Indicators of Systemic Discrimination Against Men


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Indicators of Systemic Discrimination Against Men
Back2TheKitchen
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Back2TheKitchen
The American woman by the 1960s lived in the nation with the world’s highest standard of living and owned 65% of the wealth in that nation.

Feminists “felt victimized”, however, and convinced American women that they are “discriminated against”.

Never have they been required to nor been able to produce a shred of statistical evidence to back up that claim.

Key statistical indicators each illustrate how men have been and are being systematically discriminated against by government fiat.

1. WEALTH: Women hold 65% of the country’s wealth [Fortune Magazine]

2. CHILD CUSTODY: Women receive custody of 92% of the children of divorce and illegitimacy, and men only 4%. [Department of Health & Human Services]

3. INCOME: Men constitute 60% of workplace hours, work longer hours, work harder, and are more qualified, rarely file sexual discrimination or harassment lawsuits or take pregnancy leave, yet earn only 42% more than women [Dept. Labor]

4. SUICIDE: Men’s suicide rate is 4.6 times higher than women’s [Dept. Health & Human Services — 26,710 males vs 5,700 females]

5. LIFE EXPECTANCY: Men’s life expectancy is seven (7) years shorter than women’s [National Center for Health Statistics — males 72.3 yrs vs females 79 yrs] yet receive only 35% of government expenditures for health care and medical costs.

6. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION: Men are discriminated against BY DESIGN through affirmative action.

7. FEDERAL TAXES: Even though men pay 115% of federal income taxes women constitute 11% more of the voters.

8. VOTE: Because there are 11% more female than male voters, males have little to no influence on how the male tax dollar is spent.

9. WAR: Men, not women, fight and die in battle [Dept. Defense — Vietnam Casualties 47,369 men vs 74 women] while women sue the taxpayer when they have their butt pinched.

10. WORKPLACE FATALITIES: Men account for more than 95% of workplace fatalities.

11. MURDER: Men are murdered at a rate almost 5 times that of women [Dept. Health & Human Services — 26,710 men vs 5,700 women]

12. JURY BIAS: Women are acquitted of spousal murder at a rate 9 times that of men [Bureau Justice Statistics — 1.4% of men vs 12.9% of women]

13. COURT BIAS: Men are sentenced 2.8 times longer than women for spousal murder [Bureau Justice Statistics — men at 17 years vs women at 6 years]

14. JUSTICE SYSTEM BIAS: Even though the amount of the average “child support payment” due from women is half the amount due from men, and even though women are twice as likely as men to default on those payments, fathers are 97% of “child support” collections prosecutions [Census Bureau]

15. WELFARE: Even though men are the recipients of less than 10% of all welfare disbursements, men are required to refund welfare payments made to women.

16. SECONDARY EDUCATION: Even though zero percent of American 12th grade girls were able to correctly answer basic math and physics questions, less than one quarter of America’s secondary and elementary school teachers are men.

17. HIGHER EDUCATION: There are more than 200 all-female colleges for women and now not one single all-male college for men. 5.8% fewer men than women are enrolled in 4 year colleges, even though two thirds of those who score higher than 550 in SAT Math are males. In 1993 only 44.5% of college enrollment were men, and that figure has declined since then. Only 45.8% of of bachelor’s degrees were conferred to men in 1992, even though 98.2% of the top fiftieth percentile of the GRE are men, and ZERO PERCENT of American high school girls correctly answered 28 out of 67 TIMSS advanced math questions. Only 38.4% of private 4 year college students were men as of 1990, and this figure has declined since then.

18. LEGAL SYSTEM BIAS: 96% of physical altercations resulting in injury to a spouse occurs AFTER the date of separation. [Read: spousal abuse laws that pretend that husbands are dangerous discriminate against husbands when we know that only a very small percent of domestic violence is associated with them]. [Chadwick and Heaton, “Statistical Handbook of the American Family”]

19. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE: Even though study after study shows that women are the majority of the initiators of domestic violence, and 58% of the above mentioned physical altercations are initiated by the female, Congress passed the obviously anti-male VAWA and VAWA II.which are known would make the problem far worse. [Read: despite the fact we discriminate against husbands in protective orders, women still cause more than half of domestic altercations because they know they can get away with it].

20. CHILD VIOLENCE: Even though mothers commit 55% of child murders and biological fathers commit 6%, even though NIS-3 shows that Mother-only households are 3 times more fatal to children than Father-only households, children are systematically removed from the natural fathers who are their most effective protectors and men are imprisoned at rate 20 times that of women.

21. FAMILY BREAKDOWN: The US Surgeon General notes that divorce is more harmful to a man’s health than smoking tobacco, yet as much as $1.3 Trillion of federal expenditures accomplish little else than undermine family stability.

22. WOMEN PILOTS: Even though women pilots have an accident rate four times that of men pilots, federal laws require that airlines risk the safety of passengers and hire women pilots anyway.

23. WOMEN DRIVERS: Even though the crash rate of women drivers is twice that of men drivers, and even though drinking alcohol increases the crash rate of men by only 5%, the majority of those imprisoned under DUI laws are men, and women are almost never imprisoned for their much higher number of non-alcohol-related crashes.

24. INCARCERATION: Even though feminists brag that 1.4 million American brides commit adultery, and even though women file more than 90,000 false allegations of rape, every year, only 99,000 of the 1.8 million Americans behind bars are women.

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“With women or the female mindset imparted through feminization on the vast majority of society, it will be very easy to control the Empire…I mean…the republic.” – mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com

10-19-2006 05:54 PM

Re: Indicators of Systemic Discrimination Against Men
phatkat811
Regular Contributor
phatkat811
First of all, did you at all consider the source when you posted this? The Christian Party, who presented all this information, also claims the holocaust never happened, and that 75-90% of Americans are in favor of exiling all blacks to Liberia.

1. WEALTH: Women hold 65% of the country’s wealth [Fortune Magazine]

But out of the 50 richest Americans, only 7 are women (two are Waltons), with one more listing being a husband and wife and one adding “and family”.
http://tinyurl.com/3tgqy

2. CHILD CUSTODY: Women receive custody of 92% of the children of divorce and illegitimacy, and men only 4%. [Department of Health & Human Services]

The only thing I don’t understand is that you men keep claiming that the best person to raise a child is its mother, and that’s why women should stay home. Then you get upset when the courts agree with you.

4. SUICIDE: Men’s suicide rate is 4.6 times higher than women’s [Dept. Health & Human Services — 26,710 males vs 5,700 females]

Men have had a markedly higher suicide rate since the 1800’s at least.
http://tinyurl.com/y5uc4c (Unfortunately access to the fulltext article isn’t available.)

5. LIFE EXPECTANCY: Men’s life expectancy is seven (7) years shorter than women’s [National Center for Health Statistics — males 72.3 yrs vs females 79 yrs] yet receive only 35% of government expenditures for health care and medical costs.

Also nothing new. Men have always had a shorter life expectancy. And if women stay home like you men want, they may live even longer on average. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus05.pdf#027

As far as the government spending more on health care for women: first of all, women who take care of themselves generally have more to do. They need to get an annual exam and pap smear starting at 18 or so, plus mammograms at age 40. Men are only recommended to get a prostate exam (no lab tests) every year starting at 50. Plus, women are more likely by nature to go to the doctor. Men more often try to be tough and don’t like to ask for help.

6. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION: Men are discriminated against BY DESIGN through affirmative action.

Agreed. I have never been in favor of AA and have tried to avoid it in the past when I apply for jobs. For one thing, I’m white so it does discriminate against me as well (though not as much); for another, I want to be given a job because I have the skills to do it, not because of my genitalia.

7. FEDERAL TAXES: Even though men pay 115% of federal income taxes women constitute 11% more of the voters.

First of all, how can men pay 115% of something? But if the point is that men pay more taxes, isn’t that how you men want it? You would like for the men to pay 100% of income taxes, because that would mean women aren’t working, right?

8. VOTE: Because there are 11% more female than male voters, males have little to no influence on how the male tax dollar is spent.

Then tell every man you know to get out and vote. Only 51% of the US population is female. We are not responsible for men who do not vote.

9. WAR: Men, not women, fight and die in battle [Dept. Defense — Vietnam Casualties 47,369 men vs 74 women] while women sue the taxpayer when they have their butt pinched.

First of all, Vietnam statistics will obviously show more men than women in combat. The war was right in the middle of the baby boom, and mothers could not go to war – plus, it began almost 50 years ago, before a lot of women worked outside the home anyway, and the draft is for men. (I also don’t agree with a male-only draft in this day and age. I don’t agree with the draft period, but if it must exist, it should be genderless.) Tried to find some Iraq or Gulf War stats by gender, but I couldn’t; besides, military service during those wars is/was voluntary.

10. WORKPLACE FATALITIES: Men account for more than 95% of workplace fatalities.

Men are naturally stronger than women, physically, and are more likely to do dangerous physical jobs.

11. MURDER: Men are murdered at a rate almost 5 times that of women [Dept. Health & Human Services — 26,710 men vs 5,700 women]

90% of murderers are also male.
http://www.murdervictims.com/murder_statistics.htm

12. JURY BIAS: Women are acquitted of spousal murder at a rate 9 times that of men [Bureau Justice Statistics — 1.4% of men vs 12.9% of women]

If this is true, and assuming that all or most of these people are actually guilty, that’s not fair.

13. COURT BIAS: Men are sentenced 2.8 times longer than women for spousal murder [Bureau Justice Statistics — men at 17 years vs women at 6 years]

I’ve noticed that too. Also not fair.

14. JUSTICE SYSTEM BIAS: Even though the amount of the average “child support payment” due from women is half the amount due from men, and even though women are twice as likely as men to default on those payments, fathers are 97% of “child support” collections prosecutions [Census Bureau]

Simple reasoning explains this. As we know, most women get custody, so we can safely assume that a woman must be pretty screwed up to lose custody of her children. That said, she will most likely not be making much money, therefore will not owe much. The reason why men are prosecuted more is in that statement – they owe more. More money is a higher priority. I didn’t say the system is fair, but that particular stat is an offshoot of the unfair divorce laws, not a separate misandrist issue.

16. SECONDARY EDUCATION: Even though zero percent of American 12th grade girls were able to correctly answer basic math and physics questions, less than one quarter of America’s secondary and elementary school teachers are men.

This was the first thing I tried to check out because I could not believe that zero percent thing. I tried to find out more about the study, but the original link only links to other pages on its own site and never shows the original study. The closest thing I could find was a link to test scores that appeared to show girls getting questions correct.
http://christianparty.net/s12alm95.pdf

17. HIGHER EDUCATION: There are more than 200 all-female colleges for women and now not one single all-male college for men. 5.8% fewer men than women are enrolled in 4 year colleges, even though two thirds of those who score higher than 550 in SAT Math are males. In 1993 only 44.5% of college enrollment were men, and that figure has declined since then. Only 45.8% of of bachelor’s degrees were conferred to men in 1992, even though 98.2% of the top fiftieth percentile of the GRE are men, and ZERO PERCENT of American high school girls correctly answered 28 out of 67 TIMSS advanced math questions. Only 38.4% of private 4 year college students were men as of 1990, and this figure has declined since then.

I agree that if there are all-female colleges, there should be all-male colleges.

It is a man’s decision to enroll in college and I’m not sure how feminists are discouraging men to enroll. If you could enlighten me that would be great.

GRE stats (if those are even correct – they’re the only ones in that paragraph, on the original site, with no link) could be skewed because a number of graduate programs waive the GRE if a person’s undergrad GPA is high enough. Also, the GRE is not like the SAT. There are subject tests and these stats do not specify which is which. FINALLY, if those stats were true, I doubt any women would get into graduate school. I don’t think many schools accept the lower 50, yet there are plenty of female grad students.

20. CHILD VIOLENCE: Even though mothers commit 55% of child murders and biological fathers commit 6%, even though NIS-3 shows that Mother-only households are 3 times more fatal to children than Father-only households, children are systematically removed from the natural fathers who are their most effective protectors and men are imprisoned at rate 20 times that of women.

Not true. In children under 5, fathers commit 31% of murders and mothers commit 30%.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm (fourth chart down)

Men being imprisoned is unrelated in this particular discussion, because that stat has nothing to do with people killing or not killing their children.

>21. FAMILY BREAKDOWN: The US Surgeon General notes that divorce is more harmful to a man’s health than smoking tobacco, yet as much as $1.3 Trillion of federal expenditures accomplish little else than undermine family stability.

What can the government do? Provide free marriage counseling? Is it the government’s job to keep a family together or the family’s?

22. WOMEN PILOTS: Even though women pilots have an accident rate four times that of men pilots, federal laws require that airlines risk the safety of passengers and hire women pilots anyway.

Airlines should be able to hire any pilot who proves themselves to be competent. If pilots are crashing at high levels, airlines need higher standards. That “four times” rate also sounds big, but it’s actually only .1% of male pilots vs. .39% of female pilots.

23. WOMEN DRIVERS: Even though the crash rate of women drivers is twice that of men drivers, and even though drinking alcohol increases the crash rate of men by only 5%, the majority of those imprisoned under DUI laws are men, and women are almost never imprisoned for their much higher number of non-alcohol-related crashes.

Since when do we imprison ANYONE for non-alcohol-related accidents? A DUI is a CRIME and everyone, male or female, knows this before they do it.

24. INCARCERATION: Even though feminists brag that 1.4 million American brides commit adultery, and even though women file more than 90,000 false allegations of rape, every year, only 99,000 of the 1.8 million Americans behind bars are women.

Adultery by anyone is horrible, but I don’t think too many people are in favor of making it a crime punishable by incarceration. I also agree that false crime allegations should be punished.

10-20-2006 07:43 PM

Re: Indicators of Systemic Discrimination Against Men
PatriarchVerlch
Regular Contributor
PatriarchVerlch
Most of that stuff is already holds true. We work more, therefore pay more taxes, then women and section 8 housing projects benefit from not having to work.

I work for many government funded housing projects. These able bodied people just sit around the house all day on disabilities. They are are a tax burden on men, allowing women to vote caused this problem!

If a man doesn’t work, neither should he eat, in my opinion!

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

10-21-2006 02:21 AM

Re: Indicators of Systemic Discrimination Against Men
HappyMom
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HappyMom

phatkat811 wrote:
First of all, did you at all consider the source when you posted this? The Christian Party, who presented all this information, also claims the holocaust never happened, and that 75-90% of Americans are in favor of exiling all blacks to Liberia.

1. WEALTH: Women hold 65% of the country’s wealth [Fortune Magazine]

But out of the 50 richest Americans, only 7 are women (two are Waltons), with one more listing being a husband and wife and one adding “and family”.

oh fatbat, did you consider that there is a reason that more of the richest Americans aren’t women despite all of the laws in [lace that favor women earning money? Further you missed the point. The statistic you qutoe has nothing to do with the one mentioned.

Once againyou sound like a covetous communist happy take other people’s hard earned money for your lazy ass self. You yourself admitted that you chose a low paying job for the sheer enjoyment of it. In otherwords you aren’t on that list because of your own actions.

2. CHILD CUSTODY: Women receive custody of 92% of the children of divorce and illegitimacy, and men only 4%. [Department of Health & Human Services]

The only thing I don’t understand is that you men keep claiming that the best person to raise a child is its mother, and that’s why women should stay home. Then you get upset when the courts agree with you.

parents sheould stay together as married couples and raise their children together. Period. This shouldn’t be an issue and wouldn’t be an issue if the awful divorce laws weren’t in plce

4. SUICIDE: Men’s suicide rate is 4.6 times higher than women’s [Dept. Health & Human Services — 26,710 males vs 5,700 females]

Men have had a markedly higher suicide rate since the 1800’s at least.
http://tinyurl.com/y5uc4c (Unfortunately access to the fulltext article isn’t available.)

And you don’t think it could, in some way, be related to the way they are treated by mothers or wives, and worst ex-wives? Again your argument doesn’t explain how this isn’t discrimination towards men

5. LIFE EXPECTANCY: Men’s life expectancy is seven (7) years shorter than women’s [National Center for Health Statistics — males 72.3 yrs vs females 79 yrs] yet receive only 35% of government expenditures for health care and medical costs.

Also nothing new. Men have always had a shorter life expectancy. And if women stay home like you men want, they may live even longer on average. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus05.pdf#027

So again, since this isn’t new, maybe there has actually been longstanding oppression of men in our society rather than women. Or perhaps that when men and women fulfill their proper roles women actually benefit

As far as the government spending more on health care for women: first of all, women who take care of themselves generally have more to do. They need to get an annual exam and pap smear starting at 18 or so, plus mammograms at age 40. Men are only recommended to get a prostate exam (no lab tests) every year starting at 50.

All these reccomendations are man-made based on the funded research. Maybe there is just as much men could be looking into but they don’t even know what is.

Plus, women are more likely by nature to go to the doctor. Men more often try to be tough and don’t like to ask for help

Pure speculation and stereotyping
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6. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION: Men are discriminated against BY DESIGN through affirmative action.

Agreed. I have never been in favor of AA and have tried to avoid it in the past when I apply for jobs. For one thing, I’m white so it does discriminate against me as well (though not as much); for another, I want to be given a job because I have the skills to do it, not because of my genitalia.

7.

FEDERAL TAXES: Even though men pay 115% of federal income taxes women constitute 11% more of the voters.

First of all, how can men pay 115% of something? But if the point is that men pay more taxes, isn’t that how you men want it? You would like for the men to pay 100% of income taxes, because that would mean women aren’t working, right?

8. VOTE: Because there are 11% more female than male voters, males have little to no influence on how the male tax dollar is spent.

Then tell every man you know to get out and vote. Only 51% of the US population is female. We are not responsible for men who do not vote.

9. WAR: Men, not women, fight and die in battle [Dept. Defense — Vietnam Casualties 47,369 men vs 74 women] while women sue the taxpayer when they have their butt pinched.

First of all, Vietnam statistics will obviously show more men than women in combat. The war was right in the middle of the baby boom, and mothers could not go to war – plus, it began almost 50 years ago, before a lot of women worked outside the home anyway, and the draft is for men. (I also don’t agree with a male-only draft in this day and age. I don’t agree with the draft period, but if it must exist, it should be genderless.) Tried to find some Iraq or Gulf War stats by gender, but I couldn’t; besides, military service during those wars is/was voluntary.

women don’t belong in the military or war. What if she is pregnant? Then the baby would die for the sake of her empowerment. Oh wait – that already happens everyday!

10. WORKPLACE FATALITIES: Men account for more than 95% of workplace fatalities.

Men are naturally stronger than women, physically, and are more likely to do dangerous physical jobs.

11. MURDER: Men are murdered at a rate almost 5 times that of women [Dept. Health & Human Services — 26,710 men vs 5,700 women]

90% of murderers are also male.
http://www.murdervictims.com/murder_statistics.htm

So much for equality in jobs taht require strength or are dangerous

12. JURY BIAS: Women are acquitted of spousal murder at a rate 9 times that of men [Bureau Justice Statistics — 1.4% of men vs 12.9% of women]

If this is true, and assuming that all or most of these people are actually guilty, that’s not fair.

13. COURT BIAS: Men are sentenced 2.8 times longer than women for spousal murder [Bureau Justice Statistics — men at 17 years vs women at 6 years]

I’ve noticed that too. Also not fair.

our court system is a mess and justice is falling in the streets. Why is that?

14. JUSTICE SYSTEM BIAS: Even though the amount of the average “child support payment” due from women is half the amount due from men, and even though women are twice as likely as men to default on those payments, fathers are 97% of “child support” collections prosecutions [Census Bureau]

Simple reasoning explains this. As we know, most women get custody, so we can safely assume that a woman must be pretty screwed up to lose custody of her children. That said, she will most likely not be making much money, therefore will not owe much. The reason why men are prosecuted more is in that statement – they owe more. More money is a higher priority. I didn’t say the system is fair, but that particular stat is an offshoot of the unfair divorce laws, not a separate misandrist issue.

16. SECONDARY EDUCATION: Even though zero percent of American 12th grade girls were able to correctly answer basic math and physics questions, less than one quarter of America’s secondary and elementary school teachers are men.

This was the first thing I tried to check out because I could not believe that zero percent thing. I tried to find out more about the study, but the original link only links to other pages on its own site and never shows the original study. The closest thing I could find was a link to test scores that appeared to show girls getting questions correct.

Zero percent? that doesn’t sound right. What were the questions?

17. HIGHER EDUCATION: There are more than 200 all-female colleges for women and now not one single all-male college for men. 5.8% fewer men than women are enrolled in 4 year colleges, even though two thirds of those who score higher than 550 in SAT Math are males. In 1993 only 44.5% of college enrollment were men, and that figure has declined since then. Only 45.8% of of bachelor’s degrees were conferred to men in 1992, even though 98.2% of the top fiftieth percentile of the GRE are men, and ZERO PERCENT of American high school girls correctly answered 28 out of 67 TIMSS advanced math questions. Only 38.4% of private 4 year college students were men as of 1990, and this figure has declined since then.

I agree that if there are all-female colleges, there should be all-male colleges.

It is a man’s decision to enroll in college and I’m not sure how feminists are discouraging men to enroll. If you could enlighten me that would be great.

GRE stats (if those are even correct – they’re the only ones in that paragraph, on the original site, with no link) could be skewed because a number of graduate programs waive the GRE if a person’s undergrad GPA is high enough. Also, the GRE is not like the SAT. There are subject tests and these stats do not specify which is which. FINALLY, if those stats were true, I doubt any women would get into graduate school. I don’t think many schools accept the lower 50, yet there are plenty of female grad students.

this discrepancy has been widly reported and it will only hurt our society as men chas less earning power due to lack of degree. This is a dangerous imbalance. They will continue to the blue collar jobs the women avoid and women will push their way into the boardroom and run the company into the ground

20. CHILD VIOLENCE: Even though mothers commit 55% of child murders and biological fathers commit 6%, even though NIS-3 shows that Mother-only households are 3 times more fatal to children than Father-only households, children are systematically removed from the natural fathers who are their most effective protectors and men are imprisoned at rate 20 times that of women.

Not true. In children under 5, fathers commit 31% of murders and mothers commit 30%.

Men being imprisoned is unrelated in this particular discussion, because that stat has nothing to do with people killing or not killing their children.

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21. FAMILY BREAKDOWN: The US Surgeon General notes that divorce is more harmful to a man’s health than smoking tobacco, yet as much as $1.3 Trillion of federal expenditures accomplish little else than undermine family stability.

What can the government do? Provide free marriage counseling? Is it the government’s job to keep a family together or the family’s?

The government can repeal the no-fault divorce laws among other things

22. WOMEN PILOTS: Even though women pilots have an accident rate four times that of men pilots, federal laws require that airlines risk the safety of passengers and hire women pilots anyway.

Airlines should be able to hire any pilot who proves themselves to be competent. If pilots are crashing at high levels, airlines need higher standards. That “four times” rate also sounds big, but it’s actually only .1% of male pilots vs. .39% of female pilots.

23. WOMEN DRIVERS: Even though the crash rate of women drivers is twice that of men drivers, and even though drinking alcohol increases the crash rate of men by only 5%, the majority of those imprisoned under DUI laws are men, and women are almost never imprisoned for their much higher number of non-alcohol-related crashes.

Since when do we imprison ANYONE for non-alcohol-related accidents? A DUI is a CRIME and everyone, male or female, knows this before they do it.

24. INCARCERATION: Even though feminists brag that 1.4 million American brides commit adultery, and even though women file more than 90,000 false allegations of rape, every year, only 99,000 of the 1.8 million Americans behind bars are women.

Adultery by anyone is horrible, but I don’t think too many people are in favor of making it a crime punishable by incarceration. I also agree that false crime allegations should be punished.

I am!

10-21-2006 09:36 AM

Re: Indicators of Systemic Discrimination Against Men
phatkat811
Regular Contributor
phatkat811
oh fatbat, did you consider that there is a reason that more of the richest Americans aren’t women despite all of the laws in [lace that favor women earning money? Further you missed the point. The statistic you qutoe has nothing to do with the one mentioned.

Once againyou sound like a covetous communist happy take other people’s hard earned money for your lazy ass self. You yourself admitted that you chose a low paying job for the sheer enjoyment of it. In otherwords you aren’t on that list because of your own actions.

Once again? When before have I ever sounded like a communist who takes other people’s hard earned money? And ONCE AGAIN someone wants to bash my job when they only know 1% of what I do. Yes, I am in a low-paying field. I wouldn’t say “sheer enjoyment” is the word for it, unless you have a strange sense of what is “enjoyable”. Fulfilling, yes, definitely. What is wrong with that? Teachers are not paid well, nurses are paid better than teachers but not as well as doctors, and so on, but we need passionate people in both fields.

So how do I deal with not making a ton of money? I don’t take anyone else’s. I’ve learned how to live off of what I make. I drive a 12-year-old car that has never given me a problem, I split rent and utilities with two other people, I rarely eat out, I shop clearance racks. I would rather be happy with my work than have a lot of money and stuff.

Honestly, if I wanted sheer enjoyment, I’d find a rich guy to marry, take all of his money and spend my days shopping and going to the spa. I am by far not a lazy ass and that was an incredibly weak accusation given what is known about me here.

parents sheould stay together as married couples and raise their children together. Period. This shouldn’t be an issue and wouldn’t be an issue if the awful divorce laws weren’t in plce

I concur.

And you don’t think it could, in some way, be related to the way they are treated by mothers or wives, and worst ex-wives? Again your argument doesn’t explain how this isn’t discrimination towards men

Because our society was very patriarchal in the 1800s and men wouldn’t stand for that kind of treatment from their mothers or wives. I think ex-wives were barely an issue then.

So again, since this isn’t new, maybe there has actually been longstanding oppression of men in our society rather than women. Or perhaps that when men and women fulfill their proper roles women actually benefit

What oppression? That men have always had to work? Isn’t that what people like you WANT? If you spend 40 years working full-time, you’ll probably have more health problems than someone who stays home for that same amount of time. So what do we do?

All these reccomendations are man-made based on the funded research. Maybe there is just as much men could be looking into but they don’t even know what is.

Sure, but I have yet to hear of any dangerous male-specific diseases other than prostate cancer (mentioned) and testicular cancer (self-exams can prevent this). All other diseases that kill a substantial number of people apply to both genders. If some new disease starts killing large numbers of men, I would not be opposed at all to research being done.

women don’t belong in the military or war. What if she is pregnant? Then the baby would die for the sake of her empowerment. Oh wait – that already happens everyday!

Pregnant women obviously shouldn’t be allowed to fight – and aren’t. Abortion is an unrelated issue but since you brought it up, I’m actually pro-life.

So much for equality in jobs taht require strength or are dangerous

Well no kidding. Again, men are naturally stronger. If a bodybuilding female wants to do a job that requires heavy lifting, have at it, but the average female can’t do heavy labor on the same level as a man.

our court system is a mess and justice is falling in the streets. Why is that?

The US government is a joke right now. Not denying that.

Zero percent? that doesn’t sound right. What were the questions?

Like I said, the original site basically links to itself in circles when it comes to this one. I’m not buying it.
this discrepancy has been widly reported and it will only hurt our society as men chas less earning power due to lack of degree. This is a dangerous imbalance. They will continue to the blue collar jobs the women avoid and women will push their way into the boardroom and run the company into the ground

Not every woman going to college is going into a field involving boardrooms. I’m not against more men going to college. I’m not against ANYONE going to college. More power to them.

The government can repeal the no-fault divorce laws among other things

Adultery by anyone is horrible, but I don’t think too many people are in favor of making it a crime punishable by incarceration. I also agree that false crime allegations should be punished.

I am!

I guarantee you’re in the minority of Americans when it comes to that sentiment!!

10-21-2006 12:08 PM

Re: Indicators of Systemic Discrimination Against Men
PatriarchVerlch
Regular Contributor
PatriarchVerlch
Women are more likely to go to the Doctor. My mother and wife go to the doctor at the drop of a hat, and medicate themselves with anything the Doctor recommends.

If she happens to see a female Doctor, the female doctor does excess amounts of testing to make up for her lack of skill as a professional. Thus increasing every bodies medical insurance for unnecessary testing.

If you don’t have insurance don’t count on extra testing from female doctors, they also love the extra $$$$ they can charge, as long as insurance is paying for it!!! Kind of like the female accountant that embezzles millions over the years that nobody would suspect was a thief!!!

Women have been proving for the last 30 years that men have been right for the last 30 centuries!
http://www.verlch.blogspot.com

10-21-2006 02:06 PM

Re: Indicators of Systemic Discrimination Against Men
phatkat811
Regular Contributor
phatkat811
Well, if you have insurance, then the government isn’t paying for the extra tests, now is it? I thought that was the issue in the first place.

10-21-2006 11:08 PM

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