely erased “get married and have a happy family” from the script and added “become a career woman”. But biology -baby rabies – does not get erased so easily because biology has an enormous affect on behavior.

Women are left with two competing and mutually exclusive items on their life scripts: being a career woman and creating a happy family.

I am terribly disappointed in Westernized women because they have accepted the feminist political and social dogma that simply cannot resolve the vast differences between politics and biology… Bed. Made. Lie.

09-29-2006 11:02 AM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
tellafriend
Regular Contributor
tellafriend

ZammoTheWeird wrote:
Having children and a successful marriage is an item she’ll never check off of her “life script” or to-do list. The same list that controls her life and ruins all of her relationships. Go figure.

What is with that life script? I get the impression that most women (and too many men) have this pre-determined life script that must be followed or something really, really bad will happen.

If feminism were truly honest, then it would do as much as it could to tear up that life script and let individuals chose the best course of action for him/herself (as long as that person is keenly aware of the consequences of certain decisions).

The problem is Misery Loves Company–These feminazi hags don’t want to be miserable all by themselves. That’s why they always drag along their younger cohorts. It’s the typical female herd mentality, the same mentality that creates c0ckblockers in the field–bitter angry women who do not get the attention of men, so they drag off their hotter friends REGARDLESS of feelings of their friend. I’ve been in situations where I was hitting it off with a particularly hot female and then along comes the fugly fat friend, bitter and angry that men ignore her. What’s her first reaction? To undercut her friend’s happiness, to drag her off because if she can’t have a good time, nobody will. Talk about Sour Grapes.

This is also why you’ll never find a woman with those type of qualities in America. You have to TRAIN your woman to be like that because she was TRAINED by feminism to abhor femininity. She was TRAINED to shun the role of a woman based upon her function. She was taught by feminism to defy her function and thus render herself useless and unattractive to men. Women need to be TRAINED by a man. They need to relearn how to be feminine. This is why you want to choose a younger woman, not one of these hags who has already hit the wall (30+ ) You have to take an active role in training a woman to behave like a woman. Not a pseudoman competing with you every step of the way.

09-29-2006 11:54 AM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
AngryMuppet
Regular Contributor
AngryMuppet
Mam:

The Australian survey is relevant because America and Australia have many things in common such as language, culture, a strong feminist presence, and also advocates to its citizenry that most Domestic Violence victims are women.

Although I too have heard that those things are true, the differences in our cultures are also profound, including our criminal justice system. I’m not prepared to debate matters in Australia, largely because I don’t live there and have never lived there, nor have I ever been there. I’m essentially “taking your word for it” that Australian statistics regarding crime are analagous to American crime stats, and I have no real reason to believe that they are absent some further data. Sorry. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t have enough information to say you’re right, either.

the DOJ compiles crime stats from local police agencies. Police arrest policies that target men more than women would mean that the NUMBERS ARE MAN HEAVY. Police officers are probably not arresting women in equal numbers as men. And as we all know, the first contact with the criminal justice system begins with arrest. Then prosecution, and the end of the line is conviction and incarceration.

Police bias in arrest policies is detailed at this site:

http://www.mediaradar.org/

The DOJ study I’m talking about is the same one showing that more child abuse is committed by women. Are you now distancing youself from that study? In addition, I’m disappointed by the lack of transparency at mediaradar.org. You can’t tell who’s behind the group, who’s on their board, etc. The telephone number is a Boston-area number, but the mailing address is in Maryland. There’s no “about us” or anything like that. The only named individual is “Mark B. Rosenthal,” who is a self-employed software engineer in Massachussets. Not exactly a guy whose research credentials I’m going to trust.

However, assuming everything he says is true, the one thing that stands out to me about the whole “men are victims of DV too” argument is the fact that women are NINE TIMES more likely to report it than men. That’s a big deal. Obviously if men reported what was happening to them we’d have a different idea of what was going on in homes. My question to you is: WHY don’t men report it if it’s happening at the rates Rosenthal suggests?

With respect to the 74% of men committing sexual abuse, are you getting that number from the DOJ report? Is this involving children or children and adults?

It’s from the exact same report showing that women commit more child abuse than men. However, the report notes that 74% of sexual abuse and violence against children is commited by men, although men constitute slightly less than half of all total reports of abuse and neglect.

09-29-2006 01:58 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Back2TheKitchen
Regular Contributor
Back2TheKitchen
http://www.mens-rights.net/law/abuse.htm

——————————

“With women or the female mindset imparted through feminization on the vast majority of society, it will be very easy to control the Empire…I mean…the republic.” – mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com

09-29-2006 02:16 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
MartianBachelor
Regular Contributor
MartianBachelor
“…and also thought driving was some type of competition.”

Presumably she could at least get in a car and not get lost ot run into things.

Life Scripts… These were the core concept in the social psychological theory which became transactional analysis (TA), and if you’re into such things and not already familiar I really recommend studying the subject some. The originator of TA was Eric Berne, who was IMO both a brilliant scientist and an engaging no-BS writer. “Sex in Human Loving” and “What Do You Say After You Say Hello?” would be my two top picks of his.

“…or something really, really bad will happen.”

Yea, life scripts are a Really Big Deal for a bunch of reasons.

Why do I bring this up? Because the fundamental mechanism by which life scripts are “transmitted” to children according to the theory is via the parent of the opposite sex, whose primary model for what the child should be (or not be) is their parent of that sex. Consequently, men tend to resemble their mother’s father in many important ways; for girls it’s their father’s mother. (see if that doesn’t ring true for you in some sense) Father-son conflicts often arise when the father has problems with his father-in-law.

