hatred of women


hatred of women
Spuddy

Unfortunately I got to this board a little after the fact, but I’m sure someone is still out there reading this. Anyway, I was hardly offended by the editorial. It was just plain silly. I could pull 15 different studies out of my ass that would support just about anything I want, just as Mr. Noer has. The fact of the matter is generalizations are dangerous and almost always prove to be null. I don’t care how many years of schooling you have had or how articulate you may be. If you fail to realize that simple fact, you are a moron. I can sit here and nit pick every fallacy and question every piece of data presented by this editorial and those who have posted their comments, but that would just be arbitrary and a waste of time. If you have even a half of a brain you would be able to find them out for yourself.

But nonetheless, the thing that drove me to signing up for this message board and posting is the pure hatred for women I see here. I’m not talking about the man who is simply asking questions are offering criticisms of feminism. There are some men who post just plain malicious comments toward women, who truly hate women regardless if a woman is labeled a feminist or not (and just because a woman is on here pointing out the stupidity of the editorial it does not make her a feminist, but that’s a whole different subject). Why do you hate women so much?

01-06-2007 09:56 AM

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Re: hatred of women
leeraconteur

Spuddy wrote:
Unfortunately I got to this board a little after the fact, but I’m sure someone is still out there reading this. Anyway, I was hardly offended by the editorial. It was just plain silly. I could pull 15 different studies out of my ass that would support just about anything I want, just as Mr. Noer has. The fact of the matter is generalizations are dangerous and almost always prove to be null. I don’t care how many years of schooling you have had or how articulate you may be. If you fail to realize that simple fact, you are a moron. I can sit here and nit pick every fallacy and question every piece of data presented by this editorial and those who have posted their comments, but that would just be arbitrary and a waste of time. If you have even a half of a brain you would be able to find them out for yourself.

But nonetheless, the thing that drove me to signing up for this message board and posting is the pure hatred for women I see here. I’m not talking about the man who is simply asking questions are offering criticisms of feminism. There are some men who post just plain malicious comments toward women, who truly hate women regardless if a woman is labeled a feminist or not (and just because a woman is on here pointing out the stupidity of the editorial it does not make her a feminist, but that’s a whole different subject). Why do you hate women so much?

Re: Hatred of Men

There have been woman posting malicious comments toward men, who truly hate men regardless if a man is labeled a masculist or not. They have been doing this for years, and have sold millions of books while doing so. These women are referred to as Feminists.

Like this post on CL this week:

pers-259009700@craigslist.org wrote:

Kill the male children for 10 years
Reply to: pers-259009700@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-01-07, 12:15PM PST

Killing off all male children for the next ten years would lower our crime rate and eliminate most wars. Males cause most of the crime in the world and start ALL of the wars. Killing off those testosterone filled psychos for ten years will enable the world to get some breathing room and hopefully solve our real problems.

Too many males is our problem.

Look at the insane worship of male children in china and india. Those two nations alone produce far more males than females leading to an imbalance in the population. China has a one child limit. Imagine how many female babies are killed each year until the young parents finally get the male child they so adore. So sickening. Your little bundle of male joy will just consume and kill and breed until his death.

Notice no one posts what you have with the sexes reversed. Why do women get a free ride and men are always held accountable? No one calls this poster on the carpet for their obvious hatred of men.

How about some of these quotes from the Feminists who founded the modern 2nd wave in the sixties and seventies:

http://wiki.mensactivism.org/index.php/Radical_Feminist_Quotes

“To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” — Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto

“I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.” — Robin Morgan

“All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore’s Presidential Campaign.)

“Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do.” — Popular Feminist Graffiti.

“As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women…he can sexually molest his daughters… THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE.” — Marilyn French (her emphasis).

Seems clear that what a few men have picked up on is the rampant hatred these women, and many who agree with them, have for men.

Hate bounces.

Message Edited by leeraconteur on 01-09-200705:52 AM

01-09-2007 05:49 AM

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Re: hatred of women
Lirisokatoh

I’d much rather direct my anger towards those particular vicious and heartless women than become just like them, accusing every other woman of sharing their views.

When someone says “All men are rapists”, they make themselves look like sexist paranoid crazies. The same goes for when someone says “All women must be willing to be labeled as lesbians if they are true feminists” or “Feminists control most of the major religions”.

I know **bleep** well that not all men are pigs. Not all women are bitches, either. If you have a problem with what someone says or does, stick it to them. Not everyone else who happens to be standing near them at the time.

01-09-2007 10:42 AM

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Re: hatred of women
Halladay

Spuddy wrote:

“But nonetheless, the thing that drove me to signing up for this message board and posting is the pure hatred for women I see here”

Not really.

What drove you to the message board was the fact that some men don’t have to find women dressed up in power suits and shoulder pads as desirable.

What drove you to the message board is the fact you can’t stand to see men express their own wants and desires when it comes to women and relationships.

What drove you to the message board is the fact that the first amendment is all fine and dandy to you until it runs counter to what you’ve been trained to believe from the mainstream press.

What drove you to the message board is that .. whether you yourself are male or female.. you have a kneejerk reaction to a man’s criticism of women but seem to overlook with a blind eye any criticism women aim at men.

And finally… there would be no message board for you to post on if some feminists had their way from the very beginning of Noer’s article.

01-09-2007 02:53 PM

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Re: hatred of women
CosTas

There are some men who post just plain malicious comments toward women, who truly hate women regardless if a woman is labeled a feminist or not (and just because a woman is on here pointing out the stupidity of the editorial it does not make her a feminist, but that’s a whole different subject). Why do you hate women so much?

Hi there,

Can I just suggest (sorry, my English is not as good as yours), that your post – “Stupidity of the editorial” – simply shows your lack of understanding of the controversies of the argument under discussion let alone your intolerance towards any other view that differs from the party line imposed on the mainstream society by the feminist propaganda machine.

Michael Noer offered a discussion (How he dares!) and we just took the offer.

On the other hand, the simple fact of the matter is that very few men hate women (I am not talking of pathology cases) but in fact men are programmed and heavily socialized (talking about brainwashed) in so many ways to help them and protect them.

Some of them got so severely punished for their generous acts in the past that after they crawled out of their misery they decided to give a word of warning to the younger ones. Hence the debate…

The simple fact that you are sitting in your nice and safe home typing on the computer is because hundreds and hundreds of men had done a very good job to build your home, invent your computer, make and service your car, come and collect your garbage at 6 am, clean up your shit and on and on.

Womyn who keep ranting about men being evil and unnecessary (as Leraconteur cites above) would better remind themselves that the only thing holding this culture together is masculine men. The working class men. Remember Katrina? when those brave and stuck-up on their azses “feminists” suddenly lost their nice, well-lit nd safe offices and were now begging on the streets on New Orleans for the blue-collar how they call them – “brute, stupid, smelly” “testosterone filled psychos” see above – they despised so much – plumbers, roofers, builders, electricians, cops, truck drivers…

When some of those men finally start speaking up, you call them “women haters”. Hence the debate…

01-10-2007 01:20 AM

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Re: hatred of women
Lirisokatoh

I’m sure more than a few men found themselves calling for help during Katrina as well. There are also female cops, truck drivers, computer techs and so on. Men do a very important job of holding this country together, but they’re not the only ones.

Not all women want to punish men. Some women are just plain bitches, and really ought to be asked to stop speaking for the rest of us.

As for the original editorial that brought me here, I disagree with the author. It does make some points that a man should take into account when searching for a mate, but the title of “Don’t Marry a Career Woman” seems more like advice based on the author’s personal preference. If a man does not mind the challenge or wants a woman who can honestly relate to his difficulties at work, or if he even wants to be a Stay At Home Hubby for a change, then he may very well be quite happy with a ‘Career Woman’.

Lets not forget, a career for a woman does not necessarily mean she will be working more hours or making more money than her spouse. A vet or a nurse, for example.

Perhaps the couple could even go into business together! Owning a restaurant can be a very challenging career, and it requires a wide array of social and economic skills. Where one spouse lacks, the other can compensate.

01-10-2007 11:56 AM

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Re: hatred of women
CosTas

I’m sure more than a few men found themselves calling for help during Katrina as well. There are also female cops, truck drivers, computer techs and so on. Men do a very important job of holding this country together, but they’re not the only ones.

Those men were not feminists who despise and denigrate other men calling to “kill them off” or “eliminate the male race”, or make millions out of publishing nonsensical crap sort of “Are men necessary?” etc. Please read more carefully.

My line of argument is that our culture as well as all our post-modern technological civilization has become possible because of capitalist economy and patriarchal societal structure (both are male-based models). I am not saying they are 100% good (look at the state of the environment) but do you know of any alternative??

Capitalism (created by men) made feminism possible. Now feminists are despising and backlashing men (mind you it’s only possible in the US! Go and try it in Russia or China))

It’s just that these very men are doing their job so well and so assiduously (in holding the society’s technological infrastructure together) that women somehow forgot who they owe their safety and well-being and got into thinking Well, Men are not necessary, we can do without them, hahaha.”

All I am saying it takes only ONE natural disaster like Katrina for those feminists to start sinking deep down into their own shit and suddenly begin screaming and yelling for the strong masculine men with tools and machines to come and rescue their office azses..

01-10-2007 08:53 PM

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Re: hatred of women
CosTas

As for the original editorial that brought me here, I disagree with the author.

Fine, but main point in the original editorial is that (career) women are still desperate to marry up (as now as they always have been in the past) whilst at the same time are never happy with whatever you give them:

“If a host of studies are to be believed, marrying these women is asking for trouble. If they quit their jobs and stay home with the kids, they will be unhappy ( Journal of Marriage and Family, 2003). They will be unhappy if they make more money than you do ( Social Forces, 2006)”.

So why marry somebody who, regardless of the situation you create for them, is likely to be unhappy and by default make you so as well? Why not avoid them altogether? Good point.

01-10-2007 09:03 PM

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Re: hatred of women
Lirisokatoh

Those men were not feminists who despise and denigrate other men calling to “kill them off” or “eliminate the male race”, or make millions out of publishing nonsensical crap sort of “Are men necessary?” etc. Please read more carefully.

I did read carefully. I also said:

Not all women want to punish men. Some women are just plain bitches, and really ought to be asked to stop speaking for the rest of us.

I don’t agree that all men are horrible. I think men are great. And yes, they were resposible for a number of great things we now enjoy. And I don’t mean to come off as sounding like a ‘Princess’, but most of those things were meant for the enjoyment of the entire species, not just to make women happy. I certainly owe the men who founded this country a great debt of gratitude, which is why I pay taxes and obey laws and treat people with respect.

I’m sure there are alternatives to our society, but I believe if we just try to improve on what we have, ours will be better than the others by far.

“If a host of studies are to be believed, marrying these women is asking for trouble. If they quit their jobs and stay home with the kids, they will be unhappy ( Journal of Marriage and Family, 2003). They will be unhappy if they make more money than you do ( Social Forces, 2006)”.

I also said:

Lets not forget, a career for a woman does not necissarily mean she will be working more hours or making more money than her spouse. A vet or a nurse, for example.

Even though those are challenging careers, it is still easy for a husband to make more money than either of them. With the wife’s supplemental income, they can afford to put their children in a good daycare that can get them primed for school and give them a head start. They can also put a bundle away for family vacations or unexpected emergencies. I may also point out that some women may prefer to make more money than you.

So why marry somebody who, regardless of the situation you create for them, is likely to be unhappy and hby default make you so as well? Why not avoid them altogether? Good point.

And finally, not all women with an eye on college and a good paying office job are the same. Some will cheat, some won’t. Some will be happy, some won’t. Some will want to marry, some won’t. If you don’t want to run the risk, of course, it’s your preference. But some women are actually capable of being happy just because they are doing what they always wanted to do with their lives.

01-11-2007 12:44 PM

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Re: hatred of women
CosTas

You have raised a number of good points there yet some definitely need much more clarification, particularly from a male’s perspective.

Even though those are challenging careers, it is still easy for a husband to make more money than either of them.

You know why? As a rule, women AVOID certain jobs that pay good bucks but also involve getting their hands real dirty, let alone putting their life on the line. Statistics-wise, 93% of the people who are killed at work in the US are men.

Of the 25 professions that the Jobs Rated Almanac rates as the worse professions, 24 have in common the fact that they constitute 85% or more males (welders, roofers, etc).

Working on high-paying jobs often means getting killed. I am talking about people who work in such “vital” professions as building, coal-mining, fire fighting (nearly 100% of the firefighters and police officers who gave their lives at the WorldTradeCenter were also men), etc. Every day, you read in the news about somebody getting killed in construction, lumberjack, welding, or other “Death Profession” industry. Nearly ALL of them would be men.

And this is not because women cannot do those jobs. Most women can but, in practical terms, no-one applies.

However, if you go to a library, social-welfare office or hospital, you’ll see they are swamped with women (in my office, the ration is 15 women to 2 men). Even though women know full well from the start that library work won’t pay anywhere near as mining or welding they would rather to work in a nice, safe, happy-hour office with tea breaks and chit-chat (and lower pay of course). Which makes the statistics look like women in general are UNDERpayed compared to men. In fact, they CHOSE to be paid less in the first place by applying to work in an office rather than coal-mine. Hence “it is still easy for a husband to make more money than either of them” (your quote). .

Considering what I said above, there’s nothing surprising here…

I also wonder why the affirmative action does not require women to share equally in those Death professions. Don’t you find there some food for thought about what modern feminism is all about???? 😉

With the wife’s supplemental income, they can afford to put their children in a good daycare that can get them primed for school and give them a head start. They can also put a bundle away for family vacations or unexpected emergencies

You would be surprised, but as I said earlier on this blog, I support the ideals of the early feminist movement about women’s assertiveness and self-realization through meaningful jobs and careers. Great!

However, there’s no denying most of those ideals and now dead and buried by the years of backlash against men by the radical feminism propaganda machines and male-discrimination policies. From a purely male’s perspective, I can tell you that if you are going on a date with a girl never tell her that you might like in the future to a take a break from your career to become a stay-at-home dad, unless you want don’t want another date. The indirect questions she’ll be asking you will be mostly about your earning potential and therefore how you could help her to dump her meaningless and/or low-paid job in McDonald’s to become a full-time mom.

I may also point out that some women may prefer to make more money than you.

Where are those women??? I may also point out that those women will be very very few indeed (and deeply romantic by nature) while most of them would want the man to bring home the biggest lump of the bacon. When I was a Uni student, I saw heaps of guys would date any girl they found nice and easy-going whilst girls wouldn’t date unless they saw their dates as potentially strong bread-winners. It becomes even much worse later in life.

And finally, not all women with an eye on college and a good paying office job are the same.

Of course, they are not. But, as statistics clearly demonstrate, they are more likely to cause trouble (i.e. divorce and financial crucifixion of their men), than women with more traditional, conservative values that are rather family- than career- orientated. And that’s what Michael Noer was talking about.

01-12-2007 02:51 AM

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Re: hatred of women
khankrumthebulg

Well I thought we ran off all the Feminists. This is the type of reasoned dialog that I requested some time ago, and it never happened. What Women who focus on career fail to realize is that they are the Sellers in the Romance Game. And Men are the buyers. Looking at it from a Comparative Advantage standpoint. Men don’t Marry what they already have. They marry what they don’t have.

Hence as a CEO of my own company making mid six figures, I don’t want a driven Woman who is a mirror image of myself. I want a sweet, pleasant, feminine companion. I am 50, look 35 and could have most any Woman I wanted. After my first marriage that ended in Divorce. I married a Woman who could not have any more children.

Women are not coming to the table with a Term Sheet with a decent or equitable offer. Ask Sir Paul McCartney if he got a good deal, Or Michael Jordan who may lose 90% of his fortune. And prenups? They are routinely voided by Judges if children are a factor in the equation. If Women are asking for unreasonable terms, Men not buying is simply an indicator of the deal being offered. Ladies you screwed the Pooch. You got what your Radical FemNag Sisters have advocated. Are you now happy?

01-13-2007 05:07 PM

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Re: hatred of women
hk998

I agree with you

Spuddy wrote:
The fact of the matter is generalizations are dangerous and almost always prove to be null.

04-08-2007 01:02 PM

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