Raising moral monsters


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Raising moral monsters
khankrumthebulg
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khankrumthebulg
Fashions nowadays stress not only a lack of decency, but of anything finite. Materialism rules. One has to wonder if the current world understands such concepts as beauty and decency, which have been degraded and defrocked of all mystery.

Robert Duncan
October 5, 2006

I’m tired. Tired of being bombarded by images, like the young girls in the office or shops that insist on wearing trousers that hit them below their bikini lines. It honestly seems like often there is more skin showing than cloth.

How is a fellow supposed to keep his head clear — not to mention having Holy thoughts while paying at the checkout counter. But perhaps more seriously we should be asking who are these women dressing for. Something tells me that women don’t dress as if they should be “working on street corners” for other women, but instead do so for men.

Is this the result of when men debase femininity to a sexual act?

Fashions nowadays stress not only a lack of decency, but of anything finite. Materialism rules. One has to wonder if the current world understands such concepts as beauty and decency, which have been degraded and defrocked of all mystery.

I am reminded of a case a few years ago in Madrid that shocked Spaniards nationwide, and involved a young Spanish woman from a well-off family who was attending university and had a baby.

Nobody knew she was pregnant — supposedly not even her boyfriend.

According to the woman’s testimony, she had the baby in the bathtub. Thinking the baby was dead she wrapped it in a plastic bag and then placed it at the bottom of her closet.

Then she went to sleep.

The next morning she went to the university as if nothing had happened.

Police expressed surprise at her lack of emotion when telling what she’d done. They also say there was plastic in the baby’s mouth, as if trying to prevent it from crying, and it had abrasions.

The mother says the baby “dropped.”

Coupling a lack of decency with a throw-away philosophy is dangerous. Once the line is crossed, taste becomes mistaken for pleasure. It creates moral monsters — like young women who toss babies away as if they are disposable tissues.

At what stage, one has to ask, is the complete lack of compassion and appreciation for all that is human and divine the result of changing one solitary “l” in the word “class” for an “r.”

10-05-2006 06:13 PM

Re: Raising moral monsters
porkchops38
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If women aren’t in business, they shouldn’t advertise. Hookers are in businesss, that’s why they advertise.

10-05-2006 06:44 PM

Re: Raising moral monsters
Happy_Bullet
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Happy_Bullet

What can I say? Predictable result of a movement that aims to eliminate responsibility for one particular category of people.

ARE WE STILL NOT CLEAR ON THE REASON FOR ANTI-FEMINISTS??

Men have standards. Women will be compared. DEAL WITH IT.

10-06-2006 02:51 AM

Re: Raising moral monsters
reclaff
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Message Edited by reclaff on 07-30-2007 04:21 PM

10-06-2006 01:22 PM

Re: Raising moral monsters
minx12
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Every human is responsible for their actions. I don’t care who you are, what you are doing, who you are with, what you wearing, etc.

If you wear attention grabbing clothing, ladies, expect attention, both good and bad. Males are visual creatures. There is no disproving this fact. And if you invite his advances, and engage in intercourse, and try to cry off at the last possibly second,and then cry rape? In my eyes, YOU are the criminal and not him. However, if you rebuff him and still he persists, then you have the right to do whatever is necesary to put him off his advances.

Conversely, gentlemen, there is a line between thought and action. Just because a lady may wear stimulating clothing, this does not mean you can go over and ravish her or even verbally accost her without consequences to your actions. Men have a self control that is impressive and should definitely be exercised, especially in situations like these. By all means, go up and hit on her, but if she refuses your advance, WALK AWAY! Simple as that. However, if she invites you, and you do do what comes naturally, you are in the right…

In today’s society, one must walk a fine line. I personally would not wear “trampy” clothing. I have always thought way too highly of myself to want to garner that kind of attention from a male. I attracted my my husband whithout ever having to resort to such base come ons. Dress nicely and tastfully, and men will still flock to you if they consider you attractive, and they usually are a hell of a lot more polite to you in the process.

Just my two cents for whatever its worth.

10-06-2006 01:42 PM

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reclaff
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Message Edited by reclaff on 07-30-2007 04:21 PM

10-06-2006 02:30 PM

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minx12
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“Conversely, gentlemen, there is a line between thought and action. Just because a lady may wear stimulating clothing, this does not mean you can go over and ravish her or even verbally accost her without consequences to your actions.”

It is interesting to me that you use the word STIMULATING.  By using this word, you admit that women wearing such clothing are indeed TROLLING FOR A SEXUAL RESPONSE.  And yet you say the man, in the heat of his sexual response, when he is unlikely to be thinking as clearly as he might, at any moment must be prepared to INSTANTLY STOP at her slightest say-so.  Were the man to pay no attention to her in the first place, however, AND she wanted him, she would not only be hurt, she’d up the ante by firting more, and unbuttoning another button on the blouse.  Ok, but don’t these constraints reduce the man a tortured plaything at the end of her psychological string?  She is free to – and most women DO – endlessly TOY with his SELF-CONTROL just for the hell of it.  Women ENJOY this, not because they want to manipulate his sexual energy, but because they enjoy EXERTING POWER over him.

Women do this because they CAN do it, and get away with it.  It’s LEGAL, and the law protects her ALWAYS.  So “Come at me big boy, until I say, ‘Back off, you perv!'”  My question – do you think such behavior on the part of women is a MORAL WRONG?  Do you not see how men are abused by this behavior?_______________________________________________________________

_ The control part I am referring to is at the beginning of things. Say you are in a bar, you see woman with suggestive clothing and “schwing!” You have to go see if you can get up all in that. So you go make your come on. If she says no, walk away. This is If the bottom line is sex that night.

In all reality, you are not looking for a relationship with said woman. If you guys go back to your place and she cries off during intercourse, she is in the wrong, in my opinion. It’s little fuzzier if you guys are making out. She may find that you stink, or are too kinky for her taste or you do something offensive. Those can be mood killers almost instantly for women and will make sex at that point distasteful. It may suck and self control is a bitch and I don’t deny that, but she does have a right to say no. Once your are engaged in intercourse, then all bets are off. If you regret it, too d a  m n bad. Go put your trampy clothes back on, head home and be more choosy next time.
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“Men have a self control that is impressive and should definitely be exercised, especially in situations like these. By all means, go up and hit on her, but if she refuses your advance, WALK AWAY! Simple as that. However, if she invites you, and you do do what comes naturally, you are in the right…”

SIMPLE!?  REALLY!?  You are clearly not a man!  Your heart rate has doubled.  All of the blood you can spare has flowed to your p*nis.  All you are focusing on is getting your arms around that waist.  You are sweating and not thinking straight.  All you want is to release a tension that is building like a pressure cooker.  Between the legs you are pointing North and it shows.  You want to talk to her but petrified of rejection at the same time.  All the while you have to look COOL or she’ll push you off…and GAWD she’s so hot!

Now, STOP IMMEDIATELY because she whispers, “I’m unsure.”
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See above answer. It does suck. I don’t deny it. But I’m not gonna do you if my mood has died, and you can’t make me, and if you do, well….

Message Edited by minx12 on 10-06-200611:48 AM

Message Edited by minx12 on 10-06-200611:49 AM

10-06-2006 02:46 PM

Re: Raising moral monsters
reclaff
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Message Edited by reclaff on 07-30-2007 04:22 PM

10-06-2006 03:21 PM

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minx12
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minx12

My question – do you think such behavior on the part of women is a MORAL WRONG?  Do you not see how men are abused by this behavior?”
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Ah, morality, the crux of the matter.  Unequivocably, moral it is not. If you are out trolling for men, like a fisherman with a prize lure on, I can’t really say I am going to have a real high regard for your morals. Conversely, if you are out trolling for a one night roll in the hay with some loose woman, I am not exactly holding you in very high regard either.

(maybe I’m the wrong person to answer, since I am an old married lady, who wouldn’t do this any way:smileyvery-happy)

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Ok, self-control is a biltch.  Tell me, what self-control is SHE MORALLY OBLIGATED to demonstrate!?  Is she absolutely free to lead him any old which-way right up to insertion, wear what she wants, flirt how she wants, tease how she wants, and she is never MORALLY in the wrong!?

“Men have a self control that is impressive and should definitely be exercised, especially in situations like these….”

Ok, ma’am, but why don’t you say it’s a WOMAN’S MORAL OBLIGATION to HONOR and RESPECT that self-control, not ABUSE it!?  You seem to feel a woman has NO obligations….

“See above answer. It does suck. I don’t deny it. But I’m not gonna do you if my mood has died, and you can’t make me, and if you do, well….”

In other words, YOU TOO enjoy hanging men out on the end of a psychological string.  What does a man need?  A clear, decisive, EARLY YES, or a clear decisive, EARLY NO.  The difficulties come when you say YES in the bar, YES in the car ride, YES as you take off your clothes, then NO as foreplay begins, because your “mood” has changed.

Seems to me, you’re saying, “Hey, pal, life sucks for men, but women can do whatever the hell they want – get used to it.”

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Ah, how I wish it were that simple. (and the feminists are really gonna hate me for this one) A woman’s libido is a like an instrument. Play it well and you will likely be rewarded, but it is a fickle thing as well. So many factors can completely kill desire. And ironically enough, one of those kill factors can be whatever latent morality said woman has left. Imagine being in hot and heavy and that stupid little voice inside your head goes, “What the f*ck are you doing? This is wrong!” As a man your sheer physicality at that point probably overrides this, I can’t say for certain, but most women’s engines don’t tend to override the brain. Once you get it into your head that its wrong, its wrong. (the lousy female quality of intuition over logic).

And your right it’s not fair, and I really don’t want to say get used to it, but its the way it works unfortunately. Could be why marriage was such a desirable thing for so long through history. Until recently, sex as you pleased with your wife was never an issue. Women were required to “do their duty” and if they didn’t, it was socially acceptible, regardless of how morally unacceptable it was, to go to a prostitute.

An with feminism, that line has blurred. And trust me, most of us women are as confused as you are.

Message Edited by minx12 on 10-06-200601:00 PM

10-06-2006 03:59 PM

Re: Raising moral monsters
reclaff
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Message Edited by reclaff on 07-30-2007 04:22 PM

10-06-2006 04:13 PM

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minx12
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That’s good answer minx12.  There is definitely a difference in the sex drives, for sure.

Men are looking for certainty – either way.
Women have trouble delivering that certainty – either way.

I don’t think we will solve this.  One more answer is needed, though:

“Ok, ma’am, but why don’t you say it’s a WOMAN’S MORAL OBLIGATION to HONOR and RESPECT that self-control, not ABUSE it!?”

You failed to answer, but this point is really the crux of the matter.
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Honestly, From a personal perspective, and this in no way way presents the opinions anyone  else in any way shape or form, I do not speak for them, I believe a woman has an obligation to be decent individual, and that includes her mode of dressing. To do otherwise invites a sort of attention that most women don’t actively seek out. And if you are, woe be unto you. You are getting what you asked for, even if you underestimated its intensity.

Although, I would like to think more highly of man’s ability to control himself in such situations. Men like to crow about how logical and controlled they are, but in the presense of a hot chick you fall all to pieces? Come on. You have to have a better opinion of yourself than that. It can’t all be on the woman.

10-06-2006 05:35 PM

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reclaff
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Message Edited by reclaff on 07-30-2007 04:23 PM

10-06-2006 06:11 PM

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minx12
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minx12

Reclaff, please forgive me, I am not deliberatly trying to be be obtuse or offensive, sir, that is not my intent. To me it is not an easy yes or no question. I cannot know all the inner workings or perceptions as to what they may consider moral or what they may consider self control. what is moral for me is not necessarily moral for others.

But, I don’t think its right for any human to toy with any other human, either, emotionally, logically, morally or otherwise in any manner for any reason. However, you are responsible for you own actions and karma will treat you accordingly. Take that as a yes if you will. I thank you for your patience with this ol married lady.

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10-06-2006 06:23 PM

Re: Raising moral monsters
Cassius
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Cassius
Look you do not feed your man, he eats elsewhere. You do not sex up your man, he gets it elsewhere. I know more than one married man, keeping wifey happy not pestering her with sex, by going to prostitutes. Beats a divorce everytime. In fact prostitutes are very important for a happy marriage, it solves the problem of the sex drive gap without having any of the partners to put up with the other.

10-06-2006 09:48 PM

Re: Raising moral monsters
MartianBachelor
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One of the things I like to point to is how under “the patriarchy”, fashion trickled down from above. Those lower on the ladder wanted to emulate those higher up, to be considered “one of them”. Under “the matriarchy”, fashion flows in the opposite direction.

One doesn’t have to be very observant to recongnize the switch that has taken place in about two generations, and I think it neatly explains why pop-culture has turned into what previously would have been considered a raunchy freak-show carnival.

I don’t see it as a moral issue so much as having to do with larger social processes, the effect produced by a more fundamental cause. Matriarchies are by nature primitive/uncultured.

“…women showing their breasts and butts, is more women messing with men rather than the other way around. …Most of my daughter’s women friends are completely aware of the effect their sexuality has on men and they are not afraid of it and not ashamed to use it! They do not feel shame…”
– from the mother of a 20 year-old (on AlterNet.org)

Ok, how about a little shame, instead of the Barbie Mantra (“girls can do anything!”?

reclaff: “…why men need to exert self-control in the presence of a woman – they have STRONG SEX DRIVES.”

The only reason men need to exert self-control is because of the consequences which will ensue for not doing so. In other words, men internalize the social controls on them. And this largely works. It is a “drive” but it’s not involuntary, in spite of much female thinking that it is. Feminists have been complaining for decades now about how such controls on women amount to “oppression”, and have largely been successful in making these controls entirely optional, up to the individual woman’s choice.

I also think the reason women have upped the flesh ante is because men have seriously backed off from them, and this is their only response because they don’t see the big picture and the long term view, despite what it so frequently claimed on women’s behalf in these areas. Whay have men backed off? Because of all the serious consequences which can befall them for responding as a woman might want. I’m referring to charges of sex harassment, date rape, paternity, and all the rest. These are huge social consequences which only men have to deal with, and they’re enforced by the power of the state. Women deal with no such consequences. The more men use their heads, the more women think with their c*nts.

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“The loudest, most strident voices calling women weak, stupid, and incapable of competing in the world at large are the feminists.” – zed the zen priest

10-08-2006 01:30 PM

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