There are numerous other practical implications. I’ll just mention three:
1) As much as we hear these days about “role models”, which are always of the same sex, they’re of lesser significance.
2) Single mother “families” are initially most detrimental to girls because there is no father to script them (some might see that as an advantage); when they become the next generation of women, these girls are then unable to script their sons.
3) One of the most important things to ask/learn about a woman is what her father was like; if she hates him then it’s likely she really hates her script and will be one big unhappy mess at war with herself (but could temporarily be a wild ride). If she passes that screening, ask/learn about what she knows about his mother (her paternal grandmother) and what she was like; she should be describing her own script at this point (without realizing it of course), so if it’s all good then breathe a huge sigh of relief – if not it’ll at least give you a heads-up on where the trouble-spots will be. Doesn’t change any laws or society at large, but it’s about the best you can do under the current circumstances.

______________________________________________
“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

09-29-2006 03:59 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Mamonaku
Regular Contributor
Mamonaku
AM said,

“Although I too have heard that those things are true, the differences in our cultures are also profound, including our criminal justice system. I’m not prepared to debate matters in Australia, largely because I don’t live there and have never lived there, nor have I ever been there. I’m essentially “taking your word for it” that Australian statistics regarding crime are analagous to American crime stats, and I have no real reason to believe that they are absent some further data. Sorry. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t have enough information to say you’re right, either.”

That’s fine… we’re Men after all. We can agree to disagree. As I told OSC, I think that the majority of Reasonable people would accept it.

And in addition, there are five other reports that I have cited that more or less affirm that women abuse as much as men.

“The DOJ study I’m talking about is the same one showing that more child abuse is committed by women. Are you now distancing youself from that study?”

The stats that I posted that show that women commit more child abuse came from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, and a separate article from the San Francisco Chronicle.

I haven’t cited any stats from the DOJ study that OSC found in any of my arguments.

As far as Media Radar, the org itself might not have the greatest of transparency, but the citations are sufficient for the dedicated researcher to find the original sources.

In addition, there are links available on this board to a few primary data sources, so have at it!

“However, assuming everything he says is true, the one thing that stands out to me about the whole “men are victims of DV too” argument is the fact that women are NINE TIMES more likely to report it than men.”

And that is why I distrust the DOJ stats, because Men do consistantly under-report. And the Department of Justice stats are mainly driven off of police reports and cases filed.

The answer why is kinda simple… what Manly man calls the police on his 98 pound girlfriend?

Who the hell is gonna believe him anyway? You have the reports at your fingertips, and you STILL don’t believe. What the hell is a guy on the street gonna say to that approaching Cop who is, in many cases, mandated to arrest him simply because he is a man?

My brother, please appreciate the precarious position all of us are in.

All it takes is one phone call, and your life is toast. I’ve seen it happen to too many people in real life… not to mention what I read in the newspapers and whatnot.

As you know, I am a numbers guy. I like to do the analysis. But there is a point where you also have to use common sense. When I unplugged from the Fematrix… it was incredibly freaking painful. It was like I lost my innocence.

Open your eyes to see my friend. Listen… really listen to women and how they talk about men.

Read the responses from the women on this board!

There comes a point in time where we all have to face the painful truth… what we were taught about love, sex, and relationships, was a lie of monstrous proportions.

We MRAs have every good reason to agree with you. We have everything to gain if we would only deny the decay that is going on all around us.

But we can’t. We won’t. Power really conceeds nothing without demand.

MRA’s are gonna roll on, with or without ya.

AM, I really really hope that you come around.

Join our side!

mamonaku187.blogspot.com

Thanks for reading.

09-29-2006 04:58 PM

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
Happy_Bullet
Regular Contributor
Happy_Bullet

I’m disappointed by the lack of transparency at mediaradar.org.

Well, it is warranted. Have you heard the story of Erin Pizzey, the founder of the women’s refuge movement?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey

In her book “Prone to Violence” she propounded the theory that many of the women who took refuge had a personality such that they sought abusive relationships. her book “Prone to Violence” she propounded the theory that many of the women who took refuge had a personality such that they sought abusive relationships.

After death threats made by feminist activists against her, her children, her grandchildren and the shooting of her dog [3], Pizzey left New Mexico in the U.S. to return to England, where her insights were sought by politicians and family pressure groups.

It would be nice if transparency on such a site were a good idea, but history suggests it clearly is not. Nevertheless Rosenthal (I doubt it is his real name) is not the researcher, the studies were done by other people. he merely links to them.

My question to you is: WHY don’t men report it if it’s happening at the rates Rosenthal suggests?

Ah yes. The sorry state of affairs in our current socio-political climate, here’s a couple of good reasons:

1. He will be laughed at for being beaten by his wife.
2. A counter accusal will more than likely be put forth (legitimate or not) which will result in his arrest.

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

09-29-2006 10:55 PM

==============================================================================
Click on the board or message subject at the top to return.

Reader Response to “Don’t Marry Career Women” – Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy

Re: Feminism begs to differ, but unisex brain is a fantasy
MartianBachelor
Regular Contributor
MartianBachelor
Erin Pizzey wasn’t the only woman back then to get seriously bullied and terrorized by feminazis.

Esther Vilar, author of “The Manipulated Man”, came to the US in 1972 on a book promotion tour, hitting the East Coast first. There was a large amount of controversy surrounding her book, because of its subject matter, and because women’s lib was a big deal and in the news a lot back then.

Hearing of the buzz, but not looking into it any deeper than that, The Tonight Show (w/Johnny Carson) booked her to be on his show when she made it to the West Coast a few days later. Bomb threats forced cancellation of her appearance — the only time a guest was prevented from appearing on Johnny’s hugely big show for reasons such as that.

______________________________________________
“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

09-29-2006 11:52 PM

==============================================================================
Click on the board or message subject at the top to return.

Advertisements
%d bloggers like this